Mods are asleep, post cute forts
You got anyones that are wearing a cute Stockade?
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I love follies
>>64993815Throw bars on the larger windows and this place is perfect for the zombie apocalypse.
>>64993767That's a pleasure palace, not a fort
>>64993847I visited your moms pleasure palace last night.
>>64993815Rich people used to make cool stuff just to piss off their neighbours, one faggot claims his estate was the most private in the land... then this cunt erects a massive evil wizards tower overlooking it. Because fuck you I can and I'm rich
>>64993807Ywn live in a compound built on a star fort. That house is probably zombie proof unless zombies learn how to fly.
>>64993919>The tower was designed by architect Isaac Booth as a chimney to serve the Washer Lane dye works owned by Wainhouse. The height of the chimney was to satisfy the Smoke Abatement Act 1870 which required a tall chimney to carry smoke out of the valleys in which the factories were built.[6][7] A much simpler chimney would have satisfied the requirements[citation needed] but Wainhouse insisted that it should be an object of beauty.[8] >It's just to combine the pleasant and the useful I swear!Rich hypocrites are funny..
>>64993916lmao
If concrete making had stuck around in post-Roman Europe, would it have been suitable for making castles? How might it have affected castle design?
>>64994534concrete without rebar is worse than regular stone
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Have some CP.
>>64994011For me? It’s 1215. Although the older I get the more I love star forts.
>>64994571Is that a palisade wall? I want to be sure.
>>64993842>>64994170Shut up, fags. 2011 was 15 years ago and zombies are boring as fuck. Unless they’re the rare intelligent kind, they don’t even shoot back.
>>64994669>the idea of moving ballistic targets bores anonThat sucks, man.
>>64994011>Mott & Bailey>Stronghold>Stronghold: Remastered>Generic Fantasy Castle>Above but GUNS>GUYS STAR FORTS
>>64994669Would a Star fort, a Castle or a Polygonal fort be best for an zombie apocalypse?
>>64994011Then you look at the Byzantine "kastron" or frontier forts from before 800s.
>>64994011 1428 was so much better than 1535, what was the king thinking?
>>64993919Richfags suck ass. I’m not a commie. I think if the poor were at the top, they’d eat each other until they were reduced to the same putrid, spoiled tiny fraction of humanity like the trash that are there now.I have a friend who works for this filthy rich married couple. Their McMansion in all seriousness has a classic painting hanging in their bathroom because they just bought it knowing the artists name and had to put it somewhere. They can’t even tell you anything about it.Also, he paid my friend to pull the classic P.I. job and spy on his wife to see if she was cheating on him. Real happy couple. I’m actually a happy guy, btw. Not like me to complain. Just my two cents.
>>64994726Castle, assuming the zombies dont have artillery. Higher walls that are harder to scale or overrun.
>>64994760The gov of my state has been not so secretly embezzling money to his mistress in the form of state and gov contracts to the tune of several million dollars for her dud startup company, and his wife genuinely does not give a shit as long as she can still buy whatever she wants. My old boss went on to work for her, the entire company is a front just to launder fed and state money, and it's pretty much an open secret now.
comfy...
>>64994804Terrible, ahistorical image. They didn't have colors back then.
>>64994822Ah, the good ole poop chute
>>64994760Obviously there are exceptions, but I've found rich people are generally nicer than poor people; it's just the asshole rich have the means to big gigantic gaping assholes, as opposed to just petty criminals.
>>64994822>>64994804Anyone knows a real castle with a gothic chapel inside of the keep? I'd add that to my list
>>64994822Who would have thought the Cesspool cleaner was above the Priest and Noble family.
>>64994814Kys
>>64994903It was a joke, anon.
>>64994914It's hard to tell because normies actually believe that shit and so many blatant lies about the medieval era."Uhhh your lord could just fuck your wife with zero repercussions!"
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>>64994894You'd be surprised to learn it was a very smelly job!
In progress since forever
>>64994822>lead pipes took the water to the kitchen
lets bring in the ringer
For me, it's the simple yet functional Norman Donjon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXG_I_tf_i4
>>64994989It's a very pretty & cozy looking castle :)
>>64995039no beach F--
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>>64994829Yeah, my experience is that rich people are either pleasant but irritatingly clueless about certain things or the kind of asshole it takes years of practice to reach.
>>64995038>>64995042sorry, wrong song.https://youtu.be/Ksa_AFE2UbE
>>64994882>They muide'd him! Through the slot!
>>64994989Just about to reopen for the season, though
>>64994958I'd like to point out that in the top right image none of those characters are knights and them all wearing dark clothing is a stylistic choice as the antagonists are dressed in white.
>>64995051The flies and the smell give you +10 attack
>>64995051>Clean it up, medieval janny!
>>64994918>using normiesRope yourself newfag
>>64995105Sean Bean was a knight in Black Death.
>>64994881I wonder why they'd give up the land at the back there. Seems like it'd still be useful to have that enclosed space for storage, people, crops.
>>64995182Would you have preferred I said "normalfags?"I bet I've been on this site longer than you've been alive. Seething.
>>64994995Ronan aquaducts were lined with lead and the world's first documented case of artificial sweeteners was heating wine in lead vessels. People couldn't get enough of the stuff.
>>64994817I like this because it didnt really ever go out of style. Most of the basics here get reused in the colonies, in WW1 and 2, make the walls hescos and we’re still doing it. Fast and cheap never stops having appeal.
>>64994995Lead pipes are pretty safe unless regularly disrupted. Lead isnt water soluble, and its softness means it tends to bend rather than snap and spit particulate everywhere. A lot of lead pipe issues actually come from water made dirty by other means abrading the walls of the pipe (like if theres sand in the water). If relatively clean water is flowing and the pipe isnt being damaged regularly, then the water contamination is probably small enough as to not matter at all. These people would have been receiving heavy metal contamination on a far smaller scale than modern peoples.
>>64994918>"Uhhh your lord could just fuck your wife with zero repercussions!"Fact check = TRUE
>>64995242I swear I remember reading that lead pipes fed by Roman aqueducts also built up a protective layer of calcium (I think?) due to the mineral content of the water sources that the aqueducts tapped. Obviously this wouldn't have necessarily applied to other aqueduct systems elsewhere in the empire.
>>64995242It is also a matter of the pH of the water. A problem with modern water systems with legacy lead based soldered pipes is controlling the pH tightly to keep the levels of lead in older pipe buildings below limits.
>>64995248Fact check = FALSEMediaeval Feudalism by Carl Stephenson
>>64994669>flying zombies Technically infected, but for a couple weeks when a private cheat was leaked in combat arms the server browser was filled with hacker lobbies and with the rudimentary fly hack there were zombies flying as fast as a single key press in hot pursuit juddering through the air towards their prey >shootie zombies Goddamn nikita (tarkov) in his zombie game mode featured zombies armed with pistols and some were armed with ap boolets with rng aim that could head eyes you across the map
>>64995268This is what they want you to believe. I saw the movie.
>>64995282The only trve Mel Gibson movies are the Passion and Mad Max trilogy
>>64993749Since this thread is also vaguely about earthworks: pic rel is a reconstruction of a hillfort that was erected against the Magyar raids of the 9th and 10th centuries. Many hillforts were built for this purpose and thus share common elements in their defensive architecture; like trenches, hedges and abatis to cover the approaches and reduce the mobility of the Magyars. Pic rel is one of the best examples as the remnants of the earthworks are still very visable.>>64994752Shorter and thicker walls withstand cannon fire better. And if it soothes you: the central keep would have been kept and not demolished (if in good condition) and replaced by a manor house. It was just so that additional modern defensive works were added to the outer perimeter of the castle.>>64994833Practically every castle that was inhabited up until the modern age. But romanesque and baroque chapels are more common in my experience.
And here a digital terrain model of the aforementioned hillfort. Note that you can very clearly see the trenches and embankment that run perpendicular to the first rampart.
>>64995379>Shorter and thicker walls withstand cannon fire better. And if it soothes you: the central keep would have been kept and not demolished (if in good condition) and replaced by a manor house. It was just so that additional modern defensive works were added to the outer perimeter of the castle.It's interesting how nowadays forts and defenses have gone back to high walls because most shelling will come from above and you need the walls to direct explosive shockwave and absorb fragmentation instead of just tanking direct hits
>>64995248>prima-nocta.jpgJulie Austin.I've seen her naked.Can't really blame ANYONE for wanting her.
visited this place a few years ago, pretty cool place. a lot fucking steeper than it looks, I got vertigo just peeking over the wall.in rough order it was occupied and maintained as a stronghold by Thracian tribes, Romans, Greeks, Goths, various medieval balkan kingdoms, crusaders, Turks, Venetians, Napoleonic French, Nazi Germans and lastly as a radio communications hub for the Croatians during the Yugo warswas also used as a set for Game of Thrones and I visited late in the season and almost nobody was there so the one guy working in the area let me handle and gently swing around a munitions grade halberd from the 1500's(they had tons of em laying around, it wasn't as heavy as I thought it would be)
>>64995663*I should add it was also besieged by a Mongol army and actually withstood it. Those angry horsefuckers couldn't bring up their chinese slaves with their siege machinery cause its equally steep on the other side
>>64995722>that one isolated isletIt must suck being the ones assigned to defend it, it's win or die.
>>64995949>win or die>swim or dieFt4y.
>>64994958>doesn't know about Ludovico di Giovanni de' MediciYeah, I know the Middle Ages were more colourful than currently depicted, but Giovanni de' Medici proves that occasionally you had something such as "the Black Company".>yet the Middle Ages were more colourful than people thinkSomehow. But if you got to the Eagle Tower in Trento and inspect the frescoes of the 12 months, you shall see that most peasants are wearing white-ish fabric, i.e. non-dyed fabric. Cheap stuff, that is.>and yet it was not "the dark age"But I expect Britons to assume most days were grey like they usually are in the British Isles. It's more of a geographical bias.
>>64996052>I expect Britons to assume most days were grey like they usually areThe Dark Ages was not about sunshine, but rather a euphemism for the loss of culture and knowledge of the times.
>>64996065Oh no... not the "culture" of the late Roman empire...
>>64993767Something extremely sovlful about this, I don't know whatI want to live there
>>64996270Sovl...
More cute forts under siege plz
>>64994571Le…lewd
>>64994777But what about zombie giants or god forbid zombie dragons laying siege to your Castle? Have you thought about that and what you will do to save your life from such foes?
>>64996313Why'd the artist think the horse was that big?
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>>64996313Lower right quarter, to the right of the movie crew and below the mouse, cat, and dog shields.
Palmanova was a neat little place
Srebrna Gora, Poland
>>64996503That's Wenda
>>64994918Nobody lived past 30!That's my personal favorite
>>64996313Gottem!
>>64995051Looks like a Darkest Dungeon enemy.
>>64995248>>64995651>Julie Austin.>I've seen her naked.>Can't really blame ANYONE for wanting her.Something about her in that scene.
>>64996313Bless rotten kids
>>64995204Probably not enough material.
>>64995090Thank you for making me laugh with a mouthful of water
This one is my favourite; the Heuneberg oppidum in southern Germany. It was a pre-Roman Celtic citadel that incorporated Mediterranean construction techniques, using brick walls instead of the typical murus gallicus (pic to follow) which were a combination of stonework, earthworks and timber beams that were resistant to fire, undermining and battering rams.The one at Heuneberg is cool because it showcases how Celtic architecture could have evolved if Caesar never invaded north. It even had a well designed geometric street plan and many of the buildings seem to have been workshops and smithies to supply the garrison.
>>64997142An example of a murus gallicusCeltic oppida were all built in an incredibly short amount of time, Gaul was ravaged by invasions of Scythians and then the Cimbri and Teutones before the Romans invaded, and local rulers poured all of their resources into building huge hilltop citadels that were impervious to breaching against barbarian tribes. They represent the concentration of political power in pre-Roman Gaul as many of them must have been constructed with outside labour given archaelogical estimates on the manhours required to build them.They were not typically permanently inhabited but were intended to be used as a refuge in case of an enemy passing through the tribe's territory. They often included huge pasturage, more than actual buildings inside, for refugees to bring their cattle and other livestock to be protected from raiders.
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>>64993767Hasn't that exact location been portrayed in Porco Rosso? That flying boat waystation for pilots to chill, drink and banter? Or am I hallucinating?
>>64997168a reconstruction of an Irish rath, constructed during the early medieval era. Hillforts were more typical in Ireland well into the medieval era but raths were artificial islands built by sinking some large stone foundations into a lake, inserting some wood beams and filling the rest with soil and stones. They were probably refuges for noble families during an era when smallscale cattle raiding was an everyday reality. Their remnants can still be seen today as small islands dotting Irish lakes
>>64997142>Wall is entirely bricksHuh, I thought the preferred method was to brick the outer parts of the wall then fill it with a kind of spoil that sets like concrete. I'd read that that also helps to absorb impacts coming from catapult projectiles.Was I wrong to think that all this time?
>>64997174imo, the most aesthetical pleasing hillfort: Dun Aeonghasa on Inis Mor, Ireland. It was actually built during the Bronze Age on a sheer cliff face and features a huge inner citadel and a massive amount of cheval frise stones leading up the hill to the wall. It probably wasn't built as an actual defensive fortification because the island and surrounding region had and still have tiny populations. It was probably built either as a religious site or else as a demonstration of the wealth of a local leader who made bank trading copper during the bronze age.
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>>64997179There weren't any catapults in Gaul until Caesar showed up. These Mediterranean style walls were probably also a display of power and influence, likely overseen by Greek or Italian architects, to show the king's wealth and connections to Mediterranean markets. Political power in pre-Roman Gaul was based on holding feasts and drinking parties and distributing gifts to attendants in exchange for their military service and political support, and Mediterranean goods and wine were the most valuable gifts to distribute. Building a Greek style settlement would have been a huge sign that you were well connected with the Med world for any wannabe warrior looking to join a good warband led by a rich chieftain. The idea that barbarians hated decadent Roman or Greek goods or culture is some nonsense made up by modern fantasy writers.
>>64993757Cutting those foundations into rock must have been an absolute motherfucker. Did they actually do that, or did they just go down to rock and cement the wall onto it?
>>64997202They probably hated Roman armies marching in with their ideas about "tax" and that the local gods also need to be recognisable as Roman gods.
>>64997156>>64997202Those walls/earthworks remind me of those of the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries. But what was the purpose of this construction if not to withstand impacts? I guess it could fall under terracing in order to create more space on the fortified hills.
>>64996716>wallyhis name is waldo, noguns
>>64997636Rough crowd.
>>64997636You've butchered English language enough as it is.
>>64995949They had smaller wooden walkways to get to and from the outer works.
>>64997172you're hallucinating. porco rosso is set between friuli and the dalmatian coast in the northern adriatic, while that is loreto island on the iseo lake, in lombardy.
>>64996486Why did the artist add a pipe, slice of pie and eyeball? It's just a bit random and uninteresting. This is the opposite of Where's Wally. Wally is horror vacui, whereas this is empty space with the odd item added in to...amuse me?
>>64997763>add a pipe, slice of pie and eyeball>he missed the numeral 2 and firecracker
Outpost on the Turkish Iranian border
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>>64997775Good prison. B court and everything.
>>64997786I'm not an art guy. I guess this means that the joke is deconstructed? The elements, combined or separate, still make no fucking sense to me. The left clowns armor spells "pdo", so that's quite funny, I guess
>>64997690Shakespeare's prose and pronunciation is closer to the Southron tongue than England's vernacular.
>>64997799It's a Turkish military outpost.
>>64997892But why is there so much rape there then? Oh...
>>64997775Retarded turks, the criminal bunch that they are, build military bases that look like prisons, while the french know how to build a proper fort with all the drip necessary for a real military force, even if it is just to fuck with some niggers.
>>64997220Good question. And perhaps one even better: how did they actually built on rock? Take the marked areas in pic rel for example. How did they built the walls of the castle directly unto the rocky outcrop?
>>64998020>HowAliens technology.
>>64994610I visited this place as a kid when I was on a holiday in Saarenmaa with my Dad. Our tour guide said that the castle was where he went in the eighties when he was conscripted into the Soviet military. My Dad asked if he had fun, and the guide had this forced smile on his face when he said "not really".
>>64997220That makes me wonder, does bedrock need to be dug below frostline? I would think not because is not going anywhere or heaving like soil since it's not going to absorb water. Another question, would it make undermining it more difficult, or would that not matter either because it's all rock.
>>64997172That's where my mind went to immediately.>>64997744Porco Rosso is not a fucking documentary my guy, you can take inspiration from locations that are somewhere else entirely in the real world when you make an animated movie. Or a normal movie.
>>64998020Anon, what better ground could there possibly be to stack stones on than rock?What do you even mean?
>>64998020The same way they made the wall of several rocks stacked on each other. Mortar.
>>64994760>>64994829Speaking as someone who is and was raised upper class my experience is that it depends a great deal on the country, but generally the "nicest" section of society will be upper middle class or lower upper class people wealthy enough to be comfortable but not so rich that it makes the completely lose touch with baseline reality. When you start dealing with sums of money that your elon musks and your Bezos have to play with you pretty much always become some variation of a cunt though.
>>64998530Look closely at the walls. The stones and bricks at the base are partly set into the stone. >>64998538So a layer of mortar is directly applied on natural rock?
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>>64999149>So a layer of mortar is directly applied on natural rock?Yes. There might trenches carved in the bedrock. But even lighthouses, that get hammered hard their whole life, don't have any significant anchoring or advanced foundation on rock surfaces.
>>64997763>Why did the artist add a pipe, slice of pie and eyeball?Its his signature. No really, they also double as a little game for regular readers to find them all.
>>64999183>But even lighthouses, that get hammered hard their whole life, don't have any significant anchoring or advanced foundation on rock surfaces.Huh, I would have guessed that those had massive foundations.
>>64999385Yeah its surprising. I guess the shear weight does a lot keeping it unmoved, and mortar gets a hard as the rocks it binds over time.
Fort Glanville. Built due to fears the Russian Pacific Fleet would attack in the late 1800s
>>64999214Kronborg is such a gorgeous citadel. There is a lot of interesting history about it, like the English cannonballs that are embedded in the walls of the central castle structure from the lead up to the Battle of Copenhagen when their ships bombarded it as they sailed past. Or the statue of Holger Danske in the cellars below the castle that is said to come alive in defence of Denmark should it ever be under great threat.There was also some talk of there being people entombed inside the walls of the castle, punishment for treason or something, but no evidence has ever been found to substantiate this as far as I am aware.There is also a great citadel in Copenhagen and the city of Fredericia between Jylland and Fyn is a very interesting planned city designed as a fortress.For something more modern, the old German Army fortifications at Hanstholm in the north of Denmark housed four massive turrets for the same kinds of guns as were mounted on the Bismarck class and the site is matched by a counterpart in Møvik in Norway, just outside of Kristiansand. Both of these sites are great places to visit if you want to see some Atlantic wall history.
>>64995268>>64995248Prima Noctis usually exists as something people accuse others of doing. Obviously *your* lord would never do that sort of thing, but that other lord over there? Something about him seems a bit suspect.Possibly related to prima noctis, however, (and potentially the basis for the rumors) is that if you happened to knock up a peasant girl, you took responsibility by paying her dowry and if possible, arranging her marriage with one of your retainers. Benvenudo Cellini did this while he was in Paris and wrote about it in his memoir. (Really funny passage. The girl was his model and basically goaded him into beating and raping her, the first time it happened he was utterly horrified with himself because he had done a horrible thing, then the next day she came back to his workshop and did the exact same thing with the same result, and after a few weeks it dawned on him that that was just what she was into.)There's also the fact that bastards only became "illegitimate" (unable to inherit the throne) between William the Conqueror and Robert of Gloucester. Nobelwomen were expected to remain faithful and chaste, but everyone else? That's what confession is for.
>>65000019>William the Bastard makes bastards illegitimateCan't make this shit up.
>>65000019>his memoirCarted.
>>64994989It's because they spend most of their time explaining stuff to visiting schoolchildren and tourists (and there are LOTS of those) instead of actually building. That and also adding ideas that weren't planned at the beginning, like how they built a working watermill based on recently found ruins and now they grind their own flour for their bread.Guedelon is such a neat concept, I'm glad it's working so well.
>>64998020>carve the rock to have flat surface>build stone blocks on top Pretty much aliens.
>>64994550Not necessarily.
>>64994822is there a good book full with illustrations like these?
>>65001019FUCK OFF, the house.
>>65001016What do you mean, like these? Castles? I don't know if if these series has more.But this is "Look inside cross sections" series of books. I have quite a few of them and they're great.I have the big A3 format one, and it has 4 page spread with RMS Queen Mary. And a T-34. And u-boot. Most of these books are thematic, be it planes or cars or such.
>>64994724Cannons really hit castle design hard.
>>64995242It's more like you need the right kind of water chemistry to keep the water from dissolving the lead. Like if you use groundwater then the water would have a lot of calcium and that would build up on the pipes. However, if you used rainwater the water would be ironically too pure and have a little carbonic acid in it. Of course, even when you did see lead poisoning it was often so slow that you'd miss the early signs and then be too poisoned to realize something is wrong.
>>65000280Gotta pull the ladder up after yourself
>>64996052>you shall see that most peasants are wearing white-ish fabric, i.e. non-dyed fabric. Cheap stuff, that is.still a sharp contrast with pop culture just making everything mud brown
>>65001478White does tend to stain like that, yes
>>64994995Most castles had cisterns and wells, so they wouldn’t necessarily be drinking tainted water all the time.
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>>64994752He was thinking rounded extrusions have dead zones to rifle fire.
>>65001016There are several. They were a huge part of my childhood.
>>64998020Free masons are powerful because they have alien technology.
>>65002477>they have alien technologyGreys or Reptoids?
>>65002252mine too man
>>64994226Well, he was right. The tower does look nice, even all these years later.
>>64998108kek ah memories of youth...
The Fortress Hohentwiel isn't necessarily cute but it has a very interesting history. It began as a small castle built in the 10th century and by the 17th century became one of the most important fortresses near Lake Constance, southernmost Germany. By the beginning of the 16th century it was bought by the protestant Duke of Württemberg, who earlier sufferend an Imperial Ban and de facto lost control over his duchy. The Hohentwiel became the staging ground for the reconquest of his duchy. This experience led the Duke to further fortify the Hohentwiel so that his family always had a safe refuge - for this he got french subsidies. This decision was vindicated soon as by the middle of the 16th century imperial troops again occupied Württemberg. With this strained relationship towards the emperor it doesn't surprise that by the 30 Years War Württemberg found itself in the camp of the imperial enemies. And while the Dukes of Württemberg were forced to flee towards France and the Duchy again got occupied, the Hohentwiel succesfully withstood five sieges from 1635 to 1644.The funny part is that the fortress commander went rogue in 1637 and disregarded the orders of his duke to evacuate the fortress (who wanted to hand it over to the Emperor in order to get reinstated). From that point onward the Hohentwiel waged its own war and its commander in essence became a robber knight who raided the countryside to maintain his position. He even built a a vertical wind mill for endemic flour production and a church within the fortress. And while the 30 Years War ended in 1648, Hohentwiel still held out until 1650 and its commander was then knighted and became the major of a nearby town.
Here a model of the Fortress Hohentwiel
>>65003695Well this one looks completely unassaultable. Comfy too.Interesting story, thanks.
Predjama castle.
>>65003762Sieges were already really intense during the 16th and 17th centuries. Now imaging laying siege to a mountain.
>>65000976It's one of the best memoirs ever written, get the Oxford edition where the footnotes are full of, "it sounds like he's making this up but he's not" like when he killed Constable of Bourbon during the Sack of Rome in 1527. (He was leading a musket section. He didn't necessarily fire the datal shot but one of his guys did.)This incident also keys into the broader thead of fortifications.
>>65004195Did they build a fort to atack a fort (in the mountain)?
>>64994726Castle for raw survivability.Star fortress for building a community on, since you need living space, a place to grow food, and the ability to clear loitering zombies off the walls if you need to leave.
>>65004257>Oxford editionInteresting. I carted a 1911 "new edition", I'll check it.
>>65004257Wait hold on, you're citing a 16th century diary to discuss a medieval myth of prima nocta?
>>64996065>a euphemism for the loss of culture and knowledge of the timesIt's not really about the loss of culture and knowledge but about fewer (or rather less) written sources available about this timeframe, which is the first centuries of the early medieval period . Anyone who uses this term outs himself as a total normie who gets his education from tv and (((hollywood)))
>>64995663they also used a fake wall to bring in supplies. it was basically a wall but with no mortar between the stones so in daytime it looked solid but it could be taken down during the night
>>65004441Yes. It was a common practice to built counter-fortifications to offend the structures of the siege target. Not only to encircle the siege target but also to have save platforms for your own guns. And to defend oneself from relieve forces.Pic rel is the Siege of Groenlo: in the center the spanish held city with its fortificartions, on the outside the dutch-english encirclement and in between the approach trenches of the dutch-english with additional redoubts.
>>64995242>>64995253The health hazards of lead were somewhat curtailed by a few features of Roman aqueducts.First, the water channel of the aqueduct carrying water to a city would be lined with polished concrete, to lessen erosion and make maintenance easier. The water would flow in lead pipes for only a short distance inside the city. Second, the Romans favored a system of continuous flow. The water would flow off into a sewer/river at the rate it flowed in to the city. Any measure of water you drew from a public fountain for example likely wouldn't have been sitting inside a lead pipe for a long period of time.Third, the Mediterranean region tends to have fairly hard water, which forms a layer of calcium carbonate on the inside of the pipes. So much so they had to be periodically cleaned lest they clog up.This doesn't mean the lead was harmless. Even the architect Vitruvius ca. 20 BC advised against it for a number of reasons, including health risks (De Arch. 8.6.10-11). I read an article in some scienific journal where they measured traces of lead in Pompeiian skeletons found in and outside the city as well as in the bones of 1960/-70s Finnish glassworkers for comparison. There was an elevated amount of lead found in the bones of the city-dwellers, whose water flowed through the lead pipes. I can't for the life of me find the study so I can't cite it in here. Just gotta trust me bro.
>>64994833Tarascon Castle does.https://provence-guide.net/sites/tarascon-chateau/?lang=en
>>64993919I need a wizard tower like this to live in
>>65001015It takes an ungodly amount of time for the crystalline matrix to develop in Roman volcanic concrete, and only a few shapes are truly conducive to not collapsing under their own weight in the meantime.
>>64999385CLAY could be here he thought.I've never build in this neighborhood before. Ther could be CLAY anywhere.The cold wind felt good against his high vis west. "I hate CLAY" he thought.Diggy diggy hole reverberated his entire excavator, making it rumble even as the cheapest beer money can buy circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of settlement in unreconnoitered ground."On rock you can build anything you want" he said to himself, out loud.
Roman lead water pipes is nowhere near as retarded as us putting lead in all our paints and in our fuel.
>>65002252And there was always one guy taking a shit somewhere. It was like finding Waldo.
>>65004686>Even the architect Vitruvius ca. 20 BC advised against it for a number of reasons, including health risks (De Arch. 8.6.10-11). The dangers of lead were well known in the ancient world. There was surprisingly ample medical research performed on slaves working in lead mines.
>>65004704Wow that actually looks pretty ok, I think.Left is the original photo how it looks right now, right I sloppifed it to look more periodic.
>>64995411Yeah it is kind of like how ships for a while had developed thicker belt armor over time until they pretty much stop having any belt armor to begin with.
>>65004515Yes. I'm arguing that the basis for Prima Nocta as a slander againt unpopular nobles or the nobility in general, is (loosely) based on an actual practice from when the nobility knocked up peasant girls that would allow all parties to retain their honor. I'm not arguing that Prima Nocta as it is popularly conceived existed as anything other than slander. To me, the origin of the slander is interesting in its own right because it helps you understand the frame of reference from which it emerged. Dismissing it just because its false is less useful.There weren't a whole lot of revolutionary changes in legal custom from the middle ages to the rennaissance. Things changed, but they were mostly evolutionary instead of revolutionary, being expanded upon and better defined, so the laws and customs Cellini was following when he knocked up the French broad were already well established.Like I said originally, accusations of Prima Nocta, where a noble fucks his vassal's bride on wedding night, were just slander people would use to make the nobility in other places look like backwards savages.The institution it was built off of, paying a peasant girls dowry, was pretty well established by the time Cellini wandered into the scene. There are a lot of things where rennaissance examples wouldn't be useful for medieval history, but for civil law, they can be, especially when the purpose of the example is to show that the practice in question was already well- entrenched.
>>64994804>me on the shitter
>>64999476Finally a polygonal fort.
>>64993847I still wouldn't want to try and storm it.
>>64994226>hypocritesFor not making an otherwise utilitarian structure look like an eyesore?
>>65001015Impressive. Very nice.Let's see how it fares against siege engines.
>>65002234I believe in round towers built on angular bases supremacy
>>64994833>chapelget mogged
>>64994779Why do you retards always say "governor of my state" instead of "the governor of [state]"?
>>64993749he's a little shy around strangers
>>65004257I like the part where the pope is going to give a "unicorn" horn (i.e. rhino) to someone as a gift and Cellini proposes making a sculpture of a horse's head out of gold to mount the horn in and the pope is like, I fucking love it buuuuuuuuuut I don't really like the guy I'm giving this to very much and your rival's lame ass candlestick design would be way cheaper. And Cellini is just like, "well, fuck".
>>65004441They're called counter-castles or siege castles, and I love them.
>>64993767extremely cozy
>>65005731>My First Conan:Exiles base
>>65004686>the Mediterranean region tends to have fairly hard water, which forms a layer of calcium carbonate on the inside of the pipes.They actually "mined" Roman aqueducts during the middle ages because with a little polishing the limescale deposits looked a bit like brown marble.
>>65004869Fun fact: the guy who came up with leaded gasoline is also responsible for CFCs.
>>65004905>I sloppifed itfuck off. someone might repost that as an actual photo and the world will get a tiny bit dumber as a result of your actions.
Calshot Castle, built in 1539, still used for military purposes in 1961
>>65005896That's why I included the original.
>>65005802Not quite. A counter castle is intended to stay there as a permanent structure/threat towards the other castle. Burg Trutzeltz was just errected in a hurry and soon fell into disrepair because nobody cared about it. Additionally a counter castle was also built to "counter" the territorial claim/intensification of another noble - Noble A builds a new castle on his land but close to the border of Noble B and Noble B builds a new castle to just in case cover the newly built castle of Noble A. The smaller forts and redoubts that were built during early modern sieges were not intended to be permant however and were nearly always slighted after the sieges were finished.
>>65005911Isn't that a Martello Tower?
>>64994817My name is Uhtred, son of Uhtred. Destiny is all!
>>64998220Bedrock doesn't have a frost line, it's stone.
>>64993815Broadway Tower reminds me of the Book of the New Sun where the protagonist Severian witnesses a spaceship taking off but he has no frame of reference for that because he grew up on a dying earth with a pseudo-medieval setting, so he describes it as a castle tower rising up.
>>65005896>and the world will get a tiny bit dumber as a result of your actions.Nta, but I refuse to take responsibility for the human race's stupidity. And further more, it is offensively presumptuous for you to asign that responsibility to anyone, besides yourself. Which is just a long way of saying fuck off, but you'll have that.
>>65005919>Fort Drum filename>nothing like search results Wdhmbt?
>>64993919I bet you can recruit black dragons in this one
>>65005632Seeing how similar buildings have fared better than brick and mortar building after US bombs in WW2, I'd say they would be peachy.
>>65006505iykyk
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>>65006505My parents owned 30acres of woodlands at the bottom edge of this map, Upstate was beautiful but fuck NY
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>>65007702this is one of my favourite little fortresses, stone-cold killer, but cute
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>>65007649Maximum comfyness if the trees were removed (which was certainly the case back then).
>>65008056yes it's cute, unless the draw bridge is up and some fucker is raining crossbow bolts down on you
>>64994804I feel ive seen this sketch in a castles&forts book as a kid
>>64993749>forts
>>65005969Calshot's from the 16th-century, Martello Towers are from the 19th, but they were built for the same purpose (coastal defense but with the possibility of attack from the landward side) and it must be hard to beat a two-story circular tower for that. Carcinization in action, I suppose.
>>65006505The other Fort Drum. The one in Manila Bay.
>>65007195>unreinforced concrete is better than brick and mortar constructionAnd wood houses are more durable than straw houses but that doesn't mean they're wolf proof.
>>64993749The Swiss knew how to make 'em
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>>65010620Even the ones disguised as sheds still manage to be charming and scenic.
>>65010609Romans had the ability to teleport from bath to bath, across time. Their enemies would've been decimated from within their own camps.
>>64994558>>64994560>>64994562>>64994564nothing like a small fort in a city
>>65010826Rotterdam?
>>65010840Leiden (on a wednesday)afaik theres nothing left of Rotterdam's fortifications, and whatever old buildings survived the ages were destroyed during WW2
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>>65010826>>65010852schattig
>>65010596The british were inspired to built Martello style towers after their unsuccesful naval attack on the Torra di Mortella on Corsica in 1794. Said tower was also built in the middle of the 16th century so it is more like that England/UK didn't had the need to built such fortifications en masse throughout the 17th and 18th centuries and when they ran into one during the French Revolutionary Wars they again realised the value of those structures.
>>64997181>probably wasn't built as an actual defensive fortificationThose walls look to be about 12-15 feet thick, a bit much just for the sake of show.
>>65006505Outside Manilla, our guys surrendered to ostensibly save lives, not that it did much good with what became of the US servicemen in the Philippines.When we came back, I think we offered them like 1 chance to surrender and then pumped the place with fuel (liquid or gas?) and lit the thing on fire. Since it is pure steel reinforced concrete the only thing it did was liquefy all the Japanese inside. We were beyond done fucking around in Manila and Okinawa.
>>65008885I've always wondered how effective at force projection this would be, but as a lightly garrisoned tripwire/watch tower on the borderlands, you could garrison enough guys in it that any force would want to take it before moving on, but also this would be incredibly costly in time to even take.
Gibraltar is the opposite of comfy and cozy but often overlooked among the great fortifications as far as actual engagements. The great siege of Gibraltar is one of the last great early-modern sieges when guns were at the technology level that it was still closer to a medieval storming than flattening with artillery 4km away. In fact, it may be by default the last, because the end of the Siege coincided with the end of the American revolution. Not to downplay the continental importance, but it becomes clear how much of Spanish and French help was done with imperial aspirations in mind. The rock tunnels cut into the cliffs of Gibraltar had some of the most intense fighting this side of the Ottoman incursions. I will leave some links for you all. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Siege_of_Gibraltar>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Siege_Tunnels>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_Gibraltar>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lines_of_Contravallation_of_Gibraltar
>>65011966https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hochjuvalt_Castleit was a fortified toll booth
>>64993919https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=wainhouse+tower#ebo=0
World's most northern fort
>>65012017you say that like it is a bad thing
>>65015095>In the 17th century, Vardø was the center of a great number of witchcraft trials. More than 90 persons, Norwegian and Sami, were given death sentences. Nice place.
>>65015336not at all, tolls where an important business in medieval times
Castillo de San Marcos, a Spanish built fort at the entrance to St Augustine, Florida. The fort predates the United States by over 100 years.
>>65015678And Fort Matanzas, 13 miles south, built 50 years later to protect a second entrance to the harbor.
I don't need more, I could spend my life here.
>>65015741The mosquitoes will thank you.
Apologies in advance.
>>65015953This is more how it was like.
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>>65015935>>65015963Svaed, thx. Will not let me delete.
Do flakturmes count as forts?
>>65016094How did they convert the middle of the tower where there's no sunlight??
>>64993919why can't the billionaires of today build cool buildings like that? Its always some post modernist garbage that will be torn down in 10 years anyway
>>64998108>tour guide>presumably from estonia>got conscripted in the pidor union>got to serve in estoniamofo was the jackpot winner. Will take estonian station any day over Kamchatka. which was the usual destination for estonian nationals. For the pidor union tyrants were extremely paranoid about single ethnic detachments and possible rebellions that might stem from them. So they always forced recruits to go to the other ass end of the universe from their homes to make them alienated from the local provincials
>>65001019hey, I recognize that wizard fort from baldurs gate 1
>>65001019>>65001040>>65017312Fort designs that scream "Why do I have to live in such a pissant town?"
>castle and tower keeps people out>reverse castle and tower keeps people inPresidio Modelo
>>65017792Why covering it?
>>65017931Hurrican alley. Can't have the gaurds getting wet.
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>>64999401>>64999385Its like a gravity dam. Doesn't make any sense until realize rock is 2.7 times heavier than water
>>65008885>>65015336How would this castle enforce the toll on the river?
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>>65006499>I refuse to take responsibility for my own actions, it's all your faultspiritually brown behavior
>>65021131I think it enforces the toll on that road but I suppose a chain across the river would work.
>>65017302Because most billionaires build things to resell or abuse tax loopholes. The rich of the past actually intended to live in their property so they built what they personally liked.
>>65022264>>I refuse to take responsibility for my own actionsWay to lie about the quote. Requote actual text, or you have a real accountability issue.
>>65022279>The rich of the past actually intended to live in their property so they built what they personally liked.Seaview Terrace in Newport, Rhode Island was the last true mansion built in the US.
Stobnica Castle in Poland, a new construction started in 2018
>>65023726what do they eat?
>>65024743carp and bisons
Cute little coastal fortress. It still has cannon balls embedded in the main tower from coastal barrages and they just kept them there because it looks cool. Älvsborgs new fortress, gothenburg sweden
>>65024753cannon balls in question
>>65001478>Per one observer at the time, the streets were “literally carpeted with a warm, brown matting . . . smelling to heaven.” So-called “crossing sweepers” would offer their services to pedestrians, clearing out paths for walking, but when it rained, the streets turned to muck. And when it was dry, wind whipped up the manure dust and choked the citizenry.That was 100 years ago in New York. Would cities in the middle ages be caked in similar rivers of lifestock manure? Maybe Hollywood is understating the literal brown shit everywhere when they do medieval stuff.
>>65017306Yeah he was Estonian, but he didn't say he got to serve in Estonia, just that the castle was where he went when he was called up. I assume it was the local gathering point or something like that for new conscripts before they were shipped off to wherever.
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>>65025331>>65025338>>65025342Third time's the charm!
>>65022270After checking and translating the german wiki page it turns out that this castle was soley there to enforce the toll on the road - which was an imperial road for that matter. And looking at the location the Rhine isn't really navigable for larger boats (let alone ships) there.>>65024759Well New York in the 1900s was far larger and with far more horses than any medieval city.
>>65024759>Would cities in the middle ages be caked in similar rivers of lifestock manure?In many towns, carriages had to pay a toll to enter. They were used to transport goods, people just walked, so there was much less horseshit in the streets.
>>64993767>>64997172>>64997744Just google porco rosso house and you'll understand why you thought about it.It is basically a hotel built on what could have been a really simple fort, just enough to require good equipment to get in
>>65003782I wish developers looked at REAL FORTS and stopped making silly castle/house half-fused in a mountainous cavern, right next a precipice that will make the whole house crumble, and what those silly extra route that lead nowhere.Real forts don't look like that!
>>64997172You're thinking of Louie's place from Tale Spin
>>65023726It looks cool but it's pretty gay that it's all just facade on modern construction.
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https://twitter.com/namatsuu/status/1671517735979720706>As I'm graduating I thought I'd share some thoughts on my thesis topic. It was about #Japanese #castles as parts of #CulturalHeritage, focusing on recent castle reconstructions. Here is a visual recap of my thesis, which included survey and interview data from around #Japan. 1/
>>65026981https://twitter.com/namatsuu/status/1671519848289935361>Sadly, most of these castles were lost during the Meiji Restoration in the late 1800's. For 300 years castles had dominated the townscape, but they were seen as obsolete feudal relics in contrast to modern, Western architecture, and dozens were ruthlessly demolished. 6/
>>65026986https://twitter.com/namatsuu/status/1671520541356834819>After the war there was a so-called castle boom, during which 50+ castles were reconstructed. But due building regulations and values of the time, these were hastily built out of concrete, making them blatantly ahistorical. Most of the existing tenshu are made of concrete. 8/
>>65026988White nationalist Jared Taylor's book "Shadows of the Rising Sun", published in 1983 on how Japanese piss in the streets in public.Japan only stamped this out recently.
>>65026990https://x.com/tofugu/status/810318803414515712>How the #Japanese government destroyed 80,000 Shinto shrines in the Meiji era. https://tfg.li/stateshintohttps://www.tofugu.com/japan/state-shinto/>That wasn't the end of it. Shrines with long histories were transformed from celebrating local heroes, legends, or natural spirits to celebrating whatever had propaganda value to the state. So the shrine that paid respect to a powerful tree for a hundred years would suddenly be paying respect to a war hero with no connection to the original shrine.>Finally, in 1906, the Imperial government announced it would only provide funds for one shrine per village3. That one shrine usually reflected state interests.>You might think Shinto would have experienced a revered or elevated status during this time, but instead, it was blighted and under siege. During the Meiji era's most aggressive wartime expansion, 80,000 local shrines disappeared4, consolidated into those that followed state guidelines. (For some perspective, that's the total number of Shinto Shrines in Japan today.)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine_Consolidation_Policy
>>65026988>>65027000https://twitter.com/namatsuu/status/1671520541356834819After the war there was a so-called castle boom, during which 50+ castles were reconstructed. But due building regulations and values of the time, these were hastily built out of concrete, making them blatantly ahistorical. Most of the existing tenshu are made of concrete. 8/https://twitter.com/FPresencia/status/1631253085283663872THIS. So Japanese companies builds a castle and it's "fake", but the "classic ones" that are really just reconstructions? In all my tours they were presented as the original ones. This would be such a blasphemy in Europe lolhttps://twitter.com/FPresencia/status/1631582335568052225Kinkaku (golden wall temple) for example, it was only the 3rd time or so I went there that the guide told us it was a reconstruction. The Osaka castle main tower, the famous one, is from the 30s apparently (as in, 1930s). And Nagoya castle is new from WWII.https://twitter.com/UnseenJapanSite/status/1631202910762835968>A fake castle in Akabira, Hokkaido. During the excesses of the bubble era, multiple entities with excess cash on their hands built such castles. This one was a showroom and production facility for a doll company.https://twitter.com/CJV_en/status/1539126159421878273An awesome shot of what appears to be Sensoji Temple in Asakusa, Tokyo, through the green summer leaves!The pagoda was first erected in 942 and since then it has been destroyed and rebuilt several timesThe current pagoda was rebuilt in 1973#Japan #Photographyhttps://twitter.com/ClintonGodart/status/1721014672726667271Did you know the famous Kaminarimon at Sensōji has a plate honoring Panasonic? The gate burned down in 1865, only rebuilt in 1960. It was supported by Panasonic's founder, Matsushita. He was friends with Shimizutani Kyōjun, Sensōji's priest, who prayed to Kannon for his health1/2
>>65027001https://twitter.com/Gilded_app/status/1434699380313972738Did you know that the Kinkakuji or the “Golden Pavilion” located in Kyota, Japan has a rooftop that is made out of #realgold and was rebuilt in 1955 after it had been burned down?: IBolat_caesarTokyo is all modern glass, steel, concrete with not a single real historical sitehttps://twitter.com/AhmedSh63073776/status/1655531196250464258Japan destroyed its own culture in the Meiji restoration. Tons of Japanese castles and temples were destroyed and replaced by concrete copies for western tourists.Japan also destroyed their own traditional burial and eating habits and adopted cremation and eating dairy from westerners.>>>/his/15159408desuarchive.org/his/thread/15158610/#q15159408Japanese also regularly pissed in public until recently.
