Why weren't rifled shotguns, slug guns, more controversial? When they came out in the 80s like 1/3rd of all hunters lived in shotgun only areas and it TECHNICALLY violates the NFA because, by definition, they are destructive devices, they were just declared exempt for sporting purposes by the secretary of treasury or something.If you want to know how recent rifled slug guns are on the US market, the reason movies always have Ithaca deer slayers in them is because the LA PD used Ithaca deer slayers because Ithaca deer slayers only got rifled barrels in the mid 80s so the ones the LAPD and Hollywood used were smoothbore
>>65005252Probably because the DD label has always been gay and arbitrary. Yes they're pretty consistent any rifle above 12.7/.50 is a DD but shotguns have always been a pretty wishy washy subject. I mean look at all the shotguns that got labeled as DDs and ask yourself why wasn't the Saiga or any of the turkshit designs banned too. Slugs have been in use so long that it'd be really fucking hard to argue that a rifled 870 is more dangerous than a .50 and deserves the same treatment as a Cobray Streetsweeper or an M203
>>65005252>When they came out in the 80'sDid you mean the 1880s?
>>65005333>Yes they're pretty consistent any rifle above 12.7/.50 is a DDThe big safari calibers like .505 Gibbs, various .577's, .600 Nitro Express, etc, are openly sold without NFA paperwork, presumably also because of a sporting exemption.
>>65005341paradox guns don't have fully rifled barrels and rifled shotguns weren't popular on the US market until the 80s
>>65005341I fuckin want to hunt Snipe and Tiger in the same afternoon, and be ready to murder whichever I see first.Wrong fuckin century.
>>65005353>paradox guns don't have fully rifled barrelsCorrect, but they are the O.G. 'slug gun'If you want to talk about weapons with fully rifled barrels, bore-gauge rifles were a thing for hunting back in the day, and they existed in all sizes. You could buy a 12-gauge shotgun or a 12-gauge rifle, or any other gauge for that matter. They fell out of favor when smokeless powder was invented. It was a similar transition. Armies switched from ~.70 cal muskets to smaller smokeless cartridges. Likewise hunters stopped using the old bore-gauge guns and switched to small high-velocity smokeless cartridges.
>>65005341In today's money they'd be about 900-1800 dollars each, which is not bad at all.
>>65005382Actually I'm stupid I forgot to convert properly, that's more like 5-10k today.
>>65005347>The big safari calibers like .505 Gibbs, various .577's, .600 Nitro Express, etc, are openly sold without NFA paperwork, presumably also because of a sporting exemption.Yep. Feels kinda obvious that non-explosive loads that are single shot or manual shouldn't really count as DDs, but that's not any actual clause in the law iirc. So probably you're right and it's just sorta all fitting in under sporting exemption. Which is irritatingly arbitrary but a lot of super ancient laws are like that and Congress is so useless these days at actually reforming stuff that it's all a big fucking mess so we just pile hacks upon hacks.
>>65005573>Which is irritatingly arbitrary but a lot of super ancient laws are like that and Congress is so useless these days at actually reforming stuff that it's all a big fucking mess so we just pile hacks upon hacks.you know that was intentional, right? congress has been intentionally delegating their responsibilities to the executive since Washington was president so they didn't have to do their jobs. If you read the constitution, congress as the power to call up the militia, but they delegated that job to the president in 1792. Some of the stuff is just due to practicality, congress used to not actually meet until like december of the year they took office or something equally retarded.they didn't even start doing the proforma bullshit until 2007 so Reid could fuck with W. Bush. the whole fucking omnibus bullshit bill has been around for a while too so it's easier to get your thing passed in a bullshit bill where you delegate the actual regulations to the executive than it is to pass a real bill with the regulations in it and then pass a follow up bill to fix the regulations, though oddly enough congress had ZERO problems passing the NFA part 2 electric boogalo when the courts struck down the NFA in the 60s on 5th amendment grounds with hayes or hanes or whatever.
>>65005388Which is actually really fucking cheap for a H&H
>>65005388>>65006075wasn't 1 guinea about 1/4 oz (so about .22 troy oz) of gold? so 50 for the fanciest model, that'd be about $50k today I think, which actually lines up ok with modern H&H prices interestingly.that said it gets tricky to talk relative purchasing power that far back in the past, everything has changed so radically.
>>65006130The guinea had stopped circulating well before this ad, but it still retained its meaning of 21 shillings. So a 25 guinea gun is 26.5 pounds. Direct inflation is pretty useless for value over that long a time period, especially with the end of the gold standard, but Bank of England has a tool which has historical price data it can look at and give an estimate of what actual purchasing power might have been. In this case a low grade H&H would rent a modest house for a few months, and a high grade could feed a family of 4-6 for a year or so, or rent a small house for 3-4 years.
>>65006151huh thanks for the interesting numbers anon. actually kinda neat comparisons to do the math with today. reminder of how hard agriculture was at one point and how like 80% of the population work was towards food. nowadays we take it for granted to just have supermarkets full of high quality cheap stuff. meanwhile housing costs have skyrocketed.
>>65006130>>65006151>>65006194>>65006075>>65005388to add to this what happened was>bong start minting new gold coin called a guinea>Bongs were using the LSD system at the time which is superior to decimal system because it's base 12 which is easier to do math with if you don't have a computer, which is something that retard JK Rolling didn't understand when she went to shitpost about it in harry potter>bongs get control of west african gold mines and start producing coins, the guinea but bong money, the pound, is based on the amount of silver in 240 pennies from some specific year. >by the way their pound is different from our pound like how a troy pound isn't a pound>anyway a pound at the time was literally a pound of silver>gold coins are convenient, because gold, like now, was worth more than silver so you didn't have to carry around a physical pound of silver for shit >when they first start minting the Guinea it has the gold mass equivalent of 1 pound of silver or 20 shillings>the price of gold goes up and silver goes down and suddenly the melt value of a guinea is 21 shillings instead of 20>to stop fags from buying guineas and shipping them to france for the melt value bongs declare guineas to be worth 21 shillings >now the face value is the melt value>the guinea stops being minted in 1816, but since bongistanis are so, muh class based, richfags still use the term guinea for shit and richfag goods or goods that were supposed to look like richfag shit were still advertised and sold in guineas which were 1.05 pounds until the 1970sH&H are richfag things, hence guineas instead of pounds
