The Bongland Army is set to adopt a new standard issue cervix rifle. Hedge your bets here. The contenders are:>Beretta NARP>Sako M23>SIG MCX>SIG M7>HK416>HK433>CZ BREN 3>KAC KS-1>SCAR-L>SCAR-HAs you can see, the tender hasn't specified the rifle should be 5.56 NATO and seems to allow for non standard calibresEven though it's not listed here (or in any official sources I've read) The Canadians recently adopted a new service rifle and seeing as Britain had adopted C7s and C8s in limited capacity before. I think it's reasonable to assume the CMAR is in the running too.There was also a Jeet company which announced its desire to compete. The comments section of the yt video taking about it was full of Jeets pretending to be white and glazing India kek
>>65008037>Project Graybrun*Project Grayburn, typo
>be bongland>start industrial revolution >conquer ¼ of earth>make more guns than anyone else>be on the winning side of both world wars>surrender your empire for jews>export your industrial base>import browns to rape your children >need a new military rifle>can't even domestically produce one>have less military industry than Finland >pay TV license >die
I like the Sako
>>65008138
>>65008179What, the UK?
>>65008293Bodied that freak.
>>65008315>Bodied that fre-ACK!
>>65008037I'm fine with anything but the SIGs or the SCARs
>>65008037luv me sum bren 3>>65008138>t.butthurt jeet
SCAR 17 in 6.5 Cree- just kidding, .25-08, just for fun.
>>65008037The last time Bongs adopted a Bren they won a world war with it. That’s all you need to know.
>>65008774>>65008791The Bren has a pretty good shot at winning the trial because it's also quite cost effective. iirc I read somewhere the only rifle that worried HK for the Germany contract was the Bren
>>65008037Does the fact HK helped fix the L85 weight in on picking the 416? Or is command resentful of the krauts helping out?
>>65008037The sigger furry rifle is probably gonna win because of political meddling and general retardation. Plus England consistently fucks up acquisitions so it'd make sense they'd adopt the worst rifle available (unless the jeets really do show up with a gun)
>>65008832It helps a decent amount because of the HK facilities already in the UK which means it's easier for them to set up local production as stipulated in the tender.Anyway I'm probably already beating a dead horse but, HK were owned by Royal Ordnance at the time.
>>65008037Marines already use KAC so thats my money
>>65008850I was of the same camp but, the KAC seems too expensive for general issue
>>65008037We've discussed these before if anyone wants a recap for some reason.>>61157018>>62629245>>63884762>>64407879
>>65008861Damn, I don't remember seeing any of those threads I suppose they came and went fairly quickly. How long do you reckon it'll take them to decide? apparently it could happen this year
>>65009261>Damn, I don't remember seeing any of those threadsSome are from 2024, some are from 2025.>How long do you reckon it'll take them to decide?Depends on how much government corruption is involved. The military has already tested the designs, and the companies have already placed their bids. Now the British wait for their government paper pushers to stop being overly bureaucratic and finally decide.
>>65009338Which one is your money on?
>>65008037Krauts just picked up a CZ service pistol, so I wouldn't be surprised if they go for the Bren 3. The Berettas and HKs maybe, if they can sell them at a decent price. I think KAC is a little too pricey for the procurement guys to approve it. KAC alongside Sig are gonna be at a political disadvantage regardless of performance, because they're coming from the wrong side of the pond. >SCARs for standard issueLol, lmao.
>>65008850See>>65008859their marine corps is small with somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000 depending on how you measure, but also has the most comprehensive training for basic infantry in the world. The British army is like 80,000-100,000 depending on how you measure. KAC might be expensive for the army.
>>65009346I believe it'll be the BREN (cheapest option there) or the HK (the British are in love with HK and SIG products). There's a small chance the 5.56 MCX wins, but I find it highly unlikely that the M7 wins. Everything else on the list might work well but won't beat the BREN's value, nor do their companies have the pull that those German companies have on British firearm procurement.
>>65009397>Sig are gonna be at a political disadvantage regardless of performance, because they're coming from the wrong side of the pond.The 5.56 MCX would be made in the German SIG factories.
i'd put my money on 416 or Bren, MCX as a wildcard because SIG knows that one weird trick to win bids.
>>65008037>SIG M7>pleaseGoditwouldbesofuckingfunnyThis board might actually have a stroke>>65008393>2021Mohammad Bin Al-Londini with the jokes over here
>>65009420>The 5.56 MCX would be made in the German SIG factories.They have to be produced under license in Britain anyway
>>65009413Same in terms of likelihood I think it's 1. Bren 32. HK4163. M7I actually think the M7 is a decent chance of being selected if the CZ or HK aren't by virtue of the calibre. If the MoD ignores them it would probably mean it's not interested in 5.56 anymore
I hope they pick the HK 433 because it's new and cool looking. Continued 416 supremacy would also be neat. The HK factory already in the UK certainly gives HK a leg up.
>>65009425If sig is going to pull shenanigans then they're getting the M7, possibly by telling the MoD boomers about the PKM and muh overmatch and saying it'd reestablish trust in NATO or some shit
>>65008037>433Never ever, that one is a victim of Hak's own success
>>65008138t. seething streetshitter
>>65009654Unironcally and it's kind of a shame. They've effectively made the de facto rifle of the west and now can't pitch a rifle that's generally better because who the hell is gonna buy the other HK instead of the HK everyone and their dog is getting?
>>65008037either Sako or KAC
>>65009682How about you sako on this kac, bitch?
>>65008037Bren is cheap and at the very least previous iterations proved reliable and decently robust (-charging handle) in ukraine. 416 might win just because everyone else is getting it and have placed decently large orders.
>>65009654>>65009672I love the look of it but there's not really a big enough change let alone improvement to warrant paying to tool up for a new rifle
>>65009507What would compel them to go with the M7?
>>65009338>The military has already tested the designsany publicly available results?
>>65009724merchant tricks
>>65009724The caliber. He already mentioned the caliber of the M7 would be the only reason it would be adopted in lieu of the previously mentioned superior rifles
>>65009672>Make dependable lightweight rifle>Yurope shuns it for heavy plastic gay rifles>Germany makes a heavier, pricer, more prone to a broken bolt AR>Gyros buy them up in drovesI just don't get it anons
>>65009830Euros are even worse than Canada with their closeted desire to be American. They can't even adopt a regular AR, it had to be proprietary for no good reason so its un-American enough for their sensibilities
>>65009507Interesting, mine were1. BREN2. HK 4163. SIG MCX 5.564. HK 433
>>65009483Oh, even more reason "being on the wrong side of the pong" isn't an issue.
>>65008774>>65009667What makes you think jeets are mad? Jeets are cheering for the current state of the UK, being brown there is like living in a 24/7 porno, you can snatch any schoolgirl you want right off the streets and the cops will cover it up and arrest the parents if they complain. Must be amazing desu.
>>65009724shared ammo with the US and better stopping power/range than any 7.62
>>65009728>Companies with well designed products hate him! See how SIG wins all the government contracts with this one simple trick
>>65008037>Project GaybumNARP for the LARP.
Why don't they just put together a generic AR-15 on their own like the Koreans did?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasan_Machineries_DSAR-15
>>65011054Because we live in Europe and can literally just go ask FN, H&K or like a dozen other world class gun makers about it.
>>65011086Something, something, National pride, something, something, Self-reliance and domestic industry O Algo
>>65011089We can also go ask them to set up a factory here (and in fact many of them already have one).
>>65008037HK416 or sig
>>65008037Just adopt the hk416 and get it over with>>65011095Hk416 is basically nato's standard issue rifle at this point (France Germany us Marines Norway turkey to a degree since mpt55/76 started out as a carbon copy of the 416)
>>65011100I kinda wanna adopt the Bren or the HK433 just to have the controls be a little different from the Ar-15 and 416
>>65011112You're gonna adopt the AR-15 like the most of nato's big armies and you're gonna like it resistance is futileFunnily enough if the mpt series of rifles we'rent a thing could have seen the 433 replace the hk33 with G3 being modernized instead >Turk
>>65011054No small arms industry big enough to produce the rifles.
I am so fucking sick of "Ar-15 but piston"
>>65011126Why? The concept was created by Delta Force
>>65011147Boring and oversaturated
>>65011150You will wear your multicam uniform generic plate carrier and ops core helmet, wield your piston AR-15 and You will like it!
>>65011147>Created by Delta ForcePopularized while they worked the kinks out of 10.3" di guns. You'll notice the 416 doesn't show up much anymore.
>>65008037>Adopt proven FN design, the SCAR-H>Use the long barrel variant>Paint it suncorite black>Make it semi-automatic onlyFuck it, welcome back SLR.
>>65008179>61%>White alone percent74.8%From the US Census Bureau.
>>65011122?
>>65008037Realistically? 416, it's practically the standard rifle of NATO and is pretty solidly established. Possibly? M7 due to typical SIG tomfoolery and MoD boomers getting sold on extra range and muh powah. Funny? VHS-2 outta nowhere, more bullpup because fuck you all
>>65008037>am unbiased czechfagobviously bren>to keep at british rifle adoption brilliancesig m7>pls not yet another ARhk433>actual rational choicekac since AR and their other branches already adopted it
Bren 3
>>65008037They will pick one that folds as a middle ground solution to the bullpup question. Bren is cool but VBSS already uses the MCX so thats where I bet.
>>65008037Wasn't it down to the NARP/Sako (both owned by Beretta?) Everyone like a year ago made it sound like it was a choice between the two.
>>65008037If it was life or death I would pick the 416 because of it’s track record
>>65008774>t.butthurt jeetnigger there aren't any butthurt jeets they're too busy raping bong women>>65008832hk was british owned at that time. that's no longer the case.
>>65009672>They've effectively made the de facto rifle of the westlol
>>65011446>White alone is closer to 59-56%https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDT1Y2024.B03002?q=B03002+United+States+plus+Puerto+Rico+2024
>>65012245It's more or less the FAL of its time at this point.
>>65008037Why aren't Colt Canada in the competition?
>>65012735idk, they were specifically excluded from the ranger rifle trial as well, so there's clearly some bad blood there.
>>65008037>SIG M7There would be a huge shitstorm if sig m7 somehow won.
>>65012967I actually think if the UK modified the SIG XM8/M8 to remove the AR charging handle and remove a bit more height and mass that it would actually be the most forward thinking rifle. Every other gun is 20+ year old technology and offers nothing future proof. Yes the ammo for the SIG is heavier but if they can get the m8 under 7 pounds with a mfmd suppressor nobody would have a better rifle on the planet.
>>65008037Hopefully the HK416, European armies should be generally looking towards standardization in equipment.
>>65011446>counts asians as white>counts latinx as white
>>65013276>Every other gun is 20+ year old technology and offers nothing future proof.Theres nothing future proof about change for changes sake.
>>65013276>Every other gun is 20+ year old technology and offers nothing future proof.So, is the sig. What are you talking about?
>>65011676Bren is the cheapest and is still a really good rifle so, it has a really good chance. I think it's a tight race between the Bren and the HK416.>>65009724For ammunition parity with the US
>>65013558>>65014497None of the other guns can push a 121 grain projectile 3000 feet per second out of a 11 inch barrel
>>65016694So? A faster heavier projectile is not automatically future proofed, or else we would never have ditched 30.06.
>>65016707Why would any military want a flatter trajectory, less wind drift, longer effective range, more muzzle energy, better sectional density, better ballistic coefficient, better retained energy, lighter weight 7.62 NATO replacement that is the size of a SMG
>>65012317>>65013547>white alone>no it-Read nigger.
>>65009507Can CZ start making Brens chambered in 6.8 Common? They already have a version of the Bren for 7.62x51 an I wrong?
>>65016749Because the bulk of that shit doesn't matter for an infantry carbine. The most crucial traits of a rifle is that it be lightweight, controllable and carry a lot of ammo. The M7 is a regression in all those fields. Trajectory, BC and sectional density are considerations for a DMR or MMG, which makes sense as the M7 is literally a repackaged failed CSASS bid, but borderline irrelevant for a mass issued rifle. You're there to make noise to keep people in place for artillery or vehicles to mop them up, infantry squads doing leet sniping is fantasy.>7.62 NATO replacement that is the size of a SMGI assume your point of reference here is some shit from WW2, because no SMG fielded in living memory is that big.
I still don't get why they misspelled grey
>>65008037Its going to be something made by Sig so who cares
>>65008138Grim
>>65008037I want it to be the SCAR but accept that reality is far too gay for that to ever actually happen
>>65017454516G3 maybe?
>>65016790idk, it might be like something like the 10mm auto vs .45 acp situation but for rifles>>65017460you actually like the scar?
>>65017261I think it might be named after this guy who won a VC at Arnhem:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grayburn
>>65016790>6.8 CommonI had to look it up to see if it was a new cartridge. I had no idea we already had a third name for the military cartridge.>They already have a version of the Bren for 7.62x51 an I wrong?The BREN 2 could be bought in .308. The BREN 3, on the other hand, does not have a .308 version ready yet.>>65017867>you actually like the scar?NTA. Why not? The original ones had flaws but the design has been improved multiple times.
>>65018383>Why not?It's still really expensive and nowhere near as good as the other rifles on the list I always found it ugly too
>>65019211>It's still really expensiveA total non-issue for the military; they are using .50 cal belt-feds, and you think they can't buy and use these?>nowhere near as good as the other rifles on the listTo my understanding, its issues have been fixed. It is a reliable rifle.>I always found it ugly tooFair enough.
>>65009420There are no german SIG factories
>>65008393>Believing ANY data from the UK governmentLol. LMAO, even.
>>65009667You should greentext that, stupid fucking butthurt subject newfag.Don't you have aome sisters or daughters to beliver to a muzzie rape gang before you get arrested for a hate crime?
>>65011607What of that did you possibly not understand?
>>65021799Alright Chuddah, you can go to bed now
>>65022036Based chuddah is always right, I appreciate you conceding
>>65008037The SCAR-H, but built domestically, to imperial units, with a much longer barrel, and redesigned furniture that looks an awful lot like pic related.
>>65026112And with this oil crisis happening it would be better to make the furniture from a more sustainable material like, say.. wood
>>65026203Exactly, and with the likely upgrades in small arms sights technology that are likely to happen in the next few years it's probably better to leave the baseline Grayburn rifle with just its integral iron sights at the point of production - making it easy to integrate new future sights into the rifle later down the line!
>>65026112>>65026203>>65026251True but you gotta admit it's definitely an ugly rifle like that.
