/k/ becomes completely insufferable for weeks

>>65000830
Graham was spot on egging on Trump to attack Iran

It would be extremely entertaining

>>65000832
>for you

>>65000824
I still don't see the point.
They don't get any more control of Iran's oil than the US already has(they can already seize Iranian tankers) and it makes them sitting ducks.

>>65000824
Can't we just tokamak this island until it's a parking lot ? I don't see why not

>>65000835
bargain for reopening strait of hormuz

>the shills are already seething
It's afraid.
>>65000835
More like Chinese tankers. So no, controlling the island gives more control and..
>>65000836
And lose all tge sweet tasty oil you could get for yourself?

>>65000836
We already did, except the oil. For now, we're trying to leave the door open for whatever post-war government we get to make their oil money to fund reconstruction. We'll see if that stays a priority.

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The marines are gonna piss in the oil! Fucking stop them now!

>>65000839
taking the oil stored there doesn't mean anything, it is further north in the gulf and with the strait closed you still couldn't get it out

>>65000840
>>65000839
What's the point of having oil if other countries are making fun of our operation, just nuke the island already and lets focus on chinks, we are wasting time supervising browns throwing poop at each others once again it's so tiresome

>>65000847
goyim, please, you must fight them

>>65000840
I don't get why it's amateur hour in the White House. Everything is going well for Team USAS except the most important part: Cutting off Iran's money supply

The fact USA is still allowing Iran to run tankers through the Hormuz Strait, while everyone else in the neighborhood is stuck holding their own dick, is abolutely insane.

On top of that Iran started charging 3rd parties to cough up money to pass through Hormuz Strait. So not only is Hormuz blocked for everyone else, Iran also turned it into the Ayatollah Khamenei Memorial Tollbooth!

The number #1 goal of this war should be to cut off Iran's finances and stop IRGC from making payroll, and USA refuses to pick up this lowest of lowest hanging fruit right off the ground.

They just need to send marines into the Indian Ocean and start seizing tankers transporting Iranian oil, and Tehran will not be able to do anything but surrender. Trump did it with Venezula and Cuba, why is he not doing it for Iran? (Because 90% of this oil goes to China?)

>>65000824
Marines take over the island largely unopposed with a high concentration of close air support.
>>65000835
The island is where 95% of Iran's oil gets shipped out of the country apparently. And as the other anons said, it's a bargaining chip for future negotiations.

>>65000855
You can add
>removing sanctions on 140 million barrels of Iranian oil to sell to China
to that list as well

>>65000856
If I was Iran, I would booby trap the entire island and pull out when the marines show up. Then I will send drones into this barren island and teach jarhead how to eat sand. The entire island is exposed and people will get PTSD when the sky starts talking in Shahed.

>>65000824
>Trump tweets and threatens Kharg Island
>Marines, LHA and MEUs inbound
>the world screeches
>TDS amplifies the message
>IRGC spergs out, shifting its strategic focus elsewhere
>shifting assets get exposed and bombed
>Marines either dont land at all, or raid somewhere else (e.g Larak, Hormuz or Qeshem)
>CENTCOMs warplane continues as planned
Is strategic deception possible in the current year ? we shall see.

>>65000824
Unless they are retarded and don’t bring enough air support it should be easy.

>>65000864
You might be giving them a bit too much credit here.

>>65000866
You definitely meant to reply here: >>65000863

>>65000824
Well unless Trump just lied a few minutes ago it’s not happening for at least 5 days.

>>65000858
it was a good faith move cause China is starved from oil rn. Honestly one of the only proper political moves of the last few weeks

>>65000876
Somebody (probably Cain) got the message across that invading the island at the current stage would cost more than what they are comfortable with

>>65000864
anon, at some point you have to stop thinking that trump is a 5D chessmaster and admit that he's just an 80 year old retard

>>65000888
Remember when Venezuela started handing out rifles to civilians because they thought another 10 year jungle war is coming ? yeah, good times.
>Digits
Checked

>>65000864
I would believe this if they didn’t start this operation with a fraction of the air assets that was used against Iraq.

>>65000888
>his statement is an all caps word salad again
Moving forward not only would I like to see maximum ages for anyone running for POTUS (and congress or any other kind of elected office) and also pass a basic elementary school reading test. It's fucking baffling.

>>65000855
>I don't get why it's amateur hour in the White House.
Because it's an amateur in the Oval Office.
He is beholden to (((donors))), his strange psychological state, his hubris and ego and ineptitude and ignorance and stupidity.

>>65000863
wouldn't it be better to surround and isolate them, prevent resupply or relief, and take them prisoner?

>>65000884
I thought the whole point of everything he does was to weaken China.

>>65000824
A thousand horny marines descend upon the island unopposed and inappropriate the pipelines by attempting fornications with them. China and india and whoever the fuck else get no oil until the strait is open.

>>65000864
having issued a 48hr ultimatum the Iranians now know when they will be attacked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Raiding Hormuz to try to eliminate the choke point would be even worse.
The others no value.
>Is strategic deception possible in the current year ?
Donny deceives himself so I suppose so.
>>65000876
He extended the 48hr deadline?
lol, looks like taco back on the menu
>>65000892
He's trying to Roy Cohn this now, disregard facts and declare victory and walk away.

>>65000824
I'm hoping for 4k drone videos, dying russians don't even twitch my penis anymore.

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>>65000824
Ram Ranch 2.0

isn't that island within range of drones from the mainland? If the ayazuttahs have learned shit from vatnik they will just start attacking the marines there with fpv drones

>inb4 EW
fiber optic spools

>>65000899
Its becoming more and more obvious that they did not forsee this taking more than a few days and only give a temp rise in oil prices. We are coming up on a month of conflict with major impacts on the oil flowing out, and starting to see some of the long-term secondary and tertiary effects popping up.

Some anons will probably scream that "the US does not need oil from ME" (even tho they import around 200 mill barrels per year from the gulf), which is true, but at the end of the day it will impact pump prices in the US.

Ive personally been enjoing the spike and offloaded a few stocks that went 30-40% in two weeks, but 100-120 DPB is not sustainable

>>65000909
They would need to contest the airspace more to bring those out.

>>65000912
you dont need much for drone operators. random civvie huts to hide in is enough for them to hide in and launch them out. Unless airforce has ways to spot the fiber optic cables from air and then follow them to their source. Even then you can counter that with proxy launch sites remote operated from the next hut over

Ukraine also claims to have achieved distance of 150 kilometers from starting point. Although these are extreme edge cases and all extra spool comes at the cost of less explosives carried along

>>65000824
>1 F35 damaged by [insert gulf state]
>2 helicopters downed by islamist birdstrikes
>3 truth social rants about nato's treachery
>4 SEALs drowned in the suez canal (not part of the Kaarg operation)
>5 marines injured in a '6-7 incident'

>>65000918
>4 SEALs drowned in the suez canal (not part of the Kaarg operation)
Kek, imagine the books that their friends will write

>>65000911
it has been wargamed and strategised repeatedly, it was known if anyone bothered to check
>Some anons will probably scream that "the US does not need oil from ME"
Trump himself has said this.
But this fails to understand US geostrategic policy.
The US is in the Middle East to C O N T R O L the oil, who it goes to, cut it off from them, and maintain a steady supply to maintain global finance - look at the chaos as 20% of the global supply is now cut. Plus profits for US corporations too.
Even if you produce all your own oil and dont import the supply has gone down while demand remains the same meaning price goes up even in the US.
A typical failure of Trump and his reactionary base. They do not understand, they do not want to understand, understanding is seen as suspicious.

>>65000909
>>65000912
>>65000915
They employed human wave tactics in the Iran-Iraq War

>>65000909
Russia and Ukraine can fly drones because the air space is not in control of either side. If Iran starts flying drones, fine, but the USA will find out where the operators are and drop stuff on them. In Ukraine, you find operators either by luck, recon or because China told Russia where the operators are. The only way to deal with them is either hoping you got artillery in range or fly your own drone and hope that deals with it. The USA has plenty of munitions to drop on a house holding a drone operator.

>>65000915
Fibre optic drones are limited by range, especially when you're attacking an island. There would be a limited amount of launch locations and, again, they work in Ukraine because there is very little air assets active. If you can sit in a 'civvie hut' as you say for days on end because the side can't hit you, that's different when facing a side that can hit you and has the intel assets to check all possibly launch locations (because, again, fibre optic drones have a limited range and you're attacking an island, so even smaller potential launch sites).

>>65000826
fpbp

>>65000925
Kids are not humans

Most obvious nothingburger. Nothing this telegraphed is going to happen. If they want to stop Iranian oil exports they can announce that if Gulf oil can't freely flow trough the straits, then neither can yours. Tit for tat.

>>65000907
Is this gay porn?

>>65000824
>What happens?
I hit you you hit the floor I fuck your mudda again

>>65000894
they're doing quite well regardless, because the technological gap is also wider

>>65000864
I'm quite certain the US military is capable of strategic deception, but I have no trust in either political party to keep its mouth shut; Donald is retarded and the Dems are instathots playing politics

>>65000876
>unless Trump just lied
I mean, Trump's talking about "very good talks with Iran the last days" as a reason for postponing attacks, while Iran says that no talks have taken place, not even through unofficial channels...
Im not saying Iran is to be trusted, but this seems kinda sketchy

>>65001032
Either talks are indeed on or hes waiting for this upcoming weekend.

>>65001036
>no strikes until after the stock markets close

>>65001047
Barron got to get his longs and shorts in first

>>65000824
We are going to have Iwo Jima 2.0 You can (not) survive?

>>65001055
More like Bay of Pigs 2.0

Thus the Taco folds.

>>65001089
Would be kinda funny if it all ends in some kind of agreement ala JCPOA, just with Obongo's name scratched out

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>feed me the 82nd airborne

>>65001101
Nah, the Iranians aren't going to agree to something worth less than toilet paper.

The likely outcome is that he's milking the markets again and he'll start meat cubeing Marines Monday next week or after his Polymarket bets regarding the war have been set up.

>>65000824
Why even land on Kharg? We can achieve the same ends with sea mines.

>>65001101
>JCPOA
Was a bit of a meme anyway. It had built in sunset timelines. If it was still in force all constraints on centrifuges and enrichment would expire in 2030.

>>65000918
What about random Osprey crashes?

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>>65000993
>doesn't know about ram ranch
Next you will be asking what is gachimuchi. What are you even doing here as you definitely aren't a 4chinner

>>65000855
you're starting to sound like a zigger

>>65000855
>Trump did it with Venezula and Cuba, why is he not doing it for Iran?
Because his masters have other plans.

>>65001139
Well it's a zigger president so it fits

>>65000856
>The island is where 95% of Iran's oil gets shipped out of the country apparently. And as the other anons said, it's a bargaining chip for future negotiations.
That makes no fucking sense though. You don't have to physically hold the island to render it worthless for shipping. And the whole problem here is THAT APPLIES TO BOTH SIDES. Our military has zero ability to keep it protected from Iran same as Iran can't keep it protected from us. It's too fucking close, just 20 miles from mainland Iran, fucking anything can wail away at it and terminals are all super vulnerable. If Iran concludes it's now worthless to them they have no reason not to just blast away at it and the MEU that will now be sitting ducks there. They can render the airport inoperable trivially. The navy has been refusing to even convoy ships, now they'll be in charge of supporting logistics for a unit sitting on this little island. The whole thing is just spazzing out because there was absolutely no plan.

>>65001139
>you're starting to sound like a zigger
You /pol/troons are so fucking obvious. Imagine writing:
>"criticizing the Great Tsar is verboten and makes you sound like a zigger"
lmao. Unbelievable projection.

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>thirdies beating their little brown dicks again about how they're totally going to slaughter their enemies for real this time

>>65001375
I'll just call you brownoid instead

>>65000824
I guess a lot of people die and the gains are questionable at best

>>65001387
>cetuly of humiriation ovel gwailo!
China should do something right now then.

Thousands of Russians dying horribly and retardedly MUST mean Americans would too. It HAS to. Please just give me this, it's not fair!

Why do the shills always cry about jannies like buckbroken fools?

>>65001421
Maybe if you didnt spam you wouldnt be banned. Its always you guys crying about jannies after you get banned 20+ times for spamming the same shit over and over.

>>65001409
Just /pol/troons angry that schizoposting isn’t allowed.

>>65001421
When have they EVER retaliated? Or are you talking about their naval vessels playing bumper cars while being antagonized by the fucking flips of all people?

>>65001433
>antagonized by the fucking flips

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>>65001444

>>65001444
>th-they cucked you!
Stop having a meltie, Chang. I will continue to hurt the feelings of the Chinese people by reminding them of how they let that bitch Pelosi shame them in front of the whole world.

>>65001444
>with feelings hurt

>>65001449
>greater Taiwanese pissing and shitting himself in anger
This happens so often.

>Hanmutt calling anyone else mutts
Han Chinese are like if America and mass immigration into it existed for thousands of years, theyre turbomutted to the extreme.

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>>65001449
Sorry about your feelings. But check out this B52 departing the RAF Fairford with GBU-31s, aint that cool ?

>>65001475
>um you’re talking to a European and should hate your historical allies!
lol fuck off, you squinty-eyed mongol rapebaby

>>65001465
Based. This war has brought together all bombers together such as the Lancer, B1 and B2, alongside the B52, the bomber grandpa

>>65001475
How about I assume youre an angry mutt instead

>>65001475
>I'm not here for weapons
then leave

What happens:
>MEU runs a gauntlet of fire for several hundred kilometers through the straits of Hormuz just to get to the island.
>Iranian Artesh alerted by the attempt to force the straits is mobilized and ready for the MEU landings (not that they need it since you can track the ships in real time from civil satellite coverage lol...)
>American air force unable to provide sustained suppression the whole length of the coast line and island defences (Watch Iranian troops take shelter in and around the gas facilities Trump has explicitly ordered to not be damaged).
>MEU, under fire on the beaches, with no decent armor support, gets bogged down in urban fighting in the densely packed island with 150,000 civilians running around for cover caught in the crossfire.
>mass civilian casualties from the fighting, international condemnation and disavowal over these civilian losses further isolating the USA. Americans won't care about dead Iranians, but already plummeting domestic support craters when Iranians release reels of FPV drone footage slamming into marines.
>MEU, unable to sustain its losses and be resupplied, bugs out in an operation that makes the assault on Koh Tang seem organized.

I really don't understand why everybody is talking about Kharg Island. I think any American who is seriously talking in favor of this scenario has never looked at the relevant maps. It's like some retarded version of the Gallipoli invasion putting the cart before the horse. First you seize the straits, then you seize the island several hundred kilometers past the straits, you imbeciles.

BRICS cope brigade working overtime today lol

>>65000824
>What happens?
Not much on Kharg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musa
This one is more likely.

There's a couple Iranian controlled tiny islands not recognized as Iranian territory, so it makes perfectly sense to control them. Almost no people live there, so not much chance for an insurgency, and it's useful for the Iranians if they want to keep Hormuz closed.

Kharg only makes sense as a bargaining tool, to give back to Iran. Trump's ego won't allow that. And oil shipment through Kharg can be stopped, without controlling it anyway. It really makes no sense to take it.

>>65001494
No one believes you, slanty.

>>65001494
>try reading just I few words beyond that
no. get out.

>>65001486
>I think any American who is seriously talking in favor of this scenario has never looked at the relevant maps.
Most Americans in favor of any of this probably couldn't point to Iran on a map. Or Israel for that matter.

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>>65000863
>If I was Iran, I would booby trap the entire island and pull out when the marines show up. Then I will send drones into this barren island and teach jarhead how to eat sand. The entire island is exposed and people will get PTSD when the sky starts talking in Shahed.

>>65001508
>you have to be able to find something on a map to understand why it’s significant in terms of geopolitics!
Never understood this retard tier argument.

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>>65000855
agent orange wants YUGE "trade deal" (bribes) from emperor Xi in the upcoming summit. he is very afraid of pissing off changs. Meanwhile his admins accountant Bessent seems to be on a holy rampage to lift any and all sanctions ever put on by the US on anybody. Including Iran oil whom US is also now bidding for oil despite being at war with them (lol)

its just easier to accept the US is being hollowed by a foreign agent they nominated and elected as their absolutist king. No matter if there is nothing but personal sympathy motivating him. Behavior is the same with similar results

>>65001516
Why are you so butthurt over jannies?

>>65001523
Really? I'd think even you'd be able to manage that.

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>>65001508
Not even hyperbole

>>65000835
>I still don't see the point.
>They don't get any more control of Iran's oil than the US already has(they can already seize Iranian tankers) and it makes them sitting ducks.

I think Kharg is just desinformation, Trump will take outlying iranian islands in the gulf for some easy wins first.

>>65001530
Hes a spammer mad that his spam gets deleted.

>>65001523
hint: the 'geo' part of 'geopolitics' comes from 'geography'

>>65001032
>>65000876
>>65000902
Lol, I'm pretty sure Trump just says things he wants to happen and hopes people fall in line. He literally said the UK and everyone was sending ships, and then they told him to go to hui.

>>65000835
If they take the island they control all of Irans oil exports, not just the ones done by Irans shadow fleet.
That's the theory anyways, in practice Iran will probably either stop exporting completely or stop exporting and also blow up the facilities on the island.

>>65001647
>Iran will completely destroy its own economy just to spite the US
Please it would be so funny.

>>65001626
>I have a workable plan for peace in the Middle East because I memorized the GDP of every nation and know what nations border the Nile!
Yeah

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Kino

>>65001665
Anon, they are a sandnigger deathcult.
Don't fall for John Mearshimers bullshit when he tells you that this would be irrational and they therefore won't do it.

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How would they have handled the defense of Iran?

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What purpose do these two serve?

>>65001728
Burning gas.

>>65001732
is it a dominance thing?

>>65001735
Gas comes up when you pump oil. If you can't store it anywhere you burn it off.

>>65000826
FPBP

>>65000824
actual timeline:
>SEAD into DEAD
>ground operations go fairly well with heavy air support
>iranian military on island rendered combat ineffective
>occupation begins
>indirect fires and drone attacks from mainland are a constant
>trickle of casualties, wasted munitions intercepting incoming fires
>eventually the cost outweighs the benefits
>only way to secure safety of the island is a mainland invasion to supress and hunt every possible launch site
>MEU leaves or mainland invasion begins
the real question is if it puts enough pressure on at the negotiating table, but that table may be closed for a good long while at this rate.

>>65001735
in addition to what other anon said, there's some other hazardous shit you gotta burn off when refining too, overpressures, ect. the CO2 and other burn products are safer than the unburned gasses.

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>>65001690
You have been visited by the Jack-in-the-Pizzabox Ayatollah of SCORCHED EARTH WITHDRAWAL.

2500 Devil Dogs will get droned on Khaarg unless you type THIS ONE'S FOR CHESTY! in the comments.

>>65001765
And then Batman beats up all your bullies.

>>65000855
The idea as I understand it is to ease pressure on the global oil market by allowing as much out of the Persian Gulf as possible. I think this is mostly for domestic political leaders because as gas prices rise so does disapproval of the campaign. I don't see how seizing kharg avoids this issue though, better off seizing ships and sending with to Western aligned destinations until China starts pressuring Iran.

>>65001786
what?

>>65000831
>Graham was spot on egging on Trump to attack Iran
Graham is obviously a down-low nigga being blackmailed by Trump.
He started out being Trump's fiercest critic and literally, overnight, became his biggest dick-rider. Without passing in between.
It's either compromising pics, or several suitcases of cash. But I'm guess the former.

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Forget the MEU, could the GLA liberate Kaarg Island from Iran?

>>65001747
>>indirect fires and drone attacks from mainland are a constant
>>trickle of casualties, wasted munitions intercepting incoming fires

Khe Sanh II The Sand Boogaloo and Drone Rodeo.

I think America + NATO can take the coastal plains relatively easy, but going inland will be very hard. And taking the hormuz coast side is meaningless as long as iran can bomb gulf arab oil transfer stations and the tankers moored there. So inland it has to be.

>>65001968
hell, khe sanh might even be too late a war comparison to make here. it's more like the very start where marines were just stuck in da nang sitting there getting shelled because they couldn't go off and patrol to seek out the mortar crews shooting at them. ive got little doubt that the military operations can succeed going inland, securing the coast, or whatever the choice is, the problem is that there's always going to be someone just out of reach shooting at the newly secured areas. just a constant cycle of 'well we took X, but now we need Y to protect X, and we'll need Z to protect Y...'

>>65000824
Iwo Jima but on fire.

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>>65000835
I think he's LARPing like he's a king from the Enlightenment.

--foppish dandy
--looks like a clown with his obvious makeup
--mercantilist
--colonialist
--hates coalitions except when he's in charge
--absolute monarch
--uses treasury like his own personal piggy bank
--obsessed with gold decorations
--demented but his courtiers flatter him

I'm pretty sure he thinks he can negotiate by taking the island and using it as a bargaining chip.

>>65002094
So basically the reasoning behind Kursk.

>>65002094
I'm sure someone(maybe not the marines) will tell him that, it would be a gigantic shitshow and a huge mistake

>>65001172
You hold it to bargain its exchange for the opening of Hormuz

>>65001486
>bugs out
how? they'd be surrounded

>>65001486
> I think any American who is seriously talking in favor of this scenario has never looked at the relevant maps.
Lindsey Graham and the other people who got him to attack are the ones now doing this, and comparing it to Marine 'victories' at Iwo Jima

>>65001508
oh they could definitely point to Israel and even the Settlements they fund

>>65002094
>>65002107
it's Lindsey Graham and the others who egged him on doing this

>>65002137
>You hold it to bargain its exchange for the opening of Hormuz
The post you're replying to explains why that's fucking stupid anon. Holding it is meaningless, you can threaten to destroy it and then agree not to in exchange for opening of Hormuz. And if you're not willing to do that then the whole idea is dumb, because if Iran thinks they won't get it back then they can just destroy it (and the MEU now sitting there) themselves. What do they have to lose in that case? And we could also just seize their oil tankers if we were going to go that far in perfect safety out in the ocean. Without tankers the island can't function either.

Instead Trump's new new new (new {new}) Master Winning™ Plan is:
1. Allow Iranian tankers to just go wherever to sell oil.
2. Eliminate all sanctions on Iran's oil so that it's even easier for them to sell and they make more money.
3. Send vulnerable troops to the most dangerous deepest hardest to support area without naval support so they can be on a tiny desert island where we will then stop the oil shipping of the Iranian ships that we let cruise on by to China.
4. Yeah.

>>65002165
>The post you're replying to explains why that's fucking stupid anon.
we are talking about people who decided to bomb as negotiations were going great in Oman and everything was being agreed to

>>65001409
>>65001430
Shut the fuck up, bootlickers.

>>65002165
>And we could also just seize their oil tankers if we were going to go that far in perfect safety out in the ocean.
Which the US can't do since its Chinese ships buying oil
Same reason Russia can keep trading with everyone

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>>65002184
>upset at the fact that we finally have a decisive geopolitical actor in the white house instead of the narcoleptic retiree

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>>65002184

Then the shills be right about americans sending ground troops in iran

>>65002185
>Which the US can't do since its Chinese ships buying oil
Of course we can. Same as we can just attack Iran because we felt like it. If we want to enforce a blockade and prevent any ships from going by the Hormuz ourselves unless we approve that'd be trivial. Iran can do that from land, US can do it from the sea. We've enforced blockades plenty of times in the past as have lots of other countries. Choosing not to do so in favor of the fucking retarded idea of sending boots to the island to die is absolutely a choice.
>Same reason Russia can keep trading with everyone
Yes, "same reason" being Trump dropping sanctions on them too and being unwilling to do anything to stop them because he's Monke's piss baby.

>>65002194
Jesus is that what the white house looks like now? It's so damn tacky. Like what a super poor person would imagine a rich person's house would be. "GOLD PAINT EVERYWHERE!!!"

>>65002225
It's long been theorised the US could try to provoke a seccessionist movement in the oil producing south, go in to "save" it and declare it a rump state, and then leave the rest of the country to become another Syria

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>>65002094
>I think he's LARPing like he's a king from the Enlightenment.
You could also call a spade a spade and recognize that he's the most nigger of all the wigger Presidents the US has ever elected.
- hates work
- likes bling
- low IQ, shifty, serial criminal
- wherever he is, he must rape white wimmen and girls
- hates whites, will call them names on the record, but especially hates successful negros

>>65001935
From?

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>>65002094
>>65002255
his bling obsession is apparently inspired by an Iranian, he demanded his Trump Tower apartment be renovated into its current gaudy style - pic related is its original design - by a casino designer after he visited the home of Adnan Khashoggi (of Iran-Contra fame)

>>65001793
That's what I was thinking. Divert the oil money into an "Iran Freedom Fund" which is supposed to help the country transition to democracy (but actually to pay for US contractors like Haliburton). Get OPEC to stop China from giving IRGC a lifeline.

The oil blockade is supposed to affect China the most, except USA is allowing both Iran & China to keep playing hooky right under their noses. This war will keep dragging on forever with current policies.

>>65002308
China has stopped oil exports, they have been developing public transportation and wind and nuclear power

>>65000907
Kill yourself redditor

>>65001147
>>65001174
Maduro lost, the Ayatollah lost, China will continue to lose.

>>65001728
Giant Iranian death cannons that are blessed by Mohammed himself, they will single-handedly sink the entire MEU

>>65000826
God, i hope so

>>65002564
>dramatic escalation
good goyum

>>65002564
>that just took a direct hit from a 155 on Iwo Jima
Japan wasn't firing 155's on Iwo Jima. 75mm, 90mm (coastal guns) and 320mm spigot mortars. 120mm AA guns were also used as make-shift artillery. The Type 89 was used earlier but not on Iwo Jima. The Type 96 was also 15cm but wasn't at Iwo Jima (but was at Okinawa).

this isn't just brownoid larp, Lindsey Graham is advocating it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--v-qItCUkU
he's one of the people who convinced Trump to attack

>>65002583
Senator Holden Bloodfeast is finally getting what he wants.

>>65002580
Thank you for your insight.

>>65000824
>Air Force blows up everything above ground
>Marines heli in
>as they approach, surviving Iranians come out of their hidey holes and knock down as many choppers as they can with MANPADS before air support kills them too
>surviving Marines land at the airport and immediately find themselves under fire from Iranians hiding in the ruins of the urban areas on either side of the runway
How it goes from there depends on how many Iranians survive the bombardment to ambush the actual assault force, which itself is contingent on how many forces are actually on the island. If it's a significant number, like even a couple thousand men, it could be a catastrophe. If it's just a few hundred, they can do serious damage but won't be able to overpower the assault force and will be hunted down. However, even in that scenario, the Iranians will subject the Marines to drone and rocket attacks until they dig themselves tunnels to shelter in, at which point they'll be safe. Nothing can be done to fully guard supply transports however, they and the logistics personnel will always be at risk of being attacked. A captured Kharg could easily become a casualty sink which would incentivize escalating to a mainland landing to push the Iranians farther back, though that in itself would be a clusterfuck of an idea.

>>65000824
tag me in coach I've got my mortar ready

>>65002665
Why do that when we can just airdrop sea mines to make the harbor unusable.

>>65002680
If that were the plan, they wouldn't be bringing in the Marines

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>>65002680
You do realize the point of taking that position is to make it usable because it isn't usable right now, right?

>>65002665
>until they dig themselves tunnels to shelter in,

Kharg is a rock island. Are they going to use pickaxes?

>>65001539
>middle of ocean
Yeah, that's not fake as hell.

>>65002704
They are currently exporting from it? Putting sea mines in the harbor would stop them.

>>65002725
>currently exporting
>blockading thier own exports
I could see that.

>>65002721
If I had to guess, that's people taking the survey just clicking to get through it.

>>65001666
knowing where the middle east is at all would be a pretty good start

>>65002725
You are so assbackwards about this topic it's difficult to tell if you're actually stupid or just tourist-ignorant.

>>65002802
Iran is still exporting it's oil from Kharg Island.

>>65001626
Based latin ignoramus.

>>65002850
They want the US to go to war with Iran, not destroy the world economy

>>65002850
>Good goy tank the world economy for Shitrael
k?

>>65002884
Senator Bloodfeast here >>65002583 and others like this are the ones floating the Kaarg idea
I think Israel wants the US to invade and break up Iran

>>65002850
>be met with mining
if there's anything you can easily assume with how things have gone so far, it's that this second order thinking is not being performed by the administration's decision makers. imagine that the US is the ONLY active agent who can make decisions or take actions, and that everyone else will just have to deal with it and you'll be able to make the same retarded decisions that they do.

>>65002988
Can the Iranians stop us from killing them? Are Iran's attempts at retaliation helping it?

>>65003011
You would need to genocide the population of Iran to defeat them.

>>65003021
Closing the strait isn't working.

>>65000824
>What happens?

IF they had a nuke, the strategic Mad Dog deterrent would be testing it on a landing force, closer to MidTerms the better. Near to the same effect on oil prices in the long term as striking either Gulf State oil processing and/or desalination plants.

>>65000835
>They don't get any more control of Iran's oil than the US already has(they can already seize Iranian tankers) and it makes them sitting ducks.

The one reason to take and hold it would be to parlay the oil export infrastructure toward ending the conflict-- or them hiding something in plain site which couldn't be B-2'd without chopping the world economy's dick off at the same time per the above.

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>>65002583
>>65002626
>>65002889

>>65003064
UNSC Resolution 2817

>>65003095
The Gulf States are looking to expand the war. Europe has also made mumblings about securing the strait, with Asian states offering support. It looks like trying to mess with the world's energy supply has actually not put pressure on the United States, but on Iran. Keeping it up will only build the pressure on Iran and incetivize the rest of the world to stop Iranian attacks on shipping.

>>65003031
They would elect Trump as Shaw of Iran, so I doubt it.

>>65003129
But, it's a plausible theory. Give it 6 more months to fester.

>>65003143
>Yes goy spend billions of dollars more for Shitrael

Still no source

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>>65003129
Ok
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/nato-leader-says-allies-coming-together-to-secure-strait-of-hormuz-mark-rutte-iran-war-oil-prices-middle-east
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-gulf-states-offense-decision-b8d98ff9?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqeunAcmEBhdsXfAck55B5qIDO2W2ixDNxaFD4iifckHBhYczpSIRm7ss6i9ZgY%3D&gaa_ts=69c203b3&gaa_sig=0dGmLKFtwoW3QcXGxtZIglbvYiuDbYsqd2zRH3GegZ5Yrt4SszMvQsNBR4QYv12s3iOGGn9P-nQFXZgRbXXJIg%3D%3D

>>65000926
>Fibre optic drones are limited by range
You're not up to date on the realities. They now easily go over 30 miles of range, which would be more than enough to reach anywhere on the island.

>>65001486
>I really don't understand why everybody is talking about Kharg Island
Because the logic is the it's occupation could be used a bargaining chip to force the regime into agreeing to your conditions. Which is a naive viewpoint because westerns don't realize how such regimes operate.

>>65003201
Any ends that could be achieved by occupation could be achieved by mining the harbor.

>>65003167
I feel like everything would have gone smoother if he formed a coalition with several countries, I mean Dubya was able to do it.

>>65003217
And a week ago their stance was far less amenable to American goals. In another week their stance will be more amenable still.

>>65003221
Why would that be true?

>>65003222
>I mean Dubya was able to do it.
That was the work of Dick Chaney.

>>65003239
I was talking about the Europeans and the Asian states. Looks like cutting off their energy made them angry at the ones doing the cutting off, not the United States.

Too much BRICS cope in here

>>65003239
You got it bad. Sucks to be you.

>>65003114
There are tiny islands in the Gulf the UAE would love to have back

>>65002988
Lmao. Pure turd world cope

>>65003243
Iranian oil is not that important.

>>65003265
>The US is the one who did the cutoff
Not according to the rest of the world, including Iran's allies, see UNSC Resolution 2817

>>65003282
And how is being the odd one out going to play out for Iran?

>>65003282
youve been coming to this board for 2 weeks straight crying with this same shit
why are you so emotional?

>>65003296
>Why are you a pedophile who worships Epstein
>projection
How odd.

>>65003296
>US holds veto power on the UN security council
So do Russia and China, supposed allies of Iran.

>>65003288
Its a paranoid schizophrenic off its meds. I must control the jews because Trump is doing exactly what I wanted.
>start fucking up blue hives
>bomb subhumans
>gulf of america
>bomb subhumans
>fuck up maduro
>bomb subhumans
------>You are here.
>invade cuba

>>65002913
>Iran is extremely mountainous and much more populated than Iran was.
I suppose that's true, populations do go up a lot of the time.

>>65003320
Why didn't Russia or China use their vetos to help their ally?

>>65000918
And a partridge in a pear treeee

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>>65003320
>t. holden
Oh shit that made me laugh. I have like four memes saved on my computer. Respectable Bipartisan is one of them. Good night, you loony fuck.

>>65002988
>Even the most delusional Amerishart poster on /k/ recognizes there is no path to victory for the US

There is no path for a cheap or easy or quick victory. An expensive, hard and slow victory is certainly possible.

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>>65003265
>ad judeus
Not an argument.

>>65002198
>chair for a guest
It's fucking baffling how much derangement this image caused, Trump did the same thing for King Charles and South Korean President Lee.

>>65003054
>wants to use a nuke before he dies
Understandable and based.

>>65000824

Taking the island is likely very easy but than what?

It doesn't reopen the strait, drives oil prices even higher and the marines will be sitting duck against shirt range missiles, drones and even artillery while surrounded by oil tanks and gas pipelines.

What did you achieve?

>>65003700
Is there an equivalent to AIPAC for the UK and Sork?

>>65003163
Oh we're doing it in this thread too? SURE THING BUCKO!
>The Spectator Index is the name of a popular Twitter account and website run by Abdul-Latif Halimi, a doctor from Melbourne, Australia. Its Twitter account has over 3 million followers.

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>>65003705
They don't need it, we've already fought multiple wars on their behalf.
>AIPAC
They aren't even in the top 20.

>>65001527

What about GAS?

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>>65000899
>I thought the whole point of everything he does was to weaken China.
I wouldn't assume that; POTUS, senior Whitehouse advisors, influential donors, influential foreign influence, the Pentagon and the State department, all have the same agenda here.

At least some of the flip-flopping is different factions/actors gaining momentary policy control by being the last person to talk to the golden man-child when he was in the right mood to be influenced.
TACO is sometimes just a result of scheduling people in a different order to usual.

>>65000909
>isn't that island within range of drones from the mainland
Marines have been trialling crewed and autonomous/remote air defence for an island hopping campaign in the pacific.
Kharg island might be a really good test of that doctrine and its maturity.

>fiber optic spools
Significantly less reliable over water, borderline unusable due to technical factors.

>>65000938
>Kids are not humans
t. zigger

>>65001409
>Why do the shills always cry about jannies like buckbroken fools?
If someone is accustomed to possessing or feels entitled to power over others and/or privileges denied to others, then being denied power or privilege feels like an attack.

You're really just seeing a /pol/tard used to schizo posting the most blatant lies and propaganda and then running into board rules and possibly jannie-enforced board culture and whining that they're not able to do whatever the fuck they want.

>>65001807
>Graham is obviously a down-low nigga being blackmailed by Trump.
Graham's sexuality is the worst kept secret in washington and that's saying something.
It's just politics.

He has his agenda, which certainly hasn't changed, but attacking Trump doesn't get him anything but primaried (not that he's in much danger probably but there's no upside to it).
By sucking up to Trump and making himself useful to the whitehouse now and then, he can advance his agenda here and there.
It's more like damage control than allegiance.
FYI: Vance plays the same game.

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>>65002165
>Holding it is meaningless, you can threaten to destroy it and then agree not to in exchange for opening of Hormuz

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>>65003783
Lindsey has been an advocate for bombing Iran since his last boyfriend John McCain was all about it, if not longer. He's entirely a creature of the Military Industrial Complex.

I see the shills had a hard time fighting the jannies and then they lost.
>>65003769
It was a fucking joke about Iranian "demining squads" you turbonigger.

>>65002665
>>as they approach, surviving Iranians come out of their hidey holes and knock down as many choppers as they can with MANPADS before air support kills them too
It's a pretty legitimate target for a ranger paradrop.
Limited ground resistance, MANPADS useless, small arms would be out-of-range because everything in the LZ has been flattened or is being suppressed by drones, both MALE and FPVs from boats or even air launched.

>>65002715
>Kharg is a rock island. Are they going to use pickaxes?
I'm sure they have built some bunkers on the thing in the last several decades. Defending the island from a US assault is an entirely predictable task that the IRGC would have contemplated for years.
Shipping in some excavators and blasting equipment to make some holes is pretty easy when you run a country.

>>65000838
Doesn't work :
If the strait stays closed, nothing get out of the island anyway.
If the strait opens, we can make sure nothing get out of the island too.
The only scenario where Iran's oil can get out is if we let foreign ships dock in the island and then get through the strait.

>>65003810
foreign ships currently use the island.

>>65003838
The mutts had their entire navy, airforce and most of their senior leadership blown apart and have failed to shoot down a single aircraft?

This is all so silly
Why have nukes if you never use them?

>>65000824
Will we have a ship named USS Siege of Kharg in 20 years?

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>>65003843
Then you have less of these shiny, warm nukes dummy!
>>65003846
Don't count on anything bigger than a patrol boat.

>>65003868
>Don't count on anything bigger than a patrol boat
It will be an LHD or a DDG you brown turd

>>65003846
Last war that had ships named after battles is GWOT, USS Fallujah and USS Helmand Province, both America-class LHDs

>>65003859
How is this a humiliation ritual?

I want you to explain, in detail, how what is presently happening to Iran is in-fact a humiliation ritual for the US.

>>65003882
>mom I posted it again.

>>65003871
It thought that the bigger ships of related role are named after bigger, more serious engagements, am I wrong?

>>65003890
Kharg will be a big campaign, I am from the future

>>65003897
>schizophrenic ramblings
I asked that you explain your thesis - that this is a "humiliation ritual" for the US. Thus far all you've been able to do is re-post a heavily cropped screenshot wherein someone else says that Trump said something.

This is how I know you aren't White. You see, White people have an internal sense of honor. For us, it is dishonorable to do bad work, and you're doing absolutely terrible work.

What's the US casus belli for all this again?

>>65003910
Nuclear weapons moron

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>>65003907
The reality being that we're bombing Iran with total impunity? That we have destroyed their navy, airforce, strategic missile forces, most of their senior leadership, two divisions, most of their O&G infrastructure for the loss of zero (0) aircraft?

That reality?

>>65003882
>>65003909
It's "pilpul" you illiterate freak

>>65003912
What's preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons once the war is over? Isn't this even more incentive to develop them, given it's the only way to prevent another bombing like this?

>>65003910
>What's the US casus belli for all this again?
Well there is the whole kidnap our embassy staff for four years thing. Then the whole kill 200 Marines in Beruit thing. Then the whole patrol boat thing. Then the whole "arm Iraqis to kill Americans" thing. And of course the Tanker War thing. And all the plots to kill/kidnap American diplomatic staff in the ME thing.

I think the main thing though, is a failure to negotiate. Sitting down with Trumps team and starting negotiations by saying "We wont agree to anything you cant take without military force, we have enough material for 11 nukes so thats our opening position" is a tremendously stupid thing to say.

>>65003910
DOW fell below 50000

>>65003222
oh yeah, undoubtedly. It would be an uphill battle considering how irrationally antagonistic he's been during his second term so far, but this shit would not be half the problem it is right now if he managed to get other countries on board with it before-hand. God I wish he had better people to tard-wrangle him like in his first term, everything would be so different if there was someone keeping him from destroying everything and himself.

>>65003921
So the casus belli is really just "we don't like Iran very much"

More importantly, what can be gained from this? It's clear there isn't going to be a change in leadership, so now it's just an entire new generation of Iranians given a reason to hate the US.

>>65003918
>What's preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons once the war is over?
USAF, IAF, USN.

Whole goal here was to reach a deal. Iranians absolutely pissed Trump off during the negotiations, so this is happening. Hopefully, they will come to their senses and make a deal.

>>65003910
We had that since the ayatollah took power. The only thing that’s really debatable is why go in with so few aircraft or why we didn’t give any of our allies the heads up.

>>65003918
Regime change double moron. Use your brain.

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>>65003931
>kill hundreds of Americans over a period of ~40 years
>we dont like Iran very much

>>65003931
That entire generation can suck our cock and maybe we should bomb Belgrade again because fuck them too

>>65003935
>The only thing that’s really debatable is why go in with so few aircraft or why we didn’t give any of our allies the heads up.
New talking point just dropped.

>>65003940
Hundreds over 40 years is nothing

>>65003732
>national assn. of realtors
the boomer cabal is real.

>>65003937
There won't be any regime change because there won't be any boots on the ground

>>65003946
>Hundreds over 40 years is nothing
Absolutely brown-coded.

>>65003945
>new
We sent 2 carriers instead of the 6 and didn’t bring any Australians or Euros like we did in Iraq. How is that not something obvious and a sign they half assed this?

>>65003950
Don't need boots, people want change

>>65003953
But we waited too long and most of the brave ones got executed.

>>65003952
Who said we need 6? Who said we need Aussies or Euros?

>>65003931
>More importantly, what can be gained from this?
the actual reason was probably control over oil exports and shipping but lmao that aint gonna happen

"regime change" is never altruistic, they want the place to fall so they can install a us-friendly puppet who will implement US-friendly policies, same as venezuela. they didn't kidnap maduro because muh drugs, they kidnapped him so they could denationalize the oil

>>65003960
Anyone who wants this done fast and to secure the uranium.

This entire thing is going to blow over inside a month

>>65003958
Lol

>>65003907
i wake up and say this aloud every single day

>>65003963
You're an idiot.

>>65003961
Oil is an aspect, and part of a larger goal of isolating China from its energy supply. But for Iran its always been about (1) a 40 year long blood feud we have with them and (2) them being insane and threatening regional allies
>everyone likes to talk about the Jews, but people forget that Saudi and Iran are bitter enemies as well
>the rest of the region hates Iran so much that they allied with the Jews in the Abraham Accords specifically to counter Iran

>>65003970
>just leave the unsecured uranium in a future failed state known for funding terrorists
No U

>>65003972
>unsecured
The its presently secured by the mountain we collapsed on it.

>>65003975
>they were gonna build a nuke in two weeks
>the strike was succesful
>but they moved it
>and they might unearth it in two weeks

>>65003970
you are on some actual 1984 "we have always been at war with X" type shit

>>65003977
I have no idea what you are saying or trying to say. Natanz and Fordow have been obliterated.

>>65003979
>you are on some actual 1984 "we have always been at war with X" type shit
Iran arms the Houthis with missiles. They used those missiles to close the Red Sea less than a year ago. They are constantly fucking around, they are now finding out.

My portfolio never recovers is what happens

Fuck this orange nigger making all his friends rich while I get hammered

>>65003980
The USS Gerald R Fordow is out of action

>>65003980
>Natanz and Fordow have been obliterated.
That's what Trump said last June

>>65003838
>mutts
True, Persians do have Arab, Turk, Mongol, and Indian blood.

>>65000915
Can't have fiber optic wire touch water. Same issue we got on SACLOS AT trying to fire over lakes or rivers.

>>65004271
>Can't have fiber optic wire touch water. Same issue we got on SACLOS AT trying to fire over lakes or rivers.

That is because TOW missiles use a metal wire to send electrical impulses. Fiber optic should work in water because the impulses are light.

>>65000824
total American victory but it's prtty obvious they will just take all the smaller islands in the strait and annex them giving the US gibralta like control of gormuz forever

>>65004178
brown fantasies are fucking hilarious thanks for that. The world truly is lucky you are so stupid

>>65004178
>bomb the island with rockets
So gonna hit your own source of income? Got it

>>65004178
>You know that Iran has homemade GMLRS rockets?
Does Iran also have TIGERS?

>>65004478
Hunted into extinction by the 70s

>>65004426
It's about the index of refraction between the fiber and the surrounding medium. Rain is also a problem for FO.

Do muslims still believe missiles are magic and thay they can endlessly spam them into destroying isreal?

>>65004455
How is it “their” source of income if it’s controlled by the US

>>65004738
>We didn't need oil exports anyway

>>65000826
Its been insufferable since Russia invaded hohol land

>>65000835
This.

Even if the take the island the Iranians will just launch everything they have at it killing marines helplessly on the ground... for what?

>>65001541
This is my read as well. He'll offer to trade them back to Iran for opening the strait, otherwise Trump will hand them over to UAE.

Iran of course won't deal and will pummel whatever islands the US takes, and it will fully whip Iranians up into a nationalist fervour.

>>65007167
>it will fully whip Iranians up into a nationalist fervour.
I mean, good for them ?
There's a point between the US bombing Iran and Iran firing more missiles than they can produce, they'll stop being able more than an minor annoyance.
Them being mad is useless if they cannot act on it.
And if them acting on it gives an excuse to carpet bomb city blocks, there's a moment where they might even ran out of iranians.

>>65001541
Lindsey Graham and other bloodfeasts are demanding it, they aren't bluffing

>>65003940
Saudi Arabia killed more in a shorter time frame

Trump will absolutely send those 10k+ Marines soon.
I'm waiting for some real juicy footage. Twitter will probably be completely turned off though to hide the visually confirmed losses.

>>65007223
>10k+

It's only 1 MEU so far
82nd is supposed to be sending 3k, so that's a brigade

>>65007200
You know that's an Iraqi base since 2011, right ?

>>65000839
Could and should just bomb Iranian oil infrastructure

>>65000824
burger soldiers FPV drone gore, plenty of it.
On the grand scheme of things, I don't know. American strategy towards this war is beyond schizophrenic. Waging war on Iran, then lifting sanctions on Iranian and Russian oil in hope to get the oil flow moving, then trying to negotiate, then bombing energy, then trying to negotiate again, now invading an oil island after lifting sanctions on Iranian oil, then presumably they will withdraw after a good deal of marines get droned doing nothing on an empty island whose loss doesn't effect the Iranian war effort whatsoever.

>>65002101
The whole war was started with delusional third-world tier mentality.
>we're gonna bomb these guys, that'll change their regime, they're on the brink of collapse, TWO MORE WEEKS!
That was Saddam's master plan when he invaded Iran in 1981, that their regime was teetering on collapse and Iraqi troops rolling across the border would tip it over and the people would rise up against their government and welcome the foreign liberators. King Orange is kinda late on the boots on the ground thing.

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>>65002094
He's also an underhanded extortionist

>>65007239
>On the grand scheme of things, I don't know. American strategy towards this war is beyond schizophrenic.
Reuters and common sense report that Israel forced the US puppets to attack. Neither of them knows what the fuck to do if the rats just dig in and refuse to cede power.

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>Iran is giving me a big present
What did he mean by this?

>>65007265
Why aren't Americans purging their very obviously foreign government?

>>65007297
Either they are handing over the uranium or they bribed him.

>>65007301
Why would they bribe when they're winning

>>65007305
Whoever did it probably wants his rivals bombed.

>>65001647
>Iran will probably either stop exporting completely or stop exporting and also blow up the facilities on the island
They can still use the Caspian Sea to offload oil to Russia onwards to other countries. IDF just struck there too though so hard to say if it is a reliable backdoor to get oil out.

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>>65000826
>/k/ becomes completely insufferable

>>65000826
I have to admit i've been enjoying the muslim seethe more than the chinese seethe. It's a different vibe at least.

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>>65001735
niggaa

>>65000826
(You)'re talking about OP topic, correct?

>>65003910
US politicians are corrupt retards forever stuck in a mossad blackmail trap