I am interested in logistics and soldier mobility in combat. Questions such as "is using electric scooters for combat operations a good choice" and "are e-scooters better or worse than horses" fascinate me a lot. I think that e-scooters may not hold a place in the modern battlefield because they're not generally off-road capable, can't carry much equipment or men, and they're dependent on good, paved or packed dirt roads none of which may exist in intense peer war such as the Russo-Ukrainian war.So let's have a thread about interesting logistics and mobility developments in modern wars. What do you guys think? Post your favorite logistics or personal mobility device seen in combat.
>>64996984They've been used for about 5-6yr now in the Aust Army, but they're a proper off-road ebike
>>64996984They are great for areas you would use trucks for infantry transport and terrible for where you would use APCs.
>>64997016Offroad e-bikes are one thing, they could be useful
>>64997021>They are great for areas you would use trucks for infantry transportWhy? They have shit range and they bottom out in combat load. With trucks you can haul a lot of shit and men.
>>64997044I was talking about bikes not scooters, scooters don't have a use off base much like golf carts.
>>64997046I see, sorry for assuming you meant e-scooters
>>64996984if the enemy can hit a mile-wide field between two treelines with a drone every 5 minutes, you've got a better chance to get through by dudes across it on e-bikes than on foot or in an APC>dudes on foot move slowly, enemy has time to hit each one individually>APC moves fast but they all die in a single hitthis is why they've tried motorbikes, ebikes, mobility scooters, quads, bicycles and horses so farin the end the most consistent method is still simply sending a constant flow of guys on foot and getting through because the FPV operator has to take a shit occasionally
>>64997074What if the APC isn't Russian? And if the meatwaves charging across the steppe with e-bikes and scooters and on horseback and what have you is such a great tactic, why is their advance so slow?
>>64997117No APC tier armor defeats a HEAT warhead no matter which country built it.
>>64997117And just because it doesn't work doesn't mean that there aren't even worse options.A few years ago when they were still doing armored attacks they still weren't getting anywhere, they were still loosing men like crazy but on top of that they expended all their armored vehicle stockpiles.
>>64997196True but a better equipped military would be running SPAA alongside IFVs.While drones are a very real threat I would still take a APC over a golf cart in an arty heavy war with HMGs everywhere.
>>64997196And no e-scooter rush will be a serious threat to any competent military
>>64997016>no rack>not even a saddle bag for toolsThat's certainly a choice.
So why is human life so unimportant to Russians?
>>64997196But a non-russian country would strap a hard-kill APS to it. It's less about the vehicle but rather how much money and effort the nation using it is willing to protect it.
>>64998833Why is water wet?
>>64998939every first world tank is fitted with APS?
>>64998946Water is not wet, it makes things wet.
>>64998952They should have been since we've known they are a requirement to not be killed by our own ATGMs, but since nobody has been in a conflict of that sort other than Israel they kikced the can down the road as it's quite frankly really fucking expensive to procure 5000 of the things. Only in the late 2010s did NATO start trying out Trophy and AMAP-ADS on service vehicles like the M1A2 SEPV3, Puma and more.
>>64998972I don't use this often, but in this case it's necessary: cope
>>64998833They are the "Muh greater cause" culture, all of them usually live in garbage and hate their lives.Dissolution of the soviet experiment left a deep historical grudge, and making up for it is far more important than being alive
>>64996984Just have an electric dirt bike and in reality those are a meme almost completely outclassed by gas bikes. Electric will only have faster acceleration which is not needed. Gas/diesel has more range for less weight, and can have a quiet muffler developed for it to be nearly silent.The military developed this hybrid bike for special operations. It's a gas bike that can shut off and become an ebike to be silent for closer operations. Called the Silenthawk, but really the electric battery and motor are just extra weight. I'd look into just silencing the motor. They won't because our soldiers are cannon fodder and they'll just go with the cheapest transport option. But for special operations maybe.
>>64999030Imagine if we just let Japan and Germany quit the war when it was over for them and allow them to slink back to their home territory. It would end the conflict faster but it means the same government and same culture was in power, and they would fest a grievance which would result in another war. WW2 is in part a grievance war on Germany's behalf over them losing WW1. They needed some serious reform in 1990, with a new government coming to power that rejected both the Soviet project and the Russian imperial project. Instead they got Putin in 1999 who explicitly loved both of them. The Soviet project was not an economic or ideological system for him, but instead the Russian empire at its maximum. Everything past that was a betrayal, a severed limb that needs to be restored. It's a completely counter-productive way of seeing the world and only brings harm and misery to the state that believes in it.
>>64997016I feel like these kinda make sense for the aussies for their recon guys due to the terrain. Wouldn't trust them worth a damn for actual logistics though
>>64997074>in the end the most consistent method is still simply sending a constant flow of guys on foot and getting through because the FPV operator has to take a shit occasionallyis there a name for this tactic yet? they're not coming in waves but it's definitely made out of meat.
>>65001197The Meat Dribble.It'll catch on.
>>65001197Minced meat drizzle
>>65001197Meat stream? >>65003425the "meat dribble" is what gets through to an area with nor enough FPV operators defending.
>>65001197>>65003430>>65007831i've called it the human trickle for a while now.
