How would a modern day Vietnam War look like?
>>64985959your anti-western memes feel extremely contrived
Grenades are more important in the jungle where you can't see shit and contact is always close, kind of like urban
>>64985959But its common knowledge 5.56 is deflected by greenery.
UBGLs fucking suck and make 2 good platforms into one shitty combo.
>>64985959The americans will win every engagement and lose by political meddling.
>>64985959Considering I have a bunch of cheap textiles that say "Made in Vietnam", my elderly parents had a lovely two week river cruise there recently, and I can fuck my way through a dozen teenaged Vietnamese girls for fifty bucks I'd say we won in the long run. Keep being brown and poor!
>>64986116My god do they age horribly, keep having them at lower age limits
>>64985959They expect you to use that expensive body armour.
Imagine believing this retarded propaganda. vietnamese conscript still uses ak47, and carries 1 hand grenade maybe, let alone underbarrel
>>64985959>vietnamese infantryThe same good old soviet "oldfags reign" style discipline.>www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzS3b3aCj4>www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhYNoEKLVZQ>inb4 muh age restrictedNot my problem, find a way to watch them urself
>>64986102Unlike the historical war, where the US was soundly defeated plenty of times.
>>64985959NO FIGHTING PLS, just have sex
>>64986457Did you know that the NVA and Vietcong at first considered Tet to be a massive strategic blunder? It was only later they deemed it a success as it fueled the perception among Americans that the war was going badly and Cronkite added fiel to the flames. Vietnam was for America and the world a perfect example where you could win almost every military engagement but still lose the war at home due to politics.
>>64986503>Vietnam was for America and the world a perfect example where you could win almost every military engagement but still lose the war at home due to politics.Duh? War is politics by other means, always has been. It's always been extremely easy to squander hard won military gains with political fuckery. That's why Congress is supposed to have the deciding role in declaring war, it's not just some aspirational moral bullshit, but a very important practical reality that it's critical to have the public onboard, and to make sure that whichever President wants war can clearly describe what he's after and how he intends to do it and win over at least a mildly skeptical and independent audience. That's not a huge lift, but it's valuable, just like in the private space. Being forced to present your project proposal is very healthy, even to a pretty friendly obvious, because it makes you think things through and get organized.
>>64985959I have no idea how effective grenade spamming is irl, but holy shit does that look fun.
>>64986541>a very important practical realityJust the opposite. If you want a state to get anything done you need a dictatorship. The primary effect of democracy is to not let anything happen.
>>64985959Fuck off, BrownClown.Take your faggy shit back to /pol/
>>64987223the past hundred years of human history has been dictatorships getting continuously raped and annihilated because they're easy prey
Wouldn't happen because the last time Vietnam fought the US China immediately tried to clap their cheeks afterwards, which has permanently soured Vietnam's opinion of China and retroactively put them on America's team.
>>64987223Dictatorships only function if the dictator is competent and surrounded by competent people. The problem with them is that people don't get to pick their dictator, and the person who usually occupies that position is often a fucking retard who disposes of everyone intelligent when they say "don't do that."America could have a 200 IQ god king with a 200 IQ heir, and it would STILL be a bad idea, because there's no guarantee that his grandkid won't be an inbred drooler that kills tens of millions of people and squanders what he was entrusted with. If we kill tens of millions of people amd squander our nation, I'd like at least the illusion that my choice mattered there.
>>64985959Fucking awful for Vietnam. While the PAVN was a modern and experienced fighting force back then, it has made nearly zero technological, doctrinal, or institutional advancement since the end of the Indochina wars. In comparison, US advancements in recon/surveillance technology, guided munitions, and SEAD since 1973 have basically rendered North Vietnamese/NLF means of asymmetric resistance obsolete. The US would not be able to invade Vietnam now because it lacks the political capital to invade a country they have been at peace with for no strategic interests. However, if the militaries of today were transplanted into 1963-73, the NLF and DRV would have gotten absolutely raped by the US and an RVN equipped with modern tech. >>64985990>standalones fucking suck and make 1 good platform into a shitty combo of 2People said this when we switched away from the M203 to the M320. They also said the opposite when we dropped the M79. Grass is greener. >>64986325>conscript still uses ak47Unironically better according to uncensored reports by soldiers. The STV series of rifles is notorious for shitty QC and reliability, and Vietnamese soldiers don't even get issued optics and are trained on regular AK irons so those two improvements of the platform are diminished in relevance. Intentionally downgrading the Galil Ace to make it worse instead of retraining your soldiers was a retarded idea to begin with anyway.
Dropping 80,000 marines into Vietnam is just a tuesday for Vietnam these days, the Vietnamese prefer Americans and USD over Chinks and Maobux
Do they still get support from the former-USSR countries along with China, North Korea and Cambodia and Loas? And Sweden's moral support?Will the US still have the same engagement restrictions where everything is focused on South Vietnam?If so it would be funny. Neo-Johnson will cower in fear of the Estonian-Chinese alliance.>>64987379>In comparison, US advancements in recon/surveillance technology, guided munitions, and SEAD since 1973 have basically rendered North Vietnamese/NLF means of asymmetric resistance obsolete.So you're saying that the US would never lose to a protracted insurgency?
>>64987501Yeah but then that means France gets a first go and the US doesn't control French nukes.
>>64987379> made nearly zero technological, doctrinal, or institutional advancement since the end of the Indochina warsThis is definitely not true given that Vietnam is focused on advancing their domestic military production capabilities and the've made some of the biggest strides in EW and ECM given that they've managed to create their own C5ISR, called the VQ-2M. Which is a feat not even the most military in the region, Singapore, has accomplished. So Vietnam is progressing well, the reason why people might their development as slow is due to the small military budget, which is a given considering that Vietnam's economy is still small and developing.Other than that, Vietnam has also made progress in munitions and fuel production while breaking grounds on a facility dedicated for military R&D.
>>64987501Boris Johnson is President
>>64987788Yeah you’re totally not a /pol/tard cum-/chug/-ger.
>>64987788What's your opinion on TZD?
America won militarily in Vietnam. They forced the North Vietnamese to the negotiating tables and we promised South Vietnam that if the North attempted to invade again we would help them with men and supplies, but then a democrat was elected and when the Communists started the second war the Democrats chose to do nothing.
>>64985959 Vietnam is more likely to have to fight china in war then America. BTW Vietnam kicked china's sorry ass twice when they tried invading.
>>64987823>but then a democrat was elected and when the Communists started the second war the Democrats chose to do nothing.is this bait?
>Chased out the french>Chased out the americans>Overthrew pol pot>Chased out the chinese>Prospered economically after achieving their political goalsand yet 50 years later and there's still retards who will say "erhm we basically won anyways"
>>64985959Burgers are ironically better equipped for jungle fighting than the Namies.
>>64987994bait used to be subtle
>>64987913>Facts are bait
>>64988168Whatever you say Your Chudliness
>>64985959>Everything more sophisticated than a CD Player in the entire country of Vietnam gets deleted in first 48 hours>Entire leadership blown into chunks and distributed evenly across the landscape in first 72 hours>All Vietnamese Infantry units napalmed, cluster bombed, tungsten rain'd or otherwise meat cubed from orbit, no resistance whatsoever within first 96 hours>10 years of slowly starving everyone in the country to death while everyone in the West sits back and watches it on TV and bitches about it on social mediaSame as every other modern day war with the US.
>>64987913That’s very much what happened. Vietnam ended with republicans and two years later the senate was democratic and refused to agree to uphold the South Vietnam treaty previously signed. The north was getting like 10% of their USSRs GDP in weapons and munitions when they re-started the invasion of the South. South Vietnam didn’t even lose on the battlefield, they ran out of ammo because the democratic Congress refused to even send ammo to them. Though they probably would have lost just slower with ammo shipments at least.
this baffles me, why do thirdies give everyone grenade launchers? no it is not only vietnam but every thirdie nation with atleast somewhat stable army.i assume westoids engage at max and thirdies engage at grenade range?
>>64989950not my problem
>>64987974Your people are worked to death in factories run by foreigners.
>>64987974Why's that “skull” so small? That's not the top of a mans head that's like a babies skull.
>>64987346>people don't get to pick their dictator,People choosing their rulers doesn't seem to be a very good or great method of selection either, though. Especially now where every one self-psyops themselves with social media.
>>64991910Because third worlders lie about literally everything
can't we all just be friends
Vietnamese really are the best people on earth outside of fellow Americans.
>>64987522Vietnam's C5ISR capabilities are a joke, no matter how many times over the past two years you've tried to puff up this fourth world shit hole on /k/, Vietshill
>>64985959Vietnam still maintains old soviet doctrine where the infantryman is basically just expendable and easily replaced
>>64993212NTA, but i just wanted to say that i just love people like you.You offer only criticism and no soluționa.Tell us what is your ideal politicale system if you are so smart buddy...
>>64986455>>64994548congrats on catching up to the 1990s PLA I guess?
>>64994555I am sorry I pointed out a very weak point of democratic politics—they they are only as good as the voting population is wise. I will never do it again. I know that when you criticize something or reveal a weakness you have to immediately offer up a perfect and infallible replacement and I forgot that.I would probably first suggest extremely limiting the franchise.
>>64994555>the "let's see you try to do better then!" fallacyare you fucking 13 years old or what?
>>64989495>no resistance whatsoever within first 96 hours How's that going in Iran right now?
>>64985959Based gooks, nades fuck.
>number of concurrent guided aircraft: hundredsLol, lmao even. Another typical thirdie overinflated specs. How do we even know it's true or even functional at all when your SEA brown shithole total active jets in service barely matches the size of a CVN air group - and that's already counting in the trainers and other early Cold War Soviet junks, for all we know, they might not even be airworthy at all? And sure as hell no one will ever volunteer to be the guinea pig to field test your hastily made caveman trashes assembled by a 50 cents per hour sweatshop worker at all. The chink've already taken over the russoid thirdie gear market. At least chinkbug specs look at least half believable in comparison.>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_People%27s_Air_Force>So Vietnam is progressing well, the reason why people might see their development as slow is due to the small military budget, which is a given considering that Vietnam's economy is still small and developing.Neither a valid nor logical argument, my SEA brown ricecel shill friend. Many brown Muzzie shitholes have progressed much further than that. Heck, for all the laughs at Iran, they've managed a fairly decently run ballistic missile and nuclear program, despite all the sanctions.But the VCP took its lessons well from Pidor, you brown ricecels learned it well from the trad Poccia in how to embezzle your budget in the most effective way.>www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/vietnam-cracks-down-on-coast-guard-oil-smuggling-ring-07122022023018.htmlNow get back to your ricecel commissar handler and try coming up with better shill materials next time, ricecel shill.And hoe chi min can suck my unwiped anus :^)
>>64996939Weird, quote somehow disappear. Anyway, meant for >>64987522
>>64989495>And then POTUS awoke from his senior nap, shit dripping down his leg as his confused rage was vented on social media>>64989946That's not what happened at all, South Vietnam collapsed very quickly trying to pull off a difficult strategic retreat that turned into chaos.
>>64991910It's the back, you can see where the spine connects.>>64994548VNA doctrine is born from experience fighting China and Cambodia. So lots of domestic production and a focus on infantry.>>64996939I hate that you get good posts sometimes on /k/ that's immediately swamped by bullshit like this because it hurt someone's feelings. There needs to be more quality control on this board.
>>64996939Replies like these are why I don't even bother to make threads or interact anymore./k/ used to be such a passionate community and now it's just filled with emotional-reply slop because someone wants to shitpost or just got butt hurt when their point didn't land>>64997185> I hate that you get good posts sometimes on /k/ that's immediately swamped by bullshit like thisGlad someone is on the same page as me
>>64997185>>64997366>not even trying to hide the blatant samefaggingWhy don't you reply to all your previous posts to agree with them, that will be even more convincing. You dirty, fucking Vietnamese faggot
>>64996939Vietshills are some of the most retarded posters on this board next to Indians and Malaysians/Indonesians. Their shtick is entirely dependent on the assumption that the rest of the world doesn't have access to the internet and can cross-check each of their brazen claims of superiority over their neighbors
>>64997543I'm not the same poster retard and stop shitting up the board faggot>>64997556> brazen claims of superiority over their neighborsUh how? The guy made claims about Vietnam's military bumming around, then he got corrected and was shown a picrel of what they're working on along with how the progress compares to their peers.Viet posters are more comparable to South Korea or Turkish posters where they hype their progress to a degree. Meanwhile, Malaysian and Indonesian posters over here are talking about defeating China and taking over Australia
>>64985959Vietnam would just lose again, no daddy ussr to back them up this time.
>>64987346>Dictatorships only function if the dictator is competent and surrounded by competent people.Very obviously not true.
>>64997366It hasn't been any good for close to 10 years now anon. Time to let it go
>>65000322>>65000332>>65000370You beaucoup dinky dau
>>65000370>refers to Vietnam in third person to give the impression of being a neutral foreigner>while posting in diacritics (which most non-Viets wouldn't bother with) and posting pictures from obscure VN military boards (which no one other than Viets give a shit about)Its like you Vietcunts aren't even trying to hide your astroturfing, even jeets are less obvious than this
>>65000734Lmao you destroyed that guy
>>64985990This, just fuck my zero up senpai.
>>64987522>>65000370>>65000734>Đổi MớiLol,either you're unironically a government shill,or a white monkey on their payroll.Doesn’t matter to me either way.The VCP hasn't been getting even a drop of tax from my income nor my expenses for at least the last 3 years.But to be specific.The 1986 reform had to happen cause the VCP were seeing the writings on the wall.The Soviets were on their last leg and over a decade of Soviet-style centralized economy, along with countless retarded policies resulted in hyperinflation and poverty.vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%89_th%E1%BB%8B_Z.30vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90%E1%BB%95i_ti%E1%BB%81n_t%E1%BA%A1i_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam,_1985This is Hanoi even looked like in late 80s,literally African-tier mud huts. www.(zogberg).com/reel/1138650767851341www.(zogberg).com/reel/919560963609387Do you honestly think the barely literate party top brass wanted anything to do with the west out of the kindness from their own heart?Go get a real job instead of leeching off society like this, Vietnam doesn’t have a shortage of lowly-qualified,even in teaching english,white monkeys getting upward of 2000 bucks a month with while local highly qualified English teachers struggle to make over 1500.The white prejudice is still highly prevalent in China and Vietnam,despite most of the foreigners there definitely being bottom-of-the-barrel unqualified subhumans unsuitable for nearly everything,other than their pinko skin color.>unironically citing Viettel yep,worked there as a fresh graduate embedded monkey,and I can tell you one thing, nearly every project there was for the high-ranking military brats to siphon off the budget for their privately owned firms.What civil employees like me got is long working hours with zero extra pay and uncompetitive wages(somewhat high for a newly graduated) and no chance of ever complaining of any mistreatment,cause you obviously can't sue the military.Anyone that's half competent left as soon as possible
Pic rel is an Aussie faggot losing like a couple thousand per day for even trusting the VCP. Biggest kek I’ve ever had in a while
>US infantry>ArmyEveryone knows the real infantry are the marines and they are equipped with a hk416
>>64985959If the Vietnam war happened today, would Trump have a plan to get out of it?
>>64985959RPG isnt a bad idea for close range fire support and APC. You dont get to see MBT that often in modern war, and artillery and loiteringn munitions will only further limit their appearance.
>>65000951I wish I was being paid to argue with morons like you, but much like the janitors here who ban you if you don't dicksuck ameritards: I do it for free.I don't care how Hanoi looked. It isn't relevant to military discussion - your entire spergout here isn't (here is a photo of ho chi minh city anyways). https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Khu_trung_t%C3%A2m_th%C3%A0nh_ph%E1%BB%91_H%E1%BB%93_Ch%C3%AD_Minh%2C_nh%C3%ACn_t%E1%BB%AB_ph%C3%ADa_qu%E1%BA%ADn_2.JPG/1920px-Khu_trung_t%C3%A2m_th%C3%A0nh_ph%E1%BB%91_H%E1%BB%93_Ch%C3%AD_Minh%2C_nh%C3%ACn_t%E1%BB%AB_ph%C3%ADa_qu%E1%BA%ADn_2.JPG What is with your ESL too? You tried to say I was a viet but it seems like you might be. Stay mad that Ho Chi Minh won.On the American question: they would lose, even with their new loadouts. Their new loadouts are much heavier, have less ammo, and are purely born out of corruption.If they are not using NSGW weapons then they still lose because they already fought a war where they used 5.56 and generally the same squad structure, except now they'd have optics in less effective weapons (since they aren't using twenty inch barrels).In short: Amerisharts get cool flashy kills on singular PAVN soldiers just to have their entire squadrons decimated by grenades of various calibers.
>>65000951> worked there as a fresh graduate embedded monkey,and I can tell you one thing, nearly every project there was for the high-ranking military brats to siphon off the budget for their privately owned firmsReally? Are the products legitimate at least?It's not uncommon for large projects like this to have some sort of corruption issue. An example of this is the Fat Leonard scandal
Vietnam's military is more conservative which now means leaning to China-Russia. This is because US rhetoric about color revolution & regime change terrifies them.What did you think about that Vietnamese military leak, preparing for a second US invasion due to US-China rivalry? Much has changed in the past 12 years. 2014 was the worst year for China-Vietnam relations since normalization & those tensions sustained until 2022.But things changed since the anti-corruption campaign ensnared pro-US officials starting in 2023. Vietnam even brought in PLA troops to march in Ho Chi Minh City during their reunification parade last year.
>>65001033Kennedy put the US on the road to Vietnam so, I mean, in one way the US is already ahead in this scenario.>>65003701Thirdies are too crafty for the A/B bullshit of Cold War politics. Vietnam will be quite happy swinging between the US and China for gibs and backrubs without ever committing to anything.
>>65003701It was an inevitable trend anyways. China is right next to Vietnam so they're within China's sphere of influence.
>>64985959serious answer: on some deadass islands in the South China Sea, likely against China>>64986325>1 hand grenadewrong, 4 hand grenades!>>64987501>supporthope & prayer from motherfucking Cuba, and maybe some hidden bases in the jungle of Laos to retreat to>>65001704likely the general idea because i can imagine the PG-7M warhead going against anything less armoured than an actual tank, which include APCs, most IFVs, field fortifications or some wall,...>>64986609IRL it is more like suppressing fire to pin them down, then close up to finish them with nades
>>64997556i personally want VNshills to be as good as Turkshills>>64997599granted, there are also retarded VNshills who got too overconfident about VN's actual capabilitiesin regards to the thread question, the PAVN would be in the range of "not too good but not terrible", basically being a giant hornet nest against some randos;there are obviously multiple ways for some trail hikers to take out a hornet nest, but the risks & the costs involved would not be worth it
>>65003701the military "leak" is just tabloid bullshit anyway, the US has always been the default "bad guy" in VNmese military doctrine education & research, because really, America is just a too acceptable target to portray as a bad guy invading army (just count how many wars they started after 1973)the other option is using China as the hypothetical bad guy, which may hurt China's fragile ego and consider >>65005720, a lot of these influences are economy-related; China could just announce shutting down all trades with VN in respond to the "hurted feelings of the Chinese people"it is still convenient to use Amerimutt as the hypothetical enemy, since the PLA copied like 90% from the US military >>64996939 >>64994556, in case of a conflict with China there would only be a 10% difference to adapt to
>>64985990yep, better stick to only one>>64986609picrel, plus hand grenades>>64987981they better be equipped with all M79 for the jungle, since the M7 is a gun for firefights across Afghanistan mountains>>64989495false, the beating would be mostly done by 40mm grenades>>64996691based and true
>>65006893> there are also retarded VNshills who got too overconfident about VN's actual capabilitiesTrue, most of the overconfidence seems to stem around from how fast their military industrial complex is developing ever since they were cut off from Russia and Israel due to the wars.Vietnam's military is developing fast but it's not at a stable or large scale pace just yet. Most of their innovations are mainly from prototypes that are showing wha the military is capable of building rather than what its fielding.Vietnam should unironically take a page out of Turkey's, Algeria's, Egypt's, South Korea's, or Japan's military community where they're much more humble and realistic
>>65002181>calling anyone ESL>all while having a critically underwhelming reading comprehensionpoint out to me where I even claimed to be a native english speaker or a western?For all the ESL projection, you seem to be having great difficulty stringing a cohesive argument>I don't care how Hanoi looked.>Bragging about muh reform and modern day HCMC>Couldn't even post a functional linkAre you having a stroke with all that chimping in your post? Cause you aren't being coherent at all. Kinda weird to project your sperging out onto someone when your post is so poorly structured like that.>>but much like the janitors here who ban you if you don't dicksuck ameritards.Have you tried not thinking about sucking dicks for once? Not buying typical VCP shills implessive props doesn't have to mean that you are sucking off amerimutts.>Stay mad that Ho Chi Minh won.Meh, you are sounding more and more like a lefty pol troon. Just FYI, HCM was nothing more than a figurehead after the disastrous 1954 Land Reform, Duan and Tho were the ones in charge, recent sources show Ho even tried to establish contact with Diem, and that obviously didn't bode well with both the Chinese and Soviet.Diem was a retard, but at least he had a plan on how to keep the south intact.>>65002965>Really? Are the products legitimate at least?Not sure what you meant with that. That's like asking if a hypothetical Raytheon with its Board of Directors full of commissioned officers would ever engage in fentanyl smuggling.Just surveillance camera stuff from my time there.
>>64985959Vietnam is literally the most powerful military in the region
>>64987823>implying Nixon ever intended to uphold the face-saving "promise" he made to get the fuck out of Vietnam with it only looking like a partial defeat rather than a total defeatAlso>They forced the North Vietnamese to the negotiating tablesGiving someone everything they wanted under the table sure is some "forcing".
>>65010823Wow, projecting your own butthurt much?Also LMAO, first time I've witnessed an unironic Diem cope.
>>65010823> Not sure what you meant with that.Like if the radars, sensors, EW, etc function properly and they aren't just props
>>64996939> Neither a valid nor logical argument, my SEA brown ricecel shill friend. Many brown Muzzie shitholes have progressed much further than that. Heck, for all the laughs at IranAre you seriously retarded??Vietnam as an entire country has a GDP that's less than most states here in the US. Not only that, but they have to mainly budget their national funds to other sectors like health, education, business, and infrastructure considering that they're a developing nation. Compared that to Iran which had a GDP that was in the top 20 from the 1980s and was approaching the status of a developed country.Plus, Vietnam was considered to be a buyer of military equipment for most of its modern time and was similar to that of Algeria. They had very little experience in domestically manufacturing military arms and all their products were just ammo. It wasn't until the Russo-Ukrainian war occurred in 2021 where Vietnam was cut off from its largest arms supplier and had to take up the responsibility of making their own weapons. This was worsen in 2023 when the Israeli-Palestinian happened, which cut Vietnam off from all its suppliers.Saying that Iran and Vietnam are comparable in terms of arms production is a false equivalence fallacy. Iran had a functioning Military Industrial Complex since like the late 20th century meanwhile, Vietnam only began to focus on their in the last 5 or so yearsVietnam is more comparable of Rwanda's where their domestic military production began roughly around the same time
>>64996608Going pretty well, actually. There isn't any resistance, they're just bombing civillians and unarmed tanker ships. In no way are they a threat to our military operations and defending civillians is as easy as not being a brown living in the middle east, you absolute mongoloid.
>>64985959 Vietnam is more an ally of America than an enemy. Now seeing Vietnam wreck china again that would be funny as hell.
>>65011031You must not have been in many Vietshill threads in /k/. They're all like this
>>65002181>In short: Amerisharts get cool flashy kills on singular PAVN soldiers just to have their entire squadrons decimated by grenades of various calibers.Peach of a post. Your subhuman continent should be returned to its pre-80 state including removal of your access to the internet.
All you fucking idiots talking about invading Vietnam do know that they are our ally right? The US and it's allies gave them their entire modern navy and we are working with our allies to upgrade and arm them, They our friends morons, holy shit /k/ can be stupid sometimes.
I could never hurt a people that make something as good as banh mi
>>65015214yeah that's why I hate ICE why won't they think of the burritos we need burritos there aren't enough burritos
>>65010178>most of the overconfidence seems to stem around from how fast their military industrial complex is developing ever since they were cut off from Russia and Israel due to the warsthe overconfidence also come from the comparison to our subpar SEAmonkey neighbours (in both equipment & experience), instead of comparing to any decent militaries the likes of Turkey, Algeria or Pakistan, who both have a robust military industry & a comprehensive & holistic approach to military aside from the prototypes, VN does have an existing production chain for ammunitions and spare parts (for maintenance)coupled that with some old doctrine & collated experience from the time of VN war, Sino-VNmese war and Kampuchean war that readies us a bit more for a large scale war,and these 2 are the sole things we can boast accurately about
>>65017000Technically you can make submarines, you did it just to see if you could.
Some people posting here like the Special Persian Gulf Operation isn't... Well, you know. Going kinda Vietnam-esque.
>>65004303Wrong. Kennedy never wanted us to be there, whereas McNamara and Johnson were deep in the MIC pockets. Read more than 1 book, Anon.
>>65017367i'd say that the anti-ship missiles (VCM) are the more concrete & notable achievement, since it is both #1: being fielded in large scale & #2: a leap in engineering expertise, since it has 2 other variants based on the Kh-35 clone (unlike the S-125VT, which is still just a reversed engineered & improved version of the original S-125)
>>65017000some elaborations on the spare parts, small arms & ammunition production chains:>as you have heard recently, VN is "becoming a manufacturing hub", with some factories>whatever expertise, infrastructure, machines, capital,...that got invested here, could be re-hired by the VNmese military industry complex>having possessed such manufacturing capabilities, the VNmese MIC could at least produce all the simple but essential stuffs like ammo and spare partsthe next time you see a tank half a century old still rolling, its because we still produce enough spare parts for it(something we often rub in the face of indog posters is, they can't produce their own 5,56mm and the average TNI grunt doesn't tend to clean & grease his own gun)
>>65017615I would agree, the sub program is two 'Yono in a box' kits from the Norks and one they made themselves after they learned the basics. Those aren't very hard to make, Cuba did it.
>>65017704the whole submarine program in general is still progressing quite slowjust last year we had done the fiber-optic-something inertial navigation system to be used for underwater travelsseems like the newly made 3rd boat is still doing trials to find if there are any crack or a bolt loose in any nook & cranny of the boat>also, both Best Korean old Yugo boats have been modded for smaller 400mm torpedo tubes, for some reasons
>>65017826>>also, both Best Korean old Yugo boats have been modded for smaller 400mm torpedo tubes, for some reasonsMy guess is Sweden is going to sell you their lightweight torpedoes, they will double the capacity. Also the Worst Korean advisors on your Pohang-class corvettes are probably getting real sick and tired of having Nork torpedo tubes aimed at them when you use those subs for training exercises for some reason.There must be so many weird moments having both as friends:>VCM-01 development program>South Koreans trying to figure out how to put a SSM-700 engine into it>There is a Kumsong-3 and few Norks on the other side of the room
>>65017893>>65017826>weird momentsDon't forget all those war crimes the RoK did in Vietnam as well.
>>65017893>Swede torpsoh no no lol, i forgot to add that there are 400mm Soviet torpedoes (SET-40U) toofor what's worth, maybe these midget subs are really for deploying frogmen & intel gathering, so the shorter 406mm tubes can make more room for a floodable compartment or extra space for equipmentsand since its role doesnt entail attacking, the 400mm torps would be enough for self-defense
>>65017980>weird historical momentsthis is lesser known but the DPRK supported Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge with weapons in the VN-Kampuchean war tookinda awkward
>>65017993I think most subs can be modified to use any torpedo that fits. Those subs are designed to be multi purpose so i'm sure you can do whatever you want with them. I'm really curious about the domestic 75 ton one, that is pretty small even by tiny sub standards but i can't find a picture of it..
>>65018010Yeah but they felt bad about it, saved the Royal family and helped return them.
>>64987197Concession accepted
>>65018017closest i can give is thisnot sure if it was the TN-75 or the rebuilt Yugo>btw it is actually closer to 90 tons surfaced and over 110 (?) tons submerged
Infantry warfare is about how many drones you can supply on a daily basis
>>65019362There honestly is no way to know, the whole class all look the same and the size can be anywhere from 100-150 before it starts looking like something else. If i had to chose i'd say TN-75, it seems smaller than Irans which are a bit bigger. I think this is the yono unless it is misidentified, they really are the same thing more or less. Note: Everyone even experts get confused over something: Yugos are a specific class sold by Yugoslavia, Yonos are the Nork design they built by examining them. Seperate things.
>>65019485>>65019362also a Yugo/P-4 boat from another angle, before it was rebuilt
>>64985959I am going to be honest. The U.S. has relied on technology and quality as a crutch and has failed to refine its fighting doctrine.Grenades are something the U.S. soldier should have in abundance. Instead of the 130lb boyscout pack he should have grenades.>he needs foodNo, he need grenades and magazines>he needs a rope and a radio system and a flir markerNo. He needs more grenades and more magazines.We should make a shock troop squad formation built for throwing grenades and mowing down everything in front of them.Every third man should have a SAW and every non-SAW should be a grenadier.Tell me why this wouldn’t work.
>>65019850>>65019485>>65019362I've always wondered how many of these you could make, how cheaply and how quickly if you had a full sized assembly line.They are probably easier and cheaper to make than a modern tank since they have no big castings like the turret and use alot of off the shelf sensors. I'm just imagining a factory that rolls out a few dozen a day. Don't even use a naval yard since they can fit on rail cars, use a tractor factory and off the shelf parts. Fill them with old Tesla batteries and EV wheels for the drives, honda generators for charging, that sort of thing. The cost of loading it with modern torpedoes might actually be more expensive than the sub itself.>Dude your subs suck!>Bro, we have 5000 of them!>How the hell do you afford that?>We sell 250 a month for $2 million each! >Who the fuck is buying those?!!?>We didn't ask, cash only!Thanks for the pictures btw
>>65020244the image you imagined of these cheap boats are more in line with unmanned vehicles (UAV, USV, UGV, UUV,... any kind of drone) than a submarineoff the shelf it could be (i saw a Furuno screen in a photo inside that sub), it couldn't have been made with a standard as loose as OceanGate's Titan submersible, there are people inside and the midget submarine still need to make sure they stay safe(the P-4/Yugo & the TN-75 are reported to have a max design depth of 200 meters, and it dived down to ~160 meters in one test)
>>64986457Like which battles?
>>64985961In what way?
>>64986116based cope
>>64994556>Vietnamesers use a gun called the Steve 380
>>65025206>and his 2 younger brothers, Steve 215 and Steve 022>>64994556some designations are bullshit thoughthe VNmese-made RPG-7 is more often called B41 (the RPG-2 is called B40; before we got the M79, the B40/RPG-2 is the designated grenade launcher, using a HE round made from a frag grenade or a cluster bomblet)and the RPD is still called RPD
>>64987974>Bragging about child skull cupYou're very intent to prove that you're "Liberian cannibal cult" tier of civilized, huh ladyboy
fuck he's jumped treads
>>64985961Given that Vietnam is vaguely Western aligned or at least anti-Sino aggression, for which the Western purposes may find utility, this meme is vaguely Western adjacent and i hereby>X to doubtAlso M7 is stupid. Just make super charged intermediate cartridge and call it a day.
>>65017000>>65019927>>65032003What do you think of the idea of switching to bullpup rifles? I hope Vietnam one day standardizes to bull pup rifles given that they rely on under-barrel grenade launchers.Bull pup rifle shifts a portion of the weight near the user. This makes the rifle less heavy as there's less torque acting on the user. Simply put:Torque = distance (at a pivot) * ForceYou can feel the difference in torque when you straighten your arm out and hold a bag. Even though the bag is the same weight, holding it with your hand compared to with your shoulder feels different due to torque.Given that the traditional rifle is front heavy, attaching an under-barrel grenade launcher adds more to this effect and makes the rifle feel much heavier. A bull pup reliefs this issue by balancing the weight. The weight of the under-barrel grenade launcher is mitigated by the weight distribution of a bull pup rifle. It's possible that Vietnam is considering this option due to its benefits, but having fully pursued the choice due to its various downsides
>>65034335can't say for the Army, but the bullpup Tavor already got kicked down to militiamen>previously, only Marine Infantry (Hải quân đánh bộ) was equipped with the Tavor anywaypersonally i see a bullpup rifle as a niché weapon with difficulties in mass training
>>65034441forgot to say if a grunt started out training with an AK (which is usually the case), then he would have difficulties adjusting to a bullpupif he started training with a bullpup (like the militia men in photo) then its fair game
>>65034441on a 2nd thought, maybe the Tavors in pic are just for showthe other militia men are equipped with riot control gears, and there are only 2 guns in the whole photo
