What happened to laser sights? When I was a kid there was nothing more bad ass than to have a laser on your gun. Now everyone just wants a flashlight and a scope and maybe a silencer.
>>65016280>What happened to laser sights?They became cheap, good, and readily available in a variety of styles? Like, what's your problem anon?If you're talking handguns specifically, point and shoot unfortunately isn't as appreciated overall right now as a lot of us think it should be. But that's very literally other people's problem not ours.
>>65016280the military only uses IR lasers so they don't give away their position and red dots just work better than lasers. I think the only people who might use visible lasers are cops/swat and they wouldn't be using them to shoot, more like enhanced brandishing to try to get someone to surrender>why don't normal people use them for thatbecause brandishing and warning shots are a crime. Do not draw outside your home unless you plan on shooting, you don't need to always shoot, but the gun shouldn't come out if you aren't planning on immediately shooting
>>65016286Gun press doesn't talk about it. Gun youtube doesn't discuss it. The only time I'm reminded that they exist is when I watch an old movie.
>>65016290So basically they are used by cops as a IRL substitute for the "clack-clack" sound that guns make in movies when the movie cop needs to show this is sewwious, but no real people do that because real people have to actually follow the law?
>>65016280Tactictards are trying to gaslight people into thinking that lasers on handguns are useless, which is why you don't see them as often as we used to.
>>65016286>point and shoot unfortunately isn't as appreciated overall right nowthis is basically it. the idea of firing at something without using your sights goes against all currently accepted sensibilities, obviously it literally wouldn't matter as a properly zeroed laser is just as safe as using sights, but nonetheless the principle of firing from the hip triggers alarm bells outside of cowboy action matches.
>>65016280>What happened to laser sights?People just don't talk about them because red dots were the next big thing to talk about. Red dots eventually took over a vast majority of the market share, but lasers are still filling a niche that people want from them>but no real people do that because real people have to actually follow the law?Pointing a weapon at someone is a form of intimidation and you can get into serious state and federal hot water over it. Context also matters in this case but don't point a gun at your neighbor because you're pissed his dog is shitting in your yard and using a pistol mounted laser to indicate that you control his life at that moment versus pointing a weapon at a violent burgler and using a laser sight to indicate that his life is in your hands.
On that note does anyone know of any good laser sights or reddit + laser combo that are visible in daylight?
>>65016336>reddit + laser combo????
>>65016303when a cop brandishes it's >de-escalationwhen you brandish it's technically assault. Like my state literally defines brandishing as aggravated assault. I think others do to because I think assault is usually intent to cause harm and battery is just hitting someone
>>65016343>>65016356Sir please stop posting
>>65016343flashlight = reddit
>>65016364>(4) Knowingly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life points a firearm, as defined in subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-1, at or in the direction of another, whether or not the actor believes it to be loaded; orhttps://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/title-2c/section-2c-12-1/you're a faggot and an ESL
>>65016371That text is not in your link. Weird sir....
>>65016336I've got a set of 1911 laser grips that came with a rebate for another little rail laser from crimson trace I put on my 92x sometimes, I've been happy with both.
>>65016385scroll down you fucking retarded thirdie
>>65016399Now read what that actually means before going full sperg here.
>>65016290Brandishing isn't a crime in a self-defense situation.
>>65016417you are an ESL sperg retard >>65016421>>65016417it's the same shit as shooting a warning shot. if you put a laser on someone you didn't fear for your life so there's no reason to assault them. if you fire a warning shot you didn't fear for your life
>>65016291That's because the weapons of old Hollywood movies are the purely aesthetic constructions of urbanite jews, made at a time when even professional people-shooters had much less defined an idea of what functionality a firearm needed than they do todaytl;dr lasers were never good, they're just not cool either now
>>65016428>if you put a laser on someone you didn't fear for your life so there's no reason to assault them. if you fire a warning shot you didn't fear for your lifeCorrect. It can be assumed that no reasonable person in fear for their life or the lives of others would sit there aiming a gun at someone that they genuinely thought was about to hurt or kill them
>>65016280I have one on my edc, I do wish I had a light and a dot too but honestly it's not that hard to just turn on your phone light if youre looking for something in the dark and the laser is good enough for aiming unless it's really bright or the target is far away. All three provide a different benefit and all are situationally useful. Honestly if you get into VR the versatility of a laser becomes a lot more apparent for shooting from unusual positions in close quarters but I doubt most people are doing VR or would accept that it counts as any sort of training.>>65016290>brandishing and warning shots are a crimeI've pulled my gun in front of people on three separate occasions, do you think the average retard you have to draw a gun on is going to want the police involved at all? They're obviously already in the wrong and probably have warrants or substances on their persons, they dont call the police, they just fuck off and nothing happens because no one else gives a shit that you had to put a retard in their place.
So I recently started asking myself this question when I did my ar pistol build. I was researching decent lazer options and I came across a reddit thread of someone asking for budget lazers and reddit being reddit, op was getting flamed for even asking because according to reddit "lazers are a useless meme". The only real reason anyone gave was that civilian weapon mounted lazers aren't very visible in daylight because they legally have to be below a certain power rating. Well i ended up buying a lazer for my ar pistol because fuck stupid reddit advice and my gun will most likely be used at night. I bought this guy:https://www.amazon.com/Ade-Advanced-Optics-Strobe-Handgun/dp/B0716YRB7J/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_pp?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.uGZp-iC7prjp04T589NhYw6k9LZUlIDc4_HeNcd2Jjn2UvmYq3_Y-hh2OmJcjpe076drCckstueUxMvOt80uzCk8yD8YBWI7Sd2xxkaUbaWYUtwB_QW6XHT2wJLPOEYVRKzXJGM3_sfaYgcKSCn_WgLOpwDnRdTfoF-QoB28hZUPu6BycJOEfvw0AK0KszTkxIm56IdkU8FZAaQHYNeBcA.gTdUxlTE-lY47wznaFPKb7xvLzR-D9wn5ooaUDPWSpQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=ade&qid=1774676330&sr=8-1Unfortunately havent gotten to test if it holds zero yet, but it feels pretty high quality for being a cheapo lazer. I have started asking myself about lazer tactics because the "highly trained professionals" wont give any answers. My thought is that they're best used for very up close encounters where you don't have a ton of space to aim down sights but still want to know what you are going to hit. I think in most situations if a threat is far away, then you probably have enough time to properly aim down sights. Although I do think you could use a flashlight in the same way by putting the center of the beam on what youre shooting. If i had to choose one or the other, I'd pick a flashlight, but I could get both so I got both.
>>65016280>What happened to laser sights?"Deagle wit beemz" happened.
>>65016280Lasers are a point shooting aid, and point shooting died in the late 80s. Hearing old accounts of MACV and SAS guys being able to magdump rounds into a bullseye firing from the hip suggest that its not completely without value if you're proficient at it, but its nonetheless out of fashion and as a result tools to assist with it are too.
>>65016280I'd say that lasers have just found their place.Lasers (in the civilian sense), were the hot new thing so some people wanted to put them on everything, when in reality they were mainly suitable for just a few things, primarily CC handguns. However, the old gas pulsed lasers of olde simply could NOT be made that small, so it's only with later solid state diode lasers and better battery tech that lasers on carry guns could actually excel.To me, the Kel-Tec P32 is the perfect kind of gun to put a laser on, but it would fit just as well on something like a Glock 19 or M&P Shield, because modern lasers are so compact and unobtrusive.>>65016286Point shooting IS underappreciated.>>65016290Brandishing in response to an overt threat of violence isn't generally illegal, and not on the same level as a warning shot.If you're being threatened and you draw your gun, and the offender then does the first smart thing in that situation and runs away, that was brandishing and you did it under the correct circumstances and with the ideal outcome.
>>65016322I think it just needs to be clarified where point shooting fits and under what circumstances, and that you also obviously still need to practice with using your sights as well.A zeroed laser really helps make it safer and clearer.>>65016356>>65016371>>65016399>>65016428You fucking mongoloid. OF COURSE IT'S A CRIME IF YOU AREN'T CREDIBLY THREATENED.But that's not the only circumstance that you can brandish, you can be threatened with violence and you draw your gun, fully ready to shoot, but if the guy then runs off, the situation is resolved and it's over.You brandished, but you brandished legally, you did not need to shoot him, and in fact shooting him as he's fleeing would have been the actually illegal course of action.
>>65016874>and point shooting died in the late 80sThis is partially Massad Ayoob's fault, the old faggot.
>>65016758>but honestly it's not that hard to just turn on your phone light if youre looking for something in the darkWhy don't you carry an actual flashlight?
>>65016399Any violence or threat is a crime if it’s not proven to be self defense.
>>65017259I do get the zesty vibe from that guy. It could just be me detecting high levels of boomer tho.
>>65016280I've got a shitty laser I bought for my airsoft glock 25 years ago. I have no clue if it's a piece of shit specifically made for airsoft, or if similar or identical to something you'd put on a real gun. I would assume the former.
>>65017349I found the box, but not the laser. It's airsoft chinkshit.
>>65016832>incomprehensible /pol/ babblingThis sounds like it refers to something but I don't know what. Can someone who is online a lot but not as much as this guy, but more so than me, explain this in plain english to a normie?
>>65017434I think it means you're a cunt.
>What happened to laser sights?People found out they just suck overall.
lasers are an unreliable aiming medium unless you can see the entire beam, which can only happen sometimes.
>>65018356It's the opposite. You look at the dot. If you can see the beam, whoever you're trying to kill will know where you are.It looks cool in movies, but it's not something you'd want in real life.
>>65017259Ayoob was never in a gun fight. Never in a shooting of any kind. Never had to use his weapon as law enforcement. He claimed he once was three on one in an alley shooting but it's completely bullshit and nobody can confirm it. Ayoob took a career in the sticks and somehow got elevated to top training officer and "expert" on firearms even though it's obvious he doesn't actually know shit or have any real skills. Point shooting is vital in combat and close engagement. Putting the first round downrange is a big up. Putting the first round on target is a big advantage. Being able to draw and put a round on target then follow it up with a vital or cns controlled pair should be everyone's sop
>>65016828Ol' tyme operators used to strap maglights to the claw mounts on their MP5s because if you're in a dark building you can use the light as a laser to aim since aiming with the gas mask was hard>>65017251you're a fucking retard. if you try to solve a threat via brandishing and shining a laser on someone you didn't fear for your life because why would you shine a laser instead of just shoot him? it's the same as a warning shot you fucking no guns, thirdie moron.
Lasers were never really reliable at getting an accurate shot, then red dots came out making lasers even more worthless
>>65018809>Lasers were never really reliable at getting an accurate shotPost gunz
>>65018809>Lasers were never really reliable at getting an accurate shotSure they are, I only have experience with a friend's Holosun unit but that one has a POI exactly where you point it out to 100mI think the bigger problem compared to red dots is that the units are bigger by necessity (if you go above pistol size), have a range limit, are less eye safe and have clunkier controls
>>65016280>What happened to laser sights?It turns out they suck in any situation that isn't a movie.>>65016356Texas penal code doesn't mention brandishing by name, but does state that displaying your gun in a threatening manner is perfectly ok in any situation where deadly force is otherwise justified, and doing this is not considered an escalation.
>>65016290fed cops were lighting commies up in portland with lasers. i guess designators are visible when they contact, so you see the dot but not the beam? no idea. pretty funny watching white niggers run because their shit is getting highlighted.
>>65019575Are you so fucking retarded you don't know how lasers work?
>>65018806Shut the fuck up you nigger retard.
>>65018809Lasers can be zeroed, and will maintain that zero, you absolute doublenigger.
>>65019556>Texas penal code doesn't mention brandishing by name, but does state that displaying your gun in a threatening manner is perfectly ok in any situation where deadly force is otherwise justified, and doing this is not considered an escalation.Buh, no, uh, you're just a noguns thirdie, everbody knows I'm right and you're wrong!
>>65017309>Why don't you carry your gun, your knife, your wallet, your zyns, your car keys, your phone (with flashlight), and another flashlight on top of it in your pants with maybe 4 pockets?Its usually like 90-100 degrees out here until its below freezing during mid winter, I dont usually have spare pockets on me for a superfluous item
>>65021637>that timenot my fault you are a no gunz thirdie retard who doesn't understand US law you fucking moron.
>>65023623>>65019556
>>65023625>>65021654you aren't from texas, thirdie. you replied to a post at like 6 am texas time. you're from some third world nonUS country, homo
>>65023086>carrying goynip
>>65016280Sarah Conner lived and had Kyle's baby, John. For better or worse, this changed the future. Imagine what could have been?
>>65018806Despite what cops say when they get dragged into court for excessive force, it is in fact possible to fear for your life without choosing to mag dump
>>65023086>your phone (with flashlight)Which gets completely and unequivocally mogged by even $30 flashlights from decent brands.>zynsThat's the real superfluous item
>>65016280The new thing became the old thing and people just stopped thinking about it.
>>65016291a few drill rappers mention it.
>>65025130>drill rapThat's still a thing?
>>65016280Lasers are still a thing, everyone just stopped pretending they were sights and now we don't put them in places where they will obscure the target.
Night vision, LEDs.More nuanced view, gun safety became a greater consideration for civilian shooters then survival. People no longer just pull their guns on each other, the laser encouraged civilians to flag targets.
>>65028901visible lasers aren't super common on privately owned guns. military and privately owned night vision enabled guns will have ir lasers. I think LEO guns are the only ones that still use visible lasers
I still contend that lasers reached perfection once we got small solid state ones, so you could put them on compact carry guns as a point shooting aid.>12+1rds of 9mm>aluminum frame with manual safety>single-action and hammer fired>compact and sleekSome may prefer a red dot instead, but it doesn't quite do all the same things.
>>65028838idk, so far as I know most of its adherents died out.
