So what are their military prospects looking like going forward?
>>65008890ACKKKKK
>>65008890Completly dead as a group. They will and are already are fighting amongst themselevs and jockeying for position
>>65008899>alreadythey've never truly got along with each other. despite all the talk about global south solidarity they'd all be genociding each other of the evil west wasn't making them behave
>>65008890China and india are in the middle of a decades long border dispute where their soldiers have literally killed each other with sticks and stones. Brazil is on the other side of the planet from all the other members. South africa is incapable of keeping their lights on. Russia is self explanatory. Brics is a meme, and nothing more than a long term Chinese ploy to eventually force its members to adopt the yuan. Despite the member states being thirdie shit holes, even they understand that china can't be trusted, and that's why it'll never work.
>>65008945Brics was a theoretical group of markets that could, if developed the way the original Goldman Sachs paper went, make investors a fuck ton of money. Reality however has proven that one of the members is too corrupt to function as a normal state, one of the members is quite happy ceasing to be a state, one of its members is working to antagonize western economies and has been manipulating its currency for decades, one of its members is india, and Brazil is the only one that made anything of itself really. It was never a military or chinese "counter balance" to NATO, it was always a bunch of bankers trying to figure out how they could get in on the ground floor and make a fuckload of money.
>>65008890Reminder that BRICS started off as a shorthand acronym invented by a London banker in the foreign investment trade.
>>65008980(me)>>65008969Just saw your post. If I remember right, BRICs came about after people had made a shit ton of money in the "emerging markets" in central/eastern Europe. There was strong pressure to identify where the next big development boom was going to happen.
>>65008980>>65008988Yeah. Like it meant a group of emerging economies where the average person could now afford disposable diapers. There's a weird narrative about BRICS on the internet (dissident right/tankie/thirdie discourse), like there are fans of it who imagine it as some macho 21st century Warsaw Pact super alliance. You can see a fair number of Indians being cringe online by liking tweets about how BRICS will be the new world order. But who would BRICS side with in the war with Iran? Observer member Iran getting bombed or observer member UAE being bombed by observer member Iran?Or neither, because BRICS isn't a military or ideological bloc. There are not many BRICS institutions and probably never will be like the majority of non-alignment organizations that have ever existed. You can get some more bilateral contracts between countries out of it, but it has no loyalty obligations. Its members openly deal with opposing sides. China trades heavily with Israel and Saudi Arabia while backing Iran. Russia coordinates with Iran but maintains ties with Israel and the Gulf states. Brazil sells to and buys from the U.S. and E.U. while staying in BRICS. South Africa trades extensively with Western economies despite its political stance. BRICS ended up being neutral and sovereign as everyone wanted from it, but the main thing is that you can't build anything coherent on owning the Westoids that much, it's not a really great fundamental for anything. There's more substance to being a full wumao Sinotriumph shill or getting into blockchain futurism.
>>65009006>There are not many BRICS institutions and probably never will be like the majority of non-alignment organizations that have ever existed.Too many people online make the retarded assumption that every international treaty organization is like the EU or NATO. The EU and NATO are the exceptions, not the rule. Even orgs like CIS and CSTO are little more than annual photo-op opportunities.
>>65008945>China and india are in the middle of a decades long border dispute where their soldiers have literally killed each other with sticks and stones. That was 6 years ago.
>>65008890Anyone still talking about BRICS is outing themselves as a boomer Marxist because this group was never really a coherent bloc and is even less so now. India and China being on the same team is a fucking fantasy and South Africa is geopolitically irrelevant. The only countries in that """""group""""" that matter are Russia, India and China because they have nuclear weapons.
>>65008890I think Brazil is more or less the most powerful player in their region, and they seem to be papering over Trump’s issues with them through a major rare earth deal undercutting China, meaning that if it all goes through they’ll be very well positioned in the coming decades. The others aren’t in nearly as good a position comparatively
>>65008890BRICS never existed to begin with.
>>65009081Oh they exist alright, but it's just performative
BRICS was economic fantasy, from countries that largely have conflicting ambitions. CSTO was the military alliance, and that laughably fell apart when Russia shirked on its responsibility to assist an ally. Out of the Global South, only China is thriving because they haven't done anything immensely retarded (yet.)
>>65009156Only because they haven't done anything yet.
>>65008896What is with Muslims and these tacky as fuck memorials?
>>65009156>CSTO was the military allianceThat was just the neo-Rusian Empire, replacing the Soviet coat of paint with a vague promise that the VDV would come to crush the inevitable public uprising.
Seethe over the west in internet forums?
>>65009156>China>Global south >>65009187Low IQ
What blew up in israel now?
>>65009187not just muslim, it's 3rd wolders in general. i've seen the same shit in africa, south america, russia, etc.
>>65008890China is the final cope of muh multipolar world. Either they do the funny in 27 or 28 or they’re cucked forever.
>>65009405The irony is that the Soviet remnants in control of modern Russia couldn't care less about Russia's own ambitions, they're just using it as a vehicle in a bid to revive their dead country.
>>65010718To their mind these are the same things. Russian imperial reconquest will revive Rusian spirit and magically fix the economy/declining population/etc.Just like their rationalizing their own corruption ('if I won't take it, the next guy would and at least I will give something back to the people/the country/etc', while they're all actualy stuck in a vile pyramid scheme enforced by kompromat.This is also fueled by the realization that some of the best (i.e. richest) places in the former Soviet Union/Russian Empire were in Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and the Baltics. Areas that want to get as far away from Russia as possible.
>>65008890BRICS were shat. It's a dead project.
>>65008890Shitting brics.
>>65008890they are functionally dead>Brazilstagnating (economical & demographical) regional middle powerthe only reason they're remotely relevant is because they grown decently in the early 2000s and have a sizable populationbut now they have brain drain to fucking Portugal>Russiaway past their peakother than muh nukes and large resource irrelevantthey even struggle to project power to their tiny, non-militarized neighbors now...>Indiaalongside China the only relevant country on that listimprobably that they develop like China (militarily)but very likely that they will be THE major power in the Indian Ocean a 1-2 decades>Chinacapability wise they likely will match the US soonbut they don't have global ambitions, so who knowsif they don't fumble over some stupid small pieces of land (Taiwan, India etc.), they'll likely can take Russias former spot as the #2 military power in the world>South Africawho?
>>65009024>The EU and NATO are the exceptions, not the rule. >Even orgs like CIS and CSTO are little more than annual photo-op opportunitiesjust because everything Russia touches turns to shit, doesn't mean that this is true for everywhere elsethere are others>East African Federation is currently forming and will be almost a carbon copy of the EU (they even requested some EU advisors)>African Unionis less integrated but also has real, bureaucratic structures with a Commission and allbut obviously a lot less power>CARICOMis a less "formalized" version of the EU for the Caribbeanbut similar structures and benefits
>>65010917The key thing about the EU is that while nobody really lloves it for what it is, it is there to make everyone more wealthy.And that is because everyone working together to be more wealthy in an organization that upsets everyone is way, WAY better than fighting a devastating war roughly once per generation.
>>65010917>East African FederationInteresting, I hadn't heard about that. At first glance, the Wikipedia page for it seems to be shit.
>>65008890You realize that Brazil, India and South Africa are not allied to Russia right? At this point BRICS is just a forgotten concept.
Irrelevant, BRICS isn't a military alliance. You're probably thinking of the CSTO, which is living proof that Russians do have a sense of humor.
>>65011078>nobody really lloves it for what it isother than some retards online and a few far right / left wing perma contrariansI have yet to meet a single person that genuinely dislikes the EUthe EU literally has no tangible disadvantages (your tax money would otherwise be wasted by local corruption anyway, now it goes into infrastructure...)but countless advantages you get to experience every time you travel, shop online, go grocery shopping and so oncritique yes, plenty in factbut nobody dislikes it>>65011142>hadn't heard about thatit doesn't exist in it's full form yetand has been in the making for a loooong time nowbut currently it looks like it's actually happening with broad support from all reigning governmentsit's also very interesting in how the m23 + Rwanda vs DRC conflict will play outmost likely it'll stabilize because Rwanda will get access to Congo resources officially and thus m23 will lose all their leveragewhich I think somewhat is intended the goal here
>>65011216>it doesn't exist in it's full form yet>and has been in the making for a loooong time now>but currently it looks like it's actually happening with broad support from all reigning governments>it's also very interesting in how the m23 + Rwanda vs DRC conflict will play out>most likely it'll stabilize because Rwanda will get access to Congo resources officially and thus m23 will lose all their leverage>which I think somewhat is intended the goal hereYou should also look into the Alliance of Sahel States. They say they want to rapidly become one country.
>>65011216>I have yet to meet a single person that genuinely dislikes the EUThat is what I mean. Nobody really loves it, I doubt anyone even stands for the European Anthem. But everyone with more than two brain cells understands it's there to actually do something that is good and helpful to everyone.Even if it results in boring dumbass regulations that annoy you.>the EU literally has no tangible disadvantages (your tax money would otherwise be wasted by local corruption anyway, now it goes into infrastructure...)>but countless advantages you get to experience every time you travel, shop online, go grocery shopping and so onExactly. Doubly so if you remember the absolute fucking idiocy of pre-Schengen or pre-Euro times.>critique yes, plenty in fact>but nobody dislikes itWell, you can dislike things while still seeing that they're a good idea.
>>65008890Dark. Brown, even.
>>65011274>I doubt anyone even stands for the European Anthem.It's pretty good thoughhttps://youtu.be/XM9erS90gTE
>>65010917Surprised you didn't mention ASEAN.
>>65008890Brazil is the real standout in quietly delivering some decent equipment.I guess China too but no one really knows. Too much FUD/hopes and dreams.
>>65011219Aren't the Sahel countries all recently coup'd and military juntas? Any union of them doesn't sound stable.
>>65011699That's what makes it interesting.
>>65008890BRICS isnt real. BRICS can't hurt you.>>65008908It was literally made up by Wall Street for potential investment. This a stupid meme people keep bringing up because they want to laugh at people who were already failing at life.
>>65011699i bet if we put all the coupers into one government they'll be stuck in an endless coup loop. let's give it a shot
>>65011670>Surprised you didn't mention ASEAN.because they are more similar to the Russian photo ops than the EUCARICOM resulted in tangible, real laws for common trade, cultural exchange and joint foreign policiesthere are official bodies, institutions, a council etc.and the goal is a Schengen like areasome CARICOM countries already have full freedom of movementEast African Union already has something like Schengen "light"and even wants a common currency in the futureASEAN is essentially just a yearly meetup to talk and pinky promise to improve economic relationsthat's very different
>>65011216>I have yet to meet a single person that genuinely dislikes the EUHalf the brain rotten zoomers I have to interact with hate the EU because some faggot wannabe tough guy on instagram told them it was gay or something. Mind you, this is right after telling me how nice their trip to Italy was, and how they're planning on going to Germany for work.
So basically the non aligned movement but without the diversity of development levels, numbers, neutrality and culture of cooperation that made the non aligned movement attractive?
>>65008899So it is written
