Why are Italian shotguns so expensive?Or really just Italian guns in general
>>65000862O/U and SxS are guns meant for what's a rich person's sport in most of the world, trap and skeet shooting
>>65000879But what makes them expensive? Just reputation?
>>65000891there are a bunch of minor details and fitting that separate a good double barrel from a functional one.stuff like having regulated barrels. the furniture actually fitting the action instead of gaps/shit not meeting up. parts longevity. a bunch of the cheap guns will not have both barrels shoot to the same point of aim ever or make it to 5k without falling apart.
>>65000862For shotguns, nicer and fancier sporters is what Italy's market really wants, so they make a lot of them like that, and people with money in other countries also want those nice shotguns.If you want lower cost Italian scattergats, those do exist, like Benelli's Nova.>>65000879Partially, though you can do fine with a lower cost O/U or automatic, so it's not unusual for middle and lower class people to enjoy shooting skeet.>>65000891When you're looking at a shotgun like this which is priced at $6000, it means they (probably) didn't cut any corners or do anything the cheap and efficient/"efficient" way, this gun wasn't made to be just an affordable tool, but to be a fine and high quality gun to enjoy and be proud of, something you could pass down to your children and grandchildren.Ergo, a lot of old fashioned labor and work, only nice materials and finishing, high amount of quality control.
>>65000862Because you're only looking at the high end ones.There was/is plenty of cheap shit spaghetti shotguns. It's just that those were never really imported to the US in numbers, but on my side of the pond there's more three-fiddy italo shotties around than you can shake a stick at.pic related is my Bettinsoli Campione
>>65000862O/U and SxS shotguns are a bitch to manufacture properly. There's actually a lot going on inside the lockwork and fitment/alignment is very important. You can turkslop one out for like $400 but you'll get shit like >Firing pins break >Barrels aren't aligned at all so one patterns way left and the other crazy high right >Action is so loose that it becomes unsafe after only a dozen shots>Action so stiff and tight that you can't open it unless you break it over your knee >Break lever breaks>Oops, the OTHER firing pin now broke >Trigger fails to switch to firing second shot after the first.>Trigger selector doesn't work so you can't select which barrel fires first >One of the barrels doesn't fire at all. Guess what? Another broken firing pin.>Stock cracks.>Screws on the forend break, forend detaches and the gun falls apart while being used.>Chokes are missing.>Chokes have the wrong thread pitch.>Choke eats a wad and bulges the barrel because there's a gap at its base when threaded in.>Front sight bead goes flying off.>Some pin inside the trigger assembly breaks, comes loose and fucks up EVERYTHING.>The casting for the receiver has a void and it cracks.>And finally, at the staggeringly high round count of ~30 shots the firing pins break AGAIN.To do it properly isn't a question of design, but skilled craftsmanship and an attention to detail that ensures perfect function from butt to choke tube. That requires skilled people who have enough time per gun to make each one perfectly. Anyone can theoretically do that, but it seems like only Italians have an industrial culture of artisans that's geared for doing so on an industrial scale. It isn't cheap. Some of the really outrageous prices are due to aesthetic embellishments which are meant to make the gun more of a piece of man jewelry than a tool, but ~3k for a Beretta Silver Pigeon is about right.
>>65001553I like how you typed out all that while managing to avoid the essence of the question while still spending all that time larping as le old money aristocrat, did you mistake this board for /fa/?
>>65001664But $5500 difference? Any of those internal parts like the firing pin, added together, amounts to $200 difference total at BEST. The stock? Ok maybe another $200 worth of wood if it's reasonably luxurious without getting stupidly "just set my money on fire" expensive. Castings? Ok maybe another $200. Alignment of parts? Harder to measure but probably a couple hundred at best. So $1000 worth of fancy, I guess once you add dealer markups and middlemen and the retard tax that's $5500 worth of differences but it's pretty tough to justify except on fashion grounds.
>>65001710NTA. You can get a solid, reliable, new O/U for $2500-ish. Above that could go either of two directions. Some models are race guns optimized for competition, and just like any other kind of "race" hardware is going to have varying degrees of diminishing returns to min-max performance at competitions. Others are art pieces than anything else. That's not to say they aren't functional, but in that case you're paying more for prestige. This Rizzini is actually pretty cheap as far as that kind of shotgun goes, high end shotguns are frequently deep into 5-figure price tags if not higher.
>>65001701Where did I ignore 'the essence of the question?' Or for that matter larp as having money?They are made to a higher standard because people who really want them don't want them to be shitty or fall apart like a Turkish piece of shit, you faggot.Project elsewhere, you schizo retard.
>>65001664>That requires skilled people who have enough time per gun to make each one perfectly.Obligatory H&H porn reposthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXoNUzAyvk
>>65000862>Why are Italian shotguns so expensive?They are not. If you buy a Rizzini or other brands aimed at professional shooters who often will have you make a custom stock for your shoulder etc then of course they are going to be expensive since you're looking at lower productions with more personalization, better materials and tighter tolerancesYou can get brand new italian O/U for under 800€ if you buy from other brands and lower tier lines like for hunters.
>>65000896>shoot to the same point of aimwhy can't ESLs ever get prepositions right?
