SIG P320 is apparently the worst pistol that was ever made. Didn't stop it from getting adopted lmao.>Tender for new army pistol>Up to 90.000 units>Glock 45, HK VP9, Sig P320>Glock with stellar performance>HK average>Sig giga shit but lowest bidder>Kommando Ausbildung / Ausbildungszentrum der Armee (AZA): P320 has shit accuracy>Projektteam «9mm Pist CH A NG: Get Glock, P320 failed because of too many failures>Armasuisse W+T (Wissenschaft und Technologie): Only Glock fulfills are requirements. Parts of the Sig break.>Logistikbasis der Armee (LBA): Get Glock. Less problematic. Less user maintenance needed.>Relevante Militärverbände: Get Glock, we are already using it. Major issues:>Sig: Atrocious precision under rapid and slow fire.>Glock excellent precision >Sig: Trigger hardly controllable, prone to reset errors.>Glock: excellent trigger>Sig Recoil: Atrocious recoil, even hurting several soldiers (lmao)>Glock: Basically shoot it with a broken wrist and be fine.Source: https://www.watson.ch/wirtschaft/schweiz/137961869-sig-sauer-p320-schlechtes-test-urteil-zu-neuer-schweizer-armeepistole
>>65007140Lmao
>>65007145>3/5 female participants had to be killed due to wrist pain/injuriesThe Swiss don't fuck around with their weapons testing it seems.
>>65007140Sig won btw.
>>65007145>>65007149The translation is hilarious. Basically 3/5 female participants had to get their wrist bandaged, because the kickback from the recoil was too much for them to handle. The report mentioned that one of the females was unable to participate any further, the others were able to use the Glock with acceptable pain to their wrists. This is more a jab at women in the armed forces.
>>65007145>soldiers in charge of pistol shooting
>>65007140>Sig P320>BadI am shocked.Truly.Shocked beyond belief.
>>65007201The p320 is completely fine, faggot.
>>65007140>all this and SIG still won So you think this pistol will go down in history as that one weird time that everyone just adopted a piece of shit gun for no reason other than that it was cheap and the reason learned historically will be to not do that again?
>>65007145Swiss are corrupt as shit. Glock obviously bribed those women with horse semen
>>65007308Considering the number of times its happened in the past and the slow slide into the cyberpunk/corporatocracy dystopia I’m going with, no they will not learn from this at all
>>65007308On the one hand, it's a pistol - something well below the utility knife or the load bearing equipment in importance. On the other, it's still clearly a bullshit decision and they're going to get jewed outta their promised production facility for sure.>>65007160Clearly, they gotta take a page outta the US Army and the IDF's book and let the women handle more cock.
>>65007145Is this a machine translated slidebite thing or are they saying the recoils that bad?The hand wrap makes sense for slidebite
>>65007145>be swiss military >be limp wristed fags and womenchecks out
never ask a p320 hater if they've ever shot one
>>65007140>p320Did you forget it won because it underbid the competition? It didn't win because it was the best
>>65007140>>Sig Recoil: Atrocious recoil, even hurting several soldiers (lmao)fucking HOW??
>>65008279Fell for high bore
>>65008374This makes me wonder if all those fags complaining about .40 recoil and also calling 9mm snappy in compacts were just using a p320 with shit bore axis. I have tiny ass wrists and ive shot .40 to no end from a gen 3 glock 23, fns 40 and a few other guns and shot plenty of micro 9's and never had any issue at all with any of the recoil. The only overtly bad recoil ive ever had was shooting mid range .357 mag from a s&w 360
>>6500841940 being snappy has been a thing since 40 came out. the only 40 i ever enjoyed shooting was my sister in law's ruger p91
>>65008089I have, it was profoundly mid and not in a good way that a Glock is. Guy who's 320 I shot also got rid of it and this was years before the NDs became so well known lmao
>absolute piece of shit cant even return to battery properlysiggers are retards
>>65007145>Bore axis is a meme>High bore axis trash proceeds to hurt womenNow I'm conflicted
>>65008089Never ask a p320 owner why they chose it
>>65008419I've only shot .40 in a m&p 1.0 fullsize, and it was pretty decent. Recoil was not notable in any way. Worst recoil I've felt was in my .38 air weight J frame. Instant bruise.
I thought the swiss p320s would be made entirely in-country, without jeet parts? Would that make them at least less likely to fire without a trigger pull?
>>65007140>>65007145>they pick the model that has a higher chance of making the user combat ineffective just by firing itThats crazy.
>>65008089Have you tried eating poop? How do you know it’s bad if you never ate it? Billions of Indians eat it all the time. It can’t be that bad. Hyperbole aside you don’t need to see it firsthand to know why it has so many issues.
VP9 mogs the Glock 45
>>65008089I have. We should've stuck with the M9, or if we still wanted to be full retard we should've gone back to the M1911A1. At least that would've been funny and retarded and not just retardedm
>>65008600>Women are a meme>Women shooting guns is a memePick one and your world view may remain intact.
>>65007140>Sig: Trigger hardly controllable, prone to reset errors.>Glock: excellent triggerThis is where the credibility falls apart, if you aren't just making this up out of whole cloth. Whoever's doing that test is inept and apparently some kind of bird-boned anemic mutant if a P320, one of the softest shooting of 9mms, is hurting peoples wrists. This is all a lie. And no I don't nor would I ever own a P320, shit's garbage. These krauts are just retarded.tl;dr skill issue
>>65008600Bore axis isn't a meme, but there isn't really "good" benefit to prioritizing a low bore axis. If you fuck it up, it's gonna suck. But if you do it right, then it is something people overlook unless some autist hyper focuses on it. Like seatbelts on a car when they suck you notice but when they don't, they just are. Super diminishing returns once you hit the 'acceptable' level. >t. Hudson H9 owner
>>65008967Exellent by military standards and exellent by muh 1911 are different things
>>65007145Does Germany have some kind of superb disability that these lying sandbagging whores are trying to claim? There is no fucking way this is true. A fucking .44 magnum wouldn't do that to a 9 year old's wrist let alone a fucking 9mm to an adult "woman."
>>65008967As much as I hate Siggers, you’re correct. Apparently the horse cum bribes from Glock came through for the Swiss. The 320 is a piece of shit for many reasons, but its accuracy and trigger (in terms of shootability) aren’t why. Anyone saying 9mm from a full sized pistol is too much recoil, let alone getting injured from it, is a slack-jawed faggot.
>>65007140I wish someone would do these kind of tests with the beretta APXA1. Brazilian government claims to have gone 11k rounds without failure
>>65008616Anon, SIG is not a swiss company. >>65009056>>65008967People who complain about Glock triggers don't know how to shoot.
>>65009243Glocks triggers have nothing to do with the P320 being good or bad. A comparison yes, but the light trigger is one of the pluses for the 320. It’s also a potential reason (contributing factor) for the ND issues. Quit being so fucking soft.
>>65007140>Glock excellent precision >Glock: excellent trigger>Glock: Basically shoot it with a broken wrist and be fine.I just know you are aware that this is the most obvious horse shit but because you enjoy drinking Glock brand horsecum so much you still posted it with a cum filled grin on your face because it's a series of sentences that affirms your $500 purchase.More power to you bro.
>>65007140The FCU design is quite neat but God damn is the 320 such a piece of shit
>>65007140Ok so the 320 is probably the flippiest pistol of its size I've shot but lmao actual wristlets
>>65009892It's hard to tell what's real or not anymore, but I think S&W and Glock are shilling the fuck out of gun boards. I doubt anything a person says if they go out of their way to praise Glock reliability, because it feels like they're reading off a sales pitch considering the last time Glock was a step above the immediate competition in reliability, it was the 20th century.
>>65009892Maybe, just maybe the default handgun is the best and you're just coping with gay shit like the P320, PDP, P10C, etc?
>>65010049I've shot (and own some of) every gun you're mentioning and literally every single one shoots better out of the box than a Glock. Yes, the P320 too, fuck off.If you want to be a Glock dicksuck, that's fine, but stop lying in my face, I'm not a retard, and I own one of your fucking dicksucking guns. It's not some modern masterpiece.
>>65010081>No you're wrong, my poorly designed striker slop is better than the standard!You had me going kid. You really did. Thankfully it's obvious from the bandages around your weak wrists that you've hurt yourself shooting those dogshit handguns
>>65009243>Anon, SIG is not a swiss company.yeah, complex question. firearm making sig et al are owned by a german holding company. actually finding out what is what is a fucking nightmare, and as best as i can tell, the original swiss sig company that partnered with sauer no longer makes firearms, but there is still a sig operation in switzerland that is owned mostly by the same german holding company but also by some swiss investors. so the brandname sig, with respect to firearms, is spread across several semi-independent companies, all of which are owned by a couple of krauts and push mostly the same products.the swiss division is now called sig sauer ag and is headquartered in Neuhausen am Rheinfal.https://www.sigsauer.swiss/en/about-us.phphttps://www.sigsauer.swiss/en/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_AGof course they're krauts and mountain krauts so probably everything they say is a lie anyway.
>>65007149>The Swiss don't fuck around with their weapons testing it seems.When the Swiss tested pistols after WWII the Luger in 7.65 they had been using was found to be the most accurate, followed by the Luger in 9mm and then the P210, but the Luger pistols were too expensive.
>>65008922Yes, the M9 is shootable without wrists apparently. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HKa06vU-Bjs
>>65010555>P210,>but the Luger pistols were too expensive.fuck me.
>>65008967>>65009892This. If this report is real, somebody got paid to smear the 320 on things it's actually good at and glaze the others.
>>65010010Fucking Taurus makes reliable guns now. It's not a big deal to make a firearm that needs minimal maintenance and runs in harsh conditions. Most will.
>>65007294>siglets will never back down no matter what evidence PLANET EARTH shows them
>>65007308I think it will go down in history as proof of what corporate greed can accomplish no matter how many people die over it. The other example of this is the SA80
>>65008089My wife owns one because she is a woman and a gun store boomer talked her into it while i was at work. I've shot it a lot but its objectively worse than everything else I own
>>65009892Anon, I know you hate Glocks but all those statements praising it are more or less true. They have excellent barrels that are noticeably better than their competitors. They do have very little recoil, especially compared to other shittier pistols like the 320 which has a snappier feel due to the high bore axis. The arguably worst feature of the Glock is the trigger but functionally it doesnt matter with a little bit of practice. You are just wrong retard
>>65010651Watching fat people trying to stand up after falling is genuinely one of the most painful things in the world to watch. Like if there was any indicator ever to lose some fucking weight it would their inability to get off the ground in under 30 whole damn seconds of visible effort.Anyways I've seen countless siggers literally watch the video of 320s discharging in holsters and they turn with a blank look on their face and ask "ok what seems to be the problem?" It genuinely feels like a mental illness. I don't get it, the gun isn't your identity. Just sell it and get something else
>the damage control and IDS A CONSPIRACY from P320 owners ITT
>>65010888I don't hate Glocks at all, I hate Glock people like yourself that won't even take the dick out of their mouth when they're talking to me.
>>65010930STFU nigger. If you say ANYTHING positive about ANY glock you get labeled a fanboy on this board, especially by retarded P320 simps. The amount of seethe the ugly, awkward plastic tools that glocks are is unmatched by any other gun manufacturer. The fact that the P320 is objectively worse than something as mediocre and uninteresting a glock simply cannot be handled for some reason. (((Ron))) and Sig SAAR and their consequences have been a disaster for people who have an irrational hatred of glocks.
>>65010930>I don't hate Glocks, I just IRRATIONALLY DESPISE themok delusional nigger
>>65010893>Watching fat people trying to stand up after falling is genuinely one of the most painful things in the world to watch.I think it’s hilarious. Fat >people deserve worse.
>>65009029>GermanyIvan learn to read. Your derangement syndrome is showing again.
>>65007308>the sigger is literally proud about sig's bribery workingUnsurprising.
>>65007140>SIG P320 is apparently the worst pistol that was ever made.yeah, we know.
>>65010893>I don't get it, the gun isn't your identity.careful, man, for damn near everyone here yes, yes the handgun you own is your whole damn identity and taking it is important that when people make critical statements about whatever gun you bought, that you conflate it into a personal attack and start accusing people of being homosexuals or democrats or what the fuck ever.
>>65007140>glock>better than H&KThis is how I know this report is absolute steaming bullshit.Like who are Glocktards trying to fool here?
>>65010934>STFU nigger. If you say ANYTHING positive about ANY glock you get labeled a fanboy on this boardBecause you are a fanboy and you are acting like a weird dork about a shockingly mediocre handgun that has been eclipsed by numerous other platforms in the current era.I'm assuming it's because you can't afford anything else or watch too many gun influencers (Super Gay) that you guys wave your arms and throw a literal toddler scream cry tantrum (exactly what you're doing now) the moment someone points out that an out of the box Glock (and the ones made unsafe and shitty by expensive mods) shoots worse than just about any other striker gun on the market.
>>65011500I'm not the same anon you stupid fuck. I'm just calling you out for calling anyone who says something good about a glock a fanboy.
>>65011495idk but seeing 'glock has an excellent trigger' in writing is funny. It's like some seanbaby shit back from when the internet was funny.
>>65007160Women in the armed forces are useless. Their only purpose is the decrease the morale by spreading jealousy among the males.
>>65011511>I'm not a fanboy, I'm just in this thread vehemently and fervently defending the virtues of something I totally don't care at all about.Got it bro, LOL!
>>65011188Swiss are mountain Germans and the Dutch are swamp Germans.
The VP9's onpy issue is that HK refuses to not oversprung the fuck out of it. Something like a 21lb spring from factory to cycle extremely hot 9mm rounds.
>>65007145>pov you couldn't complete the pistol firing test
>>65008089I did, it was shit and the p365 was better in everyway
>>65007145>three out of five female participants had to be killed due to the setback
>>65011557Wrong on both accounts. Swiss are mountain jews and Dutch are swamp jews. Not to be confused with the rare deep water jew
>>65008922They should have kept the 1911 because it's iconic and no one in the military ever uses a pistol anyway (besides for domestic violence purposes of course).
>>65008089I think my M17 handgun is good but granted it's probably better built than the average P320
>>65010888Glocks are mediocre in basically everything except how often you should clean it. That's literally all they're good for when compared to the competition these days
>>65012956>t. doesn't know shit about Glocks and is going off of his feelings
>>65013440My first two handguns were Glocks because I was given the fairly standard advice to just get a Glock, leave it stock, and learn to love it. They were incredibly utilitarian, unfun tools that probably will do the job, but the experience is entirely mediocre and their feature set is lacking.
>>65013440Explain to me why I should like Glock better than Smith and Wesson's M&P series.
>>65011565This, never shot such an unnecessarily snappy pistol in my life. It was the reason I eventually sold my VP9. I do not have the same issue with a Glock, even one with a dual captured spring which Glock themselves just did away with because its already oversprung for .40 cal which they don't even make guns for anymore
>>65012524You'd be surprised to learn that that isn't true at all anon, lol>>65013481Glocks have more mechanically accurate barrels, but this is only noticeable if you are a good shooter. Also Glocks are easier to take apart and modify if you need to, it's a bitch to swap the trigger on an M&P, although this isn't that big of a deal. The M&Ps, being derived directly from Glocks, are probably a solid second place to Glocks or decently made Glock clonesPlease tell me you aren't one of the people who think all polystriker pistols are Glock clones by default?
>>65013502I'd prefer to stick with the M&P just for the fact that it's harder to cause a failure from limp-wristing than a Glock. Also, the accuracy thing is complete and utter bullshit seeing as the rifling change from 3 to 5 was to make the justice system happy, not to make a better barrel.
>>65013502Basically every professional shooter says to not really worry about the mechanical accuracy of a pistol barrel unless it is obviously defective in some way; human simply can't utilize it after a certain point. What's more important is if the barrel locks up tightly, so that it stays where it's supposed to. That isn't to say that Glocks do not have mechanically accurate barrels, it's just you're not going to see a return from it really.
>>65007140>Glock 45, HK VP9, Sig P320why only German weapons producers?
>>65013536Professional shooters do care about mechanical accuracy retard. It matters a lot for long distance shots. Glock haters really are at best just casuals
>>65013748Retard
>>65013748The mechanical accuracy of a pistol barrel is not meaningfully contributing past a certain point, and that point is honestly pretty low. Technique, and possibly accuracy of the sights/optic are many hundreds of times more important and valuable than the marginal fractions of a percent differences in accuracy of most modern manufacture barrels. If you're talking long guns, that's a much different story, but pistols? Nah, shooter accuracy is much more important unless there's something genuinely wrong with the barrel.
>>65013748Old bennie boy has stock barrels in virtually all of his non glock guns and has even commented that most of the time you don't have to replace them. But even if Glock did have a remarkably much more accurate barrel and that mattered, it'd still be mid
>>65013481Easily way to get hand grenades
>>65013748> It matters a lot for long distance shots.Which isn’t a factor in pistols retard
>>65014135*easiest. Goddammit I can’t type and not my shitty joke makes me sound like a jeet
>>65013751nigger
>>65014139With a red dot it's possible to make consistent hits out to 75-100 yards. Your barrel accuracy absolutely does matter at this point
>>65013486It has to be because HK is trying to sell to mil/leo that do shoot hot 9mm rounds. Really I put in a dpm system(zr makes a cheaper but different recoil) and the vp9 shoots like the pistol it should be. Both the pdp and vp9 suffer from autistic Germans wanting to sell for contracts rather than normal people
What do we think about the Sig 365 series? I like the 365XL for concealed carry; but I'm hearing talk of different orgs picking up the Fuze
>>65014938felt like a nice gun to shoot but ive heard things about shit going bad at high but not actually that high roundcounts.supposedly the trigger springs and recoil springs wear out pretty fast compared to other designs.
>>65008089never ask a p320 owner if they've been shot by one
>>65014291>With a red dot it's possible to make consistent hits out to 75-100 yards.True. But the inherent accuracy differences between a pistol from any major manufacturer isn’t going to make a difference. Expecting 75-100 yards shots from a pistol, even with a red dot, is retarded. Have you shot that far? How often? What size target? I have on steel torsos and it’s hard. I’ll admit I’m not the best shooter around but if you get much smaller than that you aren’t getting consistent hits. Regardless, that’s not the use case for 99.9999% of pistol shots. 25 yards is honestly far for 99% of pistol shots.
>>65011477Yes, the people are retarded
