>be me>Nippanon>living on Tanegashima island>lots of different barbarian trade ships come and go>no biggie>until the white-skin Nanbans>never seen anybody like them>their eyes have weird colors>hair, too>no idea where they came from>and the iron tubes>they have these weird long iron tubes held on wood>a bunch of some sand-looking drug is poured into the tube>a lead ball is dropped in after>more drug is added to this little pan on the side of the tube>a little arm holds a red hot rope match>they pull this little lever; the rope arm snaps down, plunges the rope into the pan>the drug EXPLODES IN FIRE>a little hole in the iron tube guides flames into the other drug>it also explodes in flames and thunder>the lead ball is sent flying out the tube in whatever direction it's pointed>the lead ball is flying so fast IT CAN PUNCH THROUGH FUCKING ARMOR>THERE'S SMOKE AND THUNDER EVERYWHERE>MY PENIS IS INEXPLICABLY STIFFER THAN THE STONES OF FUJIWhat the actual fuck, desu?!?!?!? WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE WHITE NANBANS?! WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY COME FROM?! WHY DO THEY COVER MEAT AND FISH WITH BREADCRUMBS AND THEN BOIL THEM IN OIL OR LARD?!
I was taught that the Chinese invented gunpowder like centuries before any European had heard of it. How then did it escape Japanese notice before Europeans showed up?
>>65012409Because the chinese never used it properly and it wasn't until it spread to the middle east and Europe that people actually started to design firearms that were actually useful.
>>65012409The Chinese did invent gunpowder but pretty much all they used it for was fireworks. They didn't really seize on its usefulness as an explosive or as a propellant for weapons until much much later. The Ottomans, Pajeets, and Euros were all building guns before the Chinese did.
>>65012370The Japanese weren't actually that shocked as they had fireworks that they imported from China, however they quickly copied the Europeans until then gun production in Japan actually outproduced many 16th century Europeon kingdoms. >>65012409The furthest China got when it came to gunpowder was bombs, very early cannons, and the “fire lance” which acted more like a flamethrower than an actual gun. Korea had the Hwacha that used firework rockets to propel a shit ton of darts/arrows.Japan also historically had always been an isolationist country/nation/kingdom-thing, so technology was very slow to be adopted outside of wartime. The official policy for many decades/centuries was to kill whatever foreigner arrived on Japanese soil, then to kill the man who killed the foreigner, as by killing the foreigners they had directly interacted with them, meaning they were corrupted.The difference from previous encounters was when White people arrived in the 1500’s Japan was in the Sengoku-Jidai. So when Whites showed up with guns some clans saw it as an opportunity to advance their weaponry, as Japan is always quick to innovate/adopt technologies while in war, then stagnate for hundreds of years until the next war.This meant that when the Boshin War came around you had soldiers armed with American Civil War Era rifled muskets mixed in with guys using 200 years-out-of-date matchlocks.
>>65012409the real key was being able to forge iron tubes with one sealed end, which is a major metalworking challenge
>>65012370The japs knew what gunpowder weapons were, retard-kun. They were using hand cannon in the 13th century and fire lances in the early 15th.
>>65012681The first accounts from Tanegashima referred to the gunpowder as some sort of drug and made no connection to the hand-cannons. It was known, but not that widely.
Barbarian trinkets won't save you.
>>65012510>gun production in Japan actually outproduced many 16th century Europeon kingdoms.I've read this claim often but never came across an actual source. Also the claim that the whole island of Japan produced more guns than the Duchy of Brabant at a given time isn't that impressive.
>>65012934Let see if muh bushido samurai folded by 9000 armor can stand against cannon fire
>>65012409>I was taught that the Chinese invented gunpowder like centuries before any European had heard of it.>How then did it escape Japanese notice before Europeans showed up?Like the bow gunpower and pyrotechnics evolved simulateously in multiple places,People piss in firepits to put wood fires out. It goes from there until comone figures out that the crystals and soot are making the sparkle pops, The byzrantians had pyro weapons for sabotage at night that would ignite when the sun came up. The greeks had flame weapons. Chinese maoist propaganda is constructed around a lie called the "Four Great Inventions" which to this day it is CCP policy to propagandise, none of which are true. The scandinavians had primitive compasses for example. Why do you see bows in the amazon and the congo. Well, they are an evolution from traps. The chinese have an abysmal track record when it comes to historical truth, faking artifacts and propagandising on this. It stems from the deep inadequacy of the century of humiliation. Claims to have invented paper are equally laughable,
>>65013387>Why do you see bows in the amazon and the congo. Well, they are an evolution from traps
>>65013331Neither European or Japanese gunmakers kept records, however, you can estimate using the recorded number of teppo-gumi present in battles. The Battle of Sekigahara in 1600 had over 55,000+ matchlock armed troops, with an estimated total production of firearms estimating around 300,000 from the time of their introduction to the time Japan was fully unified, which does indeed beat out even the Dutch, who only produced around 200,000.
Tmdwu
>>65012409It didn't. That's why Japan needed Portuguese gunsmithing expertise to make guns, but could supply gunpowder on its own.
>>65012409 Gunpowder isn't that difficult to make, once you find a decent source of sulphur (it's pretty abundant, any mineral spring which stinks like rotten eggs marks a deposit), and you get gong farms (and associated nitre refineries) up and running. Takes a bit of time before the nitrate crystals start growing, so the sooner you start, the better.
>>65013331>I've read this claim often but never came across an actual source. Comes from a modern Western source of dubious quality, Noel Perrin's Giving up the Gun. This is constrasted with Ming records on firearm production in the tens of thousands and the ample quantity of gunpowder. >>65013777>estimated total production of firearms estimating around 300,000 from the time of their introduction to the time Japan was fully unifiedA very doubtful estimate, the Japanese were severely bottlenecked by lead(ammunition), sulfur and saltpeter having to mostly rely on foreign imports. Using the Imjin War as an example, Kato Kiyomasa purchased 10,000-20,000 catties of lead which only averages to 300 bullets, alongside an order of 2,000 4 monme caliber arquebuses from Sakai. This is seemingly corroborated by Seonjo Sillok claiming that Japanese arquebusiers only fired 3 shots.
>>65012934The japs have to wear angry masks cause their war face are so qt
>>65013987> Noel Perrin's Giving up the Gun.Looked into this more, the claim is not entirely without merit it comes from Fernão Mendes Pinto's Peregrinação where he claims there was 300,000 arquebuses in the entirety of Japan in 1556. However this is grossly exagerated as even during the famous Battle of Nagashino where out of Oda's 30,000+ troops only 1,000 or 3,000 men were arquebusiers(3% or 10%). This low proportion is seen in the initial mobilization during the 1592 invasion of Korea, with the unusual exception of Kato Kiyomasa 2,105(22%) other damiyos had small number of arquebusiers such as Shimazu Yoshihiro 1,500(10%), Tachibana Muneshige 200(7%), So Yoshitoshi 275-351(7-8%) and Goto Sumiharu 30(4%).
