Shitposting aside, it's interesting that Mertz has gone the route of an independent German rearmament which include a national satellite constellation. With the current German Axis with Italy and Le Pen in France - are we looking at an end to European military integration before it even started?

>>65011710
Well when the USA leaves NATO it won't be very good for their military power.

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>>65011718
The US might get even stronger if it loses the ability to project power into the Middle East. It would be like a drunk with a lock on his liquor cabinet.

>>65011710
Realistically the Euros will cut their defense spending once they've modernized their forces and Trump is out of office. The US will welcome it because the last thing we want is an independent power to rival our own. Everyone will forget the orange retard because it's in everyone's interest to do so.

>>65011780
we all hope that's the case, but there are still 3 fucking years left

>>65011725
that might be true but it's easier just to bring covid back to kill all the boomers who like israel

>>65011716
the far right in Italy and France don't really appose military co-operation
they aren't even all that anti-EU any more, they want to change the EU for sure.
but they aren't hell bent on apposing it out of principle.
heck one of the reasons they are doing better in polls and elections is that they have given up their hard stance on the EU because it was scaring of a lot of voters

>>65011725
nah, the drunk will go looking for it's drink no matter what
but it won't get it by beating up some ME twinks, it will have to get it's drink by fighting Xinnie the poo for his honey

>>65011784
Unless he dies, dude's like 80 or so and people tend to just go to bed and never wake up at that age

>>65011809
shame they are all sucking russian cock though

>>65011825
>right wing parties talking with the global backer of all Western contrarian conservative parties
It's like getting mad at a dung beetle for smelling like shit.

>>65011725
LEL

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>>65011821
In'shallah

>>65011809
>the far right in Italy
Don't confuse the clowns like Meloni, Salvini etc as far right. They are just nu-right with zero ideology within their heads, only populism. The far right are clowns like CasaPound etc who don't even reach 3% of the votes and are bitches for hire, with no real political toughts of their own.

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>>65011999
I call them far right because I'm on the far right, I've met and spoken with people in those parties and they are by all accounts far right.
if you want to sperg out about them not being far right enough, you are free to make your own neo-nazi party and run for office.
what I am referring to is those parties moving away from hostility to the EU as their first or second plank of their party platform to one where migration, culture wars and anti-(climate)ecology are dominant
I'd love to have a discussion about that shift and other policies of those parties. or what it truly means to be far right in an objective sense
but simply calling any party that isn't right of Die Heimat as not far right is just retarded in the European context.

>>65011821
Vance is is smarter than Trump but has managed to convince himself into an ideology that thinks sucking at everything is actually pretty rad.

>>65012047
>moving away from hostility to the EU as their first or second plank of their party platform to one where migration, culture wars and anti-(climate)ecology are dominant
I also am happy our right wingers are becoming smarter. The EU is not the problem, the people running the EU are the problem. The same people running our own countries... into the ground. If we rule ourselves again, we will in time rule the eu as well, for a glorious era of european cooperation in the interest of ethnic europeans.

>>65011716
Integration is a nonstarter, noone wants it. Cooperation is going well, it just needs to de-americanize itself.

>>65011780
Not happening. Dunno why everyone thinks they can just wind back the clock.

>>65012161
If russia sees sense (putin dies or something), retreats from ukraine and stops rearming, europe will slash defence funds more or less immediately.

>>65012063
I suspect Vance is going to be Drumpff if he finally realized you don't need to act like a fucking Wrestlemania actor every time you do a conference and then be a bit more consistent. Also he seems to have enough sense to let Rubio fix whatever stupid shit Donnie fucked up this week.

>>65011809
>Italy and France
>Far-right
Accept globohomo and ride the euro extinction, far-right is dead across the globe

>>65011710
Considering that American military policy is shifting towards 'never ending hissy fits' and 'bajillion dollar boots', I think that the future of NATO is probably built around Polish supremacy and compromises with the British and French; and Germany still not sure what the hell it's supposed to be after 1945.

>>65012161
>>65012176
Ideally europe stays strapped and USA mends relations with the rest of NATO and it all results in the west coming out even stronger after all this.

>>65012176
If Russia turns into a normal country then what the fuck does Europe even need a military for?

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>>65011710
mostly dead in the water. US has effectively disengaged and will not honor its commitments. Without its pull west and south euros are also tempted to stay out of it since ultimately they can all hide behind Poland and Ukraine

east and north euros are interesting since they have real skin on the line. When pidorashkas attack the baltic states will be the moment of clarity what will grow out of Nato. Mutual military cooperation and mil industry development perhaps? like a joint nuclear program since nuclear deterrence (under your control) is the only real security guarantee you can have. Core will be ukraine-poland-finland. With baltics, if they survive, as the primary staging ground for testing new tactics, tech and deployments. Supporting members Sweden, Norway, Denmark and maybe (BIG maybe) Germany and UK.

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>>65012259
that is the one thing I can guarantee you 100% will never, ever happen. Outside full military occupation, atomization and reconstruction from the ground up vatnikstan is rotten to the core. Derived from "culture" going back centuries and distilled in Stalins Gulags under the watchful eye of the NKVD. Whos successor are now the rulers and aristocrats of neo-pozzia

>>65011710
Hopefully we throw out the burgers soon/

>>65012259
>secure trade routes
>ensure that the mediterranean and eastern soil absorbs at least as many immigrants as the EU
>fight off chinese westward expansion

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>>65011716
>which include a national satellite constellation.
unless germans have a falcon 9 analogue coming out of the pipes it ain't happening. with the exception if its some limited, handful satellite deployment in geostationary orbits. What regular people really don't seem to understand that breakthroughs like Starlink are possible with the advent of partially and rapidly reusable rockets. That are cheap to launch and can consistently replace sats burning up in low earth orbit which gives them their usable latency

SpaceX still has the lead as only now very early prototypes are being tested. The most "advanced" being Bezos hobby project at blue origin which has a grand total of two launches under its belt. Vs the how many hundreds of F9

>>65012350
I presume by satellite constellation they mean a few spy satellites they can easily be launched by ariane... or spacex itself for that matter. Nothing like starlink lol.

>>65012350
Germany actually operates a number of SAR recon sats.
Not sure what 'a constellation' might mean in this context, but they've booked launches for the SAR sats from SpaceX over the past few years.

Also, SpaceX will have to look into customers for the fuckhuge amounts of upmass they will be able to offer when they get Starship working.

>>65012355
Nobody can launch anything like Starllink, except SpaceX, today.
China will do it in a few years, just to one-up the US. Blue Origin will do the same for Amazon, also in a few years.

Arianespace will develop a reusable rocket, too. I expect Europe to develop some sort of combined sat network, it makes no sense for each individual country to develop this.

>>65011710
All European militaries are out of date and could not fight the Russians. The Bongs and Fr*nch can always be lazy and fall back on nukes but the rest of them can't. And unlike the Israelis and Americans, they don't have a fleet of stealth jets to makes up for having outdated ground forces. They literally need to just copy the Ukrainians and stop pretending they know better - they won't, of course, because even if they admitted it, they won't procure the equipment they need at anything beyond a glacial pace.

>>65012684
>All European militaries are out of date and could not fight the Russians.
actual zigger moment

>>65012161
Because Russia was proven to be a paper tiger so Europe's only reason to increase military spending no longer exists.

>>65012706
>seething Euroid
Ukraine dabs on other Euros all day every day. If you keep refusing to learn this you will eventually be conquered by Russia. Get over yourselves.

>>65012706
Name the Western European country that could sustain the level of attrition Russia or even Ukraine are sustaining for all these years and continue going?
It's true infortunately, maybe you could hide behind Poland for a little while, but you don't have the significant overmatch in the air that the US does in order to stop them entirely, you'd get overwhelmed.

>>65011710
Why does the Spanish flag have a black pine tree? Could you not have found a higher quality image to display its coat of arms correctly?

>>65011780
Americans are retarded cattle and we're in the AI era. it's so completely and utterly over.

>>65011710
It's gonna be real interesting to see what happens when Israel goes after Turkey. Do we kick them out beforehand? Ignore Article 5? Varying coalitions of NATO troops on each side?

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>So what are their military prospects looking like going forward?
Tom Clancy got it right again

>>65011819
When we pull an Iran on China and bomb them back into the stone age in a few weeks and then get bored and fuck off, it will leave the US as once again the world's foremost (and only) industrial and technological power.

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>thread about euro rearmament
>look inside
>stealth zigger thread

>>65011780
Gonna let you in on a secret. You won't believe me, so whatever. Europe and various Asiatic states standing on its own is actually a part of our keikaku. They'll all end up back at each other's throats again and we'll win the game, just like last time.

>>65012775
>start with 'ALL EURO ARMIES'
>move goalpost to 'name one western euro'
You're a snownigger. Europe combined outmatches Russia to such a degree that the ziggers would have to resort to nukes to avoid a repeat of 1917.

>>65012732
Yes, all Europe does is pay. We change slowly. We start building shit slowly.
We prefer to be fat, rich and happy while bickering over nonsense.
Also, don't open any history books. We'd really prefer not to go back to the times before we started being nice.

>>65012292
>webm
That sounds pointless for point precisely like what maga is doing
Peas in a pod

>>65012047
The voters of those parties may be mostly far-right, but the government only enacted policies ranging from koshervative to explicit globalist ethnic subversion.

>>65011710
I'm hoping for a neo-colonial european empire armed to the teeth with nukes and navy to chase amerifats and chinkoids out of africa, which is rightfully in europes sphere of economic interest and priority

>>65011710
NATO disbands in the future due to Europeans and Americans having different goals.

>>65013249
Lmao at the absolute power fantasy
I personally am also hoping for a European space station that launches anti matter nukes like in code geass and an immortal emperor of Europe to whom 10000 American children are sacrificed daily to keep him alive

>>65012259
As a failsafe against an inevitable fact that Russia physically cannot remain normal for extended periods of time. Realistically, at least once or twice per century you'll see some warmongering faggot being propped up there.

>>65012259
Maybe to slap someone's fat, orange hand off of Greenland some time in the future?

>>65011710
Total domination
>Marxist Leninism GONE
>the USSR GONE
>The Warsaw Pact GONE
>Assad GONE
>Gadaffi GONE
>ayatollah khomeini GONE
>Maduro GONE
>Russia (gulag farting and bitching as they vanish and collapse again)
>Cuba (commie tears)
>Nazis GONE
>Imperial Japan GONE
>Saddam GONE
>Bin laden GONE
> ISIS Gone
>slobodan milosevic GONE
>Noriega GONE
>Mussolini GONE
etc etc etc etc

Democracies. Winners every time. Dictatorslop, losers every time

>>65013293
Russia will never be as powerful militarily as it was four years ago or when it was part of the USSR. Russia has lost it's intragenerational armamaments stockpile that was a consequence of soviet beligerence and communist overproduction of mediocre weapons.

27.03.2026
Tanks — 11808 (+1)
Armored fighting vehicle — 24287 (+9)
Artillery systems — 38863 (+68)
MLRS — 1700 (+2)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1337
Planes — 435
Helicopters — 350
UAV — 200611 (+2222)
Cruise missiles — 4491
Ships (boats) — 33
Submarines — 2
Cars and cisterns — 85569 (+217)
Special equipment — 4100
Military personnel — aprx. 1293170 people (+1000)

Russia has lost it's war in Ukraine and is being disarme daily. It would take them 70 years doing nothing but making heavy weapons to get back to where they were in 2022, let alone the USSR at peak strength.

Russia is trooning out, it 'transitioned' from a superpower, to a regional power, to not a power.

>>65011716
Speaking for Czech Republic, we are not buying Leopards but also getting the whole package of maintanance factories and hull manufacturing here ans not in Germany. We also launched out first 100% czech-made defense satellite. The industry is here, not elsewhere. There is no hope for full EU army integration. It will always be many armies that work together.

>>65013320
>It will always be many armies that work together.

Nothing wrong with that. A crops stuctire based on blocks that speak the same language and have the same national flag is perfectly reasonable. All of Europe is on NATO standardisation anyway. Even neutral states are NATO partners and adopted NATO standards.

>>65013322
>corps
sry typo

I guarantee you there's been multiple freak outs of Military Generals and deep state spooks rushing to Trump's office to talk him out of leaving NATO. 2 and a half years to go. What kino will Trump get up to?

>>65011710
Most of them are freeloaders anyway. Most of them have zero experience and can't even remotely project power.

>>65013329
who cares as long as he ends the ayatollahs the've been as much of a curse to the planet as the communnists and other dicators before them

>>65013336
Whatever nonsense. The front line of teh cold war was in Europe and for a generation they had consiption while Americans like you sat licking your arse, Not just that but US defense spending was subsidised by them via the adoption of teh dollar for commody trade during the cold war. America is very little without Europe and Europe is very little without the US. People like you serve the enemies of both the US and European democracies. You're a stupid little man which is why saying stupid things appeals to you.

>>65013336
Places like France have the same power over chunks of Africa has the US has over Latin America, Same for the Balkans. Take a look at a map sometime.

>>65013342
And you're a stupid little country who can't even get ten working tanks together. Your entire doctrine bases on saving enough time until the Marines arrive.

>>65013336
It seems like this is the rational for MAGA nationalism but they always forget that America only won wars with allies. Crazy to think that we're really going to see the decline of the US in our lifetimes because retards got voted into power. They don't even recognise that America built the world around them precisely because of it's buildup of longterm relationships with its allies.

>"You are nothing without us! YOU ARE SMALL!"
>t. eurocuck

>>65013349
Which euro country is able to bomb Iran as we did?

>>65013337
>as long as he ends the ayatollahs
He's literally scrambling for some kind of peace with them that would result in something even the slightest bit different from the pre-existing status quo
And he's being laughed at by the entire global south as all his wonderful deals are rejected and oil prices keeps climbing
I'm sure it was all worth it though to please your bewish masters

>>65013358
Dunno, probably a few and probably a lot more countries would actually be able to provide protection for shipping through the strait. Maybe they could help, maybe they couldn't. But Trump thinks so less of every other country that he didn't even notify them what he was planning to do. He chose to isolate himself (again). Who did Putin get help from in his invasion of Ukraine? NK? Like 2 years into the conflict.

>>65013370
And who helped Ukraine? And who helped Iran?

>>65013349
>America only won wars with allies
They seem to be doing just fine in Iran without any ally

>>65013364
The global south beating the Jewish drum so hard is making me doubt the Jews are half as powerful as they want, frankly.

>>65013376
All of europe and the US until they decided not to
>>65013389
lol, yeah Iran is begging trump for a ceasefire for the past 3 weeks!

>>65013419
Trump may be a garbage tier moron, but let's not pretend that Iran is some bushido-driven elite megarace. That's just stupid.

>>65013428
Yeah long term Iran is fucked. the US and Israel are going to bomb them back to the stone age. No doubt about that. But let's be honest, Trump has started a worldwide economic crisis with little opportunity to benefit from it or get out of it. He's strained an already crazy amount on every single one of his allies. I get you probably don't care about that but in 10/20/30/40 years etc Americans will know why people turned their backs on them.

>>65013437
Are you kidding? The world changes so rapidly that there will be a completely different political landscape in just 10 years, nevermind 20 or 30.
Also, "fall of America in 10 years", is so much a thirdie cope that I just cannot take you seriously.

>>65013452
America is never going to fall but the political elite of every single country is not going to trust America for a very long time. You really think there won't be a massive shift of policy and thinking after Trump has made it so clear that he cares about nobody but America?

>>65012047
>migration, culture wars and anti-(climate)ecology are dominant
Yeah, on paper, but every single "far right" party you mentioned is nothing of those thing. Meloni and company signed for the biggest mass migration plan per year in Italian recent history, 500k unskilled jeets and africans to be let in annually. Even our fucking kike led leftists parties had proposed harsher immigration laws. (not to mention the law that allows for 70% of legal african immigration here was made by a far right party on the pretense of family reunification for niggers)
Culture? What culture when they don't have any in the first place and act like slimy white trash? Their "anticlimate" ideology is to simply allow as much pollution as they can and remove all limits to illegal dumping in acquifers of PFAS and other cancer causing chemicals as long as those industries pay the current politician.
I don't ask them to be Adolf Hitler to be considered "far right", nor I would want such a party as fascists and nazis are the same subhuman retarded scum as commies, but when I see someone larp as a fascio it would be common courtesy to at least pretend to raise their arm a bit, no?

>>65013457
You think Trump is the last word in political thought? The end of history is a singularly "global south" concept and you expose yourself by reveling in it.
The fact of the matter is that Europe will, at some point, need something from the US and we'll likely be more accommodating to try to build trust back up post-Trump.
I'm old enough to remember when Dubya was supposed to decouple Europe from America for good.

>>65012063
>Vance is is smarter than Trump but has managed to convince himself into an ideology
I don't think we've ever seen his true thoughts on anything.
We've seen him do and say whatever is required to get to where he is and stay there.

>>65011780
the euros will never cut defence spending while Russia continues to exist

>>65013476
European governments would be stupid to put up with America threatening to annex Greenland once every 2 or 3 presidents. It's obvious that it's not just Trump, but the American deep state, that wants to keep European countries as a vassal in its empire. Whether American presidents put up a "polite" front to Europe or not is irrelevant.

>>65013498
>every 2 or 3 presidents
I see now we're outright writing fanfiction. Trump being a retard is not indicative of some kind of trend. Or should we preemptively bomb Germany in the event that they decide to get another Hitler in a couple leaders or so?

>>65013506
>Trump being a retard is not indicative of some kind of trend.
Trump almost never announces policy decisions by himself, he's a shitty businessman. He's just a puppet that conveys the policies of the last person that spoke to him, that includes annexing Greenland. The US military complex wants to annex Greenland, it says Danish control of Greenland as a liability for America.

>>65013526
>says
*sees

>>65013526
>puppet
No? He's almost entirely focused on his own desires and has surrounded himself by sycophants. He's surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear.
>MIC fearmongering
Yet another indication of you being a thirdie. You seem to think that no one has their own agency and that magical "groups" you can't even identify the members of control everything.
You should try to D&C elsewhere.

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>>65013539
>You seem to think that no one has their own agency and that magical "groups" you can't even identify the members of control everything.
Look up what bribery is

>>65013506
>Trump being a retard is not indicative of some kind of trend
I would say this after his first term. But he won again in 2024. MAGA and Trumpism is here to stay for the foreseeable future. A large amount of Americans support his actions. Come on bro, the tariffs, maduro, iran, the tweets, the outright hatred of NATO. People will not forget these things. You do know that nobody believed the CIA and Biden when he was screaming for a year that Ukraine was going to be invaded? It wasn't just because people thought Putin would be crazy to do it. The lies about the Iraq war lead to a shitload of problems for Europe that made them resent America.

>>65013567
So is it the MIC, or is it Israel? You're falling all over yourself, guy. Look, just pack it in. The Ayatollah is dead and you're probably an adult. He's not going to fuck you.

>>65013572
>So is it the MIC, or is it Israel?
It's both. The MIC is making bank replacing the munitions used in Israel's war against Iran.
>The Ayatollah is dead
good riddance

>>65013526
>Danish control of Greenland as a liability for America.
And it is. The danes wouldn't be able to protects themselves on their own, not to mention some gigantic island 10000 kms away. Another clown show was the EU sending literally a dozen soldiers in order to show some "unity" and "force".

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>>65012259
>If Russia turns into a normal country

>>65013312
*republics

>>65013495
You have done exactly that for the past 30 years, and with your populace aging like crazy and with zero domestic political interest in rolling back your hilariously unsustainable benefits for the elderly, your cash-strapped governments will absolutely roll back military spending the very instant they feel they are able to.

>>65011710
Better than ever, actually. Just kick Hungary out.

>>65013601
Of those 30 years, Russia was a desolate shithole for the first 10, pretended to be a normal trade partner for another five and spiralled down back to pseudo-Soviet fascism over the last 15.
And spent shitloads of money to disrupt any process in Europe to form up against them in grey/hybrid warfare efforts.

>>65013642
Hungary might solve it's Putin-related tinpot dictator problems, they've started nooooticing that Orban and friends are just robbing the country blind.

>>65013584
>The danes wouldn't be able to protects themselves on their own, not to mention some gigantic island 10000 kms away
Protect it from who?

>>65013601
kremlinoids actually be;lieve this shit. Europes native population has completely recovered from ww1 and ww2 and doubled in most nations over the last 100 years. Russias is smaller than it was just before ww1. The absolute vomit you kremlin mullah nucommie dicatorsloppa quislings shit out.

>>65013584
>The danes wouldn't be able to protects themselves on their own, not to mention some gigantic island 10000 kms away.


https://www.reuters.com/world/denmarks-joint-arctic-command-evacuates-us-submarine-crew-member-greenlandic-2026-02-21/

Denmark's Joint Arctic Command evacuates US submarine crew member in Greenlandic waters
By Reuters
February 21, 20269:49 PM GMTUpdated February 21, 2026
NUUK, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Denmark's Joint Arctic Command said on Saturday it had evacuated a crew member who required urgent medical treatment from a U.S. submarine in Greenlandic waters, seven nautical miles outside of Greenland's capital Nuuk.
The crew member has been transferred to the Greenlandic health authorities and the hospital in Nuuk, the Joint Arctic Command said in a statement.

The evacuation was carried out using the Danish Defence Seahawk helicopter, it added.


Reality. Kemlinloids and maga kremlin piss brained nucommies don't like reality.

>>65013601
>benefits for the elderly
do you just eat them in russia or leave them to scavage in bins like the subhuman dictatorsloppa you are ?

>>65013597
A republic is a type of democratic government, anon. No, it's not a direct democracy, which is why you vote for representatives.

>>65013364
I don't think the global south is laughing anymore

>>65013498
>Greenland
Was literally nothing. It's already forgotten.

>>65011780
See this why Trump treats you guys with contempt. Europoors won't even attempt to be equal partners and are content to be opinionated vassals.

>>65013804
No one in Europe has forgotten about that.

>>65013808
Then Europeans are stupid, something I already knew.

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>>65013815
>you're stupid for not forgetting me openly trying to fuck you over
Picrel, a very smart man.

>>65013729
Wow the Danes defended Greenland from that American submarine between it and Russia? Wow what a powerful defense they mounted.

>>65013815
the absolute gall of amerisharts
you're acting like a woman. If you start shit, own up to it

>>65013805
No, it's exactly the other way around. Europeans try to be accommodating allies, while retards like Trump keep acting like the whole continent is a group of insubordinate vassal states that beed to punished, when they aren't vassals nor hostile to the US until US started fucking them over.

>>65013827
I'm sorry, but it wasn't some pivotal watershed moment. It was a pointless diplomatic spat over nothing that was moved on from almost immediately. If you think of it as something more, you're an idiot.

>>65013836
Magatards are exactly like vatniggers. They only understand power and subordination. They cannot understand bilateral relationships based on common goals and mutual respect.

>>65013844
I like the term Fatniks personally

>>65013844
All that mutual respect from the common goal of us paying for all your defense for decades with almost nothing in return.

>>65013858
sharts "paid" for access to secret torture sites, logistics bases and freedom from prosecution when their soldiers inevitably rape or murder locals and in return started endless middle-eastern shitshows that flood the continent with murderous islamists

>>65013808
>>65013815
>>65013843
>words have no meaning and carry no weight
>ESPECIALLY words of the President of the United States, the executive branch of a nuclear power
Yes yes I know that you have no concept of honor, morality, responsibility, or trust. No need to state that. I will now proceed to ignore anything else you say, since you're gonna pivot to "haha you got trolled, I was only pretending to be retarded" equivalents in the next posts anyway.

>>65013852
I like it, consider it stolen.

>>65013852
>>65013875
I'd personally favour "Unistanians".

>>65013873
You're doing the European thing where you try to make the entire discussion about the one thing that the other side might concede on and then use that to declare victory. I'm not playing this game. The Greenland thing was nothing. Pretending that it was is a demonstration of failure to understand context and how the US government actually works.

>>65013881
>you're doing the European thing where you stay on topic and argue logically instead of my retarded dialogue tree where I pretend I was trolling if called out on my stupidity

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>>65013881
>Pretending that it was is a demonstration of failure to understand context and how the US government actually works.
We're in a situation where we know the President can command an invasion and Congress and the Senate won't do shit about it, as they never do.
It's also specifically in a situation where they could achieve their sensible political and economic objectives without threatening invasion, mind.

>>65013836
We don't want you to be "accommodating", we want you to stand on your own as actual partners on the world stage. You are content to be dependent on the US and whine when that dependence is used against you for the US's gain. I hope the next President abuses you even worse until you figure it out.

>>65013836
>accommodating allies
yeah, the second the US wants to increase it's trade balance after decades of deficits that all went abroad everyone throws a hissyfit how the Americans dare to not be the good little customer they are supposed to be.
And at the same time they go do backroom type deals to fuck with Americans basic constitutional rights. Don't deny it, you might get away with insulting Trump on here but you know you'd go to prison if you raised your voice against your own government.

>inb4 .mil spending: 1. It's included in the trade balance. 2. It dwarves imports

There's always gonna be friction because no country has 100% equal interests to each other. That is just a feature of any alliance. What has changed is that the supposed values we once shared are no longer shared. You believe in globohomo stakeholder governance, while over here there as least some resistance to destroying the republic in favor of whatever that looks like.

And for how stupid do you take me? I remember what your papers wrote on day one of Trump's inauguration. I see what your state tv broadcasts every day. The contempt Europeans have for the US is visceral and visible for everyone to see.

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>>65013346
>>65013351
>>65013358
>>65013376
>>65013389
I am so sick of chestbeating MAGA retards.
>let's alienate all of Europe because ... because being alone is much better!!

frogs should just "give" (sell but just make some fig leaf of how it's totally not a sale) the easterners and northerners a few ooks each:
- they could get a LOT of brownie points from those countries, which can be turned into a bunch of money (france is broke af)
- this makes all the moscow-paid far rightoids and commie leftoids less relevant politically, because what use is there agitating for "russia is actually friendly we should disarm" when pooland or binland can nuke ziggers if they get too cute
- US is untrustworthy so it's irrelevant what they think, and the rest of the world can pound sand since we're past law-based international order anyway
- they don't actually need ICBMs, so all the halfway around the world countries wouldn't -truly- care anyway
- there is a low but non zero chance that pooland would just straight up nuke moscow for no reason, which would be extremely funny
Keeping ziggers honest frees up a bunch of resources to be spent in better ways (yurop doesn't need 6 million tanks, get yourself a starlink clone and a homegrown non-shit plane instead).
>b-but muh global proliferation muh mad
that ship has sailed, bucko

>>65013912
>argue logically
Got laugh out of me.

>>65013917
>President can command an invasion
When did this happen?

>>65013963
>autist can't understand why people would rather be alone than hang out with him
You would think Germany would figure it out eventually

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>>65013952
>we want you to stand on your own as actual partners on the world stage.
Good. We are in the process of doing that. We told you to fuck off with your new sand special military expedition.
Turns out you didn't like it and threw a child's tantrum about it.
Eh.

>vassals getting uppity again
sigh

>>65013952
>we want you to stand on your own
This is cope because the President has openly threatened to annex European territory and to not honor Article 5 should it come to it. Europe is becoming independent as a result of the US being an unreliable ally, not because the US is somehow trying to improve Europe. Don't mistake yourselves for honorable allies that simply want everyone to be better.

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>>65011710
>So what are their military prospects looking like going forward?
>Tom Clancy got it right again
>Calls NATO a paper tiger for not helping Israel by joining a war He started
>Begging China for help because Trump fucked over the UK and NATO yet he framed the Iran war as an anti-China measure
>His voters are still defending Trump sperging over Greenland that cost him NATO support
>Say America is winning yet complaining no one came to the US's rescue in Iran at the same time
>Backstabbed Ukraine yet demands Ukraine help him in Iran
>Disarming Ukraine and South Korea in favor of Israel
How much long-term damage did Trump do to both the US reputation and NATO? Not to mention the GOP.

>>65014004
You sound remarkably brown, friend
why is iran the gay bear anyway? I thought that's russia

>>65013960
>And for how stupid do you take me?
Anon, everyone outside your cult considers you to be breathtakingly retarded.
>The contempt Europeans have for the US is visceral and visible for everyone to see.
No, just the ones with the red hats. You are exactly like Russians.

>>65014004
Is that a Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees edit? The fuck?

>>65012350

I guess we will have to wait and see, now that there's a lot of military money moving around...

>Isar Aerospace: Based near Munich, this company is developing the Spectrum rocket, a two-stage vehicle designed to launch 1,000 kg into low Earth orbit. They are considered one of the most well-financed European alternatives to SpaceX. They conducted a first orbital launch attempt in March 2025.

>Rocket Factory Augsburg (RFA): RFA aims to offer significantly cheaper launch services—around $3 million per launch—which is three-to-four times lower than current competitors. They plan to use inexpensive, industrial-grade components to reduce costs.

>>65014011
>You sound remarkably brown, friend
>Supports Trump disarming a white country
KEK INB4 MAGA said Ukraine not white.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/europe/ukraine-zelensky-missile-shortage-russia-iran-war-b2941529.html

>>65014022
DC Comics had a gay crossover comic called DC KO. Lex Luthor lost to a bear and Superman lost to Homelander from The Boys. It’s a tournament arc story that didn’t show clear-cut winners and ends with Absolute Batman getting giant with magic to fight regular Batman.

>>65014025
Yurop has a lot of space shit semi-startups (weird, almost bespoke financing, some industrial some governmental some private) but they just aren't big enough and won't be able to scale. Euros fundamentally aren't doing one thing that makes sense because national interest > european interest, and this won't change unless they federalize and it seems very unlikely that they will anytime soon, if ever.
>>65014028
shouldn't you be glad that trump shits on your enemy?

>>65013871
You could always, you know, don't let them in

>>65014035
That's kind of dope in a very retarded sort of way. I dig it.

>>65013960
>you know you'd go to prison if you raised your voice against your own government.
First of all no, I won't go to prison for raising my voice against the government, second of all it's ironic that some Amerifat says this when protesting against the government gets you put to a domestic terrorist list which is managed by a private corporation. You're gonna whine that it's based and just because they're leftists and the irony will be completely lost on you.

>The contempt Europeans have for the US is visceral and visible for everyone to see.
Pot calling kettle black lol
You sound like a bitch, whining about some "grievance" you've gotten imprinted in your head by the media landscape you're inmersed in.

>>65014036
>shouldn't you be glad that trump shits on your enemy?
>MAGA retard has zero justification for Trump disarming Ukraine

>>65014002
>Europe is becoming independent as a result of the US being an unreliable ally
No it's because the US is less interested in being deeply involved in Europe. How did everyone forget the abortive "pivot to Asia" 15 years ago?

>>65014049
>No it's because the US is less interested in being deeply involved in Europe.
Yes, what I said: an unreliable ally.
> How did everyone forget the abortive "pivot to Asia"
The Asia that Trump just removed defenses from? Let's face it, the retard is going to hand Taiwan to the Chinese without a fight, just like we said he would do to Ukraine while you retards denied this was the case.

>>65014044
>when protesting against the government gets you put to a domestic terrorist list
Is that what your state media told you?

>>65014068
No, I got it from grassroots American sources, not mainstream media, and not my state media. You could say I did my own research.

>>65014061
>your strategic priorities aren't what we tell you they should be
>this makes you bad
Fucking europeans

>>65014072
Sure

>>65013998
You refused to engage with a regional conflict despite it having far reaching consequences for your economies. You know if the US mucks this up it will hurt you far more than the US? What is the EU's plan if Gulf oil turns off, other than buy from America who you just thumbed your nose at.
>>65014002
You are not allies. You are weak vassals who can be freely abused. Look at Greenland we treated the EU like shit and bullied Denmark into giving us what we want. You couldn't even muster an actual military response just theater to try and save face. Please for the love of God prove me wrong.

>>65014073
>moving the goalposts again
We said he would abandon Ukraine. Your crowd said he wouldn't, and now you say that he had different priorities.
You tried to use Pivot to Asia as an excuse, when he is also retreating from Asia. It seems the US has no rational or comprehensible foreign policy priorities other than those that personally benefit the President. You are just too stupid to think there's anything wrong with that.

>>65014049
>Pivots for Israel instead
lmao

>>65014078
>You are not allies. You are weak vassals who can be freely abused.
As I said previously, MIGAtards are just vatniggers with a stupid hat. I'm American, by the way. I will be voting Democrat.

>>65014081
The pivot to Asia speech was in 2010, you absolute moron.

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>Sent 15 guys with a pair of skis to some sauna in Nuuk
>Was enough for a pathetic TACO
Yep, that's efficiency at play.

>>65014078
Okay, we as your vassals will exercise our sovereignty and deal with Ukraine, another regional war. It's tying up our meager resources. Get back to us when you can offer something in return to joining your annual sandbox chimp out :^)

>>65014078
>and bullied Denmark into giving us what we want.
I'm not sure what you got out of it at all though? Other than international embarrassment, that is.

And don't say military bases, because the Us closed the ones they had, but still retains the right to open them up again, making the whole invasion talk completely pointless.

>>65014089
>The pivot to Asia speech
So why bring it up?

>>65014100
Trump wants to be seen as some sort of conqueror, when he's an obese homo from New York. This is why he says dumb shit like
>I do believe I'll be the honor of - having the honor of taking Cuba. That'd be a good honor. That's a big honor.

>>65014101
Because it demonstrates broader trends in US policy which affect Europe. Holy fuck, are you retarded?

>>65014104
>Because it demonstrates broader trends in US policy which affect Europe.
The Pivot to Asia speech was mainly about leaving the Middle East, not Europe. So why bring it up?

>>65013719
Trump's needling of NATO is because the other team is waking up and starting to make plays. If China, or more likely a coalition led by China, makes a play for Greenland because the northern passage opens up what is the European arm of NATO going to do? America sure as fuck ain't driving past a fortified Island to go pick up Europe's army and bring it to back the war. The west has been resting on its laurels, they need to secure shipping lanes and resources for the coming struggles. Actions like Venezuela and Iran can push it off but the response will need to be more than what anyone has done for Ukraine if NATO wants to win in the future.

>>65011780
It may slowdown when the retards from the east start licking their wounds. Then it will restart when the retards from the east start invading nations again.

>>65014107
Because it was a declaration of where US policy was going to shift going forward. Europe was not going to be as high of a priority for the United States as it had been. European leaders griped about it at the time for this reason.

>>65014111
>a coalition led by China
>makes a play for Greenland
Do the Chinese move through the Bering strait and along the Russian coast? If yes, how many icebreakers will Russia have to clear the way?
Do they go around Africa?
Maybe around South America?

>>65014061
Imagine if China tried to invade Taiwan right now, when it's been exposed that their radars don't work, their stealth fighters don't work, they're cut off from their oil supply, they only introduced SAMs better than 1970s tech last year and barely have any of them, and they've barely had time to settle in their new military leadership after the previous brass were all purged. It's almost like those air defenses aren't needed there right now. Remember, even if the US had zero THAAD interceptors in the whole world, we still wouldn't have less than China.

>>65014118
>Europe was not going to be as high of a priority for the United States
That wasn't part of the speech. You are making this up to excuse a retard.
> European leaders griped about it at the time for this reason.
No, the opposite is true. They crafted their own strategy and the UK, France, and Germany started working on deploying assets and decoupling their trade relationships from China. You're, again, lying to make excuses for a retard.

>>65014107
Yeah looks like you're pivoting right back into the forever war in the ME.

>>65014078
>What is the EU's plan if Gulf oil turns off
that's about 1/5 of Europe's fossil fuel imports, or about what they used to import from the russians.
so if it gets dire enough just turn on that tap again.
but they are the second richest region in the world so while more expensive hydrocarbons will be painful they are the second best at absorbing it.
in the short term they could start up production in some of the gas they turned off for environmental reasons. that would cover about a third of their gas needs.
the north sea gas and oil platforms have about 10% slack they could take out by deferring maintenance ect.
there's also a lot of coal they aren't mining but could be mining and could start up in some cases in weeks.
medium term it's things like getting Marokko and Algeria to stfu and let them double the pipeline capacity already
further shift into renewables
cutting a deal with the Turks over pipelines
building more infrastructure in africa to buy more from them

the good part for them is that they have already been diversifying their hydrocarbon sources. and they don't have any major elections coming up so it won't destabilize them politically.
Trump on the other hand has the midterms coming up and that's about when the full weight of inflation caused by this will hit

>>65014129
>Yeah looks like you're pivoting right back into the forever war in the ME.
We are, anon, so this idea that the US has "better things to do" is cope by retards who really just want to act like Russians but pretend they themselves are not equally subhuman.

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>>65014111
>If China, or more likely a coalition led by China, makes a play for Greenland because the northern passage opens up what is the European arm of NATO going to do?
Same thing we always did - defend ourselves against Russia, which totally controls access from the Chinese side?

>>65014111
We could hard stop that by undoing climate change, funnily enough. They say that the best wars are the ones you win without fighting, too.

>>65014130
>the full weight of inflation caused by this will hit
Remember that he's nominating a new chair for the Fed, and he's chosen another yes-man to lower interest rates, virtually guaranteeing more inflation, in spite of net-zero job growth in 2025 and inflation still high. Bro, we are going to go into WW3 broke and retarded.

>>65014125
If the priority is Asia-Pacific, that means Euro-Atlantic is not the priority
>They crafted their own strategy
In response to the United States electing to move its focus there after a period of anxiety over the United States signaling away from making Europe its top foreign policy arena, as it had for the past 100 years.

>>65014152
>If the priority is Asia-Pacific, that means Euro-Atlantic is not the priority
Yes, but the main priority was the Middle East at the time, not Europe either. That doesn't mean Europe didn't matter, or that we were thinking of abandoning Europe. You see how you just lie? Trump is attempting to abandon Europe and we know this because he has threatened to invade allied territory. You're a moron that thinks you can fool everyone if you just convince yourself.
>In response to the United States electing to move its focus there
Yes, because we're allies, and the Europeans joined us in the move. Pretty excellent stuff.
>period of anxiety over the United States signaling away from making Europe its top foreign policy arena
This didn't happen, because Europe was not the top foreign policy agenda in those past 20 years, the Middle East and Africa were. You're lying again.

>>65014111
annon you do know that Europe has a bigger combined navy than china has and will have for at least half a decade.
a chinese navy made to invade taiwan and then contest it's waters
nearly all the chinese fleet doesn't have to range to reach Greenland from a russian port and they don't have the fuel ships to get them there never mind keep them there.
while also operating in far harsher waters than they are used to, with ships nor designed for operations in the arctic
unironically the Europeans could just let the chinks freeze themselves to death op there
or just wait until the chink fleet needs to head back to port for supplies and maintenance
or you know just sink it while it's in one of the few ports it could base out of or just on the open sea

>>65014148
the US is never broke but always retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

>>65014136
They don't need to take Europe, they would just take Greenland and Europe would either have to funnel all its troops through Ukraine (hint), pretend they never wanted it anyways or sit impotently on the mainland. Global control is about shipping lanes and spheres of influence not borders.
>undoing climate change
By strangling Swedes? Or do you mean the West is going to stop China and India from producing more carbon than anyone in Europe or America by stupid orders of magnitude?

>>65014178
nigger have you looked at a fucking map?
how the fuck would you need to go trough Ukraine to get to Greenland

>>65014163
>Trump is attempting to abandon Europe
Didn't happen. What is happening is a broader trend of the US engaging less with Europe as it sees Asia-Pacific as more important to its interests, along with the ensuing European freakout over it. The fact that you and many other Europeans can't figure this out and want to make it about one guy makes you a bunch of total morons.
>Middle East
The United States maintained a Europe first approach through the first part of the 21st century. It's just that 9/11 happened.

>>65014185
>Didn't happen
The retard has openly said that he may not honor Article 5 provisions and has threatened to invade allied territory. This is a hostile act.
>What is happening is a broader trend of the US engaging less with Europe as it sees Asia-Pacific as more important to its interests
This is a lie, as the Trump admin has pulled assets from the Pacific and has refused to say they would defend Taiwan right after the Japanese said they would.
>it. The fact that you and many other Europeans
I'm American. I'm just not retarded like you.
>The United States maintained a Europe first approach through the first part of the 21st century. It's just that 9/11 happened.
We are in the first part of the 21st century and 9/11 happened in 2001, you fucking retard.

>>65014130
Okay so you can abandon Ukraine and start buying Russian gas again, very funny paired with >>65014099. Just tank the economic hits despite multiple of your member states economies being smaller and in worse shape than the poorest US states. Try to roll back regulations, lol said the eurocrat lmao. Neglect proper maintenance and push established system even harder, a tried and true long term solution. And finally mine coal to make up the difference, which you are already doing merkal.
You really have no plan but to hope a pro-EU faction takes control of the US and saves you.

>>65014111
>Trump's needling of NATO is because the other team is waking up and starting to make plays. If China, or more likely a coalition led by China, makes a play for Greenland because the northern passage opens up what is the European arm of NATO going to do?
Trump is begging China for help because he fucked over NATO you dumb fuck.

>>65014178
Once again, that presupposes that the Passage is stable, that the Russians would bow to the Chinese and that the Chinese have the means to travel all the way around the strait and put and maintain a landing force on Greenland.
They'd also have to get Norway to side with them, and probably Great Britain too, just to keep the Euros properly boxed in.

>>65014136
Russia couldn't win against Ukraine, where they just had to walk across the border.
The idea that China, or Russia, could move a serious force to Greenland is ridiculous.

>>65014204
>Trump
>Trump
I keep telling you it's a bigger, broader trend than him. Making it about some madman crashing everything is retarded and completely misses the context of how we even got here in the first place. Having spoken to many Europeans about this, I realize they have some difficulty with this, so I shouldn't be too surprised they're still struggling, despite discussions of strategic realignment being mainstream for decades now.
>We are in the first part of the 21st century and 9/11 happened in 2001, you fucking retard.
We're pretty deep into the 21st century at this point, but that's not important. What is important is that they United States maintained a Europe first approach until the present. It hasn't even truly pivoted away yet. This includes periods where there were wars the United States was involved in, including draft wars.

>>65014219
NATO would benefit from Iran no longer having control of the strait. They just don't want to be seen helping the orange man for political reasons.

>>65014220
>the Passage is stable
It is passaable for a few month in summer, most years. So China might have to go home by september each year.
>that the Russians would bow to the Chinese
They may not havea choice in five years or so.
>and that the Chinese have the means to travel all the way around the strait and put and maintain a landing force on Greenland.
China could theroretically build this force in a few years, but why would they do this when their main prize (Siberia) is just there for the taking?
>They'd also have to get Norway to side with them, and probably Great Britain too, just to keep the Euros properly boxed in.
Both are not going to happen. Not now, not in a hundred years.

The entire idea of 'China goes to Greenland' is HoI4-tier retardation.

>>65014217
>US about to crash the global economy causing a global recession
>here's how the EU can mitigate some of that
>lol the Eu can't just ignore a global recession how weak are you
please explain how the US is going to ignore the global recession it seems poised to create

>>65014228
>I keep telling you it's a bigger, broader trend than him
No, it isn't. This retardation is strictly due to him and his followers.
>Making it about some madman crashing everything is retarded and completely misses the context of how we even got here in the first place.
We can all see how we got here. This isn't a continuation of Obama, Biden, or Bush policies. It's just one retard.
>Having spoken to many Europeans about this, I realize they have some difficulty with this, so I shouldn't be too surprised they're still struggling, despite discussions of strategic realignment being mainstream for decades now.
Nobody has a difficulty with strategic repositioning. They have a difficulty with a retard that openly threatens them, breaks up trade deals that serve to hold alliances together, and starts wars without telling anyone, only to bitch and moan that nobody he's fucking over is helping him.
>We're pretty deep into the 21st century at this point,
00-30 early
30-60 mid
60-90 late
> but that's not important
Well it is for your claim. Fucking less than two years into the 21st century.
>What is important is that they United States maintained a Europe first approach until the present.
Because the USSR was there, yes.
>It hasn't even truly pivoted away yet.
It has. The alliance is functionally dead.

China will have a hard time getting to Greenland when the US steps in to manage the balkanization of Russia and accidentally ends up with both control of the Arctic and a land border with China.

>>65014233
>NATO would benefit from Iran no longer having control of the strait. They just don't want to be seen helping the orange man for political reasons.
Iran was isolated until Trump started a war for his Israeli master you retarded cunt.

>>65014233
it isn't an issue for NATO
while Iran not being a theocracy would be preferable for Europe
it also isn't something they'd lose sleep over
in general nobody but some socialist faggots don't care about the US and Israel bombing Iran. they care that Iran is closing down the straight over it

>>65011710
hard to say.
>>65013963
same. I dream of a world where antlanticist world stomps on the face of the various third-world niggers, forever, and these fags are jeopardizing it because of some ai-generated meme some jeet squeezed out told them it was gay.

>>65013322
It wouldn't work due to a loss of scale advantages and a duplication of some assets while others are lost.

For this to work you need at least one big European country to just agree that it's going to provide all the logistics for every operation. Even those that go against it's interests.

>>65014241
Ideally by not causing one. Secondly by actually doing the things you listed since we have more resources and stronger economy. I'm mocking you not because what you said was stupid, rather the idea Europe is any position to do any of that. You're doing the economic equivalent of ziggers talking about how they could be at the Rhine in 3 days right before 2022.

>>65014261
>various third-world niggers
It's time to accept that MIGAs are third-worlders in mind and spirit and so is their President. It's functionally indistinguishable from the retarded politics of Africa or Latin-America.

>>65014130
The funny thing is that Europe doesn't have to buy Russian anything.

If this persists, Venezuelan (and Guyanan) production will actually start flowing, and the legal situation in the US will mean that shipping this stuff from Venezuala to Texas to Europe will be cheaper than shipping it from Texas to the US West coast.

Also, the Gulf states will equally be forced to counter whatever Iran is doing, just to ensure their own economic survival.

>>65014267
you seem to be under the illusion that the US is in a fundamentally better position than the EU
nearly all GDP growth in the US in the past 4 years has been AI based
AI that keeps bleeding capital and needs constant new capital to not burst ti's bubble
guess what happens when a global recession hit's?
guess what happens to the US housing bubble right after that
but I'd expect nothing less from someone that throws shade on Europe for being only the second richest continent

>>65014293
These "people" believe that American hegemony is a law of nature just like gravity. They don't understand that they live in the most prosperous country on earth specifically because of the hard work of generations of Americans before them and a careful cultivation of alliances and economic ties in a post-war world. When the chickens come home to roost, they will claim that they were against this the whole time.

>>65014293
What growth has the EU seen? What industries are growing actively in the EU? Do you think fake growth or no growth is better going into a global recession?

>>65014277
yea buying russian is the final "holy shit everything else is fucked" option for them
in the mean time some of the investments they've been making sure they get to diversify their energy portfolio. LNG from Brazil, the very recent trade deal with Australia ect.
Europe will muddle trough, the US will see the AI and housing bubbles burst, the rest of the world is pretty much fucked

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>>65014300
It's crazy how honest you can be when talking about some one else.

>>65014244
>This isn't a continuation of Obama, Biden, or Bush policies. It's just one retard.
Demonstrably false. Obama even ran on "populist" and "trumpian" policies like attempting to reshore manufacturing and had a harsher rhetoric on illegal immigration than people remember. Biden went even harder that Obama or Trump 1 on the reshoring front. Obama was the one who first started to shift US strategic priorities out of Europe, as we've discussed.
>Well it is for your claim.
It's not. The US maintained a Europe first stance during the War on Terror, just like it did during Korea, Vietnam, all of the Cold War nonsense in Middle East, and its interventions in Latin America.
>The alliance is functionally dead.
Lol. It's been through worse.

>>65014293
>you seem to be under the illusion that the US is in a fundamentally better position than the EU
It is?

>>65014303
EU growth is lower than the US's. No one is denying that. I'm just pointing out that a lot of that US growth is due to it inflating two bubbles at the same time.
that's great as long as the global economy is going strong and there's plenty of capital to blow those up.
but now with the US poised to cause a global recession those would pop. the US was hit hard by the 2008 housing bubble now double that.
bubbles don't last

>>65014312
>Obama even ran on "populist" and "trumpian" policies like attempting to reshore manufacturing
No, he promoted advanced manufacturing technologies, as in complex shit with simple inputs from abroad, not making fucking steel. That's retarded.
>harsher rhetoric on illegal immigration than people remember
Nobody is for illegal immigration. I don't know why that's only a surprise for you.
>Biden went even harder that Obama or Trump 1 on the reshoring front.
With the chips act, which Trump promptly ruined.
>Obama was the one who first started to shift US strategic priorities out of Europe,
You keep lying about this. This was about a focus away from the Middle East, not Europe.
>It's not. The US maintained a Europe first stance during the War on Terror,
Obviously not, since we shifted away from large formations to account for COIN operations.
>Lol. It's been through worse.
No US President has ever threatened to invade allies, to abandon them if they were invaded, and to actively support their enemies. It hasn't, and you are coping.

>>65014321
Ads "economy" bubble is popping as we speak. And it won't be pretty.

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>>65014167
>while also operating in far harsher waters than they are used to, with ships nor designed for operations in the arctic
Can you imagine the Chinese PLAN in the North Sea?
They'd lose half their flotilla to waves before ever facing an enemy.

>>65014251
Iran has always been a threat to the strait.

>>65014321
I know what you're pointing out. It's just stupid like bragging that your neighbor's second car is gonna get repo'd when you can't afford to get yours fixed.

>>65014345
what you are doing is laughing that the neighbors can only afford a big fat BMW while you've got a lambo

>>65014349
Nigger do you think the US or EU economies are a bmw or lambo? The US is a Tesla whose batteries are going and the EU is fiat that some Nigerians stole the tires off of.

>>65014325
Was Southeast Asia the site of our primary foreign policy objectives during the 1960s? We even changed the structure of our army to fight there right? No, of course not. Likewise, we the Europe first stance of our foreign policy during the War on Terror.

As for everything else we've discussed, it's quite clear that there is a current of the United States seeking to end its Europe first stance and reform its approach to trade, supposedly "trumpian" policies, well before Trump even decided to run for office. Acting like this came from left field and that there's no context for what's happening is completely retarded. I am so tired of having to explain this to people. They just want to make everything about Trump, so they can be mad at him specifically, while ignoring all of the foreshocks indicating the United States was going to break from its previous foreign policy. And no, NATO isn't going anywhere. Only a fool would think so.

>>65014321
EU growth has been much lower than US since 2008. The EU actually had a larger economy back then. Now, it's ~$10 trillion smaller than the US.

>>65014364
>Was Southeast Asia the site of our primary foreign policy objectives during the 1960s?
Yes, that's where the war was. It was the main policy objective of the era.
>We even changed the structure of our army to fight there right? No, of course not.
We did, actually.
>Likewise, we the Europe first stance of our foreign policy during the War on Terror.
That's not even a grammatically correct sentence, and it was wrong in premise to begin with.
>, it's quite clear that there is a current of the United States seeking to end its Europe first stance and reform its approach to trade, supposedly "trumpian" policies, well before Trump even decided to run for office
No. You're not going to piss on me and tell me it's raining. It's just one retard. We can all see it.
>I am so tired of having to explain this to people.
Because you keep asking them to disbelieve their own eyes, ears, and memories and to buy into a retarded narrative to excuse the retard in the White House.
>hey just want to make everything about Trump, so they can be mad at him specifically
No, it's about more than him. It's also about the people who supported him and continue to make excuses for him. I hate them too just as much.
>while ignoring all of the foreshocks indicating the United States was going to break from its previous foreign policy.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense, other than the fact that it simply isn't true.

>>65014379
>Yes, that's where the war was
No, you retard. It was subservient to our objectives in Europe. Hence, why Vietnam was a "proxy" war. It demonstrates when could fight a draft wars with over half a million men under arms on the other side of the planet and still maintain our Europe first stance. This, we did not abandon said stance on account of 9/11.
>other than the fact that it simply isn't true
You can be angry at Trump all you want. That's your business. However, if you're going to be this I'll informed on US policy and so helplessly unable to place historical events in context, I suggest not participating in such discussions.

>>65014432
>No, you retard. It was subservient to our objectives in Europe.
What objectives did the Vietnam war serve in Europe?
> However, if you're going to be this I'll informed on US policy
You're the one trying to spread disinformation on this topic by claiming that Obama's Pivot to Asia speech somehow included a de-prioritization of Europe when that isn't the case at all. Europe was to stay at the status it had previously been afforded with people and materiel being shifted to Asia, along with European assets. You're lying when you say that Europe was at all being shifted away from. That's a Trump-era policy and it's because he's objectively a hostile actor to European allies.
>I suggest not participating in such discussions.
Because you got fucked, migatard.

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>>65014447
>What objectives did the Vietnam war serve in Europe?

>>65014447
The Vietnam war was started by France you dumb nigger

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>>65014496
>>65014526
>bitch that the Europeans have to give up their colonies after WWII
>fuck over the French in reestablishing their position in Vietnam after the bongs have beaten back the Vietcong
>drag their feet in giving the French the aid they'd need to fight the Vietcong
>all but celebrate when the French give up and go home
>act all surprised that the commies they where fighting don't stop once the French are gone
>get dragged into a war you could have prevented 20 years ago by simply not fucking the French over

>>65014526
France had already pulled out by the time the US got involved. In fact, it's emblematic of the fact that Europe was not, in fact, the main focus of policy at the time.

>>65011780
Idk man why should they trust the US if the relations have been shown to be so volatile that another election could turn allies in to enemies and vice versa?

>>65014564
Why did you reply to me? This is unrelated.

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>>65012223
>the future of NATO is probably built around Polish supremacy
That would be extremely funny is that were the case if only because it would make retards everywhere seethe endlessly

>>65014293
Euronoids are so fucking stupid. Good god.

>>65013785
Nazi Germany was a republic, so it was democratic?

>>65014837
Nazi Germany was a republic in name only. It had suspended democratic elections, suspended civil rights, and even made her own citizens stateless. So no, it wasn't a fucking republic in reality.

>>65014851
Fun fact: Hitler never bothered writing a new constitution, meaning that the Weimar Republic technically lasted into the 1940s

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I get the distinct feeling the average "European" online these days is a paperwork jeet skin suiting ancient European military prowess.
You already lost the capitol cities to a 1400 year old enemy and you are energy dependent on you supposed "enemies"

>>65011780
>Everyone will forget the orange retard
yeah, good luck with that
the orange retard is not the problem - the cattle that made him the president is
and inb4 "not all americans..." - good luck with that too

>>65015053
I'm sure the average European will be too busy getting killed by their government after getting gang raped by Paki illegals to do much of anything.
Or they'll be too busy kicking them all out

>>65011710
With the US de facto withdrawn it no longer really exists, Euros are just in denial about it

>>65014873
>Hitler never bothered writing a new constitution
Because he didn't need to. He was a dictator. The constitution wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

>>65015149
not really until they decided to jump into Israels dire straits completely unforced it was a perfectly reasonable deterrent
the US may use any invocation at its leisure and if they don't like you maybe they will maybe they won't why don't you sent me a check? or poland maybe? who will send me personally a bigger check

>>65014564
Are you fucking kidding me?
The US didn't fuck the French over. The French were blackmailing the US into intervening in Indochina to help them, because they said "we'll have to become communists if you don't."
The US went down there while Ho Chi Minh was quoting fucking Thomas Jefferson and how the anti colonial struggle made the Vietnamese and Americans brothers in arms.

>>65014016
Exactly. you people think anyone who isn't on board with us giving up our rights, or is happy with us being a over financialized economy with no real world value for average people here is at best a nuisance or at worst an enemy. The only Americans you "like" are the ones who keep appeasing you and pushing america in the direction you want. And I'm not even with the cult. Fuck trump for this retarded war, fuck him for trusting the same nevertrumpers from 2016.

For decades the basic NATO truth was: Any fighting is gonna happen at the iron curtain to defend Europe.

Now we're in a situation where we have to look at the Pacific. And on paper everyone can see that, but it's very clear that this alliance isn't designed to defend America anymore. After all China is your biggest trading partner.

So we have been on diverging paths.

>>65015166
in 1945 after the Japanese surrender the Vietnamese nationalists under the leadership of a man who was a known communist tried to take over
the British that took possession where attacked by them and had to re-arm the Japanese garrison to help fight them back
they however had a departure date
the local US liaison got taken in by a communist, who never ever lie, citing some american revolution stuff.
the US being hostile against European colonial interests agreed
the french needing help to send troops, administrators ect. to reestablish control got shafted by the US
the UK volunteering to keep their troops longer got told not to by the US, they had also been told by the US to disarm the Japanese garrison again
this gave the Vietcong to regroup and re-arm
by the time the French where ready to go after them they where ready and the first Indochina war started
the French asked the US for help, they where after all fighting communists and where also fighting in Korea
the US did send help but dragged it's feet at first still not believing it to be of importance and wanting European colonial control to end
by the time the US realized how serious it was and the French started getting what they where asking for the French where already on the verge of defeat.
by 1954 the US was all to happy to accept the division of Vietnam in order to stop throwing good money after bad
ofc you can't trust commies and the US would end up fighting the same commies it thought where nice guys because they got a hold of a history of the American revolution
I mean no one who's said good things about the American revolution could be bad right?
the same happened in Indonesia as well, but there the actual nationalists won the civil war but also got very close to turning communists
or most of Africa with many post colonial regimes being friendly to Moscow or being outright commy

>>65014011
It's usually brown rightoids like Andrew Tate who love Trump, all the white polls (i.e Europe, Australia, Canada) have learned to hate Trump because he fucking chimped out on literally all of them and proved that Israel is not only "America's greatest ally" but also the ONLY country they see as an ally. American Right Wingers literally hate all white civilization nations and call us "gay socialists" but love to give Israel unlimited support, that's simply the matter of fact.

>>65015282
I don't know about the others but
>Canada
>white civilization
okay that's delusional

>>65015292
Canada's institutions are still overwhelmingly controlled by white Canadians, demographic chances like this take decades to carry over to government wide change, just look at the US where the Presidency has been almost exclusively the domain of the WASPs (highly endangered species) up until this decade.
Also the USA is still viewed as a "white country" worldwide despite being only like 64% white or whatever it was.

>>65015300
i have made no claims about the US being a white country actually the opposite the spicification of the population is what is leading the spicification of politics
but canada is just a jeet chink colony and all policy is constructed to enable maximum import of the new canadian even when it ia detrimental to the actual canadian

>>65015207
a) china is also the US's biggest trading partner and it was the US that got them integrated in the global trade network
b) NATO was made to keep the soviets from getting to the Atlantic. that's good for the Europeans because they are in the way and good for the US because that means the soviets can't build up a navy able to eventually threaten the US.
it was the US that incited on limiting NATO too the north Atlantic
even so had they asked at any point in the last 20 years or so to open up the geographic limitation they'd probably have gotten it
c) NATO still covers US interests. it keeps a rival continental power from forming on the Atlantic and keeps China's ally russia contained. it also provides the US an additional export market for it's MiC and a reserve of US and US compatible systems if it where to ever need them

lastly, I've got a MAGA cap from 2016 that I had to get a US citizen to straw purchase for me. I understand the frustration many Americans have with their domestic system and their involvement in Europe. that frustration however doesn't change that it is at it's very base a benefit for the US and that needlessly antagonizing Europe is going to end up biting it in it's ass.

>>65014233
>Insult everyone that'd sent troops every other time the US asked
>Insult people offering to send assets slightly later or not precisely what you would've liked to a conflict they had no role in and turn it down
>Pikachu surprised face when they don't want to instantly send a flotilla
Not even getting into the Greenland stuff or anything else, this is just entirely self-inflicted.
Something that I think the current US admin struggles with is remembering that their allies have voting publics that they answer to.
The very public dick swinging style of communication has the effect of polarising those voters against the US, regardless of any other factors at play.
As a matter of strategy, it's bad politics that boxes in the people you're trying to get things from. If say, Starmer wants to send the RN to help now, he doesn't just have to sell why they're getting involved with Iran, he also has to sell that they're being sent on the request of leadership that just disrespected the country's contributions to the GWOT. Hell, now he has to do it and also explain why they're still offering after the initial carrier offer was publically mocked. Even if it may make sense for the UK to contribute to a mission in the straight, it now has a substantially higher political price attached than it would've otherwise.
I don't fully understand how people on here often seem to conceive of a world where foreign and domestic politics are two distant islands where virtually nothing travels between. It's the same island and they have a pretty porus land border.

>>65015313
>spicification of politics
You can say that again. Trump would be so much happier as a tacky Latino businessman who can just give his son in law a nepo-job (does Jared Kushner have any new role in this admin anyway?)

>>65015166
>The US went down there while Ho Chi Minh was quoting fucking Thomas Jefferson and how the anti colonial struggle made the Vietnamese and Americans brothers in arms.
>he fell for the commie propaganda
how does this keep happening on this board?

>>65015391
>does Jared Kushner have any new role in this admin anyway?
He's still the bagman, he makes the deals to enrich the clan.
He's currently meeting with the Russian delegation in Florida I think. He spends a lot of time talking to that Kiril guy.

>>65015274
Yes, so you can see how Americas perceived interests at the time: anti colonialism, oh and uncle ho ain't all that bad conflicts with French interests at the time? Yes, the US got taken for a ride by Commies and then they got taken for a ride by the french ad everyone ignored the elephant in the room: French colonial rule was root cause for this shitstorm.

Remember that a lot of this anti-colonial movement came from FDR. We moan about the deep state today but that's the same back then. It's completely unreasonable to expect a country to do a 180 after Truman comes in.
And even then the US ideological whiplash had the US pay 80% of the bill for the Indochina war by 1954.

>https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79T00472A000700020022-6.pdf

This was actually in line with what France pushed for in 1953:
>https://indochine.uqam.ca/en/historical-dictionary/496-financial-cost-of-indochina-war-france.html

And we're also forgetting at the same time the US was kind of busy with this thing called the Marshall plan. Which while not exactly charity was unprecedented at the time in scale and did cost the US actual resources.

>>65015478
>implying
The US falling for commie propaganda is historical fact in this instance. It did shape policy. If I believe I can win the lottery by taking out a payday loan I might be stupid, but my intention is very focused.

>>65015511
But anon, we were supposed to give the French even more because they totally coulda woulda shoulda won!

>>65015511
so the French weren't blackmailing the US to get involved and the commies quoting le hecking jefferson wasn't because they wanted to become the USA 2.0
it so nice of you to admit you where full of shit
>>65015545
the issue isn't the US not giving the French gibs
it's the US putting sticks in the wheels of not just the French but all the European colonial powers in re-establishing their control in Asia
that in turn ended up causing a lot of headaches for the US
it's basically the US showing up on the western front in WWI and going "nah we don't need your advise, we know better"
being new isn't an excuse for getting your own men killed unnecessary

>>MAGA tards on the thread calling people brown when you bring up Trump threatening to leave NATO over the Iran war
You guys are bigger retards than zingers.
Iran war

>>65016302
You copy/pasta’d your handler’s text wrong, brownie.

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>>65016302
Everyone laugh at this retard.

>>65016302
>europoor shills are paid shills
Disappointing, is there anyone besides the chinks who shills for jingoism alone?

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>>65012684
>And unlike the Israelis and Americans, they don't have a fleet of stealth jets to makes up for having outdated ground forces.
Poland has more stealth aircraft than Russia does by about a third.

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>>65013580
You outed yourself as someone that really doesn't know how the world works, anon.

If you followed Israeli politics at all, you would know that (hilariously) a large portion of their right wing is convinced that the US government and US defense companies secretly run the Israeli government. There are debates going on right now about when Israeli needs to stop buying munitions from the US, because it makes them too dependent on Uncle Sam. And building out their domestic MIC has massive support among Israelis.

Unironically the US MIC is at odds with both the Israeli and American governments, in that both governments have reasons to want stop buying/selling to each other, but the MIC absolutely refuses to lose a good customer. Should give you an idea of the relatively lobbying power of Lockheed Martin when they can win while pushing against the position of Mossad/Shin-Bet

>>65016448
It's pretty funny how many countries have more than Russia now. I think Australia's got the most F-35s delivered right now so they have the third largest stealth fleet in the world, Japan's not far behind, Poland's got a bunch, so many air forces are suddenly immensely capable of dunking on basically anyone except China (TBD).

>>65016505
china is paper and anglo cocks are the scissors that will slice it in half, again

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>>65011716
i've seen that before

>>65016505
Poland has only received a couple so far, but Norway has a bunch.

>>65013437
>He's strained an already crazy amount on every single one of his allies.

The western debt bubbles will all implode from this. The thing here is that when people look at national debt, they only look at government debt, but they do not look at the total tax payer backed debt which also includes regional and muncipal local governments. This war will generate massive cost increases, which will trigger interest rate hikes, which will squeeze all the fake middle class that is leveraged with debt, and also their employers, and also the government, and the resulting economic contraction will generate something similar to 1929.

let's be honest you'd be glad if poland was attacked by russia

>>65016850
I've been waiting for Poland to attack Russia.

>>65013461
>Yeah, on paper, but every single "far right" party you mentioned is nothing of those thing.

Correct. Mainstream european far right doesnt exist. They are pure media creations. What they actually are are Israel first neocons. There are actual national socialist euro parties, but they are completely banned from media exposure and therefore does not exist per normie logic amd they recieve very few votes each election. Normies does not have any kind of long term memory, Danish Folkeparti, one of these fake parties, did get into the government a couple of elections ago, did nothing of what they promised, and were punished by the voters next election, but now they are back again where they were, on the same false promises that they broke earlier. Normies are naturally group thinkers and cannot go against the group think which is defined by shared mass media. That is why it was so important to judeoamericanize tiktok as it was an uncontrolled normie programming vector.

>>65016861
Nazi parties are all pathetic poseurs with no concrete plans, their ideology is not the only reason nobody votes for them. Besides, we all know how easy totalitarian dictatorships with fake propped up economies turn dysfunctional, do you really wanna go back to that?

>>65015282
progressives are enemies of the human race with one way route toward self extermination, until europeans clean themselves from that moral sickness they rightfully should be treated as dispensables

>>65016941
>if you're not treating people as dispensable, you're an enemy of the human race
With friends like you, the human race doesn't need enemies to destroy itself.

>>65016462
>americans think their country is run by jews
>jews think their country is run by americans
Guess it evens out.

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>>65016858
>I've been waiting for Poland to attack Russia.
We all are, anon.

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>>65016974
>Guess it evens out

>>65015391
>(does Jared Kushner have any new role in this admin anyway?)

He and Witkoff are negotiating on behalf of America with Iran. Jared is a secretary without a portfolio.

>>65017186
>He and Witkoff are negotiating on behalf of America with Iran. Jared is a secretary without a portfolio.
You can just call him the bagman of the Trump crime family.

Of course this thread is nothing but malding euros

>>65014085
>"I will vote the same party that will do the same if not worse to own le chud!!!"
You are brown

>>65017212
>Chinks/Vatnigs pretending to be Euros*
it's the same d&c bullshit they've been doing since Vance told Z-man to say thank you.

>>65016861
>they actually are are Israel first neocons
Bingo, within just 30-40 years both our left and right wing parties became carbon copies of the american left and right.

>uhhh the billionaire master media manipulator whom the us gubbmint tried unsuccessfully for years to imprison or other wise destroy
>the one that won the presidency twice
>despite the odds
>he be dum
lol @ yuropoors

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>>65017278
>Trump will save us
Ziggers are desperate.
Must be because even refineries on the far side of Moscow are getting droned.

Yaroslav and even Chapayevsk (explosives plant went boom) are now within range.
But don't worry, you can still throw 1000 drones and manage to damage a UNESCO monastery. That will show those pesky cossacks.

>>65017284
Trump will save Russia, it's not up to ziggers or Euros. Trump chooses who wins and that's the end of it.

>>65017284
annon they had to hit that monastery to protect the west from becoming gay communist islam

>>65017292
>annon they had to hit that monastery to protect the west from becoming gay communist islam
Is there no end to the treachery of the Bernardines?
Currently that monastery is under the operation of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic church, truly villainous in their crypto-christian gay islamic orthodoxy.

>>65017297
annon it's all in the name Bernardines
they are french and we all know that france is the center of the gay communist islamist world
every frenchman is both a nigger, an algerian, a fag, a commy and an islamist all at the same time

>>65017308
>every frenchman is both a nigger, an algerian, a fag, a commy and an islamist all at the same time
Vive la différence indeed

>lols @ yuropoors because they are so retarded
>yuropoors immediately double down
Fucking loooooool! Not even pidors are this addlepated...

>>65011710
NATO is a defensive alliance
If one member of NATO starts an offensive war against a third party, that is not a NATO problem

>>65013346
>saving enough time
ESL detected, opinion rejected

Worst of all, he might actually be an American being jingoistic despite not even knowing his own language. No wonder that once great country is going to shit.

>>65017278
Bad people are dumb, because if they were smart they would realize being bad is bad and be good instead. Orange man is very bad so he must be very stupid too.

>>65011710
Slim.
NATO devolved into a feed trough.
They will have to cut social programs to fund their own militaries now.
I expect that the collective will be replaced by EurArmy in the short term, mainly as a show of force vehicle for trade deals.

>>65015067
still whiter than you, mentally ill afro-mexican cut abomination

>>65017278
imagine sucking the cock of a man openly shitting on you, robbing you, gloating about it, sending your kids to die for his profit. you are the most pathetic being in existence.

>>65011710
Hopefully the US leaves and Eurofags all scramble and fail to learn how to defend themselves.
We've subsidized them for too long.

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>>65016974
Both are true, Jews have leverage on the US because they hold the entire economy, innovation and competitive edge that keep the US empire in tact, With the Jews in return wanting some of their interests being taken care of by the US at relatively much lower price than what the Jews give (Israel is one of them, although the Christian Zionist block is just as strong), And Israel is constrained by America with the agreement of American Jews, Who prefer Israel to maintain soft power and only purely defensive position because it keeps the bloodlust of the people at bay (Anti-Semitism is almost always the will of the people, bottom up phenomenon contrary to hatred of blacks, catholics, arabs etc, with the ones defending the Jew being the actual elites who understand how important the Jews are to their economy and culture).

The fear, a rightful one, is that if America "abandon" Israel, the latter would naturally get close to China and Russia, Who simped for Israel for decades and failed to recruit it over America time and time again since the soviet era, Which could possibly be a major national security threat, Israel innovative and geopolitical force multiplier aside, It risk American Jews prolificness and loyalty, Not necessarily just because Israel aligning with China and Russia would give them a permission structure to benefit the two because it might benefit Israel, But because such scenario will inevitably will increase Jew-Hatred and make America Jews persona non grata in their own countries, the ground is already fertile across the western hemisphere, the demographic change in America, globalisation of ideas through the internet and academia marxist brainwashing accelerated the process.

>europoor is easily negged into a fit of impotent rage
>im not even really trying
lol?

>>65016850
I'd be glad of anyone would put those niggers in their place. But it'd feel extra good after all the years of Poland gloating they could turn Russia's ass inside out that they actually did

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>>65017544
>still whiter than you

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>>65011710
>alliance called the NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organisation
>get mad you don't get assistance for a war in the Middle East.

>>65017899
It's also a DEFENSIVE treaty. Matter of fact, article 1 states you're not supposed to just attack another country. America broke the treaty, not europe.

>>65015640
>full of shit
The US had both a stated (FDR policy) and a perceived (trust me bro t. Uncle Ho) interest in decolonization. They threw this policy overboard because the French were pushing the red scare in France. Colonial France wasn't exactly popular with lefty Frenchies at the time and they were basically saying the next government would be commie and they'd give up all their asian holdings, which would then fall to the commies. So the US, contrary to it's own policy chose to support the key European ally. Too little too late? Would've could've should've? Maybe. But the US didn't fuck over France.

There's a lot more to the immediate post war dynamic as well. US had just spent the last 5 years killing Japanese and the British start arming them in Vietnam? Hindsight is 20/20 but it was a reasonable reaction given the timeframe.

I just grow tired of this america-is-out-for-itself fanfiction when major conflicts have never ended up in America's favor. I guarantee you even when this Iran thing is over Shell and Total will be first on the ground getting oil fields up while Chevron and Exxon will nowhere to be seen. Just like Iraq.

>>65017899
He's a retard scrambling as he sees his poll numbers. I'd say Graham and Cruz couldn't have done a better job at reasserting the Republican party as neocon central if they had been president.

>>65017934
>article 1 states you're not supposed to just attack another country. America broke the treaty
It says to refrain from doing so, which is a bit less than being forbidden.

One could easily make the argument that Iran has committed countless provocations over the years, any one of which would serve as casus beli, freeing the US from article 1 commitments not to needlessly go to war.

>we want you to rearm!
>no only buy our stuff!
>fuck you you're a worthless vassal
>why don't you come to our rescue?
>greenland belongs to america
>yuros hate the usa, trust me!
>america and russia have much in common, they're better than you
>no more money to europe, cut the aid to ukraine
>genocide in palestine and lebanon? How many billions bibi, my lord?
No coherent narrative, just endless shitposting from you migatards.

>>65017998
Except those provocations were pointed towards israel, which is not a nato member.

>>65018037
>yuros hate the usa, trust me!
I don't get why I'm supposed to pretend that Europeans are condescending, smug retards irl.

>>65018041
>Except those provocations were pointed towards israel, which is not a nato member.
That's just a blantant lie.
Sure, many provocations against Israel but also against USA, both together and separately.
You know this but you're a lying zigger.

>>65018042
so far the only condescending, smug retards here are americans, or at least the people pretending to be them on this board. king orange is surely the most outspoken egomaniac around, he scrapes african warlord levels of god complex, and i have no doubt those who voted him align with his personality, one way or another.

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>>65018042
>irl.
Good thing this is an imageboard then.

>>65018067
>so far the only condescending, smug retards here are americans
Stopped reading

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>>65018042
>>yuros hate the usa
That depends, but most Europeans definitely hate Trump

>>65018104
you gotta be a complete boot licking drone not to hate the guy.

>>65018096
you can barely understand your own language, mutto. it's no surprise you're almost literate.

>>65016312
>>65016334
>>65016418
>Be MIGA
>Voted in Epstein best friend
>Disarmed actual what counties
>Demand more whites die for Israel

>>65017986
the key fucking over part was in delaying the return of French troops and hurrying the withdraw of Commonwealth troops.
for no other reason than "colonies le bad, we get rid of them and all those countries will become little USA's"

this also (partly why) why the US keeps fucking it's self over when goes to war.
it doesn't think trough what to do when the bombs stop falling and resorts to ideological platitudes. even when it's allies are advising them that it simply won't work.
like Vietnam where the Brits where telling them that getting out without a proper garrison force would lead to problems down the road
even if the US didn't want the Brits that used the japs or the French reestablishing their colony. they could have garrisoned it themselves and guided the Vietnamese to a functional democracy.
but they didn't they acted on the politics of ignorance and spite

>>65018218
>Disarmed actual what counties
What about actual where countries?

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>>65018476
>What about actual where countries?
What about actual why countries?

>>65012292
Completely understated fact
The same creators and agents of the gulag system control russia.

>>65013960
This
Fixing manipulated trade imbalances and asking for more military spending should not be seen as abandonment.

>>65013967
The French try this all the time. Get rejected for having more strings than its worth. Euros perfer American nuclear weapons. Was a good video on this but find it over all the modern slop.

>>65011710
I wouldn't worry about it since russia is a non-threat for the next 50 years at least

>>65016941
you're literally the global gaysex zogbot empire dude you've got no legs to stand on here

>>65017899
That's senility for you. It can happen at ages over 75.

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>>65011710
Since this'll be glossed over but i feel it is relevant to the discussion, i recently read Jens Stoltenbergs book picrel, now i'll gloss over the unimportant parts and go for the important ones.

In 2018 trumpler went to Europe, and he offered the Euro's strategic independence, now Macron was game for it, everyone else spent the entire meeting harkening back to blood sacrifices to the USA and how the middle eastern wars where so unpopular, so in the end instead of taking care of their own military -would've been great to atleast do something in 2018 hindsight and all- they got told to pay 2% of GDP into Nato, which they cheered about at the time, they then ofcourse spent the entire slushfunding the entire thing into building bridges and solar farms calling it Nato relevant, sure a bridge is fine can be relevant to war but the main idea here was to actually spend it on the military. which didn't happen, and are now calling it blackmail ,sadly they have no other option but hoping the Americans stick around allot of the EUpoliticians have been in politics since the cold war they never had to deal with consequences.

but sure enough as they clapped and cheered about not having to build an army because the USA would come to their aid surely, Russia did the exact opposite and built an army then invaded Ukraine, at which point the very same people panicked about Trump, btw if Kamala had been in the Whitehouse the same thing would've happened it'd just be done more politely and with a big bleached smile, nothing has really changed to the USA's geopolitical aims since Bush nor did it change under Obama or anyone else.

as for Nato, i personally believe it'll come under immense strain and it'll be around as a vestigial organ of middling import as the Democrats use it to blackmail the EU more but is okay cause now the right people are blackmailing us :). as for the Euros coming together for a collective army, unlikely noone wants to give up control of their armies.