How come Italian firearms have such a good reputation when everything else they manufacture is known for being terrible quality?
>>64984798Pasta and firearms predate modern cuckoldry.
Post "the second disagreement" nobody would sell materials to Italy so everything was scavenged.Try making cool things out of your neighbours dumpster.
>>64984798Whatever turdie, this is an Italian gun thread now
>>64984798I'm French and the only country that I respect is Italy. I love them they have good taste, too bad they are turning into an islamic republic just like France
>>64984798Lots of experience
why are those wops and guineas doing a hostile take over of ruger?
>>64984798>Mama mia, dats a spicy meat balla!Why you gotta talk shit a
>>64984798I was just talking about Beretta today at the gun shop I work at. They do guns like they do pasta.
>>64984798Because the Mob demands Berfection.
>>64984798>when everything else they manufacture is known for being terrible quality?Italy has the highest amount of luxury brands on the planet, the very word "gucci" comes from Italy being the place where high end shit is made. Nobody has ever taken "Italian = terrible quality" as a general sentiment.
>>64984798>everything Italians make is trashReally, dumbass?
>>64984947>beretta is largest minority shareholder in Ruger>Ruger’s P&L has underperformed bigly over the past 24 months and share prices reflect it. >Beretta says, “your governance is crap with some oooold fuckers who have been on the board over 30 years and don’t know shit, they just collect a board member stipend every quarter, we would like a seat, maybe we can help a little”>ruger screams hostile takeoverTo be fair, Beretta are pretty stellar owners. They basically go “we like your company, can we buy you? You get access to our capital and network, and we think you’re a good company so we want you to keep doing what you’re doing”. They own Holland & Holland on the down low. They own Sako, Tikka, Benelli, Ubwrti, Chapuis, Manurhin, Stoeger, Steiner, Burris, among others.
>>64984798It has to do with what they find interesting or cool vs what they think is lame. Italian inter-city trains? Garbage. Frecciarosso high-speed train? Clean, maintained, on-time, well staffed. Fiat daily driver econoboxes? Garbage. Ferraris are some of the best performing and engineers cars on earth. They’re like this post society that has kind of done it all, so they really like what they like and suffer the rest. You’ll see a world class almost futuristic industrial facility across the street from a thatched roof cottage with an old lady shoeing chickens off her porch. If they don’t care, it’s crap, wheras the japanese offering is still solid. If they do care, the offering makes most other things look kinda crap.
>>64985089Gucci comes from a literal company called Gucci.
>>64985221where's Gucci from, anon
>>64985096>finally roll out a car that is quick in a legal way>get gapped by Toto's Mercedes bullshit enginesIts only delusional until it works
>>64984798beretta= okbenelli, bendini, rizini= goodsabatti = norinco tiertangfolgio: looks good from outside, heavy toolmarks inside, very ammo sensitive, flimsy spaghetti tuned crap for the pricechiappa= zero nada qc, its a 50/50 chance to get a broken gun ootb or notcarcano= everybody is shitting on them for good reasonthe repro bp revolvers are all ok, mostly.they make good shotguns, and the beretta 92 is a good longslide p38 with a double stack magbut fuck no they cant build proper rifles, modern revolvers or pistols.they have zero own constructionsits all a tuned copy or kitbash
>>64985089eehm no.italy is known for making shiny things, yes.but not for making innovative quality things that last.but a fiat in the rain and see what happens.ever been to mezzogiorno? southern italy is literally a 3rd world country.and now to the winner of the ugliest car in the world award, see picrel
>>64985253Italy literally inaugurated modern racing with brands like Ferrari, Lamborghini and Alpha Romeo, just because there's a low end side to that industry doesn't mean the extreme high end isn't significant.
>>64985244>but fuck no they cant build proper rifles, modern revolvers or pistols.>never shot an AR-70/90
>>64985096F1 died many years ago,it's as much a sport as pro wrestling.Get better than Ferrari and watch the rules change.
>>64985266racing is for the dumbest of the dumbbe f1 or daytonathey cant even write their own nameshamilton is a nigger btw.
>>64984798They've been making firearms pretty much ever since the damn things were invented, and they haven't fallen for consumerist market-chasing bullshit like the Americans have.
>>64984798>when everything else they manufacture is known for being terrible quality?Says who? We are the second biggest industrial manufacturer of Europe after Germany, a third of European high end medical industry machines are Italian, we have a monopoly in sub milliliter poisodrop machines. Our cars are sexy and unironically more efficient and better engineered than german ones, our food is better than most and has an incredible diversity, our women are sexy and feisty but will still clean up your dick after a blowjob. >>64985244>sabatti = norinco tier>chiappa= zero nada qc, its a 50/50 chance to get a broken gun ootb or not>carcano= everybody is shitting on them for good reasonUtter retardation. You're either a salty turk or a noguns who learned from reddit memes. Kill yourself and ask your ancestors for forgiveness. >tangfolgio: looks good from outside, heavy toolmarks inside, very ammo sensitive, flimsy spaghetti tuned crap for the priceThis one is particularly hilarious considering there is not a single other brand in the world with an higher Grandmaster to gun ratio in the world of competitive shooting, with tanfos easily shooting 60k rounds with little to no issues beside replacing the consumeables. >>64985253>but a fiat in the rain and see what happens.Nothing happens, I drive my fiat in the alps with deep snow and rocky glacy roads and it goes strong, because it's an actual offroad car, unlike a ford f150 that breaks down on an highway due to made in china valves.
>>64985526pastanigger, you do not own guns, you are a nogunz kiddie shitposter.what i wrote is my experience, i've owned and sold (because of shitty performance) many shitalian guns.the beretta is the only one ive kept because it actually works properly with every ammo. because ITS MADE TO US ARMY SPECS AND NOT SHITALIAN PASTA MEASURES.go to the austrians or germans if you want the real stuff that always works
>>64984798Pretty much everything italy has produced for the last few centuries has been hot garbage, and whenever anyone talks about their stuff all they say is "its italian" as a positive. They are aura merchants coasting on the reputation of rome and the italian rennaissance, other than these 2 things which took place forever ago, they are utter shit
>>64985526for you, a fiat is a car.for every one else, its a go-cart.
>>64985253>MultiplaIts suprisingly great ride though, but yeah, ugly as sin
I'm getting tired of these pointless dick measuring threads and blatant trolling at this hour of the day.
>>64984798Well, the largest one has Satan's logo as it's brand soooo.
>>64985390you dont even follow F1. Last time Ferrari won constructors championship was 2008. Drivers champ 2007. 19 years ago.
>>64985564>pastanigger, you do not own guns, you are a nogunz kiddie shitposter.Anon, I own more guns than you. You're just shitposting with someone elses picture. Nobody who has owned a Tanfoglio, a Beretta or a Pardini ever complained about their reliability or quality. A Beretta APX is still miles better than anything ever produced in the US, but it doesn't matter as the firearm of choice for americans is another european pistol, a glock.>ITS MADE TO US ARMY SPECS AND NOT SHITALIANCase in point, you don't even know jack shit about firearms. Us europeans are buying your firearm brands left and right because you just keep running them into the ground due to sheer incompetence. Look at Remington, Colt, Winchester, Federal, CCI, Speer, Dan Wesson, Burris, now Ruger and the list will just grow.
>>64985778nope, the picture stealing spaghetti faggot who plunders family pic threads is you. shitalian gun laws wont allow you to own half of the guns in that pic and prohibit you from owning the calibers of the other half.pathetic. just patheticor can you rearrange "your" guns and make another pic?
>>64985778Never mind him, anon. He has deep seated perceptions and he doesn’t know why. In other words, an NPC. I bought a BRX-1 for fun and to hunt with last October. It’s outrageously accurate and high quality. It’s now my go-to deer gun.
>>64985221Gucci is Italian for Italy.
>>64984798Italy has this weird mix of craftsmanship culture and fuck it that'll do attitudes. Meaning that their low volume limited production run stuff they tend to give a lot of care and attention resulting in goods that seem like they were designed for use by the Gods themselves, while all their high quantity production meant for the masses they don't really give a shit about it so they just churn out any old slop.
>>64985821of corse the brx-1 is a nice gun.since its a Blaser copy.
I liked my turbo fiat, but it was maintenance heavy, I like my moto guzzi but it needs more care than my honda when it comes to de-winterizing it. Thats basically Italian machinery, if you take care of it, it will take care of you but they become almost vindictive if you subject them to neglect. Compare this to german equipment that is made specifically to perform correctly through the span of the warranty period or bri'ish who have made incompetence an art form. Anyway OP is a faggot so here's another italian gun
>>64985821>>64985844Beretta did a huge recall on brx-1s in 2022. not much heard of it since then. does anybody know what the issue was?
>>64985816I'm not taking all my guns out just to entertain a retard, choose 1 from them and I'll take a timestamped pic.
>>64985816Choose within the hour as I'm goin out to fish soon.
>>64985583I haven't watched F1 since the winner of the procession of advertising hoardings became decided in court after the race.F* that S*.
>>64985873>>64985881are you a bostoner larping as shitalian?
>>64984934I thought French and Italians have an ongoing rivalry and dislike each other.Like French and Germans.And French and Britains.Why do you Frenchmen create such an animosity towards yourselves?
>>64984798>everything else they manufacture is known for being terrible quality?citation neededi like the pasta bros
>>64985889No, "italian-americans" are just americans. Can you please now choose a gun for me to timestamp so you can fuck off? >>64985896It's more common for terroni to dislike France. But it's just the usual "we terroni have nothing to be proud of historically, therefore we'll cope by hating somebody"
>>64985896Because France was the strongest nation at the end of the middle ages, they had their own rennaisance by robbing Italy, they built Versailles, had a revolution and then almost took over Europe, lost but then built a huge colonial empire only to lose that empire and then they secretly rebuilt the empire, tangled with the Soviet Union and spat in the US's eye at the same time. Up until Chirac began the process of robbing and polluting France (which Macron continues to this day) the country had an eerie ability to suffer massive disasters and then suddenly regain their relevance. At this rate they'll probably abandon the Church, adopt Islam and the rag heads will suddenly decide that theyre better than the rest of the Islamic world (by virture of being able to speak parisian french), conquer it and then lord it over the rest of Europe until the Christians come back and slaughter them in turn. >tl;dr the French arent built better, theyre just built different
>>64985896France is traditionally for the French. "Europe" has royally destroyed national identity and the kick back is growing. A European war will happen soon and it may be a racial one.
>>64985253>and now to the winner of the ugliest car in the world award, see picrel
>>64985940>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OWzfhhEGboBest family car in the world.
>>64985844>hurrrrr it’s a straight pull, it must be a blaser copy!completely different bolt and locking mechanism, trigger group not integrated into the magazine.Makes me wonder if you think a 700 action is the same as a mauser action. >>64985869I don’t know. Mine is a recent gun
>>649859401000hp. LS or something.
>>64985924The only thing french are built is rancid and cannibalistic and their women are whores with a feral instinctive impulse to burn coal and end their own race
>>64985567>Pretty much everything italy has produced for the last few centuries has been hot garbageThe strategic bombing doctrine is Italian.
>italy makes clear their intention not to intervene in iran >cletus screeches impotently Lmao
>>64986027Pics or she never existed.
>>64986027So you got cheated on by a french broad, get over it
>>64986065Did you not see recent news? They are now at the "o-okay we will intervene, b-but not for the war!" stage. Next stage they will completely cuck out and send in a ship to be bombed
>>64986101The orange guy and Israel went to war.Go at it guys just don't expect us to fight it for you.Expect a 4000% tariff to turn up.
>>64985096So you don't know shit about F1.
>>64986143Italy and the rest of Europe already went from saying they won't get involved to saying they would get a ship in but only "after". Italy will end up being forced to because as high as gas prices are in the US they mean nothing compared to the gas prices now in Europe.
>>64986216The Schmacher era made F1 a sunday snooze. The only people interested are those that need to be seen to be interested and those that make money from them.
>>64986227>2.15 euro/lt of diesel from 1.9>makes it sound like the end of the worldnigger the average fill here increased of like 5 euros at best, and for big tanks. we won't fucking deploy for that.
>>64985253>>64985574>>64985940I was in Italy Spring of2004 and saw lots of these. They were definitely the most memorable of all the common cars that everyday people owned and drove (I'm not counting fancy Ferraris for example). I saw a lot of them that were used at taxis actually.>>64985952Thanks for posting this, I always wanted to know what the inside was like. I had no idea they were that interesting overall. The guy in the video is so enthusiastic and has so much fun, I admit I thought he was kind of cringy at the beginning but his attitude won me over. Now I understand why so many were used as taxis, you can fit a huge amount of people in there for the size.
>>64985778I even posted an outdated picture. fuck me. Looks like the other guy didn't want a timestamped picture tho.
>>64985778shit bait desu
>>64985897Make your own at home, very easy and comes out way better.
>>64986903Just because you don't want to hear it, it doesn't mean it's bait.
>>64986968And where did that pasta machine come from? Oh right it was Italy
>>64985896Boy, you frenchmen sure are a contentious bunch!
>>64984798>when everything else they manufacture is known for being terrible quality like what?
>>64986083They aren't feisty, or romantic or any of that.WHORES.H-O-R-SWHORES.An they's that way because their mothers was WHORES berfore 'em and being mothers also made 'em bitches so now you got a whore permanently pissed off at the phantom bitch in her head she will eventually resemble.
>>64987437Why would I use a pasta machine? I'm not disabled.
>>64984798Soul and passion is NOT terrible quality.>t. Coping classic Italian sportscar owner (no, it doesn't run)
>>64987903Monsieur, you just made an enemy for life!
>>649864783 fucking dragunovs?!
>>64985816The shitty flag of Anti-Americans, traitors (and, of course, supreme losers)
>>64988166>italian sports car (looks cool but doesn’t run)>italian firearm (looks cool but can’t hit shit)>italian fashion (looks cool but cant walk in it)Sovl. Can’t get more kino than that.
>>64990869You don't own any of those
you're a stupid fucking spamming faggot KYS
>>64990869>looks cool but can't hit shitmy dude, i give you pastagarand
>>64993864An old dude at my local range had the version for paras with the folding stock and its accuracy was always on par with a real Garand. It's even more reliable according to some anons on /brg/
>>64985089Industrial goods from Italy have a very different reputation than their clothes. They are genneral thought of as fragile. And not designed with service in mind. Though thats the standard now in the car industry anyway.
>>64994083>fake and gay"old dude at the local range" is 100% bullshit.
>>64994120i will say something that will probably shock you, half of the things made in germany have (and always had) italian components
>>64985390F1 lost it's way when they started worrying about the cars getting too fast, should have just redesigned the tracks with bigger run-offs and let them find the limit of engineering.
>>64986001Ironically that's a frog that made this. Again as a frog I love Italy. All the ships we make together are bangers
>>64985099>Dividend stock doesn't have exponential short term growth, just makes profits by making money >Oy gevalt you're under capitalized I don't want the one not shit European gun conglomerate to fuck with the one not shit US gun manufacturer. It is a terrible optics position for Beretta who is batting 0 if we're being honest on the consumer market. >Don't modernize the CX4, kill it and rip off some Czechshit brace pistol but fuck up every part of it>Make shit browning tilt barrel after failing to support the px4, which to this day doesn't have a factory 30 rounder and never had an optics cut >Never made the mxr1 tactical good or even imported it as a non hunting rifle in any numbers for people to buy them >ARX a piece of nerfgun shit >Beretta pico and nano unmitigatable garbage worse than any Saturday night special Meanwhile Ruger has consistently managed to not suck ass while also starting/capitalizing on every major trend like pistol carbines, the entire subcompact market shift, etc. the only thing they need to do is put a normal bcg in their AR15s and excise that last bit of bill Ruger cuckery from their company.
>>64994264Anon, you're just a noguns thirdie having a meltdown over Italy. Post a gun you own (timestamped)
>>64994321I... know? It is a standing joke among the CNC service technicians that the only change the moters that are made south of the Alps
>>64984798For the same reasons Turkish firearms are utter shit but their cuisine is top notch.
>>64985099Beretta buying Sako/Tikka literally saved them from bankrupcy.
>>64985099Ruger is doing fine, and are doing better than they did under Bill.
>>64994385>and excise that last bit of bill Ruger cuckery from their company.What's left of that?
>>64985778>You're just shitposting with someone elses picture.projection
>>64990723Reminder that the stars and bars flew over shuri castle before the stars and stripes. Nobody's fault that you have the least aesthetic flag on the planet.
>>64988110Whores de combat
>>64995115I even asked him to choose a gun from those and I would post it timestamped but he ran away. I assure you I'm not the projecting noguns ITT.
>>64995041Past couple of years have been rough for them. Their P&L went from like 50 million positive operating income to negative 20 million in 2 years. Operationally that’s a really bad sign.
>>64995560It's probably because they decided to start charging a premium for their mid-tier revolvers and people don't want to buy them at that price. I definitely feel like I overpaid on my SP101 and I was able to trade in some junk from my gun safe to bring the price down. This thing should've been like $400-500 instead of $700+
>>64995339Glock: Italy finally accepts Austrias superiority. Thank you.
>>64985253>italy is known for making shiny things, yes.>but not for making innovative quality things that last.that's germany, their cars are basically what you just described
>>64997218The APX is sligthly better imho but I've already bought too many glock magazines.
>>64995015How come they were going under? I've been planning to buy a Tikka since I heard it's a good starter gun.
>>64997670Government fuckery post merger with Valmet in 86.
>>64997298IMO the APX feels like garbagePity since I wanted to like it
>>64997789>APX feels like garbageIn what way?
>>64984798>everything else they manufacture is known for being terrible qualityWhat the fuck exactly?
Italian manufactoring does not have a terrible reputation. They have specced around mid size firms in the last 30 years or so though so they have a lot of small specialized artisanal production over industrial giants. Handarm production is a great example of this.
>>64997975they are like europes mexicocheap basics and laquered bright colored shiny things like fiat or ferraribut dont ask for a gear box that lasts or proper anti rust coating something like a jap or german car will never come out of there.a good example is the complete absenze of a proper domestic offroader from italythey actually managed to win a rally championship the usual italian way with a 2wd: dirty winning. bending every rule, blackmailing the other teams and throwing non stop bullshit objections at the race jury. italy as a country is quite a potemkin village.
>>64997958Mushier trigger than a Glock and the shape just doesn't agree with my hand at allI like the Px4 a lot though, but it's too expensive for what it is
>>65000255>proper domestic offroader from italyPlenty of those, The civilian market buys these.
>>64985089There is some merit to it though. A brief history: Til 25 years ago or so italy was booming with SMBs.Like family owned, small number of total employees per business but a shitload of them. And these people were artisans. Like experienced in what they do, skilled and so forth. Anything from pumps to sewing machines were well made and affordable.So the quality was great and italy could make it on the export side as they could devalue their currency the lira against the other european currencies.Enter the germans and the euro. Now you have italy basically subject to the same monetary rules as the germans. And it was sold as this great thing. Italy and their inflation trick meant debt was really expensive. High interest rates turned into cheap debt as Italy can now finance anything at the cheaper unified euro rates.But this came at a price. The destruction of italy's SMB manufacturing. Now italy couldn't compete against the german efficient businesses that were larger and better equipped. Exports dried up, shops closed. But the brand names remained even though hard earned family busieness reputations went down the drink as manufacturing moved across the alps.
>>64984798They've always been good at making weapons. Italians are famous for slaughtering and conquering, they remain the greatest Empire to ever exist. They've been making guns for 400 years too, they've had a lot of time to figure things out.
>>65000269Don't bother, you're arguing with a noguns jeet trying to farm (you)s so that he can buy his daily ration of cow dung.
>>65000291It's more correct to say that SMBs were prevalent due to Italy's geography that didn't allow for large industrial operations to be born. I remember my father being talking about when he was in Italy as a senior foreign advisor for Italy's civilian nuclear program and he always repeated how shocked he was that in a "big" nation like Italy, the places where a nuclear plant could be built ,before you even factor in public approval, just merely as a geographical suitability, could be counted on one hand. Either you had mountains, or more mountains, or more rocky terrain or massive aquifers.
>>65000302>>65000302Southern Italians are an arab people, they are not Romans and they are not Europeans. They are simply mudslime slaves that the Romans imported for menial farm labor 2000 years ago.A sicilian looking like it's alien kindred in Syria is about as surprising as your asshole smelling like shit.
>>64984798I have had the same question for a long time. Italian machinery has long been synonymous with unreliable horseshit, except for guns. The more time I spend with Italian guns the more I think that the 92 is doing the heavy lifting there. I think they genuinely struck gold with that design, and no other Berettas come.close.to the performance or reliability. No, not the Px4 or the APX, you're wrong. The rest are just boutique guns sold at a high price to the kind of guys who like buying Beretta hats and puffer jackets, the same sad old male menopausal queens who would wear a Porsche hat if they were car guys
>>65000302The United States is the greatest empire to ever exist and it’s not close. We have territory all over the globe and bases everywhere.
>>65002836go kneel to your nigger gods you pathetic mutt lol
italian weapons are always kitbashes because italy its way to corrupt snd lazy to invent. they mostly upgrade or adjust something to their needs the Germans\Austrans\Anglos made.carcano: en bloc mag mannlicher/steyr m88/90, bolt/action/stock early mauser 1981beretta m92: walther p38 bm59/.308 garand: garandm346: alpha jet and so on
>>65002840Lampedusa status?
>>65002653>Italian machinery has long been synonymous with unreliable horseshitExcept that's bullshit. Pun intended
>>65002653>>65003426>>65003439Post a timestamped gun you own or fuck off with your trolling. I understand that being born indian is incredibly sad, but you can't pointlessly lash out like this.
>>65003781You're just egging them on by replying. Success always breeds jealously and nothing will ever change that.
>>65003788For sure, If /k/ had flags this thread wouldn't even exist. The barbarians would be too embarassed by their own flags to even post.
>>64984798Not everything else
>>65004150we have to go back
>>65003788God I wish Fabarm’s stuff was more common stateside.
>>65004192Fabarms are tanks, but also really fine. (better trigger on a basic bitch fabarm than a remington bolt action) The issue is with market positioning. Fabarm stuff is routinely placed as a mid tier proposition here in Europe that can punch way above its pricepoint. Were you to import into the US the price would immediately double and go into semiauto territory. Americans wouldn't even buy them as we see the average american doesn't have a good judgement as they will pass on a PERFECTLY FINE maverick 88 or moss 500 for 100-500$ but will instead purchase a shitty turkshit potmetal shotty for the same price that will instead break after not even a box of ammo.
>>65004150I was waiting for someone to post the Delta S4.>be Lancia>always have Abarth do the heavy lifting >cheat your way through homologation >build homologation cars as shitty as possible, cuz fuck 'em>037 does okay against quattro, but see writing on the wall>tell abarth to do it again, but this time remind them that you genuinely don't want your drivers to live >delta S4>decide roll cages are for pussies, so you should build them as worthless as possible, just like on the 037 >decide fire safety is also for pussies, so fuel tanks need to be as thin as physically possible and you need to place them directly under the drivers>fire extinguishers were too heavy, so obviously they need to be installed empty>car literally shakes itself apart and you have to rebuild the car after each rally>engine fine-tuned to disintegrate at the end of each rally, sometimes a little earier>cabin always unbearably hot from engine >composite floorboard constantly cracking causing the accelerator to get stuck>rear bumper delete because you didn't know the car was going to go off-road>realize the empty fire extinguisher bottles have a purpose, but fill them with NOS and conveniently forget to peel off the fire extinguisher stickers>an absolute difficult monster to drive>have your best and most experienced driver crash and literally blow up on the rally>be the actual deciding factor to kill group b
>>65002563>t.
>>64998091I'm still impressed by the Fiat Lingotto factory in Turin.>factory in the middle of a city>assembly line actually goes up through the floors>car completed on top floor>test track on roof
will i get bullied in michigan
>>64985096>posts a fucking ferrari out of all the possible cars
>>65004729>>65004766>>>/pol/ is that way, noguns.
>>64984934>Frenchman loves the brown country of EuropeImagine my shock. The fact there's a single white Frenchman left after your century of African canoodling escapes me.
You hate the Italians because of 20th century memes.I hate the Italians because they are singlehandedly responsible for East Africa imploding.
>>64985564bad b8, your own Beretta is an Italian designed and manufactured gun.
>>65004729Will I get bullied in Glascow
>>65004432That's cool as fuck.
>>64984798>such a good reputation when everything elseItalian here and I'll try to summarize it, but I'm being not accurate for most of the cases: extremely lazy genius.This is probably something about Italian mindset due to our lifestyle and various habits of our country, but it is not uncommon for us to be keen for something very specific and not overly high tech: firearms, exotic cars and motorbikes are a good example, sports and arts others, while we aren't good with stuff for example electronics and software. The "extremely lazy" part starts with being constant in things we make, because there you need disciplined group effort with moral attitude that people like the Germans or Japanese have while we simply don't.This reflects on everything, from the stuff we make to the governments, but that's how we are. I really like to think that Italians are both their best allies and worst enemies of themselves, given the occasion: as another example we really like to sit back on our laurels once we make something good: Beretta took DECADES to make a decent polymer pistol after proudly introducing stuff that PEOPLE NEVER ASKED FOR like the PX4 and the 90Two and failing spectacularly, instead of make a good quality Glock clone admitting the Austrians got it right. Same with the recent NARP (gas piston AR), they had to make that ugly plastic abortion of the ARX160 instead of doing what everyone was doing (or, at least, doing like HK) and make things right from the start instead of thinking they knew better with that plastic shit.
>>65005258post the other 2% mohammed
>>64984798Dude they make the best metal injection machines that are revolutizing car manufacuring
>>64985526Dont go to the Stalantis ecodiesal forums.
>>64984798What is really terrible quality? Their cars are cool and as far as supercars go they aren't all pretty delicate anyway. Lambos these days are more reliable than Mc.Larens or Rolls Royces...Even their cheap car for poor people the FIAT is becoming relatively reliable. This Fiat 500s from decades ago still zoom around. Vespas are very reliable. You have many of them with 60 years of constant use still going around today. Food standards are near Nazi level, they even have a dedicated food police to go after anyone fucking around in the food industry. The Italian M346 plane is probably the best trainer plane on the market. Maybe their tanks aren't very good but they never were in combat so who knows. Their ships are considered good and the US navy uses some Italian made ship parts for their vessels. No idea about their subs.Clothes are top notch for quality of course. For machinery Italy is also not bad. They even make the giga presses for Tesla factories.
>>65006628you have to be 18 to post here
>>64985253Picking FIAT multipla amongst all the Italian car brands to say italian cars are shit is like picking the ZIP 22 gun to say Americans can't make guns. But at least the multipla did its job as EU compliant fuel efficient stupid looking box car, for some reasons Italian taxis used that thing for a decade, I rode in one once it was very comfy I must admit, its like a drivable couch.
>>65005228>your ownhe stole that picture
>>65006644Not an argument, thirdie.
>>64984798>anti italian threads ramped up when Italy donated stuff to ukraine>anti italian threads ramp up again after Italy refuses to send ships to the Hormuz straitHuh...
>>65005859>for us to be keen for something very specific and not overly high techritardato, il nostro export più importante dopo i marchi di lusso/cibo è proprio la componentistica high tech. 70% dei macchinari di precisioni, sensori etc che la Germania usa li produciamo noi.
>>64984798long traition of fire firearms since the 1600s , search for bescian flintlock, you get this in regions that were rich in Iron ore, coat deposits and water power in that era and this is their legacy, same with English fine shotguns, , soligen,the ruhr, bruno/cz etc etc.
>>65007208>bescian flintlockA Magnificent Pair Of Brescian Flintlock Holster PistolsBy Pietro Manani, Circa 1660-70
>>65007212ramrod tips
>>64985896>>65005155Do you not recognise oblast-posting when you see it?
>>65007240nta but you are correct
>>65007192I said OVERLY high tech, maledetto mongoloide che non sei altro, for example top end chip manufacture like Taiwan or USA. I know that we had stuff like ST Micro and good research centers and whatever but we'll never manage to get even at China level for sure.
>>65007439>for example top end chip manufactureQuello è unicamente Taiwan, in quanto tutti gli altri sono fermi a 2-3 generazioni passate o quantità da POC. Ed il tutto è un'industria completamente differente dall'High end machining/manufacturing. Terrone bastardo. Viva il DUCE.
>>65007208>bescian flintlock, you get this in regions that were rich in Iron ore,There are plenty of iron/coal/etc ore rich regions in the south, but 95% of all firearm brands (both historical and current) in Italy come from the Brescia. Firearm manufacturing has been only a northen italian thing.
>>64994384Hope youns can make a nuclear carrier together. Would be absolutely cool
>>65005859>Never give px4 factory optics cut or develop factory suppressor adaptor for rotating barrel or make magazine above 17 rounds >Scuttle it and make worthless Glock clone also without those things >Isn't even compatible mag-wise with their replacement for the CX4, that absolute piece of shit cloned bracecuck pistol they stole from the czechs but made with a safety selector that goes the wrong direction and can cut through the glove you need to not get your hand slashed open Italians being their own worst enemies continues with your suggestion anything Beretta has done in the last 5 years wasn't a massive fuckup that's pushing them out of the h&k and fn conversation and into being worse than Ruger at making budget wondernines.
>>64985253Multipla is unironically a misunderstood design masterpiece. Only NPCs fail to like its originality, habitability and welcoming/friendly shape.
