any of you anons ever handle one of these? if so, how was it?i'm interested in getting one simply out of interest, but i've seen mixed reviews, yet reviews are always skewed by retardsi just wanna know what i'm getting into, and if its worth it at all
supposedly, theres no eye relief requirements or parallax
Gimmick for boomers, no real reason to use one over a dot.
>>65010760no reason to use a dot over irons in any worldbut magnified optics are the real shit
>>65010760looks smaller than a dot. Surely that's a factor.
>>65010757I have three of them. One of them is great in the dark. It's like using an open AK leave site. Yeah they work.
>>650108131-2 moa dots are always useful when many irons are 5+
>>65010824Clearing up my typos because I'm using speech to text. One of them is glow in the dark. They are like akm leaf sights. Fuck phone posting is gay.
>>65010813>no reason to use a dot over irons in any worlddots are both more accurate than irons, faster than irons and easier to shoot with both eyes open than irons
>>65010755I have one. I works, but if you move your head at all then you completely lose your sight picture. Not much of an advantage over a dot, especially one that automatically adjusts and has shake awake. And now I’m starting to think that those kind of dots don’t have much of an advantage over an LPVO, except for weight typically (if you’re a total faggot and wasted $1k on an eotech dot sight that weighs a pound then I can’t help you)
>>65010757Isn't this just ironsight with extra steps.
>>65010976you can say that about anything
>>65010820Smaller but not by much.
>>65010755im also interested in these as backups for a scope (maybe even put the scope on see-through rings so you can use the see-all whenever
If you want something that's not irons, and you want something unmagnified, and you have astigmatism and can't use red dots, and you don't want to pay the EOTech Tactilarp Call of Duty tax, and you want something made in the USA, this is your option.For most, they can be replaced by a 1x prism (e.g. Primary Arms, who at least is an American company with American customer support)
>>65010755Ask Burt in /hg/
Why can't you just be normal?
>>65011717i like collecting unique things for funif its dogshit, i'll avoid it, but by the replies and reviews it seems alright enough
>>65011830the currently accepted "standard" for great sights is literally three dots of paint on little protrusions from the top of a gun.Anything that doesn't actively impede your vision should be either good enough or better than irons.
>>65011839thats great anon, really, it is (not joking)that doesn't satisfy my curiosity for interesting gimmicks thoughi already got bomb proof optics & $1000+ rifles, but you know what i don't have? a silly & weird sight that looks funnydon't get pissy at people for putting a little mustard in a ham sandwich, spice is what makes life worth living
>>65011860>that doesn't satisfy my curiosity for interesting gimmicks though>i already got bomb proof optics & $1000+ rifles, but you know what i don't have? a silly & weird sight that looks funnyThis. Worst case, it'll look suitably weird in a display next to the Nydar and WW2 K-13 Sperry gunsight.
>>65011860>guys im being a huge fag and i WANT to buy something but i need the internet to tell me to do it, and even though theres ALREADY posts telling me its fine to buy i will still be a bitch and ask the basket weaving himalayans on /k/.>get a post that says "if its literally anything better than irons its good enough">"don't get pissy at people for putting a little mustard in a ham sandwitch"kill yourself
>>65011940brown
>>65011940What, you pining for more spamposts about "how many niggers will die invading Karg Island!?!" or "Look at this new video of dumbass russians suckstarting their AK after a drone blows their testicles off!"?FFS man.(image unrelated)
>>65010755I wanted to buy a couple of these for a shtf situation, then I remembered I would be dead in a couple of months without some of the meds I take anyhow.
>>65011977So, what's stopping you?
>>65011070>TRS25 with no riserCome on now, nobody is going to use that thing at rail height.
>>65012001nta, but target pistols and AK's are pretty common to see them used on
>>65012006>pistolsI don't see how that's relevant in a thread about a rifle sight. I'll give you the AK thing, I don't pay a lick of attention to the AK world since AKs and 7.62x39 are no longer cheap.
>>65012022>I don't see how that's relevant in a thread about a rifle sight.anon...
>>65012028That's just retarded.
>>65012028>putting a sight on pistols that has a big knob or nut on the side of itwhat's wrong with people
>>65012036>>65012037its a 22lr plinker, what did you guys expect?
>>65010755Looks like the worst of both worlds. >>65010760t. Actual retarded person. >>65012036Everything about the seeall is retarded.
>>65012028>>65012045Actually, one of the things i intend to drop one of these sights on is a S&W 22A, and just because I am an old fuck and my eyes are shitting the bed. And I am only getting so far on pure fucking point shooting.
>>65012060>Everything about the seeall is retarded.I just spent $1000 on safety glasses.You too, will be old someday, little /k/tard.
>>65012079Being old doesn’t mean you have to be retarded. There is no excuse for using a seeall.
>>65012163am i a joke to you?
>>65012163None. None at all. Except i think it's interesting, and I have the money.So, when can I expect you to show up at my range, demanding to see my licence to possess silly shit sold on the internet?Cause I want to make sure the dogs and hogs are extra underfed that week.
>>65012171No Mr. Seal, I’m trying to keep people from using you. You deserve better. >>65012181You don’t own any animals. You’re an internet badass. You probably watch Yellowstone.
>>65010825Calculating iron sight MOA is a bit bizarre –it would make sense if your POA wasn't slightly above the front post
>>65012242>You don’t own any animals. You would be very mistaken.>You’re an internet badass.If you say so, cupcake. >You probably watch Yellowstone.What? No why would I watch a park when I've been there? The fishing is meh and the only fun is watching Chinese try and pet the bison.You're silly.
>>65012555>the only fun is watching Chinese try and pet the bison.Fucking kekd and chkd
>>65010948you can get a decent red dot for like $100. LPVOs that have a good 1x are heavy and expensive
>>65011198I have an astigmatism and red dots aren't even that bad
I wish shit like this had a rent option. I would try it and I have a lever action rifle and a shotgun I'd try it on, but I don't like spending money on accessories that I don't end up using
>>65011977that sucks. the worst I get are allergies and I got this thing where my balls hurt if I don't wear underwear with proper ball support
>>65012001>>65012022people use those low mount risers on shotguns and rifles that are designed to use iron sights and have lower combs like on a lever action
>>65011860>mustard in a ham sandwichYou sick freak.
>>65011717>the status quo never had to be better beforeFucking Ludite Neanderthals.
>>65014533That’s literally a required ingredient retard.
>>65014386>I wish shit like this had a rent option>$140Fucking poors. Guns are an equipment intensive sport. Might as well be a skier and complain about the price of poles. Faggots.
>>65014533i'd rather be a freak than a mustardcel
>>65014575>required>he hasn't seen the sandwich matrixNothing is "required" to make a ham sandwich except bread and ham. The rest are options. Dork.
>>65014578>pissing away money pointlessly instead of on ammo is le based>buying decent skies is the same as buying led light strips for skiesyeah
>>65014629>silly presentations justify my prejudices Yeah.
>>65014578>no you're poor if you don't waste money on garbage
>>65014661>yes, you're poor if you can't afford $140 and resell it if you don't like itOh, the risk is too great!
>>65014714reselling is annoying, faggot. not all of us are retards with our time and money like you are
>>65014714>have it for short while>only costs a fraction of the msrp Sounds like renting with extra steps, lmao
this looks like the kind of stupid gimmick shit you'd find at a gun show made by a ghost company that only existed for the 6 months when it was being manufactured
>>65010755It's to game 3gun rules about backup optics, if you don't want to compete in Open
>>65014731Yet, I'm not pushing a puny, fear based agenda on everyone like you are. I only speak wisdom and sanity for myself. You are the one who lives in fear of change, poor fag creature.
>>65014578Yeah, I don't understand why so many broke niggas get into guns.
>>65014782>wasting money on garbage is a fear based agendado you work for big kenyanism, faggot? holy shit you are gay and retarded. a fool and his (or in your case they/them) money is easily parted
>>65014780that sounds like the bad lever in high power which is allowed for some fucking reason and you're be retarded for not using it because it's so much better than having to give your rifle a reach around
>>65014787>just waste money
>contrary Ludites ittMost of you don't even own guns, does hating somehing new make you feel cool?
>>65014661>yes, I make assumptions based on my felingsWoman.
>>65015161>buy shit you don't need and complain when other guys don't want to pay for shit they probably don't needyeah, you're a woman alright
>>65010755The shooting experience was bad enough that I couldn't stomach it even as a unique gimmick to play around with, and I replaced it with a cheapo chongnese dotIt does have infinite eye relief, and magically it also lets you target focus, the reticle is essentially at an infinite plane. But using it on a pistol is very challenging because at arm's length the slightest movement puts the triangle tip out of the window, so most of the time you're aiming where you think the triangle terminates, invisibly in open space, or you you are aiming through the yellow background and can't see the target. Both are doable, just not instinctively intuitive or as accurate as a floating dot over nothingIt would probably be pretty good on a rifle where your head is stably locked to the opticIf you want to play with a triangle you can find a used RMR dual illuminated or an old Leupold Deltapoint first gen. Though both those also suck for other reasonsOh also I tried to return the optic a week after I got it but the company said no because it had been mounted lol so now I have another shelf occupier for eternity>>65014350You can get a Swampfox on ebay for like $60
>>65015354>You can get a Swampfox on ebay for like $60red dot or lpvo?
>>65015367Dot, red or green
>>65015354Oh also another problem I just remembered is, you basically have to shoot it in the same lighting as the target, meaning not from shadow and not with different light at the target. If you shoot from shadow not enough light gets into the fiber optic collector and it becomes a brown blob you (I) can barely make out. But in direct sunlight it's extremely easy to pick up the reticle over the blaring neon background. This sucks because 95% of the time I shoot from a covered shooting line into sunlight
>>65015354>so now I have another shelf occupier for eternityMeh, that's fine. I can afford the what, $200 bux to fuck about with it?I spent more on my company mandated safety specs.
>>65015406iirc they do sales periodically, I think I got mine for about $110 on sale, though it looks like base prices went up about $30 since then
>>65015354>It would probably be pretty good on a rifle>probablyso you never tried it like that? why so?if its still on it's rail mount, any chance you can slap it on a stocked gun & see if its any better for us?
>>65015460It's fine, I already have "good" glass, something like this I can toss on the .22's and just fuck about with.I'm sure as fuck not going to put a CompM2/M68 on a 22A. That's just silly.
shame these aren't on Amazon. most gun accessories aren't on amazon because you can just return shit hassle free on amazon and actually try before you buy. it's not a gun thing because fagpul has their better shit that won't get returned on amazon (but not shit that would get returned) and you can buy an acog and a sig romeo 5 off of amazon
>>65015460>base prices went up about $30More like the dollar has gone down since. Wasn't there a wacky sight alignment accessory from Laroue? Some kind of rail mount open sight rail about 6" long? People couldn't stop whining about that, too.
>>65015576they used to be on there, based off of some links i sawa few other sites too, but they seem to have either pulled out or been obscured from other sites with time
>>65015599they probably left amazon due to returns. Amazon fucks companies with returns so I assume they didn't want to pay for returns and didn't want to give amazon a cut
>>65015465All my rifles have magnified optics or other solutions, never had a suitable host. I'd have to go dig out a couple of risers to try it on an AR or something but eh>>65015512That's what I use $60 Swampfoxes for lol>>65015590The C-Note
>>65015632>C-NoteThx. I might add it to a Lima-6 upper, just to hear po fags howl.
>>65014586Is a hot dog a sandwich or a taco?
>>65014571Retard moment. These bizarro fiber optic reflex sights came out decades before modern red dots.
>>65015750>A burrito is a sandwich>an icecream bar is a sandwichYou know a taco is a sandwich.
>>65010755Would this be good or great on a shotgun for pheasant?
>>65017854saw a review of a guy who liked it on a shotgun, so it sounds about right
>>65014571Anon. Anon please tell me why you think LED dots are older than the tech in a SeAll. Please make me understand.
>>65010755If you put a SeesAll on your gun and take it off does it becoma a SawzAll?
>>65018165SeentAll
>>65018260>Once you SeeAll, you can't UnseenAll. I want one, but don't have a gun to put it on. My Rem 597 already hase a cheap scope on it.
>>65017854>>65017956I can't imagine it's that much different than a red dot on a shotgun. I know some people seethe about the window, which is weird because you can ghost it by shooting both eyes open like people do with shotguns anyway. I know some waterfowl shooters apparently use dots and most of the olympic shotgun shooters don't even have beads on their guns and just use a rib >>65017976nta but isn't the seeall just a fiberoptic? gay gun jesus had a vid with old optics and the fiberoptic ones predated the electric ones because batteries used to be gayer
>>65018343I have a piece of weaver I'm not doing anything with on my henry .22. If this was on amazon and I could buy and return it if it didn't fit or sucked I would try it on that
>>65010755Isn't this just an iron sight with a 2" sight radius, or am I not understanding how it works?
>>65018718its basically an iron sight, but its also projected at any distance to your eyeweird shit
>>65018743How does it compare to an iron sight in terms of sight radius, though?
>>65018787apparently its garbage on that front?you still have to properly line up a shot anyway to hit something, so its not as issue for stocked guns as a result
>review says he would rather the reticle illuminated and the rest blacked>otherwise it is just okay
>>65018787it doesnt have any sight raidus.its basically if the gun is lined up you have a sightpicture. ifs its slightly off you cant see shit. theres no forgiveness like a reddot.
>>65018718it's more like a red dot or holosun that uses a projected reticle.
>>65018718Its basically a hybrid of an OEG and a holographic sight. Infinite eye relief, but opaque so shooting with both eyes open works best.
>>65019077it looks like you're supposed to 6 o'clock hold it. the triangle gives you a precise aim point, like an acog chevron, but if you needed to quickly center mass shoot you have a large black area you can just put center mass, like how if you are within 300 meters you're supposed to just put red on the bad guy and shoot with an acog. the chevron/triangle is so you have both a specific aiming point and a large quick dot in one
>>65018628This would be an upgrade on EVERY AK, SKS.
>>65019052>basically if the gun is lined up you have a sightpicture. ifs its slightly off you cant see shit.Okay, then I have absolutely no idea how this thing works. Can you explain it to me?
>>65015400just how much money do you have
>>65019141I don't have an AK or an SKS, I've got a shotgun, a henry and an AR
>>65019167he has never paid for a gun in his life, he just asks if he can have a gun for free, and people just give it to himyou can actually do this with a lot of thingsi've attained over 70 bugatti cars just by doing that
>>65019186You'll get there.
>>65019267Give me a dollar.
>>65018260>SeentAllThe panel would have also allowed "SauntAll".(image unrelated)
>>65019545>$1
>>65019597I have arrived.
>>65019542I doubt it. the chinese and russian sanctions and the fact SKSes dried up means there's no point in getting them. the whole SKS meme was because SKSes and nuggets used to cost the same amount as a 10/22 and they had cheaper ammo than 5.56. neither of those things are true anymore
>>65019156ok its like thissights lined up vs gun tilted wrongyou cant see the front sight through the rear notchif the gun isnt held correctly what you see through the see all is useless. its only going to give you a usable sight picture from a specific angle.
>>65019627The thing with any of those is that when they were cheap, they were a value for the money.Now?Yeah, you'd better be a collector and actually interested in them.
>>65019627>fact SKSes dried up means there's no point in getting themWell of course, you buy what you can afford. And there are far better made rifles then the SkS for less money now. Better materials, better manufacturing, better ammo. Life is just so fucking beautiful, man!
Well, ordered one, we'll see what it's like.I've spent more on dumber things.
>>65020094>I've spent more on dumber things.Come on, anon. What was her name?
>>65019636I mean yeah, I get how iron sights work. But I thought the thing in >>65010757 was just the triangle and lines etched in two planes with a lens to move the focus out to the target. I don't get what's supposed to occlude them if you're not lined up.
>>65020130Kek.I meant gun shit. Like those shitty mags that would go in an ar-18 or ar-15, but were made of some leftover plastic from an aquarium filter.
>>65020261I think it just ends up not being behind the lens if you are off, like how you can lose the dot out of the window
>>65010757That blocks half the threat. How big of a notraining do you have to be not to see the issue there?
>>65010757What kind of gay shit is this? Why not just use irons or normal optic like a non-faggot?
>>65020377pretty much any pistol/ak sight does the same its not an issue
>>65020261It works exactly like a red dot except that it's not red or a dot and you can't see through it.
>>65020377have you never shot a rifle? most rifle sights block half the target. also I can't say that that sight is good but the reticle design is based and solves for the problem>target is far away? use the tip of the triangle and 6 o'clock hold>target is close and you need to shoot now? put triangle on bad gun and pull triggerit's literally the say way an acog works and it's why the army wanted the chevron
>>65020515>boo hoo I don't like new things!>stop liking what I don't like!Here we go again.
>>65022102its not even new, hes just a faggot who can't accept non-standard kit
why not just have a 2-4x scope
>>65022242>why not just have a 2-4x scopeBecause that would look a bit clunky and huge atop a .22 pistol..And I already have an imperial fuckton of scopes.
>>65022242same reason people choose not to have a such, not everything needs to be minmaxedi'm not taking on an entire military with my fungun meant for plinking steel
>>65022242Show me a 2x scope with dimensions similar to 1" x 1.5" x 0.75".
>>65022242>>65022267>>65022362FOR SCIENCE!(yeah, that looks a bit. "Cumbersome".)
>>65022242>>65022267>>65022362 FOR SCIENCE, PART TWO (electro-optical boogaloo)(Okay. Better but still "no".)
>>65022401Kinda neat. But this is why I like the Trij T44.
what's a good set of night sights for a retard who doesnt have any
>>65022426Trijicon.
>>65022426just about any red dot is fine, and like the other anon said, Trijicon is greatmeprolight also has a ton of tritium & fiberoptic sights too, but they're expensive as fuck for what you get
>>65022401>>65022407How are those anywhere fucking close to 1.5" long and 0.75" around?
>>65022583>How are those anywhere fucking close to 1.5" long and 0.75" around?They aren't. But they are in the ballpark of what >>65022242 suggested.I was just confirming my theory posted here>>65022267.
>>65022242I'm assuming it's because who ever is using it wants a 1x solution
>>65022401>>65022407what is the eye relief on those?
>>65023699Considering they're rifle scopes?Very Short.
$140/sled model, right?
>>65027240Which one?The top one is obviously one of those Colt carry handle knockoffs from a while back.The other is supposed to be a clone of the Leupold MkIVCQ/T.An aside, got the email saying my "SeeAll MkII" has been shipped, will take pics when it shows.
>>65027240yeah their Mk3 Pistol Sight, which i'd put on some cheapo RMR picatinny mount myselfi don't care if its tritium, since in daytime it'd look as bright with the fiberoptic anyway (on account of not being a dot/scope)i think i will get it later, but not any time soon as i've gotten a laser for one of my pistols a few days agoi wanna get more curio optics, i barely even have any at all to begin with
