What weapon did the IAF use to destroy Irans caspian fleet, and why weren’t enemy air defenses a problem?
>>64986906jdam or spice probablythey use those interchangeably
>>64986906>and why weren’t enemy air defenses a problem?Ronald Reagan
>>64986918Go on...
>>64986906Ships don't matter, but damaging a jet and lobbing missiles into apartment buildings is more important.
>>64986918>Ronald ReaganThey didn't sell SAM's to Iran during Regan presidency? Oh, they did, Israelis acted as intermediaries and it was funded by CIA smuggling cocaine to US with all kinds of cartel friends from central and south Americas. Give shit generation to develop and you have current cartels stirring shit all over the place. No one has done so much to flood US streets with drugs as Reagan admin.
>>64986906I thought Iran won by lightly damaging a f-35?
>>64988853And destroying the same aircraft carrier 100 times, capturing all the Delta Force and destroying all radars in the US arsenal
>>64986906iran basically can't do anything besides kill small numbers of civilians
>>64986906>Caspian Sea fleetFor what purpose?
>>64989450Fishing and trade with Russia. Possibly some undersea resources hidden down there, too.
>>64986906you forgot israel is using the azeris airports to launch missiles?
>>64989573>undersea resourcesThe Sargonid Hypercube (the last gateway to the Interdimensional Superfortress of Pz'Kii, now that the Orb is lost in the living charnel house of the sewers beneath Bakhmut) was stolen from the Neo-Babylonians by agents of the secret royal bloodline of Judah, so that the Achaemenids could defeat them. Cyrus the Great ended their exile, and the Jeconiad kept the Hypercube until it was looted by the Duke of Windsor's Nazi agents, before being handed over to Hitler in 1944 when the last defenders of the Cube were drawn away. He attempted to use a U-boat to enter Pz'Kii, but due to arcane background interference left over from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar, it was instead teleported into the Caspian Sea, where it lay until 2025 when a rogue Russian fishing trawler confused it for a underwater telecomms line and unearthed it with its anchor. Now it's a race against time as the Jeconiad agents within Israel attempts to divert the war effort to keep a cabal of Median shaman-sorcerers within the IRGC from attaining the Cube.
>>64989663I was thinking more like as-yet undiscovered oil reserves, but that too.
>>64986906>hitting all these empty vessels in portIs this supposed to be impressive? The 3rd world barely functional Iranian military has obviously decided to sacrifice their navy (none of these ships are screwed) and commit to a long war of shahed attrition.
>>64989740>Turned a fleet-in-being into a fleet-isn't-beingYep. Because scraping up a couple crews and sending out whatever's left in a month if it was ignored was still a threat.
>>64989740If Iran never needed their navy, why spend billions and decades of work building one. Especially when Iran had chronic hyperinflation even pre war
>>64989590Lmao this is real, people on this board were lamenting Irans crazed attacks on its friendly, innocent neighbor to the north.
>>64992729Better question is why not put all your naval resources into a submarine only force plus some patrol boats. Would have been a lot more survivable solution for them.
>>64996062>a lot more survivable>persian gulf max depth: 295 ft
>>64987049This is the first time I'm hearing the Iran-Contra affair involved drugs, isn't it just weapons for hostages? And of course the money of those buys going to fund the contras. Aren't you mixing the affairs?
>>64986918kekGreatest US president ever though
>>64996180they accidentally got it righthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5wfPlgKFh8
>>64996062The soviets for a time thought going full underseas capabilities would work when the inevitable fight with the imperialist scum happened, then Cuba happened, and it left little doubt that denying the seas doesn't equal holding them.
>>64986906Reportly, they took a trip to russia and got hit after returning
>>64996198wronghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastion_(naval)>The Soviet Navy originally attempted to directly contest with the navies of NATO for control of the blue-water ocean. As the Cold War progressed, however, it became clear that the Soviets could not win a toe-to-toe fight in the deep water, and the information sold to the Soviets by the Walker spy ring in the 1980s made it clear that the ballistic missile submarines, in particular, were very unlikely to be able to carry out their nuclear attack missions.>Realizing their vulnerability, the Soviets adopted a two-level approach. They armed their older, noisier, and less reliable "second generation" ballistic missile submarines with shorter-range nuclear weapons and deployed them as close as possible to the United States. Soviet submarine K-219, which suffered a catastrophic explosion and fire off Bermuda on 3 October 1986, was one such boat. Meanwhile, they used the information provided by Walker to build both dramatically improved attack boats such as the Akula-class submarine, as well as more-survivable "boomers" such as the Typhoon-class submarine armed with increasingly accurate and long-range missiles. Then they held those "third-generation" boats close to home, patrolling only near and under the Arctic ice cap. To secure the bastions, they also built large numbers of Sovremennyy- and Udaloy-class destroyers, whose primary mission was anti-submarine barrier and picket patrol; furthermore, the Soviet carrier-building projects were dedicated to defense of these bastions as well rather than independent strike groups, with Moskva-class limited to anti-submarine helicopters, Kiev-class carrying VTOL fighters as well as helicopters and a sizeable array of weapons (hence the designation "aircraft-carrying cruiser"), and, finally, Kuznetsov-class "heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser" fielding fixed-wing interceptors.
>>64986906>and why weren’t enemy air defenses a problem?Defense Missile interception is the ultimate scam and this war basically proved it for all sides.
>>64996225meanwhile in ukraine
>>64996220Yes, as I said the soviets had to change their naval doctrine, they started building and developing their surface capabilities, going from barely a few destroyers that couldn't reasonably carry operations far from their own shores, to several improved destroyer classes and even carrier capabilities. What exactly are you rebutting?
>>64996176>persian gulf max depth: 295 ftWouldn’t that still work to their benefit in that it would work against the big American SSNs to some degree? A smaller conventional sub might do better in shallower waters. If the Iranians are smart enough to enrich uranium then they should be smart enough to build an AIP system and build their version of a Gotland sub. Or buy a few more kilo class subs from the Russians rather than building all the other crap they had/have.>>64996198Denial might work just fine given their current circumstances.
>>64986906What ever they used, it seems to have worked just fine.
>>64989450They already blew up the drone carriers, so they had to find the next funniest thing to attack.
>>64989740Where the Iranians using their Caspian fleet as missile barges like the Russians do?If they are, then taking them out is fairly sensible as missile spam is Iran's main strategy so far.
>>64992729A navy is useful for many things in peace time, like customs enforcement and legal policing and power projection within territorial waters. It's also relevant in skirmishes with local forces. Doesn't mean they are of any use in a full out war against the US and Israel. Iran didn't need her navy to blockade the strait, so the navy was never relevant to this war in particular. There are a lot of lessons from vietnam and afghanistan coming back to haunt the US here
>>64997300>we didn't need that navylolthe point is anon, if you know they're going to get pancaked the moment a real war starts, you wouldn't be fucking stupid enough to waste that much money on them, the juice is not at all worth the squeeze.>coming back to haunt the US>iran wasting a bunch of it's budget on expensive naval assets it got to patrol a little in peacetime before instantly fucking losing them is a haunting lesson for the USsure anon.
>>64989663>Now it's a race against time as the Jeconiad agents within Israel attempts to divert the war effort to keep a cabal of Median shaman-sorcerers within the IRGC from attaining the Cube.Finally, a use for the Foreign Service Agent in Delta Green!
>>64986906>What weapon did the IAF use to destroy Irans caspian fleet,Basic Harpoons>and why weren’t enemy air defenses a problem?Jammed
>>64986906Does this mean Russia is now the dominant power in at least one sea?
>>64997228nohttps://x.com/manniefabian/status/2034631232898613492>The military says that the missile boats were targeted to cause a blow to the Iranian military, despite the fact that they do not pose a direct threat to Israel from the Caspian Sea.
>>64997921>filename is F15 drones>doesn't show F15 being droned, as a matter of fact doesn't show F15 being shot down at allwhy do brownoids keep spamming these videos?
>>64997572>the point is anon, if you know they're going to get pancaked the moment a real war starts, you wouldn't be fucking stupid enough to waste that much money on them, the juice is not at all worth the squeeze.I guess Iran thought that their ability to fuck the global economy if seriously attacked would prevent this from realistically happening. It's a shame they never expected a senile retard with a cult of personality to to gain full control of the US.
>>64998206>if we chimp out we wini personally think starting this war is a dumb bimbo moment from trump, but seriously, people acting like iran's chimping out is a genuinely good strategy are dumb>let's piss off absolutely everyone for no reason when they're not even involved in the conflictall this has done is not worked as a deterrent, but made everyone see iran as an even more unhinged threat that needs to be dealt with at some point or another.
>>64998205It's all they have. Please understand
>>64998215>all this has done is not worked as a deterrent, but made everyone see iran as an even more unhinged threat that needs to be dealt with at some point or another.The whole point of operation Epic Fury was permanently "dealing with them", it started with near total decapitation strike for fuck sakes. Their public deterrent of a decentralized command structure that would shut down global oil in the event of a decapitation strike was made to avoid the specific thing the US just did. We are past the point of things working as a deterrent when we trigger the fucking deterrent. We are in the destruction phase of their MAD doctrine because we thought they were bluffing... they weren't.
>>64998314>MAD doctrinethey are not in a position to enact MAD doctrineall they're doing is weakening their own future position and pissing literally everyone off, including their allies.the medium level economic damage they are able to inflict with this is not "MAD" it's simply the best they've got, and the best they've got also has the side effect of pissing everyone off and increasing the chance of future intervention by other parties.
>>64998383>the medium level economic damage they are able to inflict with this is not "MAD"You have no idea how bad this can get. We are coasting on very limited reserves and they have tools in their belt they have not used yet in the hpe we fuck off.>pissing everyone off and increasing the chance of future intervention by other parties.The only party pissing on Iran is the US and Israel who have been bombing them on the casual for years now. If that wasn't bad enough, they just did a fucking decapitation strike which to the people running the country is everything. We are here, at the end of the god damn rope. They are no longer worried about other parties or future interventions, as far as the Islamic Republic is concerned, this is "THE" intervention and either it ends here and now or the spice stops flowing.
>>64997908I think the Azerbaijanis might be able to contest them with their own frigates and patrol boats, but if the Turkmen and Kazakhs teamed-up, they could probably achieve dominance over the sea, as each has what the other lacks.
>>64987049fat lot those SAMs did them lol
>>64989450very antisemitic of you to ask. the IDF has an absolute right to exist, antisemite!
>>64997300Why would you need $200 million warships and submarines for “customs”Iran spent billions on a navy, clearly they thought they needed one
>>64997908>Does this mean Russia is now the dominant power in at least one sea?For now, I think. They have two frigates and ten corvettes, plus the usual stuff. At least half of those have been dinged up a bit by those cheeky cossacks but none have been sunk and most are believed to be back in service now.
>>64996187One of the worst in fact. You can thank him for the extreme disparity in income corporate america now enjoys
>>64998215>if we chimp out we winCorrect, if by chimping out you mean holding the global economy hostage potentially indefinitely at basically no cost to the iranian regime.>>64997572>sure anon.My man, the lesson you were supposed to learn is that all the military might in the world can't win a war if you don't have well defined realistic objectives and a clear path to how to obtain them. Regime change never happened, iran never had nuclear weapons to worry about, iran can still launch ballistic missiles without hindrance. Currently the only obtainable US objective in this war is opening up the strait for trade, a problem entirely caused by starting this war in the first place
>>65001376>at basically no cost to the iranian regime
>>65001384Getting bombed is free, and drones cost nothing. The US could bomb iran for five years and still not destroy even 20% of the combined civilian and military infrastructure in the country. Meanwhile the global economy is already on fire and the crisis as it stands now, assuming zero escalation, is already beyond the oil crisis under carter in the 70's
>>64998215>people acting like iran's chimping out is a genuinely good strategy are dumbIt's the best possible move they could make in their position, extending the pain globally so it can't be ignored
>>65001932Unlike vietnam, theres no way the iranians could support themselves if power plants and water factories where hit. If anything, the iran war would turn into another afganistan
>>65001932It's odd you use Vietnam as an example when, Tet said that had the USA stayed around for 3 more months, they would have surrendered. The reason was pressure at home. You're also assuming that the USA gives a fuck about the 'global economy' outside of its own interests.
>>64996187Reagan was a lying piece of shit.
