any excuse to post sharp objects is a good one.here's the finnish puukko. comes in many varieties, often with regional variations depending on very local craftsmen from small villages. this example is probably from härmä desu.
this is a omani khanjar. khanjar means cool-looking knife in arabic, jk. it has a few cousins in the arab peninsula but generally a very distinctive curved sheath and a sligthly curved blade.
as you can see there's probably some manner of ancestry to this and the khanjar.
Bollocks dagger. Bollocks with a full shaft.>>65005115>khanjarIts arabic for dagger as I know
>>65005115According to my uncle Yusuf all a man really needs is a good pesh-kabz and a Colt .45
>>65005108What's a knife, anyways? Are short swords knives? Is ottoman yatagan just a long knife? Is the japanese tanto just a short sword?
Sheffield Bowies are interesting. Sheffield had a huge cutlery industry and made loads of knives for the American market. This included everything from practical tools like butcher's or skinning knives to folding pocketknives and weapons. Bling was a marketing factor and there were lots of interesting designs made specifically for the American West.
>>65005161They were not above using memes to advertise their knives either.
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>>65005171>california knifeIn modern day, this would imply that its neuteredhow the times have changed
>>65005161This folding design dates from that era as well. Today the Chinese & the Indians knock these off but the originals are old.
>>65005197The guard folds into place as the blade is deployed.
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>>65005154Yo that wouldn't be bad for bony fish, paired with a super whippy filet knife.
The Sami knife, or stuorraniibi, or leuku. It's like a puukko, but bigger.
Rybička (fishie). If you didn't have one as a kid in Czechia/Czechoslovakia, your childhood probably sucked and your parents didn't love you.Not a great knife, though, but nostalgia is a powerful feeling.
>>65005108Roach Belly. Named for its shape, resembling the belly of a roach fish, it was a common knife in 18th century England and flourished in Colonial America.
>>65006266Fugg, forgot pic.
Arkansas Toothpick, an important dagger on the early frontier and forerunner to the Bowie.
Ancient Egyptian daggers are pretty cool.
>>65006466>a dagger made from a meteorite
>>65005230>A CALIFORNIAN>ask for nothing but what is>RIGHT>and submit to nothing that is>WRONGHoly fuck it's like the 19th century version of one of those forklift operator shirts
>>65005980pretty cool desu. why the long blade?
>>65005172Bowies knives were illegal to carry in Texas up until a few years ago. Meanwhile they've been legal in California this whole time. Laws are funny that way.>>65006290>forerunner to the BowieThey're contemporaries to each other, not directly related.>>65006938To chop things.
ContribootinTaiwanese lalaw sword. Used by the indigenous tribes for headhunting until it was outlawed by the Japanese occupation. Distinctive for their open-faced scabbard to drain water given Taiwan's tropical climate.
Shilin Cutter, traditional Taiwanese folding pocket knife that's been around since the 1800s. Used to very common as an affordable working knife. Ironically, the shilin cutter was killed by even cheaper mass-produced Chinese factory knives and only survives now through bespoke custom versions with fancy steels.
I always liked Cinquedea from Italy, although some of them definitely push out of dagger and into sword.
>>65006938>>65005980>>65006956Over time any frontiersman's knife (and most infantry side-swords) inevitably evolves into a heavy utility blade somewhere just on the edge of a hunting-sword or machete. Can't have it break when you use it as an axe, has to be a bit lighter and more maneuverable than a sword, there's pretty much one middle ground if you want to use it as a tool. Even seaxes eventually wound up being machete hybrids
>>65007125Carcinisation
Japanese traditional hunting knives. The interesting one is in the center. These have various regional names: Matagi-nagasa, Okutani-to, Fukuro-nagasa. They are a single-bevel blade with a socket handle, the idea being that you can fit a wooden pole to make a spear or a tool for foraging.
>>65007488Another example
Swedish m1896 "Watchmaker Knife"
>>65007488Similar to pic rel
This was a common pattern of large knife in the Confederacy.
The "Green River Skinner". These were very popular on the American frontier.
This style of pocketknife was popular in the late 1800's and has a number of unusual features that you won't find today.The big hook at the top is a 'hoof pick' and was used for cleaning a horse's hooves. The two screws just below it are removable and can be used for harness repairs. There is a pair of nuts on the back side of the knife which aren't visible in the photo but would be removed along with the screws. The thing to the right of the corkscrew is a curved punch that can make holes for said screws to fit into. The short stubby blade with a thumb stud on it is an early style of can opener. The hook next to it is a button-hook, important in the days before zippers. The thing at the far right, next to the small knife blade, is a shotgun shell extractor used to pull stuck cases out of your gun. Knives like this often had stag handles, but nickel silver aka 'German silver" was common too.
>>65007680Slightly later model pocketknives with a different type of shell extractor
>>65005108Swiss daggers from around 1560
>>65007727more sword oriented one from 1500
>>65007731modern Swiss officer daggers have the same traditional halfmoon down pattern for the crossguard
HigonokamiThese are simple Japanese pocket knives. Blades vary, some are modern steels others are traditional laminated construction. They usually have a little tab near the base of the blade that you can use to flick the knife open quickly.
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picrel is from Inner Mongolia, China.Lots of men and some women carry these with them, Mongolians especially but also Han.They're used for eating, a form of hotpot that's popular in the region is lamb chopped up almost randomly in double-fist sized chunks and boiled in a broth with a few spices and root vegetables. Common in winter.You take the chunks of boiled meat and shave off slices with these knives and dip them in a chilli sauce that has a fermented bean paste base.It's breddy gud
A Victorian gentleman's smoking knife.The little fork could be used to hold the stub end of cigars, sort of like a roach clip. There are picks for cleaning out a pipe, and the round disc folds over the end to form a tamper for packing the tobacco.
>>65007819Tamper in position ready to use.
>>65007680I find legacy items like these interesting. They were around in a time where horses were the main thing to move things around besides boats and trains. Old larders and houses, they all had a steel ring mounted in the wall to tie the horse to when doing the hooves or saddling. It's a fun bit of trivia when i point it out to other people, a simple steel ring in a wall can be quite interesting!
>>65007890I don't have any pics available and google is being fucking retarded so picrel is the best I can find, but "coach keys" were once a very common thing. These were a tapered or stepped square tool with a T-handle, sometimes built into other tools like pockeknives or corkscrews, and were used to open the doors of horse-drawn carriages, and then later for the doors on the private cabins in railway cars. I think the ones in this pic have built-in whistles. These were once incredibly common everyday items though today they're essentially unknown.
>>65007488>>65007491>>65007535Neat, so the CS Bushman isn't a 100% Total meme.
>>65007488>>65007491This style of handle is super common on large working knives, cleavers, billhooks and small machetes in Vietnam - and probably the rest of SEA as well.
Yakut knife. Note the fuller.
>>65006956CA knife laws are fucking weird, you can open carry a katana but you can't conceal a 3" fixed blade.
>>65008834Generally when you see a weird knife law, the reason is that some politician in 198X watched Return of the Revenge of the Ninjanator VII and had nightmares about the scene where Cliff Knifeedge used that particular banned item to shank a dirty politician for releasing enough crack to down an elephant into his niece's daycare or whatever.
>>65008909It it's a switchblade the fear came from picrel. If it's some exotic-looking Asian knife like a balisong then you can blame 80's action movies.
various Trattenbacher Taschenfeitl (Trattenbach pocketknife) from Austria. woodturned handle, metal clasp around it and no lock. blade length usually is of around 3 inches give or take.there used to be loads of families producing these in the town of Trattenbach (see the different symbols pressed into the blade, each maker had their own) but I believe today only a very small number of makers remain.I own one that was made as a decorative wallhanger with an almost 14 inch blade.
>>65008144Now that you mention it, I recall an example of that. I remember watching Anthony Bourdain visit Chan Che Kee, a famous cutlery company in Hong Kong. They whipped out a massive blade that was halfway between a cleaver and a brush ax, explaining that it was for "you know, when you need cut head off cow". IIRC it had that style of handle rather than the rat-tail tang and wooden handle typical on most kitchen knives.Speaking of Chan Chi Kee, we might as well talk about some other interesting blade designs. Picrel is a common pattern of butcher knife in Asia. It's specifically optimized for butchering hogs. These are heavy because they are so wide but the blades are maybe 1/4in thick at the handle and taper down towards the tip so they are really more of a super-wide knife than a "cleaver" IMHO.
>>65009463The mid-size general purpose meat cleavers sometimes have a hollow socket handle. Other times they have a hollow but closed-off metal handle, or a wood handle, but the big daddy is picrel. This is more like a full 3/8" or more thick all the way to the tip, and the blade actually gets wider near the tip as well. They are insanely front-heavy. This is the one that gets co-opted as a weapon in horror anime.
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French army camp knife, IMHO the best option if you want a "hobo style" knife. They are made in various colors, camo and hi-vis.
>>65007680Its called a Horsemans KnifeThis one dates to around the 1890's and was carried in the 2nd Boer war by a Sgt Major from Yorkshire and was made by a Scottish firm of Richardson in EdinburghThey're sort of the old timey multi-tool of the Victorian era really, quite a sizeable knife. It is missing the pick and tweezers in it that got lost sometime over the last century or so, the smaller blade also got replaced at some point in the 1950's. Handle scales are horn that have been checkered and in great shape all things considered.
>>65009588I've also heard them called "coachman's" knives, or perhaps "sportsman's" knives, but I think that one can debate the semantics endlessly. I happen to have a few, the most interesting is a 99% mint example by George Wostenholm of Sheffield, it's quite chunky also having a saw blade among other tools. It has a curious feature, serrated teeth at the base of the hoof pick, where it hinges into the bottom of the knife. I have heard different explanations for this feature. Some claim it is a nut cracker, I have also heard that it can be used to get a grip on leather harness to pull it tight.
>>65009650I think the later, more modern iterations of them got advertised as sportsmans knives and for a while there was a few variants sold as horsemans knives for the horsie-people out there that needed a hoof hook. Which isn't a hugely common item nowLike most of bits and pieces, they tended to have a purpose and what people use them for can be pretty varied. I think its also quite interesting that most of them don't usually have a can opener as those were not hugely common, but by goodness your ability to crack open looted bottles of wine was taken care of as a priority!
>>65009697I've noticed the terminology gets debated among collectors. Some people say that the hoof pick mean's a horseman's knife while a carriage key means a coachman's knife....okay, fine, but what happens if your knife has both? Likewise people sometimes say the shotshell extractor is a defining feature of a "sportsman's" knife, though I've seen plenty of old advertisements for "sportsman's knives" which lacked that.Speaking of opening bottles, the modern cap lifter and "crown cap" bottle-caps didn't exist back then. There was an alternate form of closure that was use on some bottles, especially champagne, that required its own special tool for opening. This was a thick, serrated, claw- or beak-like tool often called a "champagne hook". You sometimes come across those in old knives.
>>65010922>Speaking of opening bottles, the modern cap lifter and "crown cap" bottle-caps didn't exist back then. There was an alternate form of closure that was use on some bottles, especially champagne, that required its own special tool for opening. This was a thick, serrated, claw- or beak-like tool often called a "champagne hook".I tried to google what that might look like and what kind of closure was involved but got nowhere, champagne hooks are just champagne coloured wall hooks as far as google is concerned.
>>65006647Modern boomer culture is much older than you think.
>>65009463>>65009482>>65009494>>65009501At what point does a cleaver transition from being a knife to being a type of axe?
>>65010922You'll still get a champagne hook on a sommelier knife if you ever find yourself needing to cut through the foil or wax seal on bottles often enough.Which for polite society drunks does tend to mean no ones fumbling around with the table cutlery like like they're trying to fuck a football, being all cultured n shit
>>65011011Yeah, something happened to Google that made that particular search get turbo-fucked. It used to work fine years ago, today it's useless.You can see quite a lot of examples here:http://www.bullworks.net/daily/champagne.htm
>>65011164>You can see quite a lot of examples here:Thanks.Was the closure a wax seal over a cork?
>>65011043Personally, I'd say that a cleaver is a niche variant of an axe. Its primary use is chopping using the mass of the tool to do the work. On the other hand, I'd argue a kitchen "knife" is designed primarily for slicing.Speaking of which, you see a lot of these knives in Asia which people call a "chinese cleaver", but IMHO that is a misnomer. They might be rectangular like a cleaver but the blades are very thin and they are not used in the same manner.
>>65011176Yeah, a cork in the neck of the bottle tied down by wire or cord and then dipped in wax. You had that little beaked tool to dig into the wax, you'd work the tip under the wire/cords and use that to break them.I'm starting to guess that the hassle involved is what led to people "sabering" open champagne, because that's a hell of a lot faster. Plus it looks cooler & it's probably a lot more fun when you're already half blitzed.
>>65011195>Plus it looks cooler & it's probably a lot more fun when you're already half blitzedI saw that done a little while ago, someone brought a sabre to a party for the purpose.
>>65011185The cleaver was once the biggest source of butcher's work injuries prior to the invention of the bandsaw, they're pretty murderous things. At least when I've made them they're more or less suited to popping through joints, heavy cartridge and breaking through places like ribs and spine. Otherwise you do need the meatworks version of a hacksaw for big bones, well you can eventually blow through a beef thigh bone eventually with a cleaver with enough work but it tends to be 'not graceful' for a cut of meat.The 'chinese cooks knife' I've made a few of those over the years and seemingly one of the few people who does where I am, generally about 2mm thick at the spine and there's a few varieties depending on personal preference, some will have a slight curve at the tip and others are just dead-flat edge with nothing else. They are literally wafer thin and generally used for push-cutting through vast handfuls of veg and meats. They do everything with them in the kitchen and another nice feature is you can load up ingredients for cooking based on the cooking time.So if you've got a mix of meat and hard fibre that takes a while, load it up on the side of the knife and wok it, then your softer, quicker cooking greens get loaded up and dropped in lastThose tend to be fairly variable in size from 6 to 9" long and about 4" highThere is also chinese butcher knives as well which are sort of like an over-sized german chef's knife that's about 5mm thick, 3" tall and 8-10" long. Funnily enough I've never seen any Chinese use them but they're very popular all the way through SE-Asia and used for breaking carcasses, preparing cuts of meat and more than a few end up as general chefs knives in places like Bali.
>>65005108This is the typical tollekniv from Norway. Every man carried one as far back as the viking age, and it was a universal tool. I think the ones in the picture are mostly from the 1920s, and the red ones are Swedish from a very well known brand and region in Sweden. The knives are still common today, and I've used dozens of them over the years, and you'll usually find several old ones in every man's workshop, tool shed, tool box or tackle box. Some are usually so worn and has been sharpened so many times that half the blade is missing, so that it ends up looking like a fileting knife.Aside from those, most people also had a fancy knife in a similar style to go with formalwear, but that was primarily for decoration. That's a tradition that still exists in the form of the bunadskniv.
Scottish Sgian-dubh, nowadays worn in the top of the sock when wearing the kilt at formal events.Traditionally worn under the armpt or in the upper arm of your shirt as a surprise/self-defense weapon.
>>65005150Yusuf is a wise man.
>>65006479A god-king's blade made from a fallen star. That's fucking cool.
>>65011380looks extremely similar to puukkos desu
>>65011737The finns probably stole them from us.
>>65011380The one at the upper right looks like a sloyd knife, a common wood-carving tool all over Scandinavia.
Japanese kogatana. Literally "baby katana". These are all-purpose utility knives. They're commonly used as marking knives for woodworking, for delicate kitchen tasks (like a paring knife), crafts, etc. According to Toshio Odate, a Japanese carpenter, they were once so common that they were part of kid's mandatory school supplies and were used for sharpening your pencil in class, among other things.
>>65011831Modern versions made by Olfa. These are great value for crafts/workshop/etc.
>>65011841tacticool variant
>>65011797Yeah, we used to use them in sløyd back in middle school. I think that's also a Swedish knife by Mora.
>>65011841These are excellent as a light duty utility/pocket knife.The blade geometry works very well for small random tasks that come up in the workshop.
>>65011841Just seems like a large xacto knife
>>65011894It's a $130 box cutter, dude
>>65011918Yeah, basically. It's like a big #11.
>>65011943>$130whut? They're cheap. Under $10. The replacement blades are cheap too.https://www.amazon.com/Olfa-Craft-Kife-size-34B/dp/B000TGF9DI
>>65011968O dam, I must have seen the wrong one. That's legit, then
Recong, dagger of the Aceh people of Sumatra.
>>65012402How do you fight with that?Is it used blade upwards?What's the grip?I have so many questions.
Scottish Dirk, Pattern Welded steel
>>65013397Sgian Dubh to compliment it, both are razor sharp
>>65007537Somewhat similar to the European infantry dusacks. Used as melee weapon for infantry in support of bayonet or for troops that didn't have rifles. Basically a very crude and cheap sabre or machete.
>>65006098Heh some of them made their way into Poland, I remember seeing them on the fairs and markets when I was a kid.For me it would be finka (meaning Finnish knife), found on the belt or in the pocket of most scouts in Poland.Mine is only around 15cm long and has bakelite handle, made probably in the 80's, my mom used it when she was a girl scout and then gave it to me.
>>65011380I've got the Frost's Mora 2nd from top right back in the 80'sThought I'd lost it decades ago but it just showed up, kind of funny holding it now as its genuinely a tiny scout knife for kid-size hands
The Japs have maximum autism when it comes to kitchen knives, I'll post a few of the most unusual.This is a Maguro Kiri aka Maguro Bocho, a special knife for filleting tuna. Blades range from 3-5 feet not including the handle. The blade is flexible. Because the blade is so flexible it's common for a second person to hold the tip of the blade--using a bunch of folded-up paper for protection--to help guide the cut.
>>65014263This thing, which looks like a junior version of a Buster Sword, is a kanisaki deba. It is specialized for cutting up crabs and lobsters.
>>65014274And then you've got this other buster sword lookalike, the Unagisaki. This is a specialized knife for filleting eels. This has a longer blade than the Kanisaki but it is also thinner.
>>65014288forgot pic like a filthy gaijin
>>65014294You sometimes see these things in anime. These are not cleavers, they are for slicing noodles by hand.
>>65014263but why
>>65011430Came here to post thisThere remains a legal exemption for carrying it in public in bongland, if worn as part of highland dress. When you rent a kilt in Scotland you will often get a fake plastic one to tuck into your sockI bought a handmade one at a highland games show, wore it to my sister's wedding and later gave it to my father for a birthday present
>>65014355bige fishe
Here's a bunch of Mesoamerican knives with elaborate handles(as opposed to simpler knives which had no dedicated handle, and were single pieces of stone with just the part you held not having a knapped edge)
>>65016259what's with the mosaic?
>>65016259Even some of the ones without handles the tecpatl used for sacrificing people to different gods were pretty neat, anthropomorphized representations of the mouth and tongueI think the fancy ones with handles would have had some kind of spiritual role as well and potentially also for slicing up captives for the gods
>>65017163>googly eyes on sacrificial daggerskek
>>65016259i dont understand these, how the fuck do you do that intricate carving with a stone blade? or is it they had metal and these were ceremonial.
>>65017200>>googly eyes on sacrificial daggersTrue art is timeless.
>>65017200There's no reason human sacrifice can't be funny>I'm Mr Pokey, hold still while I remember where your heart is!
German nicker, hunting knife for finishing off small game (mostly deer) through stabbing in the neck, but also for processing and general knife tasks. Bavarian tradition has you carry it in a pocket of the lederhose.
>>65017218Hirschfänger are for red deer, much bigger and somewhat dangerous. Hence the longer blade.
>>65017219A Waidblatt is a heavy chopping knife, to cut off brush and clear a hunting stand. Waidblatt and Nicker are called the Waidbesteck ("hunting cutlery"). Some claim to use it for finishing off game as well, but most versions are not actually suited for it (tip not pointy enough).
>>65017203Carefully and skillfully.
>>65017203>how the fuck do you do that intricate carving with a stone blade?You tap away with a harder stone blade.You can cut glass with glass too.I'm more interested in how they stuck the tiles on, I suppose some resin or a glue from boiled hooves or something.
>>65013898Yeah, the only one with a finger guard, because it's literally made for kids. I was never a speider, but I think I had one of those at some point.I've got a bunch of the other knives in the picture somewhere, but not here. I think they're out at the farm. I'm heading out there next week, and I'll try to go through the mountain of tools that have piled up there and find all the old knives.
>>65017286they could have used asphaltum, which is basically naturally occurring petroleum tar. They also could have used tree resins like gum arabic, dammar, etc. Shellac works as an adhesive too, I don't know if there was an equivalent of that which could be found in Central America. Or like you mentioned a protein-based glue from boiled-down hooves, hide, fish bones, etc, could have worked too.
These are not knives but I figure they're still of interest to the thread. These are a very old traditional Japanese woodworking tool called Yari-kanna, literally "spear-plane". Their main purpose is smoothing wood after it was roughly hewn with an ax, adze, or saw.These are made in various sizes. The smallest ones are used for carving and Bonsai and are about the size of a pen or marker, with the blade 3-5mm wide and maybe 10-20mm long. The full-size ones have handles anywhere from 1 to 3 feet long and the blades are 3-6" long. The blades are curved and the bottom is hollow-ground like a Japanese chisel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tidkkYcArio
>>65017467>Their main purpose is smoothing wood after it was roughly hewn with an ax, adze, or saw.I was sure those were going to be like a fish club but for killing netted dolphins or maybe spear fishing in general.>>65017444>asphaltumYeah, that would do too. There's probably places where oil is at ground level like a spring, or just stuff extracted from a tar pit.There may even have been a trade route from the tar pits in California down to the aztecs or whomever.
>>65014263Whale-butcher's knife (Kujira bocho)A very large deba (430mm blade)Bigass western-style chef's knife (370mm)
>>65017515Now that I think about it, they probably also had sources of latex. I know they didn't have gutta-percha since that came from Asia, but they apparently did have a plant that produced a similar material, balatá.
Heres my collection, many knives mentioned in this thread are there, still i need to travel more and obtain more.
>>65017564>they apparently did have a plant that produced a similar material, balatáYeah that exists.Sometimes people just don't think of stuff though.There's plenty of technologies that are possible in some form long before they eventuated but it takes some idiot screwing up in a workshop sometimes to discover that something works.
>>65017061Not sure I understand the question? It's a mosaic, it's decorative.There is some discussion around why the Mesoamericans seem to prefer mosaics over solid carved/sculpted precious stone (which they also sometimes did), so the thinking goes it's because the glittering/glinting effect you'd get as light reflected off of different facets was desirable. Compare also to the iridescent feather mosaics seen in pic related. If you're curious about the specific visual symbolism or the manufacturing of the mosaics, I suggest looking up papers by Dr. Davide Domenici, he's done publications on both Mesoamerican stone mosaics more broadly and on the knife handles specifically. EX: these 2 papers and this conference recording (I believe another talk from the recording discusses the glittering effect I mentioned too)https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346649708_Mesoamerican_Mosaics_from_Early_European_Collections_Style_Provenance_and_Provenience_Estudios_de_Cultura_Nahuatl_vol_59_2020_pp_8-64https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ancient-mesoamerica/article/wind-god-and-the-descent-of-the-tzitzimitl-new-insights-on-the-iconography-and-provenance-of-the-mosaicencrusted-bird-head-at-the-friedenstein-palace-gotha-germany/0122519D4E073867E6F28021105388A6https://vimeo.com/857454282>>65017163>>65017211>>65017200>>65017207Some of these anthropomorphic knives were dressed up as different gods too: https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/artefacts/personified-knives>>65017286>>65017444>>65017515I did research on adhesives that were potentially used for the blades on Macauhuitl last year, if you want me to dig up my notes let me know and I'll give you more detailed information, but IIRC the documentation for that mentions tree resins, and I believe there was also some mention of bitumen used for lapidary work. The papers I linked above from Davide Domenici or others he's published might mention the specific adhesives used on some pieces too. 2/?
>>65017864cont:>>65017203Not sure I understand this question either. You asking how they did such precise carving/sculpting of the wooden handles or the lapidary work on the stone mosaics with only stone tools? If so, firstly, they did actually use copper or bronze blades for some woodworking, but we have pretty finely made wooden statues and lintels from earlier periods of Mesoamerican history before metal tools were a thing, like this piece: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/313256. The Florentine Codex (https://florentinecodex.getty.edu) might have some info about how Aztec woodworkers and lapidaries worked but off the top of my head I haven't looked into the topic, though I know this https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/487of5/how_did_the_aztecs_manage_to_create_beautiful/d0hmruu/ post (again, relying on the florentine codex) and this post https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/aztec-bronze-metallurgy-in-mesoamerica.119652/ details how their metalsmiths did their crafts (though note the latter article glosses over the some evidence we do have of bronze/copper weapons)As far as if the knives were ceremonial, I'm not sure, but i'd guess probably? It's hard to imagine gripping some of those handles, though I could see them being used for self-bloodletting. Also if you think that the wooden handles are precisely carved you should see how smooth and detailed the work on the drum in pic related is 3/3 for now
>>65017864>I did research on adhesives that were potentially used for the blades on Macauhuitl last year, if you want me to dig up my notes let me knowDon't trouble yourself anon, it was a passing interest.I'm vaguely familiar with resin and collagen based glues, tar and latex hadn't occurred to me but seem quite reasonable.
>>65017632You need to get an O.G. Joseph Rodgers pocketknife. The one you have is a modern one made by the Egginton Group, a sort of zombie organization which bought the rights to multiple old Sheffield cutlery firms.
>>65018015damn, didnt know that. Thanks for pointing out!
>>65017515>like a fish clubI don't know if they use them as clubs or killing tools, but these things are common in Japanese fish markets for dragging around big fish.
>>65017632What's the difference between USSR and UDSSR?
>>65018836>these things are common in Japanese fish markets for dragging around big fishI would never, ever start a fight in a fish market, those are dangerous places.
>>65017515>There may even have been a trade route from the tar pits in California down to the aztecs or whomever.>>65017444There are massive open-air bitumen pits in Yucatan and all over the Caribbean coast. No real need to run all the way up the hostile west coast when shit's in your back yard.>>65017879>>65017203>i dont understand these, how the fuck do you do that intricate carving with a stone blade?My adoptive grandfather was a PNW Native woodcarver. They had fuck-all for flint (there's a very, very shit deposit of chert in Eastern Washington) and almost no copper or tin. So they were largely stuck with bone, granite, and the gigantic deposit of jade under Puget Sound. To compensate they used a bunch of different carving tools optimized for local materials. For detail work the most common tools were special chisels made using beaver and rat teeth. They're extremely easy to sharpen with a flat chunk of granite and they're capable of incredibly detailed work. I've made copies of pic related and similar tools several times, it takes about an hour. The classic "D-Adze" up here is optimized to reinforce a ground jade blade, and still works quite well with bronze and iron once they got a bit more access. The Aztec and Maya had access to actual flint, and you can get very sharp micro-blades out of that as long as you back and use them correctly. Basic answer is slice in stop cuts and then very slowly work in angled slicing cuts, unlike carving with metal tools you can't just snap the wood out. A whole lot of pre-Contact woodworking is also abrasive rather than cutting, you only cut what you absolutely have to and then smooth later. >>65018836Heh, I used to use a hay hook rammed into an axe handle and collared down as a mini-Peavey tool all the time, nice to know someone else had the same idea.
>>65018932Classic D-Adze design. This iron blade on this one is a late example of the transitional designs using the same shape and heft of the jade ones. You can see with both this and the tooth-chisels how it's designed to let you slowly shim blocks in behind the blade and advance it forwards on the tool as you sharpen it. They're astonishingly comfortable to work with. Later iron and bronze blade designs were much thinner and formed a "shoe" around the base of the handle.
>>65018836>gaf hook: japanese=O
>>65018877That's probably wise.
>>65018932>special chisels made using beaver and rat teethThat makes a lot of sense, rodent teeth have a natural curve to them--I don't mean lengthwise, but width wise. Those tools would probably a bit like a modern #2 or #3 sweep gouge. And between rats, squirrels, and beavers you could have them in a variety of sizes.
Bichuwa, a type of Indian dagger that you can wear around your palm. Allows you to open your hand without dropping the knife, making it useful for grappling.
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>>65020980>>65020986What i like about indian weapons is that they range from comically unusable to merely different but with a good point regarding to their design. Push daggers, talwar and more (tired) are yes, different in a way, but functional within their context.
>>65013807Oh, nice. I knew they were/are exported, but didn't expect them to be a part of someone's childhood memories outside of former Czechoslovakia...
>>65020986Is it meant to be used backhanded or is the model just an anime fag
>>65023205NTA it's can clearly be used in icepick grip but it's also obviously intended to be a slashing blade.Whether it's practical is another question entirely.I think your miscomprehension comes from assuming that anime invented edgy warrior shit in which case, boy do you have a lot to learn about Indian martial arts.
>>65023223No no, I know better than to assume that. It was just a joke. But I do find it funny that practically no anime ever depicts knives being used as intended. I'm surprised we haven't seen a blade pommel yet>hey takeshi, what if we also put a blade on the FRONT of the dagger so that you can stab and slash normally and with better reach, too!
>>65023223>but it's also obviously intended to be a slashing bladeCurvy blades aren't inherently slashing-forward weapons. All the middle eastern daggers posted in the beginning of the thread are curvy, yet were often used for thrusting historically.>>65023526>knives being used as intendedIcepick grip was commonly used everywhere in the world, including Europe.>I'm surprised we haven't seen a blade pommel yetYou have now. Indian haladie knife.
>>65024053Yeah its a weird thing when you see stuff like the rencong dagger here >>65012402 as they look like a great slashing weapon but on a martial practice level they were apparently mostly used for stabbingLikewise, something big and pokey like a Khyber knife, looks like it'd be great for stabbing people but it was always used for slashing.
>>65007291Bowinisation
>>65024092>stuff like the rencong dagger here >>65012402In my searches, I can't find pictures of a rencong dagger that's being held in a combat grip.Is it a pistol grip dagger for thrusting with reach?
>>65013272>>65024642Pictures of Aceh warriors show them carrying the rencong on their left side (hilt butt down seems more common, but pictures show hilt up too) and cross-drawing.Donn Draeger in "The Weapons and Fighting Arts of Indonesia" (1972)>The blade is withdrawn from its sheath, cutting edge toward the enemy. It is then whipped to the right by a snap of the hand which brings the palm upward; the elbow is held fairly close to the body. The thrust is made by extending the right arm almost to full extension and turning the palm downward just prior to penetration of the target. Vital areas include the abdominal cavity, the groin, the throat, and the kidney regions...he is not strictly limited in tactics to the thrust type. Slashing by circular and elliptical patterns exists.Historical accounts corroborate stabbing use, but don't talk about how they're held.>On 20th March the assistant resident had therefore asked one of the local leaders to appear at his office at Fort van der Cappellen at 12:00. The leader did not come alone, as he had brought 100 heavily armed followers with him. Niels and the others acted calmly, and it wasn't before those present started throwing stones at them either. As well as attacking with their knives called rentjongs, that the situation escalated seriously. Niels was wounded by a stab wound in the arm.Article in "De Preanger bode” VAN HIER EN DAAR. Supplemented with male Dutch military papers>One of the patrol units in the Pidie region had captured this woman of Aceh nobility named Potjut Meurah [...]. That woman was suspected of hiding a single-edged sabre within the folds of her clothes. Suddenly she withdrew this Acehnese dagger and shouted: ‘In that case let me die!’ Then she attacked the brigade. It seemed that members of the troop were not very interested in fighting a woman who was acting like a madman, who stabbed left and right and a moment before she fell to the ground. Account of Dutch war journalist Zentgraff
>>65024642They're a relatively recent-ish weapon in that what little I know of the Rencong is that they started making them in about the early 18th century to stab wayward Dutchmen. To some extent there is a spiritual and cultural-class associated with them like the Keris/Kris daggers. The L-shaped handles are almost always made of buffalo horn and they'd need to heat-bend it to get that shape, there are others which are more simple, utility looking ones with just a bulb-shaped horn handle as well.For the L-shaped handle, it was worn on the left side for a right hand draw with the more 'fighty' feeling guys its moved closer to the centreline of the abdomen with the L going Upwards towards the chestMostly for a quick drawSecondly, it also prevents you bowing to anyone as this big lump of horn stabs you in the diaphragm as a reminder 'oh hey bro, no bowing today!'It doesn't seem to inhibit the used in a fencing grip either, these are tiny little munchkin jungle people with smol hands so there's enough to work with
>>65024824>>65024798It reminds me strongly of the Belgian grip and maybe exists as an intermediate stage (by function, not chronology or lineage) between French and Belgian grips?
Southern Chinese fighting knife. Goes by a variety of names, like hudiedao, river pirate knives, highbinder, etc.
>>65027812Hudiedao or bat jam do in Cantonese can refer to those knives, but typically refer to what are commonly known as butterfly swords. Pair swords or large knives that nest together in one sheath. Pic related. The longer variety were more popular with the militia, whereas the shorter versions were more popular with martial artists/street performers.The "river pirate" name comes from their popularity as naval weapons in port cities in Southern China like Shanghai, where they were functionally equivalents to western cutlasses. There were also single sword/knife versions that were primarily meant to be paired with a shield.
>>65027812>>65027827The highbinder name comes from the Highbinders, which were Chinese gangs/triads that formed in various Chinatowns throughout the USA in the 1800s-1900s, most famously in San Francisco. There are some kino evidence photos of these knives being seized by police alongside hatchets, cleavers, other kung fu weapons, and various period guns.
>>65027827>>65027812what's with the thick brass? it's sexy but you know, brass costs a bit.
>>65009463>Anthony Bourdain visit Chan Che Keegot a link to that? I'd love to watch it
>>65011430the under the armpit knife is a different knife, sgian-achlais I believe
>>65029282It's part of the Hong Kong episode of "The Layover". There used to be a clip up on Youtube but it seems to have been taken down. I see that official full episodes of The Layover are now available on YT for pay-to-watch, so they probably copyright struck the people clipping it.
>>65028938I suspect they use a lot of brass because it's easy to cast. Same reason the Indians make so much out of it. The material is more expensive than iron but the cost to work it is so much lower.
>>65018870It's just the German abreviation for USSR:U(nion) D(er) S(ozialistischen) S(ovietischen) R(epubliken)
>>65032805>It's just the German abreviation for USSR:Got it, thanks anon.
>>65011831>were used for sharpening your pencil in classweren't those the higonokami? >>65007754
>>65005108Thats a really cool weapon :D
>>65033092The Japanese can never have enough knives to sharpen their pencils in class.
Baselard dagger. The English and Italian forms had the distinctive capital I-shaped handle.
>>65034503Reminds me a bit of the Antenna dagger
>>65005108May thy knife chip and shatter.
>>65036213What are the dune freemen or whatever they were named from based on? afghanis? kurds?
>>65036471>What are the dune freemen or whatever they were named from based on? afghanis? kurds?They've got a pretty complicated history in the lore, or do you mean what did Herbert base them on?If the latter, I think it was a combination of Bedouins (or tribal arabs in general) and Jews.
Perfect grip and super sharp straight from the box. Marttiini does not know how to price their puukkos.
>>65035809Probably an ancestor. The Swiss/German form of baselard looks extremely similar.
>>65038022And a fancy sword sized version
>>65038022short knife, wide blade. what'sup with that?
Finnish hukari.I've heard these tools were "made" from broken military swords. Undoudtedly other countries have similar blades too.
>>65039008Looks a bit like a santouku knife.Might be great for carving up tuna or some other large fish.
>>65039008That looks a lot like a "hacking knife", which is more of an industrial or a glazier's tool than it is a weapon or a utility tool. Hacking knives are meant to be struck by a hammer so they have a wide, flat, spine. I'm not sure if there's any connection or not, I'm just commenting on the shape.>>65039238Santoku are rarely used by professional chefs or fishmongers, it's an everyday home cook knife if that makes any sense. It's not suitable for carving up big fish, it's for cutting small portions of food after most of the work has already been done with a bigger blade. I.e. a housewife shopping at a supermarket where the butchering has already been done.
>>65039669A curious mentula-effect is manifested when You google "hukari".
>>65018877one cut and you have OceanRot from hell
>>65038902cuts good
carp knife made by pallares from Catalonia, for taking apart large fish
>>65043292
Czechoslovakia/Czechia, Martfrost knives. Not a specific knife type, but instead a manufacturing process.In 1965 Czechoslovak metallurgist Jaroslav Jech patented a heat-treating process involving dipping freshly quenched blades into liquid nitrogen that became used at the "Mikov" cuttlery under trade name "MartFrost". If done right, it would bump up HRC by 5 points and enhance toughness at the same time. A wide array of knife types were offered with such blades, such as kitchen knives, pocket folders, grafting knives, fixed-blade hunting knives or the UTON 75 army combat knife. With newer steel types it became redundand, but the Martfrost trademark was something specifically Czechoslovak and it does have a little cult-following in the country both with collectors and with older professional users (butchers, cooks etc.).There were other frost-treating or
>>65043854*there were of course other frost-treating processes invenmted and used elsewhere in the world
>>65038022
Pihiya kättha knife from Sri Lanka
>>65044835Yeah, the nazis adopted a similar dagger shape, apparently because they erroneously thought it was a german pattern.
>>65047400many such cases with the nazis
>>65047400Well the Schweizerdolch was very common in southern Germany and Switzerland. But the nazis misinterpreted the swiss Reisläufer as an exclusive german phenomenon and thus used it. This led to a quite funny circumstance: the Swiss in the late 1940s were weary of the rise of Nazi Germany and revised the old shape of the Schweizerdolch too with the intention of emphasising the swiss readyness for the defense of the land. But by that point in time this shape was already heavily associated with the Nazis and the swiss thus changed the design by increasing the size and shape of the crossguard.Pic rel is a SS-Honor Dagger
And here a swiss M43 Officer Dagger.
>>65049177What's with the cloth around the guard?
>>65049183A Portepee. Originally it was a simple loop fixed to a sword and slung around the wrist that helped with retaining a sword. But it evolved into a military rank insignia by the 17th and 18th centuries.
>>65038022likely maybe, two of the examples in his post (middle and right) were from a swiss museum
>>65049170>Carl EickhornCompany still exists btwBöker produces a "swiss dagger" that is basically a nazi dagger without the markings. At some point they even had the 30s era böker marking on them, until people called them out on the obvious dogwhistling.
>>65009188> heid hob i gleant dassnice interesting to know, kinda remind me of the opinel knifes
Anyone got one of these crkt Hissaou tanto blades they want to sell?
>>65049899I hear they are pretty good for stabbing communist politicians.
>>65049909that blade has a guard tho, its between his left index and middle finger
>>65050020Yeah, its like a gunto or wakizashi.
>>65050056we had this debate before, its inconclusive if the blade used still exists somewhere, this picture is most likely wrong, as wakizashi's have guards 99% of the time
>>65050538>>65050096>this picture is most likely wrongNo.Here's the thing to understand about Japanese swords. They're not really one piece. Think of the blade and everything else as totally separate.That pic you posted shows the blade in a "shirasaya". Literally "white scabbard". It's a plain wooden handle and scabbard just meant for storage. That's why there's no guard...or anything else for that matter. When someone was going to use the sword, either for fashion at the imperial court, or as a weapon, then they'd install various fittings appropriate for the task. You know how women own different jewlery and accessories for different occasions? Same thing with swords. A samurai would own many more fittings than he would blades. Quite often when you encounter antique swords the blade will be in a shirasaya and there will also be one or more sets of fittings separately.Anyway, that photo isn't "wrong", it just shows the blade in a storage sheath rather than set up for fighting. It's very possible that it's the same blade which the police put into a shirasaya for storage after the fact
>>65050541that's like arresting me after I shot someone with my 1911 custom grips and removing the grips in the evidence photonot cool man
>>65047286I'd never heard of these, the silversmithing, inlay and graving is quite impressive on that one
>>65049170Is that Ernst Röhm's signature etched on the reverse side of the blade?>>65049183This anon knows his shit: >>65049200 Uniformed services of Germany and Austria-Hungary were particularly fond of this bling and would introduce overly complex system of shapes, patterns and colors to represent service, branch, rank/grade/rate, mounted/dismounted status, company number in battalion roster and other stuff, burdening the logistics with millions of items in tens of slightly different variants of redundant decorative bullshit and allowing extra rules for its wearing (or non wearing) to be introduced and enforced...Have to admit it did add a little special sauce to the uniforms esp. for the junior enlisted who would hang it on their bayonets/scabbards.
>>65051471Sword knots by the 19th century became turbo common. Both leather straps for actual usage by the cavalry and fabric/metal wire examples for officers and dress. But basically universal. UK, France, Sweden, etc. even the US had examples. BUT since I am autistic, the weird hallmark of German/Swiss/Austrian swords is the martingale or finger loop. A unique thing, you can see them most easily on Hessian, Wurttemberg, II Empire German 1889 officer swords, but most commonly on the Swiss 1867 and 1896/02 troopers/officers swords when applicable. The sword knot usually passed through there when tying for parade. But otherwise it is a holdover from one of those all-but-forgotten German cut fencing treatises of which they had 5000 of. You use 1 or 2 fingers through there and it helps to straighten your cut. On lighter blades a la academic and sporting purposes, you can use it as a final point of articulation, basically meaning you can whiff a cut but if you squeeze your finger at just the right time, the blade can still make enough contact to hit the opponent. Takes a lot of training to utilize properly but it is a final point of control that can be really fun. >Picrel are 1x1906/02, 2x1867 dismounted (infantry) officer, and 1x1899 officer Swiss swords, the first antiques I ever got with how IIRC the sword knot is supposed to be arranged
>>65051471>Is that Ernst Röhm's signature etched on the reverse side of the blade?Yes. Thx for pointing that out. I looked into it a little bit: the inscription reads "In herzlicher Kameradschaft (with heartfelt comradeship) - Ernst Röhm". It belonged to Hermann Pister (SS-Membershipnumber 29.892 - also enscribed on the crossguard). But I couldn't find a relation between Röhm and Pister. Röhm died on the 1st January 1934 and by that point in time Pister was only a member of the NSDAP and the SS since 1932 and up until 1939 he was only the leader of at least two squadron of the National Socialist Motor Corps (NSKK/a paramilitary organisation of the NSDAP which focused on the usage and maintenance of cars, trucks and motorcycles). And while NSKK wasn't a part of the SA, it was modelled heavily after it. In August 1934 Hitler ordered the merger of the Motor-SA (similar type of organisation but explicitly for the SA) and the NSKK. So perhaps Röhm and Pister somehow knew each other through this organisation.
>>65051996Correction: Pister wasn't a member of the NSKK and didn't drive for it. He drove motor squadrons of the 32. SS-Standarte of which he became soon its leader (SS-Standartenführer). The SS-Standarten were regional administrative suborganisations of the SS.So there is even less of a connection between Röhm and Pister than I previously thought.
>>65051561Sword knots are just fancy safety cords so you don't lose your sabre during combat. The bald guy did a good vid on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVCPIytjlwMfinger loops do help with grip and maybe cut, but my best guess is their main purpose is to make it easier for fatigued hands to keep a proper grip, like when you don't feel your hands any more because they're tired or its so cold you just put the fingers trough the loop and it becomes harder to mess the grip up or misalign the blade.
>>65052079butt-buddies? It is from Röhm after all, also funny that Röhm was handing out SS-daggers
>>65052187(martingales cot'd) I think they can be multipurpose, I do explicitly remember sources in German cut fencing that talk about it, they may have utilitarian uses for the cavalry as well. Academic and sport fencing are great for teaching cardio and the moves but especially if you are an enlisted trooper in say the Swiss cavalry with an 1867 with a finger loop, you arent exactly gonna be doing fine pointwork or anything and even if you find an enemy who wants a sword fight, its gonna be a lot more different than with training swords I suppose. >Related fun fact: The Swiss were the last state to stop having an active regiment of cavalry. Theirs lasted half of the cold war and were only retired in 1972. Primarily meant for the western plains IIRC. I cannot find when they stopped using 1896/02 sabres but I have seen some with manufacture dates into the 1940s. Their cold war outfits included the TAZ alpenflage and leather holsters for their STGW57s. This is from a reunion, hard to believe that an 18 year old in 1972 would be 72 now.
>>65052266Fun fact, that was done for political reasons, not for military nostalgia. Being 20th century cav in Switzerland meant you had to look after your horse during off duty, means they recruited exclusively farmers with own land for the horses. During cold war, Swiss army was paranoid about leftist infiltrators and potential collaborators working together with the Soviets. A regiment made exclusively from staunchly anticommunist farmers was seen as politically reliable and destined to serve as some sort of praetorian guard for the government in case of war with the commies. The purpose of the horses was to keep the riffraff out.
>>65052383based. fuck commies.
>>65052235Kek. But there is nothing to suggest that Pister was gay and since he made quite the career (commander of the Hinzert Concentration Camp and the Buchenwald Concentration Camp) after 1939 I doubt it. >also funny that Röhm was handing out SS-daggersThat is the most interesting part imo. Considering that the SS-Honor Daggers were introduced only in December of 1933 and that Röhm and Himmler disliked each other I find it suspicious that such a piece would be signed by Röhm. The next step would be to check the provenance of the dagger in question but I'm too tired for this detective work. Perhaps another autist will look into it.
>>65052079Wasn't that unit providing motorcade duties for NSDAP leadership? If yes, Röhm and Pister would meet and work together at party events...>>65051561>basically universal. UK, France, Sweden, etc. even the USOh, you're right, they were very common with military swords esp. with officers and mounted personnel, slowly transitioning from duty uniforms to parade wear. I guess because I'm not much of a sword guy I didn't think about that. My point should have been more like the Germans and Austrians were totally in love with sword AND BAYONET tassels, made them almost universal for everyone and introduced them in various flavours with a maze of rules and exceptions to them. I'm not aware of other armies strapping a portepee to nearly every infantrymans' bayonet.
>>65052741No, the 32. SS-Standarte was merely a regional administrative organisation within the wider SS - in this case for the region of Baden. And while Pister probably would have driven around NSDAP functionaries this would have been limited to the aformentioned region. And within the same year Pister joined he advanced to become the leader of the 32. SS-Standarte. Perhaps he would have met Röhm in this function but it is still weird that Röhm was dedicating SS-Honor Daggers in the first place.
>>65050701other angle
Bedja dagger worn by the Hadendoa people of Africa.
>>65054023Anything below south africa and you suddenly end up with much more interesting knife, sword and throwing weapon designs. Why is that? They might not be as effective, or maybe they are, but mostly they look so wildly different and unique.
>>65054018Quite the stout, stabby little guy, the carving on the handle is pretty good too but a little hard to see. Sorta some regional influences from everywhere in it>>65054023It looks fantastic, practicality aside its a really very interesting design
>>65054023what's with the odd shape of the blade? some specific purpose, tool?
Crane brand, Sheffield England Prostitute / Gambler dagger with mother of pearl handle, ca. 1880’s.
US shop order trade catalog, ca. 1890’s, with prostitute / gambler and many other knives shown here.
>>65055647>>65055628was it only carried by prostitutes and gamblers?
>>65055856No. That's just the name that collectors tend to give them.
>>65058475shashka. caucasian sword, but adopted by the russian military later. has no guard for reasons i do not understand, but it does end up looking quite sleek.
>>65058480Does make them a little easier to draw I guess with no guard if you've got armour, heavy clothing and stuff hanging off your belt, sort of a trade off of he who stabs first vs he who doesn't want fingers cut off
>>65009555Where do you find a high vis one? I've got a tistic misfit buddy that works construction that'd love one
>>65013397Noo tha's a bonnie dirk!
>>65017632I have a ¼" scar in the palm of my left hand from that fish knife at bottom right. Prying out dry coconut meat, holding the brown nut w/ my left hand, knife pops out, blade sinks into the middle of the 3rd metacarpal. Good times. Found that knife on Hogsback Road, a dirt & gravel track that went pretty much nowheres.
>>65043854There's a guy in Driftwood TX (or was: I met him at a Ren Fair in Waxahatchie some 30 years ago). Dan Watson, Angel Swords. Quenched in liquid nitrogen. Beautiful work. Would flex 60° & back to straight. Beyond razor sharp
>>65058767I just checked: he's still around!https://angelsword.com/about/the-artisans/
>>65058514Sorry, just to be clear I was talking about the red color in the pic I posted. If your buddy wants that specific neon orange color they use for industrial safety I don't know if they have that.
>>65054018It almost looks 3D printed, really cool.
>>65054018That's really interesting anon, thanks for sharing. I'm really curious about some aspects of the design. Most of the wirework and the engraving is very fine, but then you have the rather coarse, straight sorts of notches that don't really match. >>65054135Yeah, it's seriously thick.
>>65058857His work is neon yellow. Though he bought a hifh vis reflective pink rain jacket so nobody steals it
>>65005115>cool looking knife in arabicHehe
"Dozum" dagger from Bhutan
>>65063437I've seen these sometimes advertised as Tibetan ritual daggers and fairly much the same thing. So I wonder if they came from people who made them in Tibet via trade in the Himalayas or more likely antique sellers know fuck all and it was just made in Bhutan by itself. Impressive work though, the rayskin sheath is really nice
>>65063437what's with the waves in the blade? very pretty.
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>>65064169It's a type of lamination/pattern welding common in Tibet/Bhutan called "hairpin laminations" or "hairpin forging." Lots of cultures all around the world used lamination/pattern welding, but they did it differently in the Himalayas. Rather than folding and stacking billets on the flat parts like most other people did it, they stacked it "edge to spine." Webm related. Left is the Japanese way of folding iron one gorrillion times, right is the Tibetan way.Method came about because>Himalayas -> high altitude>high altitude -> less oxygen>less oxygen -> forges don't run as hot>forges don't run as hot -> need more fuel>more fuel -> more expensiveHairpin forging gives you the benefit of lamination/pattern welding (mixing soft but tough iron with hard but brittle iron into one decent alloy), but lets you do it at lower forging temperatures and quicker, thereby consuming less fuel.
>>65066763And here's a saber from The Met that combines Tibetan hairpin forging in the blade with Chinese/Mongolian "horse teeth" forging at the edge.https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/763132
>>65066779>>65066763that's neat desu. i never thought much about forging in that region of the world. (i like how it is a literal hairpin being formed)
A rare straight-bladed Indonesian kris dagger with a unique handle shape, originating from East Java.
>>65005108I have couple of different puukko's but here is the family heritage one that my grandmothers father made in the front during the Continuation war. He was blasting soviets as a Mg gunner in the winter war and was an artillery man during the Continuation war.The aluminium is supposedly from a downed soviet plane
>>65070206And here is the rest if anyone is interested
>>65069673That's called a Bangkinang, which was typically for executions and they'd be done with the prisoner on the ground with their back up in sort of a fetal position and the knife poked into their heart between the ribs from behind.>>65070206The thing I like about that is the sheath decorations with the circles O as its something people did over 1000's of years
>>65023205>>65023526That's an extremely reductionist point of view.
>>65022932Yeah, I love myself a bit of Indian craziness.
>>65071863that's a funny axe. is the ring sharp? what's with indian circular weapons anyway?
>>65071863reminds me of this
The Koreans have their Eunjangdo with built-in chopsticks. In case you need to stab a man and eat kimchi at the same time
>>65075573what if its for eating the man?
>>65075607That would be Chinese behavior. Dogs, on the other hand....
This is a Grohmann, traditional Canadian knife made on the east coast. They're weirdly shaped but quite ergonomic.
>>65071863Its just so fucking weird, you'd use it like an axe, but it'd work like a flanged mace and then its got a tulwar handle...All of that would require a pretty advanced smithing skill too, so you're not going to find the average couple of weapon makers to throw it together in a hurry
>>65070291No, it's simply a kris dagger with blade profile type called "sempena bener". Bangkinang, or commonly known as keris panjang, on the other hand have a much longer blade almost resembling a rapier sword. The way they execute criminals using this is that they have them kneel with their hands tied behind their backs and then drive the long kris blade down towards their heart from behind their left collar bone near the neck. It's a much less messy way of execution than say a straight up decapitation or a firing squad.
>>65075573Convergent evolution with finnish knives, who also have someitmes a second knife/eating utensil
>>65075878is it necessary to be in front of the criminal? looks like an ideal dick sucking height
>>65076229Picture's inaccurate. It's actually done from the back. For a public execution, it's important for the people to get a good look of the criminal's face while it is being carried out.
>>65075573They're oddly proud of these being dull, I understand.
>>65075878Oh shit, my bad but that doesn't look comfy at all!I thought it was from behind between the ribs but maybe that was some other crazy-asian thing, shit imagine if he misses and now there's a dude wiggling around on the end of it. Sort of hope he'd get another go at it once they calm down, I mean its hardly the kind of thing you'd get a lot of practice at doing
>>65075870Indian weapons are strange in general. I don't know enough about the culture to know if there are specific reasons for any of these designs but they are certainly odd. They have odd firearms too. The Mughal empire had unusual matchlocks, some had a revolver-style breech that would hold 3 or 4 shots. others had square bores.
>>65078357I think the square bored may have to do with ease of manufacture for shot. Lead was usually cast and carried in bulk in long, square coils. Having a square bore would alleviate the need to recast them in situ. Given the craftsmanship of your example, though, I don't know if economy would have anything to do with it
>>65076203Byknives and prickers were popular all over europe.
>>65078357Another odd Indian weapon.
>>65078357I'd not heard of thesehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ToradarIts a matchlock of all things which is kind of bonkers as they kept using them into the early 1800s like the japanese tanegashima's and it seems like they just skipped over the whole wheel and flintlock eras as well.I know some of the indo-persian era weapons that survived tended to be very beautiful examples of art and metalworking, stuff like this tabar axe is pretty exceptional for anywhere. As a martial weapon, the rounded, metal tube handles don't look like they'd be easy to use compared to wood and a more oval shaped one, but I'm not someone who ever studied that stuff as a martial art either
>>65018932There’s was an article published in the journal of the University of Pennsylvania’s Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, that claimed that most wood carving done in Northern North America was done with steel or iron tools, with the steel/iron seeming to correspond with Chinese crucible steel. The article had some comment that the steel might have washed up as nails or other hardware on from ships or discarded wood. Most Northern Native tribes traditionally worked locally available copper nodules in the same way stone was worked, using abrasives and cord to cut off copper slabs, and then make knife blades, and then abrasive stones or sand to shape the copper, and these techniques would have worked on iron or steel, “however” that iron or steel came to the natives.
>>65079417>they kept using them into the early 1800s like the japanese tanegashima'sYeah, interestingly both cultures developed those revolver style matchlocks too. The Japanese ones tended to be handguns while the Indian ones were usually long guns, but examples of the other extremes exist too.Speaking of round handles, they did make some odd combination weapons where the gun barrel acted as a handle, though that's clearly not what's going on with that particular weapon. A cylindrical handle is an odd choice for a weapon like that, then again that looks more like a work of art than an actual fighting weapon.
>>65080003There's quite a dose of crazy in the higher-end 'not military issue' weapons sticking a gun on it seems to have been pretty popular if you had the cash. Some of the cheaper-beaters though also seem to have metal handles on things as well which seems to be done for some reason, course the idea of using an axe at full whack even on soft things like unarmored peasants and the odd animal gives me bone and joint aches!The tapered cylinder engagement on those is really sweet, pull it out, turn it round and lock it back in is an elegant solution that would rapidly increase firepower in the era, hopefully not causing a chain-cookoff of course as some old blackpowder gats were want to do
>>65080043>sticking a gun on it seems to have been pretty popular if you had the cashYeah, that was the same in Europe. You will find things like fine table cutlery with built-in flintlocks, Hunting swords with integral pistols (hirschfangers, etc.), that famous knife with the feast calendar etched onto the blade (picrel), etc. And of course Euros had various combination weapons that were actually meant for combat, like the holy water sprinkler, flintlock boarding axes from the age of sail, etc. But I think India has a lot more examples of guns being tacked onto things that blurred the lines between "rich man's toy" and "actual weapon".
>>65078357after seeing octagonal bores i am not surprised by square ones
>>65011831>they were once so common that they were part of kid's mandatory school supplies and were used for sharpening your pencil in class, among other things.>among other things.You just know a few bullies earned a scar or two during that time
>>65005108What's a neat historical italian knife that isn't just a scaled down sword or dagger? Something your average farmer would've had.
