Why would you deploy anti-tank mines deep inside enemy territory?
as a measure against enemy aircraft
>we're going to hide vehicles in mountains>what the fuck why are you dropping mines near where those vehicles might come out of the mountainsIf you had more than a room temp IQ you could have made the connection yourself.
>>65013316Honestly breddy smart.Just mine the entrance of whatever bunker the enemy is hiding in.Carpet Mining > Carpet bombing
America mines where it wants.
>>65013316To kill missile launchers when they exit their underground base.
>>65013316>dyuhh why would you want your enemy to run into unexpected mines???
>Why would you deploy anti-tank mines deep inside enemy territory?Because you plan on doing boots on the ground shit and want to dampen any potential mechanized response to it. Duh.
>>65013503>>65013316I don't think it would be that userfull in Iran.They can just send 12 years boys armed with AKs to sweep roads and shot every mine they find.
>>65013512Then the mine still goes off on some tank because that's not nearly enough to disable it.
>>65013328If you had more than a room temperature IQ then you would have not posted this.
>>65013574It has antidisturbance fuse. It will go off after bullet hit.If it doesn't then hook it with a rope and drag it out from a road.
>>65013316>Why would you deploy anti-tank mines deep inside enemy territory?Area denial, in this case to prevent Iranians moving earh moving equipment to try and reopen the entrances to Iranian underground missile complexes where trapped mullah slaves are runing out of food oxygen and water.
Based USA. Showing savages how war is done.
The mullah yearn for the mines
>>65013503Adin you re not an ashenazi, you re a brown idf cannon fodder type of jew
>>65013316Pentagon is currently trying a 300iq play I don’t want to disclose because I know this site is monitored.Or they’re completely missing out on the possible strat which would be kinda sad ngl.
>>65013781You think you solo came up with a strategic course of action that hasn't been looked at by any of the military planners involved at any level?
>>65013328>Oh look, some mines>I guess we'll just move them off the roadAnother winner idea from Kegsbreath
>>65013850Among the AT mines there are AP mines that deploy tripwires. So it's not like you can just walk around the area and pick up the mines
>>65013880>>65013880Bellingcat reports there were no AP mines spotted together with AT mikes. Apparently they were removed from delivery containers to follow AP mines ban.Anyway 1. On paved roads AP mines are well visible.2. Iran would not be bothered by some casualties removing mines.At best these a nuisance, and hours time delay.I've read Cold War more sophisticated AT mine project. It was supposed to burrow 5-10 feet underground (shaped like bomb and delivered from high altitude). Used acoustic detection with possible target counter (for example let 3 first pass and hit 4th so demining is unreliable) and two stage shaped charge spiced with thermite and "totally not chemicals weapon" toxic by product effect of termite to kill tank and crew through 10 feet of soil. This thing was nefarious. Unfortunately canceled together with USSR.
>>65013830Normally no, but competency do be crisis-ing these days.
>>65013880>Oh no, some guys died>Guess we'll get some moreGo to bed Kegsbreath, you're drunk. Understand that the mullahs give less of a fuck about Iranian lives than you do, bro.
>>65013316Where would you deploy mines in this instance?
>>65013378>Why would you drop mines near one of Iran's missle cities>The ones their missle transporters need to drive to and from to restock on a ser number of possible routesI dunno. It's a mystery.
>>65014170Outside your mom's trailer, America would lose 30% of it's qualified truck drivers in a single weekend.
>>65013316conceptually the idea is soundbut in practice you're supposed to mix mine types so i'm not sure what they were thinking
>>65014281>but in practice you're supposed to mix mine types so i'm not sure what they were thinkingThey probably want to blow up big ass transporter erector vehicles for ballistic missiles more than they want to blow up random Hadjis on foot or in small cars. So scattering a shit load of small anti-personnel mines wouldn't be very useful.
>>65014281What reason do we have to believe this wasn't done?
>>65013850After watching ziggers for the past 4 years I can confidently state this is beyond the iranians. They will drive over them without considering going around them, let alone try moving them.
>>65014281Iranian people report that multiple were killed, so either A) Iran is lyingB) Iranians are encountering anti-personnel minesC) Iranians are just driving into these on the road
>>65013316The activation pressure for one of these is something like 800 lbs. How are multiple people supposed to have already died from them?
>>65015076>as he looks overhead at the passing jet, Farhad suddenly thinks of an old Looney Tunes cartoon and wonders, albeit briefly, why
>>65015076Two equally plausible explanations:1. Normal middle eastern theatrical handwringing about things that never actually happened. They beat their chests about how strong they are, but in equal measure every attack on them somehow only hits puppies and children, look at these crying brown people as proof!2. Civilians found the mines and starting prying them apart because hey free copper! They predictably asplode themselves by being retarded. Cue theatrical handwringing.
>>65015357I find the former more likely and was the explanation I was attempting to socratically imply.
This made me think, why don't we just mine the Iranian side of the strait? What are they going to do if all of their USVs and minelayers keep blowing up?
>>65015803They can just drone any tanker in the strait. Or shoot missiles at it.Or dump half a dozen jetskis with bombs off a few hiluxes on a beach.
>>65013830uh... is protecting your own assets something that planners normally overlook?
>>65015854Mines would stop the jet skis
>>65015357They may have a timed self-destruct fuse. In which case if people decided they were relatively safe and started collecting them up for whatever reason..
>>65015854Their drones are GPS guided and the jetskis would get mined, that cuts the problem down to just missiles.
>>65015076>The activation pressure for one of these is something like 800 lbs. How are multiple people supposed to have already died from them?The Fateh TBM has a 500kg warhead and a shitload of solid fuel propellant. If a TEL or a transport truck carrying a couple of those drives over an anti-tank mine the potential "have a very bad day" radius is probably pretty big.
>>65013850this, Ukraine showed that minefields are strong but as part of defenses not in the middle of nowhere deep into enemy landThis is basically the same as some cluster bomb with a 100% dud rate. Don't know if the village has civilians or it's 100% military but mining a whole vilage probably count as war crime.
>>65015869Not typically. Most modern mines are not going to be tuned to go off on a jet ski for a variety of reasons.
>>65013316to blow up their shit
>>65015901People got in secondaries was not an angle I had considered. That said, I still doubt civillians are crowding around military equipment the way Zeus seems to keep striking them down for the past month.>>65015870They have been there for less than a day. I don't think a sundown timer is the cause of civillian deaths.
>>65015956American mines are programmable, you can set them to go off on whatever you want.
>>65016101Its like you can't read or something.
>>65016138What's wrong with programming them to blow up jetskis?>B-but the Persian Platypus!Fuck them.
>>65016148>What's wrong with programming them to blow up jetskis?Please consult >>65016138
>>65015873>Their drones are GPS guided and the jetskis would get mined, that cuts the problem down to just missiles.The straits re so narrow they could just use fiberoptics to guide the drones.Not sure on the price tag for mines vs. jetskis, but I bet there is a Temu jetski out there that is cheaper than whatever US mine would be used.
>>65016263Okay, so to be clear, American mines CAN be programmed to blow up jetskis. You're claiming that it would be a bad idea to do so. Why do you think that it would be a bad idea?>>65016274What are Iran's fiber optic cable and transceiver production rates like? And has anyone ever made a fiber optic Shahed? They go a lot faster than quadrotors especially during the rocket assisted launch, it might be too much for a single strand of glass fiber.
>>65013316Art of the deal
>>65013316The Gator mine system exists since the 80s. It's entirely possible that the Iranians have already reverse-engineered it.
>>65016372You receive: free air-delivery kf anti-tank minesI receive: free sea minesDeal of the Century.
>>65013914How the fuck would Bellingcat know with any certainty?
>>65016387Because they personally planted those mines, duh?
>>65016391seems rude 2bh
>>65013914>Apparently they were removed from delivery containers to follow AP mines ban.No serious military was a party to that treaty, and several others have withdrawn over the last few years.
>>65013319/thread
>>65013880>AP minesAren't those war crimes? They could kill civilians
>>65016404>No serious military was a party to that treaty>he doesn't know about Obama>in 2014, the Obama administration updated U.S. policy to align with theOttawa Convention (Mine Ban Treaty), prohibiting the use, production, and acquisition of anti-personnel landmines (APL) outside the Korean Peninsula. The policy committed to destroying existing stockpiles not required for South Korea’s defense and banning future use.
>>65013850>Kegsbreathi have zigranian exhaustion
>>65017791I don't disagree with you, its frankly exhausting. THe way everyone can't even hold a discussion anymore and is just able to throw around their "pithy" little names for each other. But I have to admit, there is some irony in Trump being the one to start this trend off back in 2015 and now it coming home to roost in his administration electric bogaloo
>>65017824Where the fuck have you been? This shit goes all the way back to Obama at least and has its start in Dubya or Clinton.
>>65013353What is that balding creature in the back. The one with the paper?
>>65017883The idea that it was this widespread, persistent, or presented in official channels is either gross stupidity, ignorance, or deception. Take your pick.
>>65017824Okay, but Kegsbreath is actually funny. I actually like him as Secretary of Defense, but I still use this because it makes me chuckle.
>>65013316>Drop mines off in a civilian area and not on an active frontlineThis reeks of desperation. Maybe it will hit one or two missile trucks but when it is found out, counter-measures can be taken and they can be identified and dealt with (or run over by some civilian truck). Mines on their own can be dealt with easily but mines together with drones and artillery is what is dangerous. No single weapon system is meant to be deployed on it's own ffs.
>>65018912If the names were more joking/teasing I probably wouldn't mind, but every spits them like venom. And that's just how I usually read "Kegsbreath." Maybe that's not how you meant it but can you really blame me for taking it that way?
>>65018929>This reeks of desperation No, it's just war.
>>65013316>Why would you deploy anti-tank mines deep inside enemy territory?Because the enemy won't expect it?
>>65015076>The activation pressure for one of these is something like 800 lbs. How are multiple people supposed to have already died from them?If a farmer's pickup with the kids in back hits one, that's a whole bunch.
>>65013316For the lolz
>>65015076Apparently some do have anti-tamper arming. Which implies "I touched it and it blew up" rather than 800 lbs. Why they would drop them then? Well in a military area anti-tamper kills military so its a good thing. In an uninformed civilian area the death toll probably huge tbqh
>>65019060I see what you mean, but I think our fundamental issue here is tolerance for abuse. To say civil discourse is worse now than it was in, say, 1940, when racial slurs were common currency in all conversations but public comments by those in power seems to me to be a little silly. Sure I can still call you a nigger on the internet, but it's social suicide to do that in public. I'd be loathe to do it even with people I otherwise trust, because it's such a charged term. You may not like where we are, and I'll give you that, but I don't think it's even close to as bad as where we've been.
>>65020784Its also worse then where we have been. Jumping back to 1940 is pretty disingenious when no one alive today lived through then (practically).
>>65015076>mines were dropped over night on public roads>civy cars drive over mines next morning>boom, boomhow could this happen? truly a mistery.
>>65013316probably to block the land routes out of TEL/missile storage sites, is this really that hard to figure out? do we need to have another round of retarded journos accusing the US of war crimes over this shit?
>>65017883Yeah, I remember when Obama came up with the Crooked Hillary moniker back in the 08 primaries, classic.
>>65013316I could see the value doing this within say a 24 hour window of a ground invasion to hamper response. Considering they are slow as molasses scrambling to get troops ready, there will be ample time to just throw these out of the way.
>>65013713That man is clearly Brazilian
>>65017721But we are not parties to that treaty. The US simply did it to align with current humanitarian policy, but to keep options open. We could start making these almost immediately if it was necessary and we could acquire them on the broader market tomorrow if need be.
>>65017824If the SecDef is going to be a motarded faggot, I'm going to treat him like one.
>>65023559If you run into a retarded person on the street or at your job, do you make up a sophmoric name for them and then spitefully insult them with it every chance you can conceive of?
>>65013830I could absolutely outperform the guy at the top right now because he doesn't have any plan at all
>>65015069I'm going with:D) All three at the same time
>>65015873Drones use GLONASS and beidou, its not as precise as GPS but it doesn't need to be when your target is 300m long and unarmed
>>65023926The problem with GNSS guidance is that you can't really eyeball it. You can have 0.1mm CEP and still miss your target if you have to guess at its coordinates.
>>65016342Iran can get fibre optic cable from china 100%, they already had a strong trading relationship before the war startedI don't know about the shahed launch thing but if it is a problem they can just use slower drones instead
>>65023999Yes, that might be an issue at some point if they're allowed to continue trading with China. I bet large spools of optical fiber are on the list of things that will get chinkships to Iran seized: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/us-special-forces-attack-destroy-chinese-cargo
>>65015076>How are multiple people supposed to have already died from them?They have an anti tamper device that consists of a compass, if you move the mine it will detonate.
>>65023871not him but yes
>>65013316Prep for a solo invasion
>>65024193We didn't want help from those teamkilling retards anyway.
>>65024193Not gonna happen
>>65024193>media reportsOh wow, this is really serious
>>65015076people standing out in the open? they're physical objects being dropped from the sky, if you get hit by one you're going to die.
>>65023871I am him, and yes. Stop acting like a dork and you won't be treated like one. Every grunt thinks he's a fucking dork after being forced to listen to his shitty speech.
>>65024193Smart move desu, get your stupid golem to engage and get him too invested so he can't not escalate
>>65024187>>65024537You both must be real a real hit at parties.
>>65015069Apparently one flew through a window and killed an old woman in her hitchen. Another landed next to a pickup truck parked in a driveway. The owner of the truck went out of his house to remove it and it exploded.
>>65026052Apparently your mom can't get enough of sucking my dick and taking it up the ass.
