Where the NVA and Viet Cong seen as scum and lowly by the American troops fighting the Vietnam war? Or was there some begrudging respect between them?
Yeah
the Americans fighting the NVA/VC saw them as straight up animals. They thought their traps were barbaric, their tactics cowardly, and their soldiers weak. GI's hated them with every fiber of their being.
>>65001540Depends on who you ask. Most of the first person war accounts I have of the VC aren't of hatred but as acknowledgement they exist. Never read any direct source memoir that ever described them as animals..not even JC Denton's account of his time at the Hilton was really negative towards the Viets. They were seen more as set pieces rather than the incarnations of evil. You also have to remember that a large chunk of the Vietnam war was done by draftees not ideologically motivated individuals
>>65001641Y u mad GI?
>>65001540saw them as low commie scum. Next question
>>65001688>twitter screencap of thing that didn't happen
>>65001540>NVA and Viet CongThose are two entirely different units, composed of entirely different sets of people, with entirely different mission profiles. Every non-insane vet I've listened to, or read gave grudging respect to NVA they faced. Very good at what they did and loads of experience. The opinion of the VC was much lower, as many of them were operating as insurgents, spies and political terrorists. Many people seem to forget the majority of VC were destroyed during Tet, because they were shit at set-piece warfare. NVA never had that problem at places like Dien Bien Phu and Khe Sanh because they knew what they were doing.
>>65001540American troops respected their kino drip.
>>65001540>Where the NVA and Viet Cong seen as scumVC? yeah. the NVA was respected by the people who fought them on a regular basis though.
>>65001540i would think that FMJ's Animal Mother summed up how most GIs felt about them:>i hate the little bastards and enjoy killing them>but they are as hard as little Drill Instructors tho
We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns. These people we wasted here today are the finest human beings we will ever know. After we rotate back to the world, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting.
NVA were proper REDFOR and treated like a baby USSR military. VC were irregulars and hated because theyd just up and murder/destroy all to destabilize areas. The NVA let the VC get bled dry likely for the better.
>>65004613>The NVA let the VC get bled dry likely for the better.I mean, /absolutely/ for the better? In this too, as in set piece normal fighting, the NVA actually seemed to know what they were doing pretty good. If you look at history a lot of irregular forces like the VC became enormous perpetual pains in the ass after a given war was over. The NVA wanted to actually win, and then to rule a country afterwards. Having as many VC as possible "die gloriously against imperial invader" and thus not be around after the americans went home was definitely a smart move.
>>65001691You sound like someone who’s never read anything about the conflict. You have no idea what went through the mind of an “in country” GI in 1967/68 (apart from 7.62 x 39 rounds)Many were college educated young men who knew exactly why the VC were so committed to the war. Many could see (and wrote about) the hopeless corruption of the successive Southern governments and juntas. I guarantee you almost every GI and officer with half a brain respected the opposition far more than they respected their useless ARVN allies.
There’s a long history of warriors having respect for brave enemies.
>>65004922>I guarantee you almost every GI with half a brain respected the opposition far more than their useless alliesThat is a bullshit generalization that you pulled directly out of your ass. "Opposition" was made of two distinct units, NVA and VC. VC were generally despised for being shithead spies and murderers of their own people. The South had plenty of well respected units, as well. Kingbee crews were considered among the best in the world by SOG operators and all of their marine and airborne units were reliable allies. Shitting on conscript-filled ARVN units led by idiots isn't particularly noteworthy. All you've done is cast a wide blanket of generalized bullshit on both sides of the bullshit coin you flipped out there.
>>65004976release the eystein files
>>65004922You sound like a commie sympathizer. Face the wall.
>>65008976I know a Vietnamese guy, asked him about the human skull rice bowls and he assumed it was a Chinese skull.
>>65004760>VC political sacrifice is B plot of this absolute kinofest
>>65004760Another reason was because they knew that once the South fell they would have to contend with the VC for control over Vietnam. So, it was in their best interest to let the VC bleed out once their purpose had been filled
>>65004922You're full of shit lol. My grandfather was college-educated and still thought the VC were scumbags due to seeing the aftermath of South Vietnamese civilians brutalized by them before even getting into a gunfight with them. He didn't feel bad at all for killing them.As for the NVA he never even fought them on the field but he knew them as the “hardcore” because they were actual soldiers.
>>65009589My conspiracy theory is that stuff like the Maquis uprising at Vercors and other partisan actions in the open post-Normandy were deliberately encouraged and potentially promised aid or reinforcements by the allies simply to bleed off rival threats post-war. DeGaulle was not even the recognized leader in France, we just decided he was going to be in charge and there were a lot of other groups in France we had to content with. Knowing the sheer amount of times people we didn't eliminate tried to kill him during his life it seems like we weren't incorrect in our assumptions. The west needed France as stable and on our side as fast as we could for the upcoming war and that was the cost of doing business.>No it's never been confirmed anywhere but watching Ian's video on Vercors when it came out and the subtext of the uprising being allowed to happen just enough to bleed the germans and potential rivals felt extremely obvious to me. Maybe I'm just insane.
>>65001540I asked a guy I shared office space with who was a special forces infantry officer in Nam about this. He spent a lot of time with ARVN rangers. Anyway Yeah, he had respect for the NVA/VC. Those guys stuck it out and kept coming.
>>65001540>Or was there some begrudging respect between themSometimes
>>65001540They only have begrudging respect to an enemy they're wiping out
Wonder why there was underground resistance against the government and the US in South Vietnam, with civilians joining the VC and providing them support, but I don't recall hearing about similar stuff happening up North.
>>65017500Most VC werent from south vietnam
>>65001540American newspapers referred to Vietnam as Prussia of the East at the time. They might be overrated in communist circles, but it is undeniable that Vietnam had one of the most well equipped and experienced fighting forces in Asia at the time
>>65001669Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up?
>>65017737Perhaps, perhaps not. Still, sustaining a force peaking at 200 000 men, all behind enemy lines, can't exist separate from the society they're blended into. Anyhow, I'm more curious about whether comparative forces existed on the other side of things, as I can't seem to find shit.
>>65006486You expect me to believe the gaoler just happened to be taking a nap when he offed himself
Are there any Vietnamese movies about the Vietnam War?
>>65017766Several, I've read about a dozen first person accounts of various guys in Vietnam. Denton's in particular is very famous and documents many things about their torture. I read a very interesting ground combat one by am Army lieutenant in his first tour of the war. That was a very interesting book, more of a witness recount than story. Dude had some crazy one off stories>Used an M79 on a weed head nader to scare the shit outta him>First night with his unit the old lieutenant lays on the ground and refuses to leave cover as he doesn't want to press his luck "Medic!" Is also a great book to read about a concientious objector who still joins and sees combat as a medic. Dude has a wild time and is very much a great recount of an average American trying to do what he thinks is right for self and country. I'll dig a few up for you
>>65026570>When Hell Was In SessionSeven year account of Denton's lockup in the Hilton, covers the creation of their secret language and variants later used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Denton>Medic!CO who won't kill but will be a medic https://archive.org/details/medicstoryofcons00sher, of all the Vietnam war accounts I've read this one always seemed like the most normal human point of view of the war. He meets a great spectrum of people there too that reflect the attitudes >https://www.amazon.com/Vietnam-Combat-Commander-Memoir-Tours/dp/1476699089This might be the other one I was referring to. The field action report style was pretty nuts. They go over one of the draftees abusing some little girls dead body because he was so pussy starved
>>65001540If this documentary is to be trusted, there was only fear and hate to be found.
Anyone who says anything about respect is a liar and read too much propaganda lmfao. I used to talk to my grandfather about the war and the level of racism the average GI held would make today’s libs eye water.
>>65026570>>65026595While i always appriceate a good effortpost, that was a meme.Picture is of deus ex main character, named JC denton, and he says what the anon posted.
>>65001540i think a better question is how did the south vietnamese troops (who didn't run away at first hand, i.e mostly airborne or marine units,) or those green beret trained units, typically montagnards who absolutely hated the NV. The latter hated all vietnamese, but especially hated the NV, Respecting your enemy for being capable at fighting is one thing, but i doubt any GI respected them for being communist.
>>65026776which documentary?
>>65001540Let's talk about how the VC were treated by the NVA. They were viewed with distrust and allowed to wipe themselves out in the Tet Offensive of 68. Most "VC" sightings and fights were with NVAs who traveled through Laos and Cambodia before simply shedding their uniform and put on the civilian attire of local rice farmers. Guerrilla warfare is the real clever trick of disguising yourself as a civilian, and then counting on civilians getting killed so you can blame the other side.If you think US atrocities were bad, just read what the VC got up to during the Tet Offensive and the South Koreans did in their sectors.The U.S. could have/should have shut the Ho Chi Minh trail down and watched the "VC" threat disappear.>>65033110The shitlib Ken Burns one narrated by a hippy. The only good war is against right-wing govts in their opinion.
