>dense canopy jungle >the arms factories were all in other nations and protected by nuclear weapons and large armies >other side of the world >a population willing to suffer catastrophic losses of life >strong domestic anti war sentiment >limited war to stop an ideology Please stop comparing Vietnam to every fucking conflict. Just stop. The factors were very unique.I mean this from a tactical and strategic standpoint this is not about politics.
>>64987637>Please stop comparing Vietnam to every fucking conflict. Just stop. The factors were very unique.The only difference between Vietnam and Iran is Trump knew how to get out of The Vietnam war
>>64987637>>dense canopy jungleIran is a mountainous fortress>>the arms factories were all in other nations and protected by nuclear weapons and large armiesRussia and China are providing intel and equipment to Iran>>other side of the worldThe distance between Iran and the United States varies depending on the specific locations, but is generally around 5,600 to 7,000 miles(9,000 to 11,000 km)>>a population willing to suffer catastrophic losses of lifeEvery Iranian soldier's dream is to get martyred and join his 72 virgins in heaven>>strong domestic anti war sentimentNo American wants to die for Trump or Israel.>>limited war to stop an ideologyNot even the US knows what are their objectives in this war.
>difficult terrain>the arms factories were all in other nations and protected by nuclear weapons and large armies>other side of the world>a population willing to suffer catastrophic losses of life>limited war to stop an ideologyPlease stop comparing Afghanistan to every fucking conflict. Just stop. The factors were very unique.I mean this from a tactical and strategic standpoint this is not about politics.
>>64987699difficult terrain is not canopy jungle, dense forests are the only geographic feature that nullifies air powerthe taliban were not in any way even remotely as well supplied as the vietcongthe taliban were not in any way willing to make the kinds of sacrifices from a manpower perspective as the vietcong. The taliban and al qaeda did hit and run guerilla tactics, they didn't suffer a 10-1 kill ratio and just keep throwing people at us.we were not stopping an ideology in afghanistan, we were dismantling terrorist organizations and going after osama
Vietnam KIA ratio 10 enemy to 1 US at best.This war 100 enemy KIA for every US minimum, could be up to 500.You're right, it's not the same conflict.
>>64987675>Iran is a mountainous fortressmoutains are not jungle>Russia and China are providing intel and equipment to Iranthen VC were literally given jets, modern AA missiles, endless small arms, even tanks and ships its not even close to russia and china right now>Every Iranian soldier's dream is to get martyred and join his 72 virgins in heaventhe iranians launched human wave attacks against Iraq, it will probably be a guerilla conflict>No American wants to die for Trump or Israel.there are "polls" but literally zero protests>Not even the US knows what are their objectives in this war.dismantle the iranian regime and stop them from obtaining anuke
>>64987714>we were not stopping an ideology in afghanistan, we were dismantling terrorist organizations and going after osamaWe were enabling boy fucking embezzlers to run Kabul while boy fucking warlords ran the rest of the country. Also, Vietnam was entirely about optics over actual results. "Ideology" was just the easiest product to sell to the public for support
>>64987714And yet the result in Afghanistan was even worse, at least South Vietnam didn't fall literally instantly
>>64987750Zoomers who were either not born or 5 when 911 happened don’t remember the early stages of the war. All you saw were the late stages when it morphed into being about democracy and the Taliban >911 happened>USA demanded the Taliban hand over Osama and cease supporting Al Qaeda>they didn’t and we invaded It was never actually about removing the Taliban. It was never this war of vengeance that it looked like towards the end. Had the Taliban just handed over Osama and stopped harboring terrorists we never would’ve invaded or tried to remove them from power.
>>64987637if vietnam so strong why they not conquer SEA?
>>64987767I do have to remind myself that the preteen faggots currently rampaging online were born ~2010, then to factor in the fact they're probably from some impoverished shithole.
>>64987767UBL was a guest to Mullah Omar, under Pashtunwallah giving him over to the US would effectively end his right to call himself Mullah. He asked for definitive proof of involvement in 9/11 so he could have legitimate cause under Pashtunwallah to expel UBL and they never gave it to him
>>64987775They beat the tar out of China, for what it’s worth.
>>64987637Only clean loss by America. It's what they've got.
>>64987656Lol>>64987675This Iran engagement is already less popular than Vietnam was at the start, which is probably due to the powers that be speed running the manufacturing consent phase of the operation
>>64987786I believe they also just went ahead and invaded like a day after the ultimatum
>>64987775No interest, they just bodied France then the US then Cambodia then. China without pausing and went back to making great coffee and banh mis
>>64987801Bro...
>>64987737>if we murder enough people, we winHow many failed operations will it take for brainlets to learn it doesn't work like this?
>>64988061Did they die?
>>64988039>This Iran engagement is already less popular than Vietnam was at the start, which is probably due to the powers that be speed running the manufacturing consent phase of the operationAnon you sound reasonably intelligent and rely on smart people things like statistics and polling... the statistics and polling are fucked. According to the polls everyone hates Trump. Which they don't, he's never been more popular. The statistics say crime rate is down and has been declining for decades. It hasn't, it's absurdly high and there are reports from trauma surgeons in places like Chicago that on certain nights in the summer it's literally a fucking warzone with the amount of gunshot wounds they treat. A while back the powers that be realized all they had to do to manipulate reasonably intelligent people was manipulate the statistics, and that's what they've been doing since then and even more so recently. I'll add another log to the fire, the Russia Ukraine casualty numbers are absolutely laughably off. Maybe 20,000 people total have died, it's been an incredibly limited war.
>>64988217>According to the polls everyone hates Trump. Which they don't, he's never been more popular.And your source for this stance popularity is drawn from where if not polls?
>the Russia Ukraine casualty numbers are absolutely laughably off. Maybe 20,000 people total have died
>>64988305>And your source for this stance popularity is drawn from where if not polls?ill just ask the liar if they are lying hold on...... no the liar says they aren't lying
>>64988315So it's one of those source: it came to me in a dream
>>64988061We killed Bin Laden, achieving the initial goal.
>>64988319At what cost
>>64988217Okay, let's throw out stats. My gut tells me another bullshit war in the mideast is deeply unpopular. Especially if more Americans come home in boxes and the economy shows any signs of distress the more this drags on.
>>64987656ok I'll give you that one
>>64988313The entire Russian Army is 1.5 million people. The official statistics put their loses literally at over 1 million. Do you honestly believe Russia has lost their entire army over the course of this conflict?Such losses would cause immense political turmoil in Russia. You would see serious cases of dissent, public statements, etc. Putin rules with an iron grip but there are still powerful enough forces in that country that would do things if Russia had lost the equivalent of their entire army for some shitty land in eastern ukraine.In addition to that, your talking about losses getting close to the losses inccured during fucking WW1 in terms of density. All you see are shitty videos of drones killing people in trenches. No mass formations no aerial footage of endless lines of troops, just 5 guys being chased down by a drone or whatever. Absolutely no evidence of the massive trench formations that would be required to approach WW1 levels of density.The motive is also there. The CIA and media are absolutely fucking rabid about Russia and have been since the cold war. They are ultimately who caused this conflict along with their equally gay Russian counterparts. They have every incentive to create fairytale bedtime stories about endless waves of Ruskies being slaughtered effortlessly by western technology and the brave intelligence work of hero CIA officers.
>>64988313>filename/timestampaussie or russoid?
>>64988344>The official statistics put their loses literally at over 1 millionLook at their official recruitment numbers, they recruit 40,000 people a month.
>>64988331>My gut tells me another bullshit war in the mideast is deeply unpopular.There are zero mass protests about this war. All that you have to rely on are some bullshit poll numbers that are totally true trust them.
>>64988351>Look at their official recruitment numbers, they recruit 40,000 people a month.once again "look at this piece of paper!" No other indications exist about the casualty numbers besides the info the CIA gives to the media.
>>64988359So both Ukraine and Russia are conspiring to give the impression that Russia is taking massive losses and very little gains...
>>64988362yes honey the professional liars at the CIA are lying to you
>>64988369That's not what I said though
>>64988344>They are ultimately who caused this conflict along with their equally gay Russian counterparts.
>>64988359There are multiple methods for measuring casualties, I'll drop some that have been done on a large scale>scraping Russian newspapers for officer obituaries>measuring expansion of Russian graveyards>measauring size of Russian Army compared to rate of recruitement>counting footage of ziggers getting explodedRussian media scraping uses open source data, how is the CIA faking that?
>>64988344I'm not sure why you're assuming there hasn't been any recruitment over the last 4 years, Russia has probably recruited 1-2 million men. 200-300K dead Russians over the course of 4 years is not WW1 level casualties. In 1914, Russia took 120,000 casualties in 4 days from one battle. That's WW1 casualties.Russia is not a Western country, they're much more politically resistant to losses like this.
Quick, we must all reply to the mentally ill person and present a logical argument
>>64988389mediaanecdotal bullshitnumbers on piece of paperinternet memes>>64988391density of conflictmillions of dead over an area the size of belgiumvs 10 million dead in WW1no visual evidence of mass infantry WW1 scale formations, just meme bait drone videos of 5 guys in a trench
>>64988355You are right we are actually in the midst of a deeply popular great crusade of the likes never seen before in American history. This is especially evident from the democratic mandate Trump has since he won the election by explicitly promising to de-fang Iran to the cheering masses.
>>64988397fuck off back to russia with your sluggish schizo shit ivan>>64988407once again, trust these numbers on a paper not concrete evidence like mass protests
>>64988414But the CIA foments mass protests all the time my man. You can't trust anything
>>64988428how could the statistics be wrong the statistics say they are correct
>>64988406>medialocal obituaries are being systematically exaggerated by a vast Russian effort to force every local newspaper to make up fake dead people?
>>64988328If the initial goal was achieved, it is not a clean loss.
>>64988511They never got those WMDs, so Iraq was a clean loss then
>>64988359I have seen more than 20k russians get blown the fuck up
>>64988520>They never got those WMDs, so Iraq was a clean loss thenin an alternate universe saddam was let get WMDs, nukes nyc, and you are digging a canal through the canadian tundra for grand emperor trudeau and empress katy perry>>64988529>I have seen more than 20k russians get blown the fuck upwow its almost like federal law enforcement agencies are racist and like creating racist porn
>>64988406most of WWI was both sides sitting in their trenches with a bit of shelling and the occasional trench raid.the battles everyone remembers where the exception not the norm.you don't get to WWI casualties by having a few WWI zerg rushes. but by having constant casualties day in day out for years on end
>>64988538if you look at it logicallyit's mutch more likely that you are made up than all the tens of thousands of videos of russians getting blow upsince you being made up would require a lot less effort, coordination, ect.
>>64988544ok that doesn't refute my pointsupposedly millions of people have lost their lives in an area the size of belgium and all we've seen are a few hundred videos total of drones killing people
>>649885571) casualties =/=dead2) WWI saw millions of people die in an area the size of belgium3) ? ? ?4) profit!
>>64988565WW1 15 million deadukraine/russia 2 million deadWW1 all of europe some of the middle eastukraine/russia tiny area of eastern ukraine that would've been covered in a day of fighting in ww2
>>64988555Nice argument and props for the triple nickle but who the fuck spells>mutchthat way?
>>64987656a most excellent post
>>64987714>we were not stopping an ideology in afghanistan, we were dismantling terrorist organizations and going after osama>we
>>64987737>>64988070
>>64988217>the Russia Ukraine casualty numbers are absolutely laughably off. Maybe 20,000 people total have diedOk I'll throw you a bone: what makes you say that?
>>64987656That's pretty good.
>>64988370but that's what he heard because he has schizophrenia
>>64987786This bigly misrepresents what happened.>The United States requested the Taliban to shut down all al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan, open them to inspection and turn over Osama bin Laden. The Taliban refused all these requests. Instead, they offered to extradite Osama bin Laden to an Islamic country, for trial under Islamic law, if the United States presented evidence of his guilt.[104] The Taliban had previously refused to extradite bin Laden to the United States, or prosecute him, after he was indicted by the US federal courts for involvement in the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.[105] The Taliban deemed eyewitness testimony and satellite phone call recordings entered into the public record in February 2001 during a trial as insufficient grounds to extradite bin Laden for his involvement in the bombings.
>>64988414>mass protestslol Americans are too fat for that...or are they?
>>64988520yeah but think about those poor babies taken off their incubators anonoh, wait, my bad, that was in gaza!
>>64988045IIRC it was about 2 weeks later, and ultimatum was broader than just handing over Osama, it was also shutting down AQ camps etc. The main thing is that none of the demands were new, they were things the US had asked the Taliban to do for years, including formally, because there was overwhelming and public evidence that Osama and AQ had been attacking the US and murdering its citizens both at home and abroad for many years. It wasn't "Here's some new and outrageous demands that we won't support with evidence kthxbai jk we actually invaded you anyway", it was"The terrorist leader that we indicted and asked you to extradite years ago after he broke a bunch of our laws and killed a bunch of us then boasted about it and his paramilitary organisation that is based in your country that keeps attacking us which we've been asking you to shut down for years have super duper fucked up this time and this is your absolute last chance to quit fucking around and do what we've asked, or we're going to assume you're complicit.">>64987786>>64988818To emphasise the importance of this, this is what Bush said about it when he was asked at a press conference if he would share the proof implicating Osama and AQ on 24 Sep 01:><paraphrasing, no it's classified>...>But for those of you looking for a legal peg, we've already indicted Osama bin Laden. He's under indictment for terrorist activity. Our war is against terrorism. Those who would conduct terrorist acts against the United States, those who sponsor them, those who harbor them, those who challenge freedom wherever it may exist.Basically they knew he did it, but they asked for him to be handed over on the existing evidence of his previous crimes. Mullah Omar was never going to hand him over to the US, and the Taliban would never have accepted any evidence of his guilt as sufficient, but almost certainly already knew he was guilty from him directly and the US knew that they knew that already via SIGINT.
>>64988815>but that's what he heard because he has schizophreniahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia
>>64988081>Did they die?Yes. Sometimes they got stuck in the landing gear well and their body flapped against the hull of the aircraft the entire flight. Most of them fell off after the start.
>>64987656
>>64989122flappy bird
>>64989126These people are similar to pajeets.
>>64987656fippity bippity
>>64988928So both Ukraine and Russia are conspiring to give the impression that Russia is taking massive losses and very little gains?
>>64987737You need to count in the south vietnamese losses or you sound like a gigacoper
>>64988355I have not yet met a single person that supports this war. You do sound like an uneducated and unmedicated schizophrenic that really wants to be smart.
>>64987637Imagine if Ho Chi Minh, Le Duan and General Giap were all killed on week 1 of 1965
>>64993865Assassination used to be considered dishonorable behavior for a professional military
>>64993858>unmedicated schizophrenicshove your sluggish schizo up your ass sideways officer deadbeat
>>64994332MEDS NOWEDSNOW
>>64988520What a terrible comparison.
>>64987637but it shows the effectiveness. You at least would want to be able to recreate the conditions as much as you can as ways to judge how susceptible you are to achieving similar outcomes.
>>64988217>Source: It was revealed to me in a dream >>65002702According to who? They all know they are fighting the Epstein class and defending their own country. Shitraels time is running out and they're running out of support.
>>65002749We can just choke them out if we keep this up. Iran's flailing is building the coalition for us.
>>65002963yes because that's been working so well for us to the point where our own soldiers have started to mutiny because no one wants to die for Shitrael. You're a low IQ poster.
>>65003009>things that definitely happened
>>65003009>mutinyI'd love to see what you're talking about, thirdie.
>>65003033>>65003015Mossad Epstein pedophile shill is back You have no arguments besides calling people brown or turdies>USS Gerald FordThere ya go Epstein worshipper. Why don't you go home and die for shitrael and baby rapists since you love them so much?
>>65003058>shreaking turdie thinks he's winning the internet
People who discuss Vietnam always neglect to bring up the biggest factor in the failure of the United States, the absolutely pants on head retarded war plan of >"just sit in the south and let them attack you, then safely fall back, rest, reinforce, re arm, and attack you again, over and over until they get tired of it"
>>64987637You're forgetting the most important factor>US never attempted to invade North Vietnam
>>65003058>mossad easternDo I need to remind d of that Ayatollah quote about how it's morally okay to rape a goat so long as you kill the goat after? Also you can sell the cum goat meat but not to your own village. Thirdies don't get to claim any sort of moral high ground, not when you are all eating cum.
>>65005021To be fair, China was backing them and we didn't know at the time that Human wave tactics were literally all they had going for them. They were also only starting to hint at what ungrateful little shits they were after we saved them from the Japanese.
>>65005122for me, its Muhammad (police be upon him) having all the characteristics of a cult leader>yeah my harem can be the biggest>yeah its fine if I fuck a 9 year old>yeah we should violently seize (insert territory) and slaughter (insert group)>don't worry if (You) die, because if we do that then uh...Allah will give you women to fuck and delicious food to eat because thats what you bandits can imagi-I mean, because thats the apotheosis of experience...>oh yeah btw Allah said I should bang your wife, and even though you are my adopted son, you should divorce her. What can I say bro, Allah just told me :^)
>>64987656Kek, this should be on a t-shirt.
