Tell me everything about the Kriss vector.
>>64993874Hands down best assault weapon in modern warfare 2
>>64993887ACR* ftfy
>>64993874A FA w/can is a fun .45 range toy. A full size semi looks cool but is just a stupid heavy PCC with lackluster ergos. It's a meme and that's all it'll ever be.
>>64993874I don't like the scope height it will give a really bad trajectory illusion
>>64993904What are some actually good guns
>>64993874I love the V2 can, just fold the stock and spray some niggas
>>64993874I know the airsoft forward grip and muzzle stand-off attachment fit and work on the actual gun.
>>64993887Vector + silencer + coldblooded + ninja Unbeatable in FFA but makes it painfully obvious how many assholes are hacking
It has the lowest bore axis of any firearm in the world, according to Kriss.
>>64993874I hear that it has some reliability issues when dirty, and it gets very dirty very fast if you use a frt. I still kind of want one.
You can tell they gave a shit about ergonomics, which is why AR guys will hate it.
Almost bought one but got a stribog instead.
>>64994937blessed stribog enjoyer. What generation/caliber?
>>64993874loved this lil' nigga in MW2
>>64994946I had never even heard of it. I picked it up and it felt rightA3 in 9
>>64995009Curious, I also have an A3 (in 45 also from GO) and the white logo/text is different on our guns.
>>64995070When did you get it? I no shit bought it a few days ago. When I looked it up I noticed that too with online models. So either I got a really old version or the newest version with different text. I don't know which is which since I literally never heard of it or the company.
very cutevery autistic
>>64995110Mine's marked 2024 but I bought it within the past year, it looks like this. Must've sat on the shelf for a while.
>>64993874Well, it's a gun.
>>64995110>>64995145also they make handguns, which are fully ambi and which were utilizing a "modern" FCG long before American manufacturers caught on. But they are much more popular for their carbines for sure.
>>64993874It just seems so incredibly odd.It sort of steals the idea from the old czech Scorpion....but kills all the ergonomic benefits of thet design.The weird tilting bolt action is only meaningful if you save space with it. But it's so incredibly enormous, that it can't go inside the grip, so anything that could be built up on that as a benefit goes into the toilet.If I recall correctly there's a pistol caliber carbine, that's set up like an AR, with a foldable stock, that's ALMOST a sensible size PDW that you can stuff into a very big coat.It has an unironic niggger ebonics model name, hence why I can't recall it.But form factor-wize it's smaller than this, and less cluttered.If they could make this into a broomhandle mauser-like design, with some part of the action stuffed into the empty grip, to handle something like a 454 Casull, with a simple blowback that could be interesting. tl;dr You need to squeeze more mechanical advantages out of this design to make it worth the sacrifces for its immense form factor.Also, autistic millenial women seem to like these.
>>64993874>requires FRT for any enjoyment>.45 and 10mm are expensive>requires frequent cleaning to function properly>disassembly is a tedious and time consuming task
Garbage rod direct blowback reverse bullpup that looks really, really cool
>>64993874looks like a subway map. how can i get to the met from times square
>>64995357And unfortunately the FRT is a shitshow with the main sellers advice being "press your finger against the side of the trigger and it'll work better"
>>64993874I almost bought one when they were way more expensive but the slow-mo video of every single part of it rattling when fired gave me cold feet
>>64996075Saying the same thing I always do, just drill the nono hole.
>>64993874it's like a .45 cal/ .40 cal SMG that was supposed to be part of the generation with the UMP, arguably the P90 and MP7 too but I can see putting them in a different gen, that was supposed to replace the MP5. The major problem is that the kriss is a big heavy hog and by the time everyone actually replaced the MP5 piston driven ARs were short enough, reliable enough and new 5.56 ammo good enough (and not M855 black hawk down nonsense) that there's no reason to use a .45 acp SMG when you can use an AR with 5.56 at the same weight and size. It's also not even like the MP5s were the goat because they were full auto. MP5s were used on full auto, but the big reason why MP5s were so popular is because they were closed bolt and you could basically use them as a very short rifle that was super accurate out a little past 100 meters
>>64994305why the fuck would you need a magnified optic on a .45 cal smg?>>64994010MP5AR15AR15 but with a pistolAR18/180
>>64994010Ishapore 2A1K31Vz-58
>>64994936Sort of, from what I've heard there is a screw right where you want to hold it that gets pretty hot and holding it where they want you to hold it gets pretty dicey with big hands and a short barrel.
My dork wife is pretty cute
>>64996248>chinks still can't get gun scale correctShe's 7 feet tall I guess.
>>64996257>She's 7 feet tallh-hot
>>64996125that's probably why they usually have foregrips. foregrips are almost always about either not having room to grab the barrel or the barrel/handguard getting hot as fuck and not about recoil management.I think the only other exception is if you have to hold an M4 all day the vfg gives you a better wrist position at low ready
>>64996084>What is the practical upshot of voltron being made of lions?Because it looks cool.
>>64993874He broke up with Ruth and lost the steakhouse in the divorce
>>64994010There aren’t any
>>64993874its reason to exist is a FRT, and you better live in a state that allows them or ignore the gun altogether>theres a bunch of YT videos on it I can't be assed to find for you
>>64996019It's not direct blowback, there's a mechanical advantage system at work. It's off-axis so it would make the thing jump around vertically if it didn't weigh ~8 lbs.
>>65001598It's direct blowback. The off-axis bolt travel is kind of neat but doesn't mean it's delayed blowback.
>>65001667The track geometry gives it mechanical advantage against the bolt, as a delaying mechanism. Lugers aren't direct blowback either.
>>65001699It doesn't, though. There are off-axis designs that do, but the mechanism in the Vector doesn't. The reason that it's off-axis is so the bolt mass impacts the bottom of the frame to counteract recoil, not to reduce the mass of the bolt.
>>65001699There's no delay or locking mechanism at play, it isn't toggle. It just goes a different direction. Still DBB.
>>65001712>>65001798It does, the angle of the cut on the weight in which the bolt rides gives a significant advantage to the spring, in that the weight has to compress the spring a lot to let the bolt move only a tiny bit, before changing the angle to let the bolt move more freely. That's a delayed blowback system.
>>65005645It has no more resistance than a standard straight blowback spring system. Go weigh the bolts.
>>64993874autistically fast RoF.Cool recoil system
>>65006584>The KRISS Vector’s Super V Recoil Mitigation System is a delayed blowback operating system with a small bolt carrier group connected to a low mass slider guided by channels in the frame that run perpendicular to the barrel.Straight from their website. If you look at the channel on the sliding vertical mass you can see the change in the slope of the channel. This would add an initial hesitance to the bolt opening.
>>65006658Right. Now go weigh the bolt mass vs straight blowback instead of quoting marketing material.
>>65006665You're an idiot.Bolt mass is pretty meaningless in this case.The Kriss is basically a lever delayed blowback with a non-traditional lever.
>>65006669Right, let me do it for you then. Here's some I pulled off the shelf, I shouldn't have to explain to you why bolt mass is important in this equation so we'll skip over that for now. SBB:>Cx4 27.87>Linda 21.13>S2K 19.86DBB:>Calico 7.62>TP9 11.08Vector sits at 16.65. To reiterate, changing the vector doesn't make it delayed. Any mechanical disadvantage in doing so is negligible and the mass is doing the work, aka SBB.
>>65006669>It's delayed blowback but the delay doesn't let the bolt weigh any lessSo what was the point?
>>65006734Changing the geometry of the inclined plane changes the relative acceleration of the two components. This leads to a delay of the bolt opening.The vector is a delayed blowback. It's plainly obvious if you look at the internals and have a grade school education.>>65006741Recoil is time dependent. Add time and felt recoil is less.
>>65006761That's not how it works. Bolt actions would have no recoil if it was.
>>65006771You're a fucking idiot.
>>65006782Okay, I'll try and explain it to you. Straight blowback guns have higher recoil because of the mass of the bolt bottoming out against the frame. Delayed blowback guns have less recoil because the delay allows them to have lower bolt mass, not because of any voodoo delaying the recoil.
>>65006790Recoil is not dependent on bolt mass though.
>>65006794>reciprocating mass doesn't influence recoilOkay.
>>65006794It is. Bullet momentum and the momentum of the reciprocating mass when it hits the frame are the the two sources of recoil. The point of the Super V system is to arrange those forces so they partially cancel each other out.
>>65006815>>65006819Momentum of the entire system.The bolt is not recoilling in free space it is directly pushing on the rest of the system via springs and other parts in contact.If you add time to the bolt travel the over all energy is the same but the force of the recoil is less.
>>65006832Yes, if you have a very long recoil spring with a light bolt then it never impacts the frame and you end up with the Ultimax. However, for most guns, the reciprocating mass is stopped abruptly and transfers its momentum in a very short impulse, which is perceived as additional recoil.Also I forgot the mention the gas jet escaping the muzzle as a source of recoil, reversing it is how muzzle brakes work.
>>65006839In most guns the bolt or carrier never impacts the frame, you can check this by looking for peening or impact marks.. In almost every gun the spring is also never completely collapsed. Every force put on the face of the spring is equal to the force the spring puts on its seat. Recoil is based on the momentum of the entire system, not just one piece.
>>65006846>In most guns the bolt or carrier never impacts the frame???The number of constant recoil guns can be counted on two hands.
>>65006584>standardCould you define the standard, please? Metric or imperial, either is fine.
I think it's the best SMG in CoD Ghosts, for close range
