What exactly are the couple thousand Marines en route to Hormuz even doing to be doing there? Storming Kharg seems like a fool’s errand, so what else could they even conceivably be used for? Pulling security for Gulf Arab oil infrastructure like 1991?
>>64991963How is storming Kharg island a fool's errand?
>>64991963most likely coming home in boxes
>>64991963there are a lot of f35s on it, they could just run missions with those and then leave when they run out of munitions>>64991971well you'd have to drive through the strait first
>>64991963do ya see those helicopters on the deck? they can do lots of tasks besides hauling marines around. pulling mine sleds. shooting down drones. taking jamal home after fucking your mom. etc.
>>64991976Do helicopters not exist?
>>64991976The Stait isn't physically closed. Iran lobs a few drones so insurers won't cover tankers, but they can't close the strait to the U.S.
>>64991963Extra helos for swatting flies and stepping on bugs? Maybe a few manned raids against the islands in the strait? Or even aboard teams for tankers in convoy?
>>64991963Greater and Lesser Tunb. Mark me.
>>64991963A successful Kharg amphibious operation followed by returning to the PACOM AOR would demonstrate the value of FD2030 and the MEUs while signalling something to China. Is that actually going to happen? No one knows.
Taking Kharg secures part of the area. It also forces Iran to respond and show what kinds of capabilities they have left, and that would be better done against a force bracing for attack and ready to respond.
>>64991963What is stopping Iran just blowing up everything in Kharg in the event of americans trying to take it?
>taking Kharg That's idiotic since they'll be sitting ducks there.Iran is currently hitting targets all over the Gulf and troops retreated from almost all bases to prevent losses. Focusing troop activity in one spot will just make them an easy target and wipe them all out.The play here is to move "serious" troops into the area so Iran is more willing to talk. Won't happen but that's the plan.
>>64992029theoretically>attrition of missiles/drone teams>diplomatic response from the rest of the world who would like that oil infra to continue existing actually>no prospect of ever regaining it and using it for themselves again in the futurewe'll only see how true/relevant these points are if an invasion actually happens
>>64992000Yes bro they are losing so hard your navy is parked a thousand miles away from the strait LMAO. Send your boats full of zogdogs sailing through the strait, along hundreds of miles of coastline to stage an amphibious landing, all the while getting pounded from hardened facilities in the Zagros mountains. Go on do it.
>>64992036I agree that it's mostly posturing, I think the posturing is also being directed at oil futures markets and Euro/East Asian allies who are dependent on the strait's traffic
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>>64992042>admits the strait was never closed
>>64991976We only needed 2 super hornets and a Zulu cobra the last time I was there
>>64992042Yet more blustering from BRICShitters. Because that's all they've been capable of.
>>64992037>attrition of missiles/drone teamsWithout regard for anything else in your exchange: Kharg is in easy range of old-fashioned tube artillery. There is no need for rocketry or drones.
>>64992054>>64992058Remind me what day of the three day special military operation you are on? Your performance makes Russia look godlike. At least Russia managed to take some territory.
>>64992054maybe they opened it since monday
>>64992072>Zero ships have gone through it in the past 24 hoursSo you've established that this publication is full of retards, what is your point?
>>64992080...the Brookings Institution?
>>64992029I heard 90% of their money comes from that island, seems like a bad idea.
>>64992029Because that's where 90% of their oil is exported from. They'd be cutting their own throat.
>>64992086>>64992085Never underestimate the stupidity of brown dictatorships.
>>64992064>we're going to haul tube artillery into firing position to shell an enemy that has complete air dominance>said enemy also has unmatched SIGINT capabilities to the point that individual members of government are being killed within hours of coming above groundDo you just assume the US is going to go "well that's an artillery shell, pack it in boys?"
>>64992084YesIf they are making that claim, than they are retards and no amount of reputation gesturing is going to fix that.
>>64992131it's open right now if you pay Iran $2m to use it, is that what you mean?
>>64992112The time it takes to deploy a battery, fire a few salvos, and pack it up is less than the flight time of a drone from the shore of iran to the shore of UAE/Arabia. If they can't find the drone and respond in that time, then how is it any different for the artillery. Genuine question, I really want to know. I will remind you that I'm not trying to make any point about the conversation you were having, I am merely showing that this one single point is irrelevant.
>>64992058You're crazy if you think kharg can be taken and held without major casualties
>>64992139Retards don't know you can turn your AIS off. And "experts" like to open their mouths about things they have zero experience or insight with.
Man, Imagine if the US decided that two can play the mining game, wouldn't that be funny
>>64992150you are way behind on this conflict if you still think there is secret traffic transiting the strait with their transponders turned off. are you under the impression that the iranians use AIS to find their targets or something
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>>64992159Has Iran actually mined Hormuz? Seems a bit 'tarded to risk blasting Chinese tankers.
>>64992085>>64992086Well if the option is having it fall into american hands is the other option, then those launch buttons might look awfully tempting
The fuck would they even do on Kharg? Jack off and eat Shaheds?
>>64992177there's been some chatter to the effect that they have mined it already but if so only very lightly as of right now.there's also some talk of iran planning to mine *most* of the strait while keeping a small corridor clear. still kind of dangerous since occasionally a stray mine will occasionally break free and float around. but that's all speculative
>>64992042Taking Kharg would be genius. You get ahold of your enemies lifeline and the U.S. would control like 35% of global output.
>>64992190Regime change or something, i lost the plot long ago
>>64992185Okay, but the war will eventually end. You're gonna want that island back AND fully functional. If it was maybe 25% of your oil, I'd understand taking the hit. But 80-90% is economic suicide, and (what's left of) your regime is already in a bad enough state.
>>64992200As if countries run by millenarian death cults care about staying alive
>>64992068>Your performance makes Russia look godlike.3 weeks into the 6 week SMO in Iran: 7 American deaths3 days into the 3 day SMO in Ukraine: 11,000 Russian deaths
>>64992204Nuclear programs need money. Supporting Ham-Ass, Ligmabollah, and Poothis needs money. Paying your police and armed forces to suppress unrest needs money.
>>64992200Yeah but you get the chance to bbq some poor 21-year old from Puerto Rico trying to pay of his 27% interest Camaro loan, so there's that
>>64992200that logic depends on the iranians believing that their state will actually still exist and also that their diplomatic footing will actually allow them to take it backyou've got one person talking about the Americans taking and keeping Kharg Island, then the next person says "why wouldn't the Iranians blow it up if the Americans were going to keep it" and then the reply comes "well they need it to make money." like okay yeah then if they don't think they can get it back they'll destroy it. conversation ended
>>64992190Something like 90% of Iran's petroleum and petroleum product exports use Kharg terminal; any disruptions in operation would impact over half of Iran's exports.
>>64991963So the US cam get a better warscore and peace deal.
>>64991971>>64991976Not if it’s a distraction from an airborne assault launched from kuwait
>>64992270ghostomel 2
It's over.
>>64992068Shutup BRICS ape
>>64991963>Storming Kharg seems like a fool’s errand>cutting off Irans sole source of revenue and placing pressure on China seems like a fools errand. We're going to force the PLAAN to re-open the straights of Hormuz and its going to be hilarious.
>>64992165You're a fucking retard. Here is reporting from even up to fucking TODAY about ships turning off their AIS to transit. https://www.tbsnews.net/worldbiz/middle-east/maritime-traffic-through-strait-hormuz-drops-sharply-amid-iran-conflict-1391276Any further posts you make to me that do not include links to sources that back everyone single one of your claims will simply be met with me calling you a retard.
>>64992276Hostemel with actual back up and competent people in charge and less casualties and a worse adversary and more planning and more support
>>64992214>Supporting Ham-Ass, Ligmabollah, and Poothis needs moneyThis is a valid argument but the unrest part is pure wishful thinking
>>64992036>iran is currently hitting targets all over the gulfi like it when thirdies make vague statements like thiswhat targets have they hit?oh right, barely fucking any, because their CEP remains trash-tier, meaning most of their attacks fail to do meaningful damage>t-troops retreated from almost all bases KEKEKEKEKEKEKEK
>>64992301you have linked a Bangladeshi newspaper that is reporting on other outlets' reportingthe strait is closedliterally the entire world is talking about the strait being closedthe president of the united states makes statements literally every day about the strait being closed and how it's going to be re-openedwhy are you even arguing about this
>>64992068>remind me of a strawman that i created inside my headthere was never any "3 day operation" in this instance, you stupid, retarded, copy-cat zigger>my favourite shithole got humiliated by setting a 3 day deadline, so surely i must be able to spam this at the amerimutts without it sounding retardedthere is no equivalence, it's just you meekly screeching "n-no u" without understanding how the 3 day thing works and why it's so funny.>y-your performance makes russia look godlikewhy lie to yourself like this, in your heart, behind all the cope, you know this is complete horseshit, and yet you say it anyway.
>>64992278Didn't he just send more troops and ask for more money to fund the war specifically
>>64992324>You're a fucking retard
>>64992353when the strait is still closed in two weeks' time will you be dazed and confused or will you even remember that this conversation took place? I lean towards the latter
>>64992366I could ask the same of you with an inverted result.
>>64992384fewer than 100 ships since the start of March, buddy. I'll come back on the 3rd of April with this screenshot in hand and I expect you to be here to claim it
>>64992349You assume that there is a plan here, or at least a concept of a plan
>>64992390So you're running away rather than answer? Classic.
>>64992410I love this party line from fucking midwits. You don't beat the fuck out of the largest country in the middle east without a plan.
>>64992278I hope the democraps rape him in the midterms for this retardation
>>64992410>the Pentagon has not been studying how to kill Iran for the last 40 years
>>64992445Confirmed Brown
>>64992442Achieving military victory was never the issue, it was not fucking everything up afterwards like Afghanistan and IraqBut it seems Bush-era "Mission Accomplished" politics is back
>>64992456Whiter than you Paco
>>64992461Or more likely Trump is flexing his power to move markets to keep a lid on the economic war Iran is trying to wage.
>>64992468Your skin could be as white as the driven snow, but if you in any way support Democrats you are spiritually brown.
>>64992461>But it seems Bush-era "Mission Accomplished" politics is backWe're not going to occupy Iran proper or nation build so no. We've learnt from Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam - we're going to kill the bad guys and then leave, with no elaboration.
>>64992481Vietnam is such a poor example considering it has been a Communist nation ever sinceIran is also only going to look like Syria did for a decade and a half if you leave now
>>64992481>We've learnt from Iraq, Afghanistan and VietnamYou didn't learn shit you dumb fucking ape.The lesson from those conflicts was to not start them in the first place.
>>64992493Turning Iran into a failed state with no external power projection would be a major victory.
>>64992493It doesn't fit the mold I agree. Better comparison is Iraq and A-stan. >>64992498Incorrect. The error was not starting the conflicts. The error is not having an exit strategy.
