Turns out it was just ahead of its time
>>65015233Like drones and cruise missiles in general, it was over-hyped in relation to the amount of damage it actually did. Bombardment can't win wars.
>>65015233Not really.Guidance was laughable, it was interceptable (with WW2 technology) and it depended on fixed launch platforms.If you posted images of an A4/V2, you might have a point you could make.
>>65015304Wrong. For the regime that fielded them and mid-40s weapon designs they were each equally ineffective.In the long run almost a century later, both V-weapons, as pieces of technology hardware, were extremely influential on modern missile warfare.>>65015267>Bombardment can't win warsTrue but it makes up a major component still of modern post-WWI warfare. 'Winning' a war means total surrender of the belligerent entity/side/regime along with military occupation of that nation. (Or at least, in centuries of history that's what it meant)
>>65015335>>65015304The v-1 achieved the same effect as the 'blitz in a quarter of the time, but with nowhere near the latters' cost of resources, personnel or morale, and from a position in which germany was constantly retreating and couldn't even afford to conduct surveilance to choose their targets.I honestly think their effect is historically underrated because the numbers made strategic bombing obsolute overnight, much like the v-2s made nuclear bombers a backup option at best compared to ballistic missiles, but strategic air command still wanted to run the show.
>>65017050>The v-1 achieved the same effect as the 'blitz in a quarter of the time, b>10 km CEap>effectCall me when it got GPS.
>>65015233It was so far ahead of it's time it was shit because the technology to make it accurate was too expensive for a one way trip.
>>65017078Would gps work without satelites orbiting the earth? Because the germans didn't have those at the time. The 8 mile cep from gyroscopic guidance was reduced to a 400 meter cep with radio guidance, but the germans couldn't use radio guidance because the british were able to jam and spoof their radio signals, just like they had done in the later days of the blitz (and gps can be spoofed/jammed by any competent military). They could only rely on british newspapers to figure out where the v1's were landing, newspapers the british were doctoring to try to get the germans to send the v1's over uninhabited areas. "In a memo dated March 1, 1946, designed to summarize the development of the JB-2, Proving Ground Command presented the following conclusions, somewhat inflated: the preset mechanically controlled version of the JB-2 could carry an armed warhead up to 150 miles at 400 miles per hour with a 50 percent accuracy rate within a 5 mile radius of target center which rendered it, “suitable for area bombing of cities or other large areas;” and, “The remotely controlled version of the JB-2 is limited to distances of 100 miles. Consistent hits are possible within an area ½ mile square.” The memo asserted that the initial development phase of the JB-2 had been completed as provided for under the original expenditure order.86 "
>>65015267Bombardment absolutely can win wars, its simply that most wars before and since WW1/WW2 have been conflicts of measured brutality and not total wars of extermination fought against existential threats to society.You can win a war by bombardment by continuing to bombard until every last person in a nation is dead, or until all civilization has broken down and people start starving to death and/or dying of cholera because sewage has begun to mix with all the clean sources of water. You can salt the earth to make sure crops can never be grown there again, or just anthrax the entire population. We simply haven't been fighting those wars because we reached the age where more land does not necessarily equal more profit decades ago.Nobody wants to administrate or be responsible for rebuilding Shitskinistan, Chinkazoid, or Paco's Tacos. If we bomb everybody there, we have to do something with it, if we just fight for direct strategic goals in a limited manner we can just declare victory and go home.
>>65015267Bongs manipulated media reports when eg London was hit so that the Doodlebugs would hit the countryside next time
>>65017137That is the point accuracy made it completely useless.Shaheds have 10 m cep via Sat Nav yland you can't turn off because there are 3 major sat nav operational (GPS, Beidou, Magellan) all from different political powers that hate each other.
>>65015233That was known even during WW2. The V-1 was actually quite cost effective, because of how cheap it was to build, and because of its indirect impact on the war, and the reallocation of resources.
>>65017050>The v-1 achieved the same effect as the 'blitzThe effect being to annoy the brits and harden their resolve? Great.
>>65017424>The V-1 was actually quite cost effectiveIt wasn't because of CEP. Cost of target destruction was exorbitant because of low accuracy.
>>65015267wrong, bombardment can win warshttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/Rotterdam_Blitz>In 1940, Rotterdam was subjected to heavy aerial bombardment by the Luftwaffe during the German invasion of the Netherlands during the Second World War. >The psychological and the physical success of the raid, from the German perspective, led the Oberkommando der Luftwaffe (OKL) to threaten to destroy the city of Utrecht if the Dutch command did not surrender. The Dutch surrendered in the late afternoon of 14 May and signed the capitulation early the next morning.[4]
>>65015233>Overhyped>>65015233It was also launched by bombers, They also had smart munitions and AA missiles
>>65017429It probably was. It was incredibly cheap to build, unlike the V-2, and the western Allies were forced to reallocate resources to defending against it, and trying to destroy the V-1 production facilities and launch sites. Unlike bombers, you also didn't risk the lives of your men (with some exceptions), and bombers were already known for being notoriously inaccurate, which is why the Anglos relied so heavily on carpet bombing.
>>65015233it wasnt it couldn't hit shit
You're all fat.
>>65017449No bomber had 10 km CEP. You could've launch entire Germany V-1 supply and never achieve such results.
>>65017562>couldn't hit shitYou could predict which country it would hit.Europe isn't Utah.
>>65017573>No bomber had 10 km CEP. All rules have exceptions.
>>65015233>germans were the harbinger of modern warwhat else is new
>>65017419Wouldn't be hard to navigate by sat maps either if all GPS forms were jammed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_TDR
>>65017050That v1 achieved the same as the blitz says much more about the impotence of the luftwaffe over the isles more than anything. Neither actually achieved strategic impacts with their damage (unless you count “pissing off bomber Harris”. That had some impacts)
>>65017429It was worsened by intelligence being compromised.
>>65017997Do you just not know any history at all? The "blitz" started out as a success when they were targeting airfields. It only failed when they started to target civilian areas, due to a massive fuckup and petty revenge bullshit from both sides.
>>65015267>bombardment can't win wars
>>65019616Correct, without the slavic hordes germany could have spammed more flak
>>65019623Imagine how much more lethal anti-aircraft fire from 8.8cm and 10.5cm flak cannon's would have been if Germany had been able to create reliable proximity fuse projectiles. No wonder the allies prohibited their use in the European theatre, if a dud fell into German hands they would have reverse engineered it and deployed it the next day.
>>65015304The guidance was pretty shit considering Bongs could fly their planes up to them and tip the wings causing them to crash>>65017427>Annoy the BongsThey were effective was as a psychological weapon because they made a scary noise letting people know death was approaching. The V-2s were the annoying ones because you wouldn't know it had hit you till after you were dead.
>>65015233>meme weapon that cost them the warAhead of its time, indeed.
