"The T-72 is the worst tank ever made."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKwC7E9g78
>>64995645He's a pretty funny guy but is there any truth to what he says?
>>64995653Sometimes, but he also takes extreme positions because he knows it will piss people off and get engagementHe also is politically captured so anything that touches on or near the current day gets colored as a result(I haven't watched this vid so no idea what he on about)
>>64995645He is british and a homosexual
>>64995645that commie faggot never set a foot outside, let alone have any experience with tanks
I watched the video. It's entertainment, hell I even enjoy it because sometimes it's fun to hear people ramble. Whatever he says might even be correct, and he might even have receipts for it, but he builds an extremely partisan narrative. Idk if he does that for comedic effect, for engagement purposes, or because he's a retard that's no better than the people he criticizes, but the end result is that you can't take any of his videos as veritable sources of anything.>>64995673>commie faggotIronically he spent half the video criticizing the soviets like all of their dysfunction was due to an intrinsic ideological fault of communism, ignoring the fact we're talking about the human tragedy that Russia is and always has been since recorded history.
>>64995672... And he has a long history of ripping apart the assholes of russian men, literally as well as figuratively.>>64995653>any truth to what he says?Generally, yes.He is however a deliberate provocateur, known for blatant rage-baiting.He has also been blatantly wrong when discussing the technical aspects of some systems in the past (T-14 video). Such incidents have caused pro-vatnik shills to rabidly dogpile him with criticism and decry everything he says as wrong and invalid, because he fucked up a 20-second long segment of an hour-long video where vatnik shills (Often Serbs for some reason), failed to refute any single one of his claims.
>>64995705Apart from his F-35 video every other video is literal NAFO shitslop. Highly incorrect with dated takes.
>>64995645Meh the dude has a pretty spotty track record when it comes to facts.Besides I have a hard time believing that the T-72 is worse than the T-62.
>>64995703right he's a homosexual socialist, not a commiehe's gay and fat and british, that part is true
>>64995645why does anyone watch this retarded communistespecially after he got btfo about king tiger engines
>>64995645Historically accurate take.Every war they ever participated in they have been absolutely shit on.
>>64995653>He's a pretty funny guyNot really.>is there any truth to what he says?It's British tabloid tier. Maybe a smidgen of truth hidden in tons of exaggeration and just general falsehoods, keep in mind that he can't read Russian so he can't understand any primary sources. The fact that people claim that he's a "provocateur" should tell you everything that you need to know if you're actually interested in serious research. His T-14 Armata video is one of the worst videos on the topic, so bad that someone else had to swoop in and make a video correcting him that lasts almost the entire runtime of the original. He's one of those NAFO guys which wouldn't matter much (a lot of historians are pro-Ukraine) but it very clearly infects his entire body of work and taints it with a very clear anti-Russian bias due to the war, which makes his videos unreliable at best to glean accurate information from. He also thinks the Challenger 2 is the greatest MBT ever fielded.
>>64995653He's an entertainer more than anything so don't take the things he says as being autistically accurate. If you actually want to get deep into shit you'll find out things like how the T-72 has a shittier protection for the turret ring compared to the T-64 and T-80 for no real reason beyond Kartsev+UVZ being a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals when it comes to design decisions.
>>64995703>Whatever he says might even be correct, and he might even have receipts for it,He was right about the Armata>Why is the tank screaming?
>>64995645>LazerPig says
reeeing about armata not being modern enough was a moot point in the grand scheme of things but no show non standardized tank is absolutely truecultural Marxism is shit and his video about it is wrong >did you know... US STATES HAD EUGENICS PROGRAMS? once you learn this you'll suitably question SOCIETY until you're communist and that's rationaljust another communist who needs to make himself a nuisance to get his message outcall me when he makes that George patton video he wanted. I really want to know why he thinks George is a retard. If he mentions modern perceptions of him as macho it's entirely useless because it's like saying coke sucks because they use polar bears as mascots
>>64995751>clear anti-Russian biasBut reality has an anti-russian bias, so its hard to avoid.
>>64995665>>64995672>>64995673>>64995710>>64995724>>64995712>>64995751vatnik shills
>He called out the discord brigades lol
>>64995672How does it feel that you're gonna be annexed by all your neighbors in the next couple of decades?
>>64995653There is usually a tiny grain of truth that is stretched to extreme lengths with a lot of his interpretations is taking facts out of context. If he was playing things up for comedic effect it would be different but he genuinely believes a lot of his ill informed non fact checked info he spouts is true and instead of looking into sources in more detail will double down on what he has said when challenged. It is impressive that he has managed to get Gun Jesus, the Chieftain and Drac all call him out for being retarded though. >>64995672You said British twice?
>>64995653He's accurate but not precise. Lazerpig is an entertainer and dives deep into hyperbole but I've never caught him in a provable lie. Mistakes, yes, which Lazerpig acknowledges, but no flat out lies. He'll give you the general direction but don't start quoting the Pig as gospel.
>>64995645Just a reminder that Lazerpig is an entertainer and that you really should follow up with your own research rather than taking funny gay man at his word
>>64995645>it's another zigger falseflag threadgreat.
i would find the humor in his videos entertaining if he didn't screech about le opressed gays or trannies every two seconds. filled with hyperbole, often wrong, and yet it's not very hard to dunk on russian hardware because it really is that shit.
>>64995724>this retarded communistthe video is him ripping the communism system, the soviets in particular but also communist hungary too, wrapped in the veneer of being a tank video.i think it's safe to say that he isn't a fan.
>>64995777Absolutely checked. Imagine voluntarily watching troonslop instead of literally anything else. The fact this person is even brought up on this board is a fucking disgrace.Anyone who scrolls past the dozens of expertly made professional content outlines mapping total zigger death every day with sources and deciding the gay discord retard is the vehicle you need to consume this information with should be immediately euthanized
>lazerpigThis shit is nothing more than loud sounds and screen flashing for underageb&s
>>64995653He's usually quite hyperbolic and a bit of a rage baiterSo he'll take a reasonable point - T72 wasn't all that great when introduced and is mostly obsolete today - and push it to an extreme. "T72 is LITERALLY the WORST tank EVER MADE"So, personally, I'd listen to what he has to say, but I'd filter it all through that lens. When he says something is horrible, awful, abysmally dogshit, literal aids, it probably means it's like 4-5/10
>>64995645>Armchair Warlord says>Lazerpig says>Lindybeige saysThe three anti-oracles. Always wrong about the future, the present, and the past, respectively.
>>64995645>fat red plague simp is rightI guess a broken clock etc etc etc. Now next do a ramble on the piece of shit BMP. Absolutely atrocious design, even back in its inception, that should have never left the prototype stage
I think it's kinda silly how LazerPig is on the one hand adamant that all variations on left-wing political movements, including social ones, past and present, weren't and aren't REALLY being bankrolled or influenced by the Soviet Union or the CCP in any way -- that's purely a right-wing viewpoint -- and is at the same time willing to assert that the current wave of right-wing politics was fabricated entirely by Putin's Kremlin, without irony. Not even talking about the idea of individual right-wing influencers or politicians being paid off, mind you. This fat mofo thinks "Fewer grooming gangs in the UK, please" and "Stop transing the kids, a lot of them will grow out of it on their own" was thought up by a Russian thinktank.It hurts his credibility.
>>64995645lazerpig is an alcoholic, english faggot. I don't really care to entertain the opinions of those with objectively incorrect worldviews.
>>64996089he's mocked left wing tankies in the past, you're stupid
>>64996089*socialist onesJust to elaborate on why I think this is silly, I think both sides (I know, "LE BOTH SIDES" -- bear with me) make the mistake of thinking that Russia wants us to be more right-wing and China wants to make us into communist countries. That may have been true of the international-minded communists during the Cold War to an extent (though keep in mind even back then the USSR clearly prioritized Russian culture; and the CCP now is just Chinese nationalist with the socialist crap as window-dressing, not that they were particularly nice as "genuine" socialists either), but as of today both Russia and China just want us at each other's throats and will signal-boost extreme politics on both sides to make Western countries weaker and more divided.Because, I mean, why Putin for instance WANT America or European countries to operate uniformly as right-wing nationalist autocracies? LazerPig will tell you that Putin wants us to be as brutal and savage as he is, but if that were the case, he'd be put at a disadvantage.
>>64995751>very clear anti-Russian biasHe was crying like a bitch that so many femboys died on Moskva
>>64996097He'll call out individual leftist tankies and dispute their statements in a vacuum if they contradict something he believes (i.e. the obvious of "Ukraine is in the right vs. Russia") but he refuses to acknowledge picrel as an inevitable consequence of wokeness as an ideology. I'm not even expecting him to give up faggotry and become an Electric-type conservative overnight but it boggles the mind that he can't see how political movements which are anti-Western as a plank lend themselves to "However opposes America must be in the right".
>>64996106>However opposes America*WhoeverFuck me.Anyway as he said anything about Trump vs. Iran?
>>64996106>wokeness as an ideologywhat does this even mean?>anti-Westernhuh? "don't murder unarmed suspects in handcuffs", taxing rich people and single payer healthcare aren't anti-western. What does "western" even mean to you?
>>64996110probably just a deep belly laugh about how fucking stupid he is for starting a war with Iran with 0 plans on how to keep Hormuz open. Just unbelievable stupidity.
>>64995645>Looks inside "The T-72 Sucks (Part 1): The Whacky World of Soviet Tank Development">Expect the video to be about the whacky T-72 development history and how the soviets ended up with 3 different tanks that have the same gun.>It is actually about the T-54/55 and T-62!?>46:05>Start talking about muzzle velocity and lazerpig somehow mixes up two different things, chance of detecting an opposing tank and the chance of scoring a hit on the opposing tankIs Lazerpig retarded? Even a child understands the concept of a faster projectile is better then a slower projectile when it comes to scoring a hit. The insult "You throw like an girl" is real and it is based on science. Women have a weaker upper body strength so when they throw something it is gona have a slower velocity and a greater arch unlike men that throw it faster with a flater trajectory.https://youtu.be/WDs5oQW1vNA?t=1909>Chieftein try the auxiliary sight on the m1 in a vidya simulation since it is pure old school tank gunner sight>APFSDS>2 rounds for t-72 at 1900 meters and 1 round for bmp at battlesight range 1200 meters>HEAT> 4 rounds for heat at a bmp at about 1400~ metersIn one of the how to fight series training video that talk about the T-62 the instructor even mention that soviet T-62 crews tend to battlesight their gun instead of using the range finding scale. Lazerpig should have heard that if he paid attention to the video.https://youtu.be/cJfvIOAs-2o?t=872So I have to ask this again but is Lazerpig retarded? I only like him because he makes vatniks seethe with his communism suck rants but I dont even want to hear him myself when he open his mouth and starts talking about tanks. There is even a 5 part series some redditor made to show how wrong lazerpig is about the T-34 and the redditor have a good amount of sources to back his arguments.https://old.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/10mhuvv/the_t34_is_not_as_bad_as_you_think_it_is_part_15/
>>64996126>>wokeness as an ideology>what does this even mean?Oh for fucks sake nigger. Do you really think nobody knows what you're doing?>you can't neatly define "wokeness" so it doesn't exist and you shouldn't worry about itDestructive ideologies more often than not AREN'T particularly coherent and even less are uniformly followed by their adherents. You could spend all day poking holes in the internal logic (or lack thereof) of the current strain of Russian nationalism (i.e. putting Stalin's visage in a church) but you can't seriously then say "Well nobody possibly believes in this, so it isn't worth worrying about or even critiquing" as a takeaway.
>>64996079BMP-2 is my favorite IFV, not because it's good but because I like it's looks. I want one I can race around a paddock and run over old cars with.If I'm ever sent into combat in an IFV I want it to be the Boxer.
>>64996150>The insult "You throw like an girl" is real and it is based on science. Women have a weaker upper body strength so when they throw something it is gona have a slower velocityThrowing like a girl has nothing to do with strength or velocity, it's a specific motion. It means swinging your elbow forward first and then throwing with just your forearm. About two thirds of men know how to throw instinctively, for the other 1/3 and basically all women it's a matter of trying to approximate what throwers do. The proper throwing technique with the elbow leading turns into two separate motions with the elbow swinging forward first and then a short arc with the forearm.This is why coed throwing sports don't exist and why girls' sports like softball use alternative throwing techniques that aren't instinctive to anyone.
>>64996212>About two thirds of men know how to throw instinctively, for the other 1/3 and basically all women it's a matter of trying to approximate what throwers doI wonder why throwing is instinctive for men but not for women, I guess it goes all the way back to the stone age where men hunted with throwing spears or before that when humans started throwing rocks to fight other animals.
>>64996167thank you effort posterthank you'woke isn't a real label' is the height of disingenuous posting
>>64995645Is this the same faggot who made a 2.5 hour video rambling about culture war bullshit only idpol retards care about?
Lazerpig is the model of the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect, and I've whined about this before. If you don't know much about a topic you'll likely find his videos entertaining and informative, but anyone who does is likely to find either blatant errors or that Lazerpig often fails to comprehend the full picture of a subject. For me this hit in his video on the WWI commerce raider duel, which had most of the pieces and facts present but was very much put together without an understanding of how naval warfare of the period really worked.The infamous Armata engine debacle is another example of the problem, Lazerpig's defense of his error was that he was reading a technical document/chart incorrectly due to a difference in how engine torque was measured. The problem isnt that he made that mistake, its that for him to think that figure was in any way even remotely possible shows a lack of understanding of the topic. It'd be akin to someone claiming something like "AR15s fire .223, or the massive 5.56 which is 24 times more powerful". Sure it is reasonable to make a mistake in understanding the measurements, but it shows you don't understand guns and any claim you make about them is suspect
>>64996212I actually didn't know that. I thought most girls knew how to throw but because they are weaker they cant throw as far or with the same force as men but the fact they actually dont know how to throw instinctively like 2/3 of men does change the "You throw like an girl" insult for the remaining 1/3 of men.Now I know, thanks for the info anon.
>>64995645Why are you giving this faggot audience? We already know the T-72 sucks, we don't need a thread for this, much less a thread discussing videos made by a known pederast.
>>64995705Rarely have I seen a more thourough seal clubbing than the one he got from Red effect about the T-14 X engine.>t. Mechanical Engineer
>>64995751>defending the armata >in 2026Retard >>64996150To get to why the T72 is shit you have to explain why all the predecessor tanks were also shit
>>64996414Red effect is also a massive retard. So it's really just watching two morons slap each other. The engine is the least of the Armata's problems. The fact that it STILL hasn't deployed should be proof enough.
BUY AN AD, FAGGOTUYANADFAGGOT
>>64996442I haven't watched enough of Red Effect to get an opinion of him and I'm sure that overall, the T-14 is a turd. That being said, unless Red Effect competely made up multiple aspects of the X engine used in the T-14, there is no way that Laserpigs claim that it is a derivative of a Nazi engine actually makes sense.> Different bore spacing> Tunnel crank vs conventionnal crank> Liquid cooled vs aircooled> Not to mention the other stuff
>>64996403Because LP is a fag also and he wants the fat cunts PP in his bum.
>>64996433>To get to why the T72 is shit you have to explain why all the predecessor tanks were also shitBut this taking way too long and is a detour not worth the time. Talking about the infighting between kharkov and nizhniy tagil alone could take an hour since there is so much insane bullshit behind the creation of the T-72. I see lazerpig linked a btvt article about the T-64, T-72 and T-80 devlopmental history in the 70's ( https://btvt.info/7english/1973_%D0%A2-64_history_eng_1.htm ) so I was expecting to see some graphes showing the inferior reliability of the T-72 to show up but no, I have to wait for part 2 for him to actually start talking about the T-72 indirectly by talking about the T-64 first.My zoom zoom brain cant handle the wait.
>>64996414>>64996442>>64996467didn't the Chieftain criticize him and he threw a drunken fit over it
>>64995645Didn’t he accidentally leaked his homemade scat porn on his discord or I am confusing him with another breadtuber?
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>>64995705>He has also been blatantly wrong when discussing the technical aspects of some systems in the past (T-14 video).He was wrong with nothing important or serious, he just retardedly said incorrect specs of torque/hp for the engines. However the main attack against the faggot was that "hurr-durr russians totally didn't clone the X-engine from a german WW2 tank", even so this fact isn't even denied in russian military enthusiast circles lmao.
>>64996442>>64996467RedEffect is a commie glazing retard.The fact that a german WW2 engine was cloned is an open secret and readily admitted on russian websites. But retards somehow think that shit always gets cloned 1:1 or else it doesn't count lmao.
>>64996079>ramble on the piece of shit BMPNice seating space it has, yes
>>64995653>is there any truth to what he sayswho can say
>>64996172this but with a BTR-60I would install a water cannon and use it to terrorize local yacht clubs
>>64996788Urals and A models still being around for 2022 is really pathetic
>>64995645>5 minutes in>no point made>still making meme references/k/ has shit taste
>>64996782>When your IFV seating is perfectly built for modern day russian lolis.Really shows how small and short the typical russian conscript was in 1960 when the BMP hit the field and was considered modern.From the thesovietarmourblog on the BMP-1>"In the U.S, tests of a captured Syrian BMP-1 trophy from the 1973 Yom Kippur war found that the ergonomics of the passenger compartment met the minimum human engineering standards used by the U.S Army. The BMP-1 was deemed to be acceptable for accommodating only 30th percentile American men, whereas the M2 Bradley was designed to accommodate 95th percentile soldiers under the same standards, using ANSUR (U.S. Army Anthropometric Survey) data from the 1970's. Height was given the most attention in the passenger compartment design, but the seating space was still extremely tight in terms of length and width, especially if the passengers wore their standard PASGT gear."Imagine trying to wear pic related inside the BMP-1 and then try and dismount while under fire.
>>64995751>He also thinks the Challenger 2 is the greatest MBT ever fieldedHuh? I watched that video and he basically acknowledges it’s designed (like a lot of bong hardware and doctrine) to back up the U.S. and that it’s best role in Ukraine is essentially as a QRF role zipping around and sniping enemy vehicles and positions while they are already engaged in battle.
I've barely started but it's funny the way he uses the word tankie in a more dated way to mean uber online nazbol instead of it's more contemporary political usage. No twitter tankie would believe that feminism ruined video games.
>Muzzle velocity has nothing to do with how easy it is to aim a gunYes it fucking does, especially as ranges increase.How fucking retarded is this gay nigger?
>>64995791correct and based
This thread seriously lacks russian tower tossing webms.
>>64995645Xir having a tantrum and flinging shit at The Chieftain (a man who has spent his entire adult life crawling around armor) will never not be funny considering Xir has zero irl experience in the subject other than 'I totally wrote a paper and the Bri'ish MOD totally had me working on top sekret stuff guise'. Also don't feed me that 'oh he is just an entertainer' shit. He wouldn't have thrown so many temper tantrums if his shit was just for lulz. He treats his shit sooper dooper cereal.
You are now reminded that this dipshit thought that the Armata's engine is a copy of the Sla.16, despite them not even sharing the same number of fucking cylinders.Also for some dumbass reason he thought the Porsche Tiger used the Sla.16.
>>64996150>46:05>Is Lazerpig retarded? Even a child understands the concept of a faster projectile is better then a slower projectile when it comes to scoring a hit.He literally says the T62 has a small advantage in this category over its contemporaries but that it but it doesn't matter because the situations where this is the deciding factor are rare and the overall tank is much worse. Pay attention.
>>64995645To be fair, the T-72 was one of those M3 Lee situations where it was objectively worse than the tank already in the drafting room (T-64) but was easier to push out into the front lines where a modernish tank was needed immediately. The fact the USSR kept making it instead of phasing it out for the T-64 the way they did the T-10 tanks boggles the mind.
>>64996079The BMP-1 sounded like a good idea at the time. It was an amphibious assault vehicle that wasn't slow as molasses that could fill the roles of both APC and light tank.It's just, the USSR pushed it way out of its niche trying to use a specialist vehicle as a workhorse.
>>64995791Hi lazerpig
>>64995645I hate him, such awful content. He gets a lot wrong because he listens to memes. The T-72 is a good late cold war tank. No it isn't the best, but it isn't awful. Anyway not watching this video of his.
>>64995645He doesn't actually talk about the T-72 in this btw. The entire video is about soviet bureaucrats altering facts so they don't get sent to the gulag. Also I had to put it on x1.25 speed because he talks so slowly, as if he was trying to extend the run time as much as possible - see also the amount of times he repeats himself. The obvious bait that he adds in to drive engagement on top should tell you he doesn't actually give a fuck, this is his job now and he just wants the biggest numbers.
>>64996985>'I totally wrote a paper and the Bri'ish MOD totally had me working on top sekret stuff guise'When did he say this? He's a former chef.
>>64995751>keep in mind that he can't read Russian so he can't understand any primary sourcesDo you think google translate isn't a thing?But more to the point, a significant chunks of his video runtime is about how a lot of "primary sources" are nonsense because they're not viewed with proper context and people like to cherry pick. I agree with the rest of what you've said mostly, but that part really is irrelevant.>>64996912I think his overall point was that it doesn't have enough of an impact compared to things like better range finders, ballistic computers, sights etc. Obviously better velocity is an advantage, but as velocities get higher you get diminishing returns that mean investment would be better placed in other aspects.>>64997102I don't remember the exact video but he did once say he did some intelligence stuff for the MoD, I think it was the same video where he talked about his Russian boyfriend. But honestly I don't know if I believe any of his claims because he's a drunken rambling moron and drunks are not to be trusted to be honest (just like any other addict).
Lol, I love him, he makes the tankies and serboids so mad. Like I don't even have to watch his videos, I can just enjoy the seethe hereAnd you can see the limited range of responses they and their jeet friends have. He spends literally an hour shitting all over the communist ystem and their response>he's a commiein an attempt to win /k/ round.
>>64995645who is watching this trash jesus...
He's a gay comminist drug addict who throws hissy fits in his trooncord server while badly plagiarizing.How has /k/ fallen this low?
>>64996777You know what else is an "open secret" that has been confirmed even by reputable outlets? That the dodge LX platfom is just an old Mercedes E-class platform that they gave to Chrysler during the fusion. This is, in fact, nonsense from an engineering standpoint. Sometimes people see some superficial similarities and deduce things, but that doesn't mean that their hunch is correct. Saying that the T-14 engine is a derivative of a captured Nazi engine is kind of like saying that a modern Subaru boxer is a derivative of the original Beetle engine. It's not, the philosophy of design of most major components is different. At most it could be argued if you had a clear evolutionary tree (something like orignal engine -> derivative A with watercooling - > derivative B with tunnel crank -> T-14 engine). And even then there would be so much change to the orignal design that it would be little more than an nice factoid, not something you can actually draw conclusions from. But go ahead, keep getting your engineering knowledge from a youtuber who doesn't even know what torque really is.
>>64996999>Pay attention.Except the stat he is dismising (Greater then 50% chance of scoring a first round hit below 2000 meters, 50% chance of hitting a stationary tank at 1500 meters on the move or 2/3 chance to hit a stationary M60 at 1500 meters while stationary in the training video or 50% of a first round hit at 1500 meters on a exposed stationary tank in the tradoc bulletin 10) is infact massive and quoting something like recon which has nothing to do with hit probability and everything to do with chance of detection (IE being aware that there is a enemy tank at X area thanks to recon), weather which is also detection related (is that a tank or a wierdly shaped bush in the fog?) but once you do get detected you will be well within effective range since they will be so close to properly identify you in the weather. FCS, crew skill etc matters for hit probability but to quote Tradoc bulleting 10 then FCS is already accounted for in the stats>"The probability of a first round hit for a tank is a function of projectile speed, target range, and fire control equipment. These factors combine to give the HVAPFSDS a lethal first round hit probability as shown in the following two tables.">First table shows 50% chance of hitting an exposed stationary tank at 1500 meters and second shows a 70% hit chance on a tank driving at 12mph with an approach angle of 30 degrees>but it doesn't matter because the situations where this is the deciding factor are rareExcept having a high hit probability matters. If you put your sight on target and you miss due to low hit probability then you might as well die during the reload from return fire. It might as well be the deciding factor if you live or die when facing soviet tank fire. T-54/55 and T-62 both have the same FCS but fire different rounds so have different hit probability. T-54/55 either fire full bore AP rounds at 900m/s or APDS at 1400m/s while the T-62 always fire APFSDS at 1600m/s as the main AP round.
>>64997123>Like I don't even have to watch his videosThat describes most people who aren't sick of this freak who has no clue about anything he spouts on about.I'm glad I have a functioning brain and can hate Russia without being a useful idiot for every retard that happens to share that single trait.
>>64995645I just wasted a hour for him to give a whole rundown on ussr history and only 15 minutes about the t72 which most was for the fucking t62.
>inb4 tradoc is shit because they lied about the auto shell ejector speed or im a vatnik shill using the good parts from tradocLook Tradoc job is to train tank crews, they cant go around and say that soviet tank crews are garbage since the commander is drunk, the gunner is blind, driver is deaf and the loader have no arms. Yes they are objectively wrong with the auto ejector speed since we have video evidence of it working way faster at 3 seconds then 6 or 12 seconds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjSniVMa8twBut the T-62 is still listed as having a rate of fire of 4 rounds per minute which lines perfectly up with Soviet data. Same soviets also claim that the T-55A has a reload speed between 7-8 rounds per minute which goes against actual bong tests of the T-55 which shows very unfavorable that the T-55 struggles to get a higher rate of fire then 2 rounds per minute in testing, maybe bongs are just that much larger that they cant move with significant speed unlike the tiny russians when operating in the T-55. Considering that lazerpig is british then im very suprised that he DID not use this report when talking about the T-55 or using the report to indirectly talk about the T-62 due how similar both tanks are in crew layout.https://tankandafvnews.com/2016/02/08/from-the-vault-britishisraeli-assessment-of-t-55/https://tankandafvnews.com/wo-194-2946-a-technical-assessment-of-the-t-55/
>>64995645this guy is peak reddithe's right about the T72 being a piece of shit thoughthe only tanktoober worth watching is the chieftain
>>64996782BMP4s are somehow even worselegs go where?theres even a spot for 1 or 2 infantry crammed between the basket and the side somehow that must contort himself like those people magicians use to cram into tiny boxes for tricks
>>64996844>how small and short the typical russian conscript was in 1960It's not only that, it was uber-cramped even back in the day. Soldiers had to sit in a fucked up position. Without helmets or body armor.
>>64996998>to hilariously stupid ("the A-10 is unsurvivable in a modern combat environmentHe's correct about the A-10. We all like the flying brrrrr, but let's be real - the operational history shows that it's useless for the role which it was created for. They should've been donated to Ukraine to shoot down shahed drones.
>>64995645he's wrongt. Bob Semple
>>64996756Thank you, what a faggot
>>64997331Bruh, there were old soviet diaries online posted back in the on narod-websites (imagine geocities, but russian, gay and retarded) with the engineers literally acknowledging that they were cloning the german engine. From memory, it was initially done way back when in the 70s or something, with the goal of getting "a new and fancy engine" for the new and fancy tank of that day (which later became T-80). They fucked up it then (hurr-durr didn't manage to do everything by the deadline) and didn't get the contract for the tank, but they've already had a ton of work done, so they've iterated on it a bit, making changes based on their own logic. Then they'd return or or two times back to the project when other potential usages would come around, until finally someone decided that it could be used as an engine for pumping stations and such.What you retards don't understand is that "a soviet clone of X" doesn't always mean a 1:1 copy, even if Stalin personally would ask for it a la the Tu-4 shitfest. Soviet engineers would routinely make alterations, even when they had the fully licensed documentation of what they were cloning, because of reasons. Some of them were valid (hurr-durr the suspension is too weak for out shitty roads), some of them stemmed from having bad components or production, where they weren't able to replicate the original, a la the GAZ M1 cars which had documentation from Ford, but couldn't replicate the V8 engine or the suspension, so both had to be dumbed down.
>>64997331P.S:>But go ahead, keep getting your engineering knowledge from a youtuber who doesn't even know what torque really is.Unlike you, I'm fluent in russian and read the RU discourse of the topic from years before Lazerfag made the video. Kill yourself, retard.
>>64997919For fuck's sake the Russian X engine shares nothing in common with the German one aside from both being diesel X engines.There's more in common between a WW2 German aviation engine and the V6 in your car lmao.
>>64997217he makes the ziggers sethethis is extremely funny
>>64997880>Soldiers had to sit in a fucked up position. Without helmets or body armor.>Without helmets or body armorAs far as I know there is no helmet removal practice when riding inside the BMP-1. For body armor there is a very easy explanation why there are no images of Ivan Ivanovich wearing flak jackets in the 60's up to the start of the 80's. They simply did not have them lol.https://www.safar-publishing.com/post/6b1-body-armor-vestThe Soviets had the 6B1, built 5000 at best from 1957-1959 and then suddenly got hit by the good idea fairy of "let's just mass produce the body armor when we need it in large numbers". So from 1959 all the way to 1979 they built no new 6B1. They invade Afghanistan and need flak jackets again but for some reason they are having problems of mass producing the 6B1 again, maybe a 20 year time gap is bad for retaining the skills and the tools for building a1957 design flak jacket again. They did not even have a very low production rate of 10 flak jackets per day. If they had done that then they at the start of 1979 assuming 10 flak jackets per day from the start of 1959 up to the start of 1979 then exactly 73050 flak jackets would been built. Combine that with the previous estimate of 5000 then it would be 78050 flak jackets which is almost what you need to equip everyone in 6 motorised divisions. If we up that figure to 20 flak jackets per day being built then we get double and so on.But in the end, why worry about something (stockpiling flak jackets for war) when it wont happen (war) am I right? And if we do need we shall just build it just when we need it comrade, no need to spend rubles on silly things in times of peace.>>64997664The BMP-3 and all the BMD versions are so silly when it comes to dismount or seating for the infantry. It is so obvious that they were all built to be light tanks first and IFV second.
Taking Lazerpig's rantings as gospel suits the current post-2022 board's climate.
>>64995645>The T72 is shitThat's hardly a controversial point, the Ruskis abandoned the T64 (a genuinely revolutionary and capable design) because it was too expensive for them, and too complicated for illiterate conscripts to use. The T72 was a stripped down, shit tier, design that was adopted because it was easy to mass produce (i.e. cheap as fuck). I'm guessing that Lazerpig is doing his usual thing - picking at low hanging fruit in a way that's guaranteed to piss enough people off to drive engagement.
>>64995672So a discount Simon?
>>64998187>The T72 was a stripped down, shit tier, design that was adopted because it was easy to mass produce (i.e. cheap as fuck).It was stripped down so that more retarded soviet factories in Urals could make them. The reality is that not all soviet factories were equal in terms of machinery or human capital. Kharkiv and Leningrad factories were the top-tier ones. The ones in Omsk and Nizhniy Tagil were the retards of the bunch.
>>64998207go to /pol/ and say it isn't full of turdie brownoids. Have you ever seen a /pol/ meet?
>>64998266I've seen Americans before, yes
>>64998200You mist understand by this point even 2vach and MAX is calling death to monke and his regime, you know it's over when even russian national channels have figured out they are being fed bullshit, all the jeets, vatnegros and chinksects have left is seething and coping about people being antirussian (as if that was a bad thing).
>>64998278delusion
>>64998196>zelensky prideyou know that when someone posts this they are garuanteed to be extremely upset and butthurt lmao.how is russia losing to that, guys?>nooooo us trying to turn /k/ into /pol/ is "restoring it"no, it's not, nu/pol/ is reddit incarnate, it doesn't belong on this website, you are not viewed as part of 4chan anymore and haven't been for years.
>>64998272>t-they're americansno, stop dodging it, nu/pol/ is 99% non-american, non-european third worlders with a chip on their shoulder.
>>64998278What sort of a cockmongler writes this with a straight face? Go back to /leftypol/, pedophile ruslim.
>>64998278>we you don't speak for anyone, brownoid-san.>w-we fighthaving public meltdowns on /k/ is not fighting, brownoid-san.>/k/ r-rolled overto the contrary, it resisted extremely targeted attempts to turn everything into a russian narrative, especially after the invasion went bad, and stayed at least somewhat faithful to reality, unlike all the contrarian boards that hate white people and call for destruction of europe and the US. and would gladly see russia ruin it all.
>>64996167The modern leftist movement in the west is a big tent coalition of many mutually exclusive worldviews. It forces its adherents to accept all aspects of the platform or face ostracization. Thats how you end up with such strange bedfellows as troons and muslims. Its also why "the left eats its own" is a meme. Any time the official line changes and someone gets caught out without the update and doesn't think they were always at war with eurasia, they get ripped apart. And the Russians and Chinese support and fund these groups behind the scenes because its disruptive and weakens the west. At least in the case of the Russians, their covert support goes back decades, longer than anyone on this board has been alive.
>>64997356All of that matters, but not in comparison to the rest of the design. The recon is far more important for getting the first shot off and first hit, and that's the point. Minmaxxing for projectile speed at the cost of things like targeting equipment, visibility, rangefinders, turret power, reload speed etc etc is a bad trade off. That's the point.
>>64996844>>64997880The BTR-60 was so bad to exit, that some Finnish conscripts had to remove their LBE to fit from the hatches. There is a reson why every Russian rides the IFV's/AFV's on the roof and not inside. Along with everyone in the USSR being small malnourished commie and nobody having modern vests and LBE's.
>>64998489no not really. i tell you how the average day on /k/ works, in western european hours.>early morning: D&C shill pretending to be cletus from georgia oblast makes anti euro, anti nato threads>late morning: full on indian troll farm raid, ukrainian s.oyjacks, porn spam, and troons>noon: chink shills start piling up as well with twitter and/or cropped articles>afternoon: slide threads, vidya threads, assorted shitposting>late afternoon: janny finally wakes up and cleans haphazardly save for a couple key shitposting threads left for containment>evening: containment threads reach 300+ replies>late evening:only time when traffic seems almost normal due to influx of american gun haversand this is the board that held better against the russian agitprop. no wonder people leave for good, this place is a shithole.
>>64995712>Meh the dude has a pretty spotty track record when it comes to facts.It sometimes pops up even for things he tries to shit on>Crapping on the T-62>Also begrudgingly says it had a passive night sight https://youtu.be/NxKwC7E9g78?si=0WO25w3nkC9BSK6J&t=2976I don't think the Soviets had IR optics that could sorta function without the luna spot lights turned until NATO was already going whole hog on thermals. It's a really weird slip up since uniformly inferior night vision is probably the least controversial downside of Soviet AFVs compared to Western ones latter on in the Cold War.
>>64998196Oh hey vatnik. Been a while
>>64998187>was adopted because it was easy to mass produce (i.e. cheap as fuck) Easy to mass produce yes, cheap no. Some anon posted a review (done by the Soviets themselves) which showed that the T-64, once the (admittedly numerous) initial design flaws were fixed, and production lines were unfucked, was actually a bit cheaper than the T-72. T-72 was easier to produce, but, since the production line was shittier, it was more expensive.
>>64998677rather, most of that is the punishment for not giving in to russian agitprop, as long as you go along with the russian state narrative you're a good goyim and the rightious moral crusaders of leftypol won't be forced to spam ukraine basedjaks everywhere. they really think they're fighting the good fight by flooding /k/ with spam because russia shit the bed and /k/ had the gall to laugh at it.
>>64998965>leftypollol he thinks the only Russia supporters are lefties nowlmao get with the times grandpa, Russia is based and trad
>>64996782Fuck minivans, I'm taking my kids to school in a BMP. Sure they'll be deaf, but nobody's gonna be cooler.
>>64998980>russia is based and tradwell, that's another agitprop branch of theirs, yes.leftypol raids tend to be more organized while the right-wing lebasedtradrussia crowd is more sporadic when spamming.ultimately all extremist groups are welcome to shill for russia, as they are all useful idiots who are extremely easy to manipulate.
I wonder if he will refer to certain Finnish reports in part 2.
>>64999009My kids will arrive in style
>>64999087depends, there's already been lots of references to various reports but the vid doesn't even get TO the T-72. i'll bet part 3-4 it'll come up if other video series from the same circle are anything to go by.
>>64999094Pigs are nice.
>>64999009>Breaks down in the driveway
>>64998639>The recon is far more important for getting the first shot off and first hit,Except recon has no influence on hit probability. Being aware of the enemy overall location wont make you more likely to hit them unless the recon is so accurate that you know all the ranges to all enemy positions, turning the battlefield into a gunnery range with targets that can shoot back. If the weather is so bad that it affects hit probability then it is also affects the probability of detection. The battle of 73 easting perfectly demonstrates this by having tanks with thermals fighting tanks with no-thermals in an sandstorm with the no-thermal tanks getting killed since they simply could not detect the thermal tanks.>Minmaxxing for projectile speed at the cost of thingsThe 115mm high velocity smoothbore gun high speed of the projectile is directly related to why a rather simple all steel or all steel with a small tungsten core slug at the front APFSDS round has such high probability of killing Nato MBTs in service at that time.https://btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/432armor_eng.htm>targeting equipment, visibility, rangefinders, turret power, reload speed etc etc is a bad trade off.Alright sure, unrelated to the gun but let's say the T-62 did not have the 115mm, does that give the soviet tank industry enough spare points to spec into other stats for the T-62 skill tree? Answer is no, only koreans have T-62 autism. The soviet tank that did spec into all of those things is the T-64A and it fired APFSDS round with an even faster velocity close to 1800 meters with latter rounds being slower at 1700m/s. The velocity of 105mm APFSDS rounds is about 1500m/s while 120mm is around 1600m/s.> That's the point.The point is lost in the long rambling that is supposed to be about the T-72. Might as well state that all soviet tanks are blind shits since they are all supposed to not have the commander stick his head out scan like western tankers.Lets agree to disagree.
>>64997040The compromises it had to do to make it "amphibious" were so harsh it turned the entire design to shit>paper thin armour>extremely cramped>dismount crew being surrounded by fuel tanks>gunner can't see shit or even hit anything with the bmp-1 meme gun>tracks so thin it got stuck everywhere tgat had resemblance of mudThe final punchline to the joke is that in order to get it even to float, the seals had to be maintained. Which was impossible in the pidor union system. That and it had to be half loaded to even maintain buoyancy. So even if it made it to the other side, it would run out of everything pretty much on first contact. Chances are that it sank on its own before that, and if it started to take on water it was a death sentence to the cramped infantry stuck in the back.Absolutely atrocious, sorry excuse for an ifv that was never good for anything. Even at the time. Vatniks would have been better off removing the turret from the old t-55s and welding them into robust IFVs
>>64999094Second to none
>>64999287For whatever reason, they massively overvalued amphibious capabilities. I think it might've been some sort of retarded cultural assumptions. Something like "da, tovarisci, when the Western capitalist pigdogs notice us having outflanked them, they will immediately surrender, instead of trying to fight us". They kind of glossed over the relatively basic fact that a platoon armed with Great War surplus Lewis guns, firing steel core .303, would viciously fuck their shit up.
>>64996782See those doors? Those are extra fuel tanks. Granted, in pactice, crews would fill it with sands to get a little bit of protectionBut see that trapezoid-rectangle box between the kids? That is the main fuel tank. Made out of aluminum alloys to save weight because of the "amphibious" meme.To make sure everybody dies in that PoS if it ever catches a whiff of fire I am convinced whoever first cooked the idea of bmp was secretly a hohol CIA double agent
>>64999329I think the excuse was the terrain of Germany that has many south to north rivers flowing through it. But at the end of the day, it boiled down to chasing flavour of the month obsession. Shit like bmp only purpose could have been as a dedicated combat engineer vehicle, stripped down from all of the unnecessary combat junk, meant to cross bodies of waters with gear to help setup pontoon bridges to bring over the real armour and machines. While giving the engineers some very basic protection from mortar shrapnels and maybe a machine gun on top so they can feel better ablut themselvesIgnoring all of the fine details how like you need very specific spots for the shitbox to even cross. Because on the off chance it actually floats, it does not mean the piece of shit can climb up the very soft and muddy river/lake embankment unless there is a rocky base there. Which demands surveys on both shores by which point you might as well start prepping for pontooning
>>64999361>it boiled down to chasing flavour of the month obsession I think it was more than this. I suspect they were aware that, even with numeric advantage, Western fire control would fuck them up if they tried going for a basic-bitch sledgehammer push. So they developed advanced copium methods, by dreaming up some kind of hypothetic optimal scenario, where their amphibious forces are able to *not* get shot the fuck up while attempting to surround NATO battalions.
>>64999336>But see that trapezoid-rectangle box between the kids? That is the main fuel tankholy shit...
>>64999336>To make sure everybody dies in that PoSBMP == Bratskaya Mogila Pekhoty == Brotherly Grave of Infantry
>>64999336I mean, to be very pedantic and fair, the troops were supposed to be out of it if it ever caught a whiff of fire or combat. They were only resting their backs direct on the fuel tank to and from the battlefield.Still, because obviously that's not how it always works, holy shit fuck that.
Where can I find an article that has all 4 things things mentioned.
>>64995653No, he's a fucking retard and an armatard/mike sparks level crank
>>64995653This guy literally thinks the primary problem with the British Army is that it doesn't market itself well enough. Unironically. He's the definition of a nationalist dipshit.
>>64999882>He's the definition of a nationalist dipshitI'm not following your logic, anon. How does thinking your military's flaws lie in a marketing problem make you the stupid kind of nationalist?
>>64999971Probably because his military's problem goes far deeper than a marketing problem, unless you're going to argue that everything is a marketing problem, in which case it's a meaningless claim.
>faggot PNGtuber says [thing]
>>64999999checked
The propagation of soijak imagery should be a crime against humanity and any subhuman that does this should be killed outright.
>>64997919In isolation, changing the angles could be considered an alteration. So do the heads that look different. So do the fact that there are 4 less cylinders. Changing from a conventionnal crank to a tunnel crank is not "an alteration"Changing from aircooled to watercooled is not "an alteration"Those are major fucking redesigns. We're not talking about changing a few screws here and there. We're talking about a complete design philosophy change. Even if you adopt the loosest definition possible of "derivative" as your alleged geocities website do, there are so many changes that it makes it completely meaningless. Those two designs have less in common than the AK-47 and Vz. 58 do, and those are widey regognized as unrelated.
>>65000017Frankly, some of that shit is funny. The soi-point variants especially tend to get a laugh out of me.
>>65000047>Those two designs have less in common than the AK-47 and Vz. 58 domy friend, look up the history of development of ak-47 and how the other variants looked before the final variant was reached, or better yet look up at MiG-23 and tell me how it's a fully unique design just because soviets had to clone more than one western plane kek
>>64999825Let's be fair here. Mike Sparks is insane, but he is driven by a singular desire to reform the army into what he thinks it should be. And to do this, he has gifted the world some of the funniest fucking photoshops, Sonichu tier drawings, and Pierre Sprey levels of not-understanding-shit. Mike Gavin Sparks has provided infinitely more genuine entertainment and joy in my life than Lazerpig who embodies that Redditor level of Izzat where being correct no matter how pedantic or what loopholes you use is all that matters because the smart/correct people are the ontologically good and better people.
>>64995645Has he seen one in person? Or is he deriving his opinion based on what propagandists have said on both sides and formed an opinion on what he thinks is down the middle line but ultimately based on nothing T72s definitely don’t suck when you’re a civilian in a Honda accord with your girlfriend and 2 suitcases inside of it trying to flee an active war zone
>>65000719(cot'd) The only noteworthy thing about Lazerpork is that he got in a pissing match with The Chieftain who is one of the most even tempered polite and professional military guys on youtube and ended up looking like a jackass. All he "provides" is commentary. He is Brandon Herrera without the Congress Critter run or the AK50, he's the Hasan Piker or idubzz i dont know how you spell his name, anyways yeah. He doesnt have any pet causes, legitimate or unhinged. He doesnt make or create anything, he just is. And if that is ALL you are going to do? Well you better be 100% fucking right all the time otherwise you have no value. Fuckin waste of time to even give him attention.
i mean, he's funny and all. i was somewhat disappointed when i saw him irl, dressed with a cape and a crown and painted nails and a fake cavalry uniform straight out of the lonely hearts club album cover, when in visit at the tank museum at bovington. really gave me maddox vibes of patheticness. otherwise he's quite entertaining. what i don't find entertaining however, are the satellite pop history channels saying that they're "friends of him", and mimicking his humour and ripping off his jokes like parasites latching onto something that works to feed on the residual scraps of views. in order to copy lazerpig, a drunk fat gay retard babbling incoherently at the mic, you gotta be turd world level of shameless.
>>65000723>T72s definitely don’t suck when you’re a civilian in a Honda accord with your girlfriend and 2 suitcases inside of it trying to flee an active war zone Sure, and a horse femur doesn't suck when the other monkeyman only has his freshly-excreted feces as weapon. That doesn't make the T-72 a good tank in fundamental terms.
>Two DAYS later>Vatniks and /pol/nigs STILL seething about The PigBeautiful.
>>64995710>NAFOno idea why vatnik shills out themselves by using this phrase lol its like how they have to fit in a ghost of kyiev reference somewhere too
>>65000788It's because they're paid and they have scripts of talking points and memes they need to reference, and the people handing out those scripts are at the long end of an out of touch beauracracy.
>>65000788what does nafo even mean? 4 years and i still can't figure it out
>>64999094
>>65000794i think in the first few months of the war, there was a reddit group or something called NAFO with a doge mascot, and they organized to counter-shitpost against fsb troll farms or something like that. the fsb seemed to pick up on this and now feels a vital need to anchor themselves against any attempt to dispel their narrative by calling anyone who disagrees a nafo shill. it probably helped their decision that the group was kinda ridiculous, just like the ghost of keiayiv thing, so it goes along well in their "ridiculous -> gay -> tranny -> jewish -> nazi" pipeline of e-narratives they like to spin.>>65000792yea honestly i thought it was kinda funny how you could pick up on seasonal scripts and narratives, and when they go back to "oldies but goldies" theme every now and then. i'm just surprised they still come here and they STILL use the same phrases and talking points. i think their only metric for how effective their propaganda is, seems to be "people stop arguing back against it -> we won" which would explain a lotdesu i don't think they're all necessarily shills, i think i have come across some online that are just retardedly contrarian fifth columnist types who just parrot the same stuff for some reason.
>>64999281you are being ignorant on purpose hopefully. Knowing your enemy is coming and from what direction will have a titanic effect on hit probability. Far more than projectile velocity.
When your whole purpose is to piss off 80% of westerners so you can own 100% of the thirdie chuds online you should probably tone down the faggotry. Guys been known to male shit up just for memes.
>>65000108Who said anything about being a fully unique design? The MiG-23 has major features heavily insipired from multiple other aircraft makes it, by définition, not a clone of one of those aircraft. Again, that's like saying that a modern Subaru Boxer is a clone of a beetle engine, just because they are both boxer 4. That's fucking stupid. And if we accept that it is a derivative for the sake of the argument, the differences are so stark that it would beba worthless thing to bring up as more than a neat tidbit. Nothing that you can use to explain performance.
One thing, other than the screeching fat pig, put me off from his videos, was when he had to include on one video that he knows what shit tases like, among other things. Like eww.
>>65000950hi, Robert
>>65000970He unironically thinks that drives away the bad people and not everyone whos not a total degen. His morality is all over the place.
>>64995645Lazer pig is a fat gay retarded jew that can tell the difference between a tankie and a zigger.
>>65000970>he knows what shit tases likewell yeah, he ate a russian MRE on camera, so...
>>64995645I watched it on 2x speed until 53 minutes then I closed the video because he still hadn't said anything interesting or substantial during the 2 dozen tangentially related rantsI was hoping to hear details surrounding it's development not a troon loving cuck ranting for an hour about "communism bad" and "the damn tankies!" like a stuck record
>>64999999I kneel
>>64995653Well, that's quite simple. If he makes thirdies seethe, then there is at least some truth to what he says. And well, he makes thirdies to seethe a lot. And as a reminder, he is a faggot that had Russian boyfriend and after Russian invasion in 2022 he called not to hate Russians, because they good boyz they dindu nuffin it's the tzar's fault. So he is biased, but not in a way you would expect.But when he says something along the line>If Russians claim something, and you can't see it, then it doesn't existNo wonder they want to discredit him and strawman the shit out of him.
>>65001124>and after Russian invasion in 2022 he called not to hate Russians, because they good boyz they dindu nuffin it's the tzar's fault.It's like having Interpol arrest any US American traveling internationally for their involvement in an international child sex abuse business operation.
>>64999999Checked and witnessed.
>>65000719This
>>64999999/threadIt's ogre
>>64999329>For whatever reason, they massively overvalued amphibious capabilitiesBecause in any case of cold war gone hot scenario every single bridge anywhere close to the frontline would be gone, and to assume otherwise would be fucking retarded
>>65000950>the fact that your kindthe actual board users?>spammed a bunch of reportsspam and intentional raiding tends to get reported.>spamming that meme againit's even more embarrassing every time you spam it, brownoid-san, nu/pol/ is a festering tumor, it was not and never will be the heart of 4chan, you're an outsider who doesn't belong, you weren't even on /pol/ before it became nu/pol/.
>>64999329>Great War surplus Lewis guns, firing steel core .303, would viciously fuck their shit up.How good is .303? I know AP ammo for 7.92mm mauser is still very good since there is a lot of footage of it penetrating various modern steel targets or armor on youtube.The BMP-1 side armor is 16mm which you could compare to the T-26 light tanks 15mm armor. I have read that panzer 1 with the twin machine guns at ranges closer then 150 meters firing AP rounds could knock out T-26 tanks during the spanish civil war but then again the various light tanks from world war 2 and the interwar period were all had enough armor (10-20mm) that rifle caliber rounds did not knock them out in combat but anti tank rifles or 37mm AT guns did.
>>64995703>Ironically he spent half the video criticizing the soviets like all of their dysfunction was due to an intrinsic ideological fault of communism, ignoring the fact we're talking about the human tragedy that Russia is and always has been since recorded history.Don't cope. Socialists would find a way to fail even in Paradise.
>>65001133Which would be based IMO
>>65000794>Vatnik: Russian or russoboo who thinks Russia isn't Nigeria with snow (they now come in brown) >Hohol: ukrainian vatnik >Nafo tranny: Langley's very own Russia style shill farm using everything they've learned correcting the record on reddit circa2020-2024 + spiritual jannies doing it for free (they also come in brown) I've never seen all sides manage to lose the optics war as thoroughly as this Ukraine shit. The complete btfo'ing of Russian air defense and armor by our post clankening western backed proxy state should have led to a new era of post 93 collapse tier American gloating but these cringe faggots ruined it.
>>65001501different materials right? iirc BMP is proofed against 7.62x54r from a PKM on all sides and .50 on the front w/ the extra ribs helping to protect. It is likely made of stronger materials than T-26 but idk. Also most bmps now have side skirts and extra shit on the sides that would stop those rounds. I've never heard of a bmp being penetrated on the side by machinegun fire though I don't doubt that it would be an unpleasant experience.
>>65000970this heavily implies he eats his gay boyfriends shit
>>65001740>Langley's very own Russia style shill farmnice projections you've got there, ivan
>>65001756real ones remember when reddit called out langely as the most reddit community based on amount of users and that a psy op group was stationed there
>>65001756>Outs xerself The damage you've done to our ability to make fun of Russians and all assorted bricscucks on the Internet is immeasurable.
>>65001756"NAFO" are basically the ukrainian version of vatniks, I'm not sure why people pretend they don't exist and aren't equally as annoying
>>65001788because ivans are doing the reverse cargo-cult with them, look up above "Langley's very own Russia style shill farm" and shit lmao, that's how russians operate - when they are caught with their shit instead of defending themselves they point out "this isn't bad, others do the same thing", unironically trying to whitewash anything with those talking points, even their army buttsex traditions
Just an FYI le cochon laser made this thread.
>the em dashit's an ai, grok is this isreal?
>>65001797I mean the faggots themselves make it a running joke that they're based in Langley. It's just another way of calling them CIA bots anyway, much like calling vatnik farms FSB bots>and that's how russians operateYeah. no shit, that's why NAFO troons and other shills are fucking annoying. Both them and vatniks are third world bot farms or mentally ill westerners whose expertise is threadshitting and preventing any meaningful discussion from occurring
>>65001816>I mean the faggots themselves make it a running joke that they're based in LangleyMy brown friend, you do realize that it's trolling because zubhumans from russian and their turd world "friends" actually think that it's real?
>>65001740I fucking wish westerners would actually have an organized propaganda arm to counter, attack and autoban you ziggers spam bots on the net. As it is they think they are too smart for old fashioned propaganda while they go and elect populist fifth column parasites. Because John Burger from Ohio Oblast told them it was a good idea on xitter
>>64995752Part 1 hasn't even gotten to the T-72 itself, he's doing the history lesson and got as far as the T-62.
>>65001869Nationalist propaganda is racist, sexist, homophobic and not very 2000s end of history anon. A lot of westerners are still mentally stuck in the 1990s.
>>65001740>still shilling le proxy state memelol shut up zigger.
>>65001816no, they make fun of your constant attempts to call them nafo troons when they aren't.they're on reddit and twitter, you retarded zigger, they don't come here because these types of people have panic attacks when they read the word nigger. all the people who you have been accusing of being langley bots are just laughing at you because you're unironically retarded enough to have fallen for the russian psyop that euromaidan was a CIA glowie operation.
>>65001978>2 new for the clankening Every time
>>64996089Yes Democrats are funded and influenced by China which is why mainstream Democrats supported the TPP a trade deal exclusively created to isolate china
>>65002007>le clankening was a CIA glowie OPyeah, it wasn't, faggot. >y-you weren't therei was, and it wasn't, now stop shilling that narrative, it makes you look like a fucking retard.putin's ukranian puppet goverment fleeing the country in fear because they chimped out and shot a bunch of rightfully angry protestors is about as organic as a revolution can get, the only reason why ukraine had to appoint new leadership in the first place is because the russian puppet government fled like little bitches and stole a bunch of ukraine's gold reserves before even coming under direct fire, never coming back to explain themselves to the people they claimed they had legitimate rulership over.
>>64995645would you trust the things that are said in a video with that thumbail as facts??
>>64997664>legs go where?stack your soldiers horizontally, nuts to buttsthat way you get at least three on each side
>>65001755Not actively eats, but presumably did ass-to-mouth, or maybe tried to rim someone who didn't properly wash their assIn any case, more likely an "accidental exposure" rather than true scatfaggotry
>>64995791>7 repliesImagine paying for a pass, you pathetic piece of shit. You are either a loser with absolutely no life or an actual paid shill.
>>64996110>Whomever?
>>65002262he is a falseflagging zigger, so it tracks that he would be given a small budget for simple advantages like that.
>>64996150>linking redditFucking kill yourself, bitch.
>>64996126post guns.
>>65002279Not an argument.
>>64999336aluminum armor is the norm with IFVsthe most retarded thing about this design is if the BMP is pointing down a slight slope the troops are trapped if the door tanks are full because they aren't powered and you have to push a 200lbs up to move the doors
>>65002467>cant swim>cant protect>cramped as shit>gunner cant see or hit shit>makes sure you are sitting on a tank of fuel>makes sure you can't open the doors just in case (you) are tempted to survivehere. I did a quick modification of BMP obr.2026 following the best traditions of the soviet and mother russia design principles
>>65002467>BMP is pointing down a slight slopeI remember reading that is because the engine block is slightly forward to the center of mass, causing the natural tilt. This is also why they have those famous "washing boards" on the nose. Meant to be deployed as wave breakers because otherwise the BMP loves to dive underwater like a submarine
>>64995645he is fat and incorrect with a ton of informationi will not elaborate like he would not
>>64999971Because it's a surface level criticism that avoids the actual problem, because he won't admit there's a fundamental problem because he wants to believe the British Army could march into Ukraine right now and steamroll all the way to Moscow. You will never get him to accept that they'd just be annihilated by drones and then the Russians would go back to clawing at the Ukrainians, whose army is better than the Brits in every way and it's not even close.
>>64995653Nope. T72 is an excellent tank and this has been admitted by the US after the war in Ukraine.https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-old-t-72-best-tank-earth-and-ukraine-knows-it-213349The only problem with the tank is internal ammo storage (as opposed to turret + blow out panels) but this is not the only tank that has this, so does the Leopard 2, Merkava and I think others. However, it still is pretty survivable with reactive armor or extra armor, also helps the tank be smaller and harder to hit. So if you penetrate the tank and hit the ammo, it can cook off but you also have a lesser chance of hitting and penetrating it. Bear in mind this tank is a generation behind the Abrams when it was originally designed.
>>65003304>T72 is an excellent tankFor its time. It's an obsolete design now.
>>65003317It still is, it keeps getting modernized. The chassis itself has nothing obsolete about it, it's big enough for a 125mm gun, etc. It's not like the Leopard 1 which has a 105mm gun and almost no armor because it actually does adhere to an obsolete design philosophy.
>>65003330>>65003304The T-72 is a massive piece of shit and Ukraine's T-64s are better. This article's author also has a recent article claiming that the Admiral Nakhimov is superior to the proposed "Trump class" "battleship," so you know he's a retard.
>>65003353The T64 is a great tank yes, the reason the T72 exists is that the T64 was so expensive and complex. It was the best soviet tank up to the T80 and was a frontline breakthrough tank that NATO assessed as primary ground threat. It's pretty cool it, it can fire missiles from the main gun but the T72 has been upgraded and iterated upon so much it's surpassed the T64.The T80 was abandoned due to the turbine engine as well. Reliability and logistics is another thing T72 and it's derivatives have.
>>65003369>T64 was so expensive and complexThe T-64 was not expensive nor was is it complex when the T-72 was offically adopted by the Soviet Army for active service.
>>65003423T-64 was not less reliable then the T-72.
>>65003424So how come the T-72 and T-80 was allowed to exist in the Soviet army? Politics, ego and infighting is why. Despite living in socialist paradise teamwork was not the norm between the 3 main tank factories in the Soviet Union.
>>64999999CHECK EMMMMMMM
>>65003423Just a quick wiki from the T72 and T64 pages:>The T-64 introduced a new autoloader, which is still used on all T-64s currently in service, as well as all variants of the T-80 except the Ukrainian T-84-120. T-64 prototypes and the first several hundred examples produced had the same 115 mm smoothbore gun as the T-62; the T-64A and subsequent full-scale production variants had the 125 mm gun.>While the T-64 was the superior tank, it was more expensive and physically complex, and was produced in smaller numbers. The T-72 is mechanically simpler and easier to service in the field, and its manufacturing process is correspondingly simpler. In light of Soviet doctrine, the superior T-64s were kept ready and reserved for the most important mission: a potential outbreak of a war in Europe. >The T-64's smaller design presented a problem when selecting a suitable engine.[19] The chosen 700 hp 5TDF engine was unreliable,[20] difficult to repair, and had a guaranteed lifespan similar to World War II designs.[21]>A few T-64 tanks were tested in Afghanistan[42] during January 1980, but were quickly withdrawn without seeing combat because their engines did not perform well in the high altitude necessary for Afghan operations.[41]Why is this such a revisionist history board now? Also, the T64A and T72A are not comparable, the T72A is an upgrade of the T72 which includes among other things composite armor and the T64A is a completely base model more competitive to the base T72. It still has the autoloader which was complicated and not used again outside of the T80. If what you were saying was true, they would have mass produced the T64 over the T72 but this was never the case and the T64 had other issues (engine and the engine bay being too small) as well and was harder to maintain. The T72 has far more variants and derivatives than the T64 today and has matured much more design wise. T64 is not a bad tank though.
>>65003492>the T72A is an upgrade of the T72 which includes among other things composite armor and the T64A is a completely base modelT-64A has composite armor.
>>65003492>wikipediaNigga what are you doing. Read the actual sources themself and look at the year they got released. You are using quotes from steven a zaloga book published in 2009. Guess what he published a book about the T-64 in 2015 and directly shows the opposite in reliability before 1973 when the T-72 was adopted since it takes time to dig through the archives. And the guaranteed lifespan similar to world war 2 designs? Straight from nizhny tagil supporters from 2004 which is bullshit for 1970.If the T-64 was so bad in afghanistan, why did they not use the T-72 instead? It is outright better then the T-62 and more russian would still be alive if they had the better tank in Afghanistan. Maybe it never happened and Afghanistan was not a important zone despite russians dying in it driving the all steel T-54/55 and T-62 that had no chance of stopping old ass RPG-7's rounds for 4 years before the T-55M and T-62M started arriving when the T-72 existed since 1973.Guess this link does not count even when using soviet data since it goes against the narrative.https://btvt.info/7english/1973_%D0%A2-64_history_eng_1.htm>If what you were saying was true, they would have mass produced the T64 over the T72Again, politics and feelings trump over facts and logic. Does not matter if your design is better if a communist party offical dont like you. Look up Object 187, the superior T-72 evolution with the superior hull armor layout which removed the drivers hatch weakness that started with the T-64 but it lost to Object 188 in trials anyway which became the T-90A. Why did russia not adopt the Object 187? Object 188 was cheaper.See these weak zones? All related to the T-64 design that was not a problem against full bore AP or APDS projectiles but became a problem when APFSDS became the norm and the T-72 is suffering from them which Object 187 fixed 100%. Obj 188 only fixed the turret since it just took 187 welded turret and put on a normal T-72 hull.
>>65003522Huh, I guess that's true. I don't know where you are pulling the cost information from though, that does not look right at all.
>>65003539Cost becomes lower with time. The T-64A had been in production since the 60's. Factory workers get better and experienced, toolings get improved and calibrated better. Production reliability becomes better etc.Can the T-72 use all the spare parts and tooling from the T-64? No they have to build everything from scratch so a whole flood of parts had to be built just for the T-72. Autoloader, suspension etc even the turret design was different and they did not have the tooling or experience for casting the same turret anyway hence why the first T-72 is all steel cast turret versus the composite T-64A turret which either had aluminum filler or hard steel inserts. Not only is the T-55 and T-62 getting replaced by the T-72, you have export orders for the T-72 to Syria and Iraq so the production demand is insane at the same time that you are producing a tank you dont have the institutional knowledge to back up hence why cost was actually higher then the T-64A since alot of parts were overbuilt to compensate for reliability problems.Does this mean that the T-72 in 1980 was expensive? No they had over 10 years of instituional knowledge at that point of building MBT's which is very helpful to have unlike in the 1970's when they just started. Was the T-64 super reliable in the 1960's? No they had like with all designs relability problems since it was a brand new modern design for it's time that was trying to be the space tank the soviets wanted.>300 ke protection, 450mm HEAT protection>125mm gun with 44 rounds, autoloader>below 38 tons total weight>same tactical mobility and same strategic mobility as the T-54/55 Should the soviets kept building the T-64 past 1985? No but kharkov and Morsov the man behind the T-64 wanted a new modern design that does not carry the same armor flaws from the T-64 like T-74 but that never became reality and the soviet got stuck with 7 tanks all connected to the T-64 (T-64A, T-64B, T-72A, T-72B, T-80B, T-80U and T-80UD).
>>65003538>Visibly sneedingSo what does this have to do with T64 vs T72 again? Also the T64 has survivability issues the T72 doesn't because the ammo stands vertically and presents a larger cross section to hit. That's actually a serious issue. The T72 is better today than the T64 and a better design overall, that's my point. From a modern perspective it's basically better in every way, I never said the T64 was bad though. What Ukraine operates are basically old T64's and they have maybe about 100 T64BM's which are like a 90s or 00's modernization as of the start of the war but it's doubtful many still exist, but they still don't resolve some of the other downsides of the tank.
>>65003492>If what you were saying was true, they would have mass produced the T64 over the T72That's not how the Soviet Union worked at all lmao
>>65003576>Visibly sneedingYou are unironically looking at wikipedia as your main source instead of the books wikipedia links. If you had read the books then you would not have come to your conclusion that you currently have.>So what does this have to do with T64 vs T72 againThe T-72 should not have been adopted.>survivabilityT-64 autoloader has an larger surface area yes but the T-72 removes this advantage by stacking spare rounds on top of the autoloader anyway. The T-72 also manages to cram 44 rounds into the tank while the autoloader only fits 22 (T-64 fits only 36 or 37 rounds total and the autoloader fits 28 rounds). If a T-72 goes into battle with autoloader load only then sure the survivability is higher by some margin but is it enough to justify having a completely different tank while having the same combat potentional?>that's my point.You are wrong.>From a modern perspective it's basically better in every wayWrong again. The whole current T family is outdated since they dont seperate the crew from atleast the autoloader in a seperate comparment. Something like Object 640 or Black eagle should have been adopted. Object 188 combined with Object 640 turret and autoloader would have been the ideal for Russia at the start of the 2000's. The T-14 is a step in the right direction but it has been late for over 26 years.
https://www.tankarchives.com/2021/03/the-ussrs-hungriest-tank.html>1976>Decided to do large scale trial of using the older T-62 and the newer modern T-64A, T-64B, T-72's equiped with TPK-1 sight. and T-80.>Find out that the big 3 MBT's (T-64A, T-72 and T-80) all have similar tactical speeds, hit rate, accuracy etc so they are not signficantly different enough by a large percentage like 15 or 30%.>Only tank that was signficantly better was the T-64B versus the T-80 and T-72: 1.33 and 1.76 times faster target destruction respectively, 1.2 and 1.8 times less ammunition used respectively.>All 3 tanks had okay tank crew conditions>All 3 have different quirks they are better at but logistically are significantly different to the point that they dont really that many share spare parts.>All 3 cheated at some point or had unfair advantages (T-80's cheating in the march formation, T-64B providing range data for the T-64A on the radio and the T-72 crews not being well trained in using the laser rangefinder so they had a lower hit rate then the T-64A by some percentage lol?)>One tank the T-80 is really bad with fuel economy and consumption and takes way too long for river fording preperation.>???>Have all 4 stay in service anyway.Logically only 2 tanks should have been adopted at max. Either the T-64 and T-72, T-64 and T-80 or T-72 and T-80 but politics, infighting and other bullshit got in the way. The absolute best solution would have been to have all the tank designers of the soviet union get together in one room, take the best features from the T-64, T-72 and T-80 and combine it all into one and call it the T-100 tank or something and that was exactly what they wanted to begin with>"It was desirable to develop a single tank with a gas turbine or diesel engine that combined the best technical solutions of the T-80, T-64B, and T-72."
>>64996520>btvt mentionedT-72 trannies on suicide watch lmao. The man is a professional and certified Uralvagonzavod hater, and the worse thing is he has all the knowledge and data to back this up.
>>64995653He's a faggot, literally and figuratively.
>>65001501iirc 18 mm is enough to stop rifle (most) calibre ap rounds.so the angle of impact would be the main factor I think.
>>65000107It would be funny if it wasn't the same exact dogshit being regurgitated for over a decade. Old memes were lucky if they lived more than 2 years.
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>>65003600>all that frayed asbestos
>>65004025
>>64999999HOLY SHIT jewtubers btfo
>>65004025Oh that is not asbestos I think. That is probably just woven polyethylene that has a layer that is boron coated and some lead coating since that was used for the anti radiation liner. So frayed plastic fibers with boron and lead coating in it which should pose as a health risk if it get inside of you.
>>65000812just like the sketchiest IRL marketing companies these shill shacks do indeed use number fluffing tactics
>>65003740>has all the knowledge and data to back this up.If only he did. That way he at least wouldn't muddle the water with incorrect stuff
>>65001650I don't see any commie, plenty of the unearned delusional arrogance of the dead british empire though.
>>65003427they had multiple versions of everything because they had multiple companies this shouldn't even be a question, and of course the easier to build cheaper tank was produced more.
>>65000811I have a fetish of getting a wiesel street legal and just drive about my daily routine with it, imagine parking in front of your job and crawl out of a 20mm armed wiesel while 2000s techno music blasts inside.
>>65004438>muddle the water with incorrect stuffMay we see it? Post it in the thead.>>65004492Which is why the XM-1 from Chrysler and XM-1 from General Motor both got adopted into service as the M1 and M2 Abrams right? Afterall why should General Motors build a tank they did not design and more tank designs are better right?Nope did not happen try again Pidor.
>>64996053there's a reason why he has a kiwifarms thread
>>65004529I don't know about the 20mm but as long as you put turn signals and side mirrors on it you should be fine.
>most of the thread is attacking the man and debating his talking pointsVery telling.
>>65004801Well yeah hes a gay retard reading wikipedia articles not an actual subject matter expert. There are better channels for actual discourse.
>>65004806>he's gay and dumb!Again, not even gonna try and prove him wrong?
>>65004813On what? You gonna dickride the fat faggot because... why?
>>65004813being gay and dumb usually means you are wrong in one way or another.he's not wrong because he's dunking on commies and ziggers, he's wrong because he's wrong and fucks up on basic shit to the point i think he might be doing it intentionally to farm engagement.
>>65004801>debating his talking pointsWell yeah that's how you engage with topics, what are they supposed to do instead? Not engage with his points and write slurs?
>>65004801>most of the thread is attacking the manYeah> and debating his talking pointsIs this not how you disprove someone? Call them a faggot and then explain why? Are we not supposed to do that?
>>65003600>T-64 autoloader has an larger surface area yes but the T-72 removes this advantage by stacking spare rounds on top of the autoloader anyway.But how? The problem with the T64 is that the ammo is easier to hit. >Wrong again. The whole current T family is outdated since they dont seperate the crew from atleast the autoloader in a seperate comparmentMost MBT's (including the K2, Leo 2, LeClerc) have hull ammo storage. anon. You're trying to say the T72 is garbage while saying the T64 is great, but the T64 has a worse autoloading system and probably slower than a modern T72. It's not making much sense. I would also definitely NOT say the entire T family is outdated, that's top tier lunacy. But also the T64 family has been mainly not upgraded past the T64's of the 70s, which include the very good B model. The best Ukrainian T64 is the Bulat but only some of them have thermal sights, I think the Bulat BM?The other thing is that the T72 should have better mobility than the T64, about the same or similar ground pressure with the T72 having better power to weight (especially the B3 which has among the best in the world). Small size improves the mobility and makes the tank harder to hit, also makes additional armor much more weight efficient. Part of this comes from internal storage plus autoloader eliminating the need for a loader. Everything is about trade-offs.
>>65005173Also tl;dr: to sum it up I would say the autoloader and the small engine make the T64 a worse choice for upgrade and modernization and end up limiting the tank from a modern perspective. The hull armor should be slightly better though.
He's a drama whore foremost and educator somewhere over the horizon. He Dunning-Kruger'd himself into thinking he is far smarter than he actually is; then when people with hands-on experience of the subject matter told him to stay in his lane, doubled down on it. The modicum of popularity he had garnered before the true colours came out went right to his head.Give him a few years and a couple more crashouts and he'll be remembered as a lolcow.
>65005173>Vatnik defense of UVZslop
>>65004801Why bother attacking the points of a self described comedian who said that he's allowed to be wrong for the sake of a joke? Are you really going to debate the jester on economics? I'm not, I'm just gonna call him unfunny and retarded and continue with my day
>>64995653I don't remember which video it was but there was a tank he said was crap and based his entire video on a report where the tank broke down so it couldn't be tested. It was a ww2 tank and he focused heavily on this one study being the true display of it's capabilities and used some extreme mental gymnastics to explain away the actual battlefield performance. It's really just the same partisan logic you see in any political debate, you accept any evidence for your side no matter how spurious and hold the evidence for the other side to an impossible standard.
>>65005173>But how? The problem with the T64 is that the ammo is easier to hit.By literally having ammo stored above the autoloader.>Most MBT's (including the K2, Leo 2, LeClerc) have hull ammo storage.Hull storage is not the ultimate killer but it is still bad, it is not having any rounds seperated which they all all do by having the ready rack seperated at mininum. The T-90M seperates some of the spare ammo so statiscally speaking the surface area that is covered by ammo inside the crew comparment is lower. The black eagle or T-84 120 yatagan and other prototype vehicles tries to solve some of the problems regarding having the autoloder directly below the crew by having it at the rear of the turret instead while also being seperated. If the autoloader currently takes a direct hit on either model the chance of survival for the crew is both slim.>You're trying to say the T72 is garbage while saying the T64 is great,It is redundant for 1970. The whole reason for the T-72 existence is to be more reliable then the T-64A but the data (soviet data) shows that is not correct at all. The T-64 family passed the reliability demands and it did redeem itself making the whole reason for the T-72 existance redundant. Once we get to the 1980's the T-72 armor layout and design which it shares with the T-64 makes it vulnerable and it never fixed it. The T-90A fixed some the turret problems by having a welded turret with better designed roof angle so APFSDS rounds cant just lol pen it with ease anymore but the hull still shares the same drivers vision port weakness.>T64 has a worse autoloading system and probably slower than a modern T72T-64/80 autoloader loads in 6 seconds.T-72 autoloader loads in 7.5 seconds T-90M maybe loads in 7 seconds im not sure.But this is the pure speed and wont mean that is the speed in combat>mobilityyeah the t-64 was limited im mobility upgrades hence why kharkov wanted a new tank design to replace it. Instead they got the T-80UD
ATTENTION THIS IS NOW A BEWUP THREADhttps://files.catbox.moe/k8q1l8.mp4
>inb4 source for autoloader timeshttps://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/t-72-soviet-progeny.htmlhttps://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2016/02/t-80-gambol.htmlBoth autoloaders can only rotate counter clockwise so if there is a round that you want to load but it is to the right of the round you just fired the autoloader is gona have to rotate all the way around to get it. T-64, T-80 autoloader is Hydraulic while T-72 autoloader is Electric.Tankograd has the following information:T-72 Time taken per shot is listed as 7 seconds while total loading time is listed as 7.7 seconds, T-80 which share the same autoloader as T-64 is listed as 6.0 seconds. Average time taken per shot is 7.1 secondsBoth however have are listed to have same combat rate of fire of 7-8 rounds per minute in their respective manuals despite T-64 technically being able fire at 10 rounds per minute. There is also the fact that tanks go into battle with more then 1 ammo type so there is added time in switching ammo type or rotating the autoloader over to the correct round which adds time. Average time between shots for a T-80 or T-64 autoloader to load is 7.1 to 19.5 seconds.War in Ukraine: Volume 4 Main battle tanks of Russia and Ukraine 2014-2023 Soviet legacy and post soviet russian MBT's has the following information:T-64 is listed as having the reload speed between 6-20 seconds depending on the rounds position in the autoloader. The autoloaders rotation speed is 26.5 degrees per second and it takes the autoloader 19.5 seconds to load the last round in the autoloader postionT-72 has a loading speed of 7.5 seconds but no mention of the longest reload speed for the autoloader. A practical test for how long it takes to rotate to load a round in last postion in the autoloader was done and autoloader empty vs full time was 20 seconds vs 28 seconds. The autoloaders maximum rotation speed is up to 70 degrees per second but it takes time to get up to that speed.
>>65005173>I would also definitely NOT say the entire T family is outdatedNta but it depends on how you use the term.Imo the T-series has the same issue as the AK platform in that it isn't really upgradeable to a competitive level, without a complete redesign which most likely will be to the extent wher it is an entirely new design.
>>65000812Even the most russphilic Americans turned before the first year. The putin kiss was dynamite
>>65001501>How good is .303? The 174 grain MkVIIW (or MkVIIWz, depending on the propellant) supposedly would pierce 10mm armor plate at 100 yards.
>>65001650Are hypercapitalists not doing just that?Capitalism without the state monopoly killing is just oligarchy hell.
>>65001740>>65001788>>65001816Anyone unironically using NAFO outs himself as a /chug/ faggot or a bot.You even fell back to NAFO troon, you are clearly some seething chugger transplant from /pol/.Go back.
>>65001869Should just cut the oceanic cables at this point.
>>65003369Funny enough russia got those T80 turbines back into production.
>>64996070what about mark felton?
>>64997217So there was this year called '2022'...
>>64997919So you can produce one of these totally real diaries, surely.
>>65001869you think the west doesn't publish propaganda?
>>65006347Do western glowies make and push propaganda? Sure. Do they do that in the retards ways ruslims, chinks and other such subhumans do? Including but not limited to using trollfarms? No.
>>65005992>russia got those T80 turbines back into productionAfaik it's the same "production" as their tanks: rebuilding shit from storage and/or servicing/modernizing existing stocks.
>>65006019Can't recall him ever being incorrect. He's just a meme because he makes 20 min videos out of obscure footnotes. Still interesting though.
>>65006899From what I remember there were instances where he simply copied other people's works word by word.Not sure about inaccuracies let alone made up claims.
>>65006899The german tank museum in Munster made a video concerning misinformation spread by him.
>>65001124>If Russians claim something, and you can't see it, then it doesn't existBut I mean, that's the truth.His cultural analysis of the soviet union is spot on, which makes his arguments based on that cultural analysis quite strong.
>>64999991>>65003279Marketing is a key problem for a military, because only by selling yourself to the people and your politicians, you can get money and the political sphere will consider using that military.The British ARMY specifically and very obvious has a huge problem in terms of marketing and appearances, because in case you forgot, Britain is an island.
>>64995645Man look at all the replies, this video has the CSTO troons riled up.
>>64996070>Spandau ManDoes anyone even remember him at this stage?
>>65003279>because he wants to believe the British Army could march into Ukraine right now and steamroll all the way to MoscowBritish Army could do that, because it has an airforce and thus could air power to fuck over the russians on the ground.
>>65007362>British Army could do that, because it has an airforce and thus could air power to fuck over the russians on the ground.No, the British Army could not do that, because it doesn't have an air contingent anymore.Are you thinking of the British Armed Forces?
>>65006019>>65006899>>65006975Felton will fall down the Nazi rabbit hole eventually. It's simple economics - Nazis are the only audience that cares to hear about Hitler's navel lint.
>>65004813No, gays aren't people therefore there's nothing to prove. And he's wrong either way.
>>65005981What is "chug", I'm too employed to know /pol/speak
>>65007362No, it couldn't. Their air force isn't large enough, their army isn't large enough either, and they have no fucking ammo.
>>65006899Felton has lied multiple times, most people just lack the background knowledge required to realize he's lying. He's a total hack, he's discovered he can make more money being a sensationalist liar than educating the public about actual history.
>>65009064RusFor masturbation thread in /pol/. >comfy happening in ukraine general
>>65009086What kind of "lies" are we talking about, sloppy errors or just sensationalism?
>>64995653No, because if he was. He would mention the reverse speed, and that would be the end of the discussion.The T-72 is more or less a poorman's T-64. Which is both a good thing and a bad thing. It is outdated for the modern day, but Russia has thousands of them so why not use it?
>>65005981I don't know if you have noticed. But there are very active NAFO users outside of 4chan. Mainly on X, Bluesky, r/NAFO, and r/NCD. They are not just some boogeyman /chug/ made up, they are real people who are mostly retards and lolcows. Most of them are actual baby boomers or trannies. Its really funny how old some of them are.
>>64995645he's a retarded niggerfaggot and unironically a fucking detriment to the pro-ukrainian effort, his videos are shit and he can't even criticise the fucking equipment he wants to criticise correctlyThe T-72 is bad because it has no reverse gear, unprotected ammo, an autoloader that limits the length of the penetrators it can load, an incredibly outdated armor scheme and bad crew visibility, yet this retard tries to claim it's because the Tank is small (an advantage if anything), an "unreliable autoloader" (straight up a fucking lie, reliability is the one thing the T-72's autoloader does well) and a "bad engine" (it's just fine for a tank of the weight class of the T-72)He did this with most of his other videos as well, criticised shit which wasn't the fucking problem in the design
>>65009969ergonomics are really fucking important
>>65009975ergonomics are better in, let's say, a Leopard 2, but the T-72's ergonomics really aren't so bad that they'd significantly hamper performancethe big difference for us was the far superior optics, increased situational awareness and all around just less fatigued crew due to having an extra man to do shitdriving western tanks is also way easier than driving T-72's due to the transmission not being manual piece of shit and having an actual steering wheel instead of gripping two dildos>t. gunned in a T-72 for 2 years
>>65009968They're not very active on xweeter outside of their retard chamber anymore because their most prominent lolcow accounts died from complications of being hamplanets
>>65004529dont the germans make all their shit road legal already, besides tracks and markers?also, funny but i thought of something similar once, and the same wiesel variant (with the rheinmetall 20mm instead of the tow). theyre cute vehicles.
>>65009969>retard tries to claim it's because the Tank is small (an advantage if anything)Get this soviet engineer out of there. The smallness of the tank is like 50% of the underlying issues behind it.
