Is it possible to win a war without deploying ground troops? Is there any examples of conflicts won strictly through a bombing campaign? If so what were the techniques used? If not, is it even theoretically plausible to do so?
>>64989183>Is it possible to win a war without deploying ground troops?no. Never happened, never will. Theoretically maybe, when munitions tech gets good enough and cheap enough. But no boots on the ground=your only option is to keep bombing forever. Which aint happening.
>>64989183WW2 saw the capitulation of Japan after being nuked so yes, it already happened at least once.>inb4 Russian invasion: changed nothing >inb4 there were boots on the ground: not in Japan
>>64989195Even Japan required most of the gruntwork to be done by actual grunts though, the nukes were just the cherry on top of a huge undertaking.Still, nukes are probably the best bet to defeat a country entirely through air, but even then you'd need to deliberately target all of their basic needs infrastructure, something that puts a hard limit on the amount they can resist before starving/dehydrating.
Sure, JapanAll the US Air Force has to do to get Iran to surrender is burn down Tehran with a few fire bombing air raids and then drop a couple of nuclear weapons on other population centers.
>>64989205Japan needed gruntwork to get the air power close enough to do the air raids. If you start the war with ballistic missiles and air superiority you don't need that.
>>64989207>burn down Tehran with a few fire bombing air raidsThat actually got me thinkingIs there a way to cultivate a fire that fuels itself on modern building materials like concrete to the point it can melt a contemporary city center?
>>64989195>WW2 saw the capitulation of Japan after being nukedafter they were in the process of losing everything they had overseas to Allied grunts and naval arms.
>>64989207What you're dealing with is essentially a cartel type of organization except a faith-based one specifically. Decapitating it or bombing a population center means nothing due to the mosaic doctrine.In effect, doing a decapitating strike will then make the "cartel" fragment into 20 smaller cartels that now hold their own turf and will be belligerent on their own and attack everything around them. Usually this would all mean that you pick an objective, bomb it or whatever and then claim you did your best and things were accomplished and you pull out (after it doesn't matter for the public what was gained by the endeavor). But in this case there's a huge global economic choke-point nearby. So there's no "bomb shit, then leave" option.That's why initially it was important to cause a regime change, which didn't happen. A "better" regime would play ball and not cause trouble. But a fragmented regime into local warlords and militants would be continuous trouble near this chokepoint.
>>64989183>Is it possible to win a war without deploying ground troops?No>Is it possible to win a war without deploying YOUR ground troops?Yes
>>64989229Those cartels still need to eat. Target their farms.
>>64989195>inb4 Russian invasion: changed nothingIt's actually the biggest factor in the japanese capitulation. Also, bombing civilians is a war crime.
>>64989265Japan drafted its entire population to defend the mainland, so there were technically no civilians left by the times the bombs fell. :P
>>64989249>Commit war crimes for me goy so I can commit more war crimes
>>64989278>"Noooo, you have to follow my unga-bunga flower war rules, you aren't supposed to actually just heckin' kill people in a war"
>>64989278Cutting off your enemy's food supply is basic siege warfare 101. Not even Nazi Germany was trialed for attempting to starve the USSR, and the USSR definitely wasn't trialed for the Holodomor.
>>64989274And since Americans voted for Trump, they are responsible for what their country is doing hence terrorism in the US is actually morally justified.
>>64989229>le mosaic shillingOK just nuke them. Should've done that in Afghanistan.
>>64989302Technically speaking, the only act of terrorism on Iran's part targeted a legitimate military target, so it 'is' justified on the same metric.
>>64989278Consider: it's not a war crimeif your prosecutors are too busy starving to prosecute you
>>64989265>Also, bombing civilians is a war crime.So true king. Fuck all the inhuman freaks who disagree.
>>64989302Why cope like that? You could've just said that your desert demon wills it, shitskin.
>>64989344Kek
>>64989305>WMD literal cave peopleYou're a freak
>>64989353Why? That's the only way to defeat the, right? And if they're lucky, they'll evolve into superhumans.
>>64989195No. This is common misconception. Yes, nukes helped a bit in Japan's surrender. But main factor was Soviet declaration of war on Japan on August 8th 1945.And soviets DID have boots on ground on Sakhalin at least.
>>64989378Wrong, the common misconception is thinking that Soviets entering the war (who could've thought that the Soviets would attack the japs???) was the main factor. The main factor in Japanese surrender was the Japs thought that Yanks had hundreds of nuclear bombs and they were willing to destroy every Japanese town.
>>64989397It was the main factor. It has been discussed by historians extensively. The Japanese were already thinking to surrender before the bombs.It's actually a pretty dumb narrative the mutts created. Supposedly, the Japanese were fanatics ready to die en masse. But one big bomb made them change their mind.
>>64989403Yes, subhuman degenerate, the Japs were willing to die honourably, hopelessly fighting on two fronts. They weren't willing to die unhonourable deaths, which nuking the was.
>>64989414>the*them
>>64989414Americans were already bombing their cities. It changed nothing. They took one atom bomb and didn't surrender but as soon as the Soviets entered the war, it was over. It's also why the emperor only talked about the soviet invasion in his speech directed to the soldiers.
>>64989403Kek
>>64989195the Russian declaration of war removed japans last hope (that the west and russia would end up fighting each other)
>>64989426Why blatantly lie like that?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito_surrender_broadcast>Furthermore, the enemy has begun to employ a new and cruel bomb, causing immense and indiscriminate destruction, the extent of which is beyond all estimation. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in the ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but it would also lead to the total extinction of human civilization.Call 112.
>>64989459>Now that the Soviet Union has entered the war against us, to continue the war under the present internal and external conditions would be only to increase needlessly the ravages of war finally to the point of endangering the very foundation of the Empire's existencehttps://www.mansell.com/pow_resources/pics_misc/hirohito_surrender.htmlYou really have no clue about the subject.
>>64989476>the enemy has begun to employ a new and cruel bomb, causing immense and indiscriminate destruction, the extent of which is beyond all estimation. >Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in the ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but it would also lead to the total extinction of human civilization.You lost.
>>64989502I told you his speech to his troops directly mentioned the soviet invasion. You responded with another speech because you obviously didn't know about it which is enough proof you haven't read anything about this subject. Stop coping mutt.
>>64989523No one cares about whether rusnigs were mentioned in his speech or not when >the enemy has begun to employ a new and cruel bomb, causing immense and indiscriminate destruction, the extent of which is beyond all estimation. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in the ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but it would also lead to the total extinction of human civilization.
>>64989183What are the political goals of the war? How can the enemy maintain pressure after you seek peace?If there is an active civil war and you offer one side air support it could easily turn the tide, there are boots on ground but they aren't yours.If you want to destroy the enemies ability to wage war you can destroy a lot equipment and factories but if they have a way to maintain the war after that then they might decide to keep a major shipping lane closed long after their military is destroyed.
>>64989557>if I keep repeating the same thing it will magically make the other thing go away and I won't have to deal with itYou must get called child so much that your life sounds like a funk song.
>>64989523>Dimitry isn't aware that without the US tremendous help he would speak German >He's so unaware he thinks his shit hole had any impact in history yeah cope more the nukes is what did the job
>>64989183As a general rule, no. And I'm inclined to think this one won't be either.A weird complication though is that Israel is really good at killing Iran's leaders. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head where so many members of a state's senior military and political leadership were killed within a few weeks of a war, and part of the rationale appears to be them trying something pretty experimental to see if it creates the conditions for some kind of regime change. Anyways we'll find out one way or another.
>>64989743Why are they painting Iran as the good guys?
>>64989743The problem is that Iran's military and political leadership were incompetent. Wiping them out allows younger, ambitious, and perhaps competent, leadership to step up now when the old boomer guard who wouldn't die, died. This has happened before, like with the great purge during the Soviet Union (which did more bad short term but might have been the move long term).
>>64989651You didn't get you're wrong the first time, I understand this happens all the time with mentally underdeveloped "people", so I had to repeat myself.
>>64989274There is a reason you dont have any ally in the strair, except israel which is actively targeting your planes back and forth.
Talks went from america is winning bigly to we should use nuclear weapons very quickly
>>64989265>war crime Not at the time it wasn't.
>>64989302>heh we're gonna do terroism >US>cowabunga it is >kills hundreds of thousands of Iranians Do you not know how retaliation works?
>>64989871>implying it cares about Iranian peopleThey never do.
>>64989183Operation Allied Force, resulting in Serbian withdrawal from Kosovo. Also one (Orange and circumcized) could argue that 12 day war from last year was also a success.
>>64989183Libya
>>64989214I think people like you should be shot
>>64989921>>64989908historically illiterate retards>The Libyan Civil War,[36] also known as the First Libyan Civil War and Libyan Revolution,[37] was an armed conflict fought in 2011 in the North African country of Libya between forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and rebel groups attempting to oust his government.
>>64989932how does the war this thread is obviously about not count as that?
>>64989924Slow down there Mossad, it's just a question.
>>64989763they seem competent enough to survive for so many years under duress. anyways, dying isn't a sign of incompetency for them. that's just your metric.
>>64989274By that logic, every civilian in Israel has to do military service, therefore there were no civilian casualties on October 7th ;^).
>>64989403>But one big bomb made them change their mind.Their emperor ordered them to do so. A substantial part of the army was willing to continue fighting even after Nagasaki.
>>64989403>Oh gee this theoretical weapon that every nation has been racing to is just one big bomb not a literal shift in the entirety of humans capacity. >I just can't imagine why showing off a new tech that is massively unstudied and results in bigger bombs, increased energy output and requires tech we can't fathom to even exist would make a nation want to stop fighting a war
>>64990995Only problem with that logic is that a majority of the victims of Oct 7th were forign tourists and workers who aren't citizens.Why do Muslims always attack innocent people when they get mad?
>>64989183us-japan 1945 was mostly won via bombing
>>64989908>>64989921>>64989942Western forces used the libyan rebels as ground forces you muppet
>>64991643you gonna answer the question?
>>64989789not really, there are no friends or morals in geopoliticsthe primary reason is because opening the strait benefits everyone, so no one wants to bear the cost in the hope someone else will
>>64991641no it was won by the Soviet army rolling into Manchuria which made the last of the army generals concede owari da
>>64989183Depends on your victory condition.
>>64989183To simplify, no.
>>64991679Which had little effect on the Japanese homeland's situation. Who were already cut off from nearly all recourses coming in, due to the American and British naval forces shredding Japanese merchant shipping (Which is what actually won the war, not even air power.)It wasn't the Soviets with little capacity to invade the home islands that made Hirohito give up. It was the looming American invasion and the introduction of bombs that were possibly going to make all fortifying and individual defiance mean very little.
>>64991624It's a trait that stems from the Abrahamic religions' need to cleanse the 'others' in order for their sky daddy to come back to Earth.Also;>Jews and jew lovers>innocent peoplepick one and only one
>>64989188Finland by a much reduced metric of success for the USSR>hold the isthmus>Soviets start bombing cities
>>64989249>implying you know who the cartels are anywhere near enough to target them for starvationWhat is up with this board?How does the IQ get lower every day?
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>>64989743>A weird complication though is that Israel is really good at killing Iran's leadersThis is good for a ground invasion; not any negotiated settlement. You need a unified power structure to both negotiate with AND enforce that settlement. If you end up fragmenting the power structure, you will end up with factions that do not speak for a united Iran.
>>64991624>were forign tourists and workers who aren't citizensI don't think this is even close to true, unless you are counting dual-citizenship niggas as non-Israeli. Where are you getting this from?
>>64990995Iran also has compulsory military service. Are you going to apply that logic to Iran as well?
>>64989403>the Japanese were fanatics ready to die en masse. But...But the soviets declaring war on them even when they couldn't hope to organize an amphibious landing on the jap mainland, let alone occupy it is the reason but not the very real nukes and massive US naval blockade? No, that's retarded and only slavaboos believe it.
>>64991893That's because they weren’t fanatics to begin with. It was mostly propaganda aimed at the Americans, to convince them that the Japanese would fight to the last man—and thus pressure the U.S. into negotiating a deal. Obviously, once the Soviets declared war, that option was off the table, which is what forced the surrender.
>>64991964Are you stupid? They DID fight to the last man everywhere they fought. They had to come up with new tactics for securing prisoners because of suicide bombers.
>>64989426The Soviets entered the Asian theater long before your retarded slav fantasy time frame
>>64992302>They DID fight to the last man everywhere they fought.Not true. They surrendered more and more, as highlighted by the battle of Okinawa. It's funny that such a fanatical people surrendered so easily and got occupied by the Soviets and Americans without any issue.>>64992326The Soviets attacked Japan on 8 august. The emperor announced the surrender of Japan on 15 august.
>>64991879Well, mutts tomahawk'd an elementary school, so you tell me.
>>64989214If you can figure out how to deliver a large amount of Chlorine Trifluoride maybe. But at that point it'd be less cruel to just nuke them.
>>64989183>Has any war been won through only a air campaign?gulf war one and twoww2
>>64989214>Is there a way to cultivate a fire that fuels itself on modern building materials like concretethermite will cut through concrete and a thing called a thermite lance is used for just that in construction.
>>64989195the only reason those nukes were even able to hit japan was because they took multiple islands using ground troops giving them access to air bases
>>64993653But infantry was still deployed in those wars?
>>64989183A tangent, The Anglo-Zanzibar War on August 27 1896 involved no ground troops. The Royal Navy shelled the crap out of the opposing side and won in about 45 minutes.
>>64989195>nukedAnd starved to death. Everyone always forgets about the American submarines doing what Germany dreamt of doing and the mining of Japanese harbors
>>64989195netherlands surrendered to germany after the terror bombing of rotterdam coupled with the threat to repeat performance on amsterdam and utrecht. there were german boots on the ground but the invasion wasn't going to plan and had started to stall.
>>64991964>they weren't fanatics>nukes and firebombings didn't workKind of have to pick one, champ
>>64989188Literally Serbia was defeated purely through NATO air bombing campaign. Same with Ghadaffi/Libyan regime.
>>64989278>sucking cartel cock
>>64995219The Libyans were beaten with local support and terrorists from abroad they couldn't of won without air support. I'm also pretty sure the Serbians were also fighting people on the ground till the NATO air strikes decided who won.
>>64989183never, japan is arguable but it also lost all of its navy and its army in china was about to be surounded by soviets in the north, the brits in the south, the chinks in the west and the americans fucking up their whole merchant navy preventing supplies from their home islands and then it also had 2 nuclear bombs dropped it and only then did they surrendereddespite all this, the public barely knew about how bad shit was because of domestic propaganda and war censorship so they weren't out in the streets crying for the war to stop despite having been bombed badly, only the top guys knew how bad things were and decided to surrender but also some of them tried to do a coup to prevent it
>>64989207A lot of people already fled Tehran, it would be a crime against humanity and be a worldwide PR disaster and it would cement their hatred toward the kikes and America. It would also justify equally awful retaliations.retards like you can't see beyond their hooked nose
>>64989183Kinda Warsaw. Germans didn't captured the city (they tried rush into it at beginning of war and got decimated), but after ~3 weeks of bombing campaign city surrendered (tho there were boots on the ground + soviet invasion)
>>64995159They weren't fanatics. They were desperate. That's what happens when the only option offered by the adversary is unconditional surrender. In that case, you resist because there's no other choice. Their only option was to cling to this illusion that the Soviets might help them negotiate peace with the United States, and in exchange the Japanese were ready to offer them a lot of territory. Obviously, when the USSR declares war on them, it shatters that hope. Hence the surrender.
>>64991829The bombing did literally jack fucking shit in Finland (Helsinki was barely hit despite massive air raids), it was the front that was in shambles and the race to Berlin that ended the war the way it did
>>64989183Japan theatre.
>>64989195>>inb4 there were boots on the ground: not in JapanThere were boots on the ground in the Pacific, retard
>>64996968>illusionMore like delusion. Japan was just afraid of retaliation considering their track record with the people they conquered. US benevolence towards them was unthinkable in their eyes since they didn't show any to their foes.
>>64989207>Can subs lick us?Only if we allow them to.
>>64989195I think Japan exposes actually the one part where no ground troops actually works conventionally: when you're fighting an island.>bomb island>island runs low on food/ammo/steel/funkopops>bomb ships heading to islandRepeat until island starves or surrenders.
>>64989207Yeah uh-huh the war with Japan was strictly a bombing campaign, no ships or ground troops...
>>65002601We can't say "works" until it actually works in practice
