Given Puccia's experience with getting aircraft nuked in unprotected areas, is this configuration of US assets in Saudi Arabia ideal?
>>65017339Your shilling post isn't super subtle Ching Pong Han, but yeah the gap between the west and wannabes is so large that even if we aren't the most efficient, we win. But anyway, we will adapt, It takes time for us to adapt because of the inertia of the democratic system, not that you would understand that since all you do is lie and hide mistakes
Get a few hundreeds of this, give them doppler radar and scatter them from the most likely angle of approach for enemy drones and missiles, Better yet also a good quality thermal camera for target detection.Add in a few low cost manpads like the strela.The remaining threats can be covered by high cost expensive interceptors for balistic missiles and aircrafts.Also remaining mobile is a big plus see how ukraine protects its airforceBy using long highways are runaways
>>65017452>By using long highways are runawaysmight work for small fighter jets. but none of those aircrafts in op are small fighter jets.
>>65017464Than get a good number of AAA that will shred small drones flying nape of the earth and manpads for cruise missiles.And hide planes inside tents multiple tents so if the coming missile has like tomahawk IRR it has to guess in which tent the aircraft is, or get good warning on fired missiles and get airborne immediatly.You just cant hope to shoot down every single balistic missile thoughAlso a gepard or similar piece of AA near the ground for small fpv stuff like spider web to give soldiers just enough time to take out manpads to target those drones.
>>65017476If it isnt obvious you should ofcourse make the airbase larger so as too increase the target area the enemy can try to hit, like with infantry and foxholes.Relocate when sat recon isnt there, or use smoke screens, decoys,Etc etc.
Just build a huge concrete dome over the entire airfield.
>>65017339https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/25/us/politics/iran-us-bases.html>The lack of better planning, some military officials said, also reflects a miscalculation on the part of the administration about how Iran would respond. The Trump administration did not reduce staffing at American embassies and other facilities in the region before the war started, or order departures for nonessential government employees and family members. Nor did the State Department warn Americans to steer clear of the region until after the war began.>Two former U.S. officials briefed on military operations said there were no reinforced roofs on command centers at Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia, where one service member was killed and several others were wounded in an attack.>Military officials say that American refueling tankers were rushed to the war with little time to orient or practice in the region before getting thrown into the round-the-clock operations. Two American KC-135 tankers collided this month, leading to deaths of six service members. A Central Command spokesman said that incident is under investigation.
>>65017443>even if we aren't the most efficient, we win.This.We should stop being sloppy but we can afford to be for now.
>>65017550>the US didnt signal the attack Yeah, generally its a good idea to do that.
>>65017608>planning and preparedness is bad, actuallyhmm interesting
>>65017339America has NEVER had to deal with the possibility of long range munitions raining down onto their tanker fleet and decided to learn literally NOTHING from the war in Ukraine.Considering the current caliber of leader we have in the secretary of WAR, don't expect any quick or competent adaptations to these developments either.
>>65017614Who said there was no planning and preparedness? 28,000 Americans were brought back home within a week, 43,000 since the start of the conflict. Not telegraphing your plays, is generally a good thing. Evacing non-essential staff and civilians is a pretty big telegraph. Midwit.
>>65017339The best protection would be a tunnel in the mountain to store the planes like the Iranians did, it wouldn't even cost that much
>>65017620>Who said there was no planning and preparednessreality saysStrait is closed, 100% of the reason we're over there at all is because of the oil and gas. Now that shit isn't moving because Dumbfuck McRetard started a war with no thought on how to keep the strait open without ground troops.
>>65017619>Iran has been able to destroy three (3) strategic enablers >THIS IS SUPER MEANINGFUL There is nothing to learn from Ukraine. >Sec. War is a dum dum so thats why Sec War is not responsible for operational planning. This isn't the Third Reich, Trump and Hegseth aren't standing around a big map moving assets around.
>>65017626>we've been planning for this for 40 years and no one ever thought Iran would close the straight You're not a midwit, you're a subwit.
>>65017631>This isn't the Third Reich, Trump and Hegseth aren't standing around a big map moving assets aroundWho wants to tell him?
>>65017641Yes yes, the man on the screen said so, so that's what's happening.
>>65017648Are you calling Trump a liar? >:(
>>65017654While I appreciate that you're very upset with the current POTUS. I regret to inform you that neither he, nor Sec. Def. is responsible for tactical decision making on the ground. Planning for OP's comes from CENTCOM who controls United States Air Forces Central (where strategic enablers come from). Naval OP's is handled by the United States Naval Forces Central Command. Look, I get it. Orange man bad. But you're on /k/ and you're expected to actually have some knowledge on these sorts of things. Arguing like a woman does nothing other than make you look like a trannie who spiked too much estrogen this morning.
>>65017631>There is nothing to learn from Ukraine.>there is nothing to learn from the largest, highest-intensity peer conflict since ww2and this how we get €2.50 for a liter of gas
>>65017667Thats how YOU get to that price. Its $0.98 per "liter" where I'm at. >there is nothing to learn from the largest, highest-intensity peer conflict since ww2Yes. We ran most of the war for them and they dont use the equipment we have.
>>65017631The fuck you talking about? Iran has knocked out nearly every single radar in CENTCOM so now we're literally flying in E-2 Hawkeyes in a desperate attempt to shore up radar capability.And yes, the SecDef does has an influence on operational planning through appointments, and guess who's been going on a heckin chungus """""wokeness DEI purge""""" in the lead up to this disaster of a war?
>>65017664ok but the US isn't suffering tactical defeats, it's suffering a strategic defeat because it can't secure the single most important narrow waterway on the planet and there is no currently feasible way to secure that waterway without ground troops.
>>65017675>Iran has knocked out nearly every single radar in CENTCOM>so now we're literally flying in E-2 Hawkeyes in a desperate attempt to shore up radar capability.HUGE if true. Link? >>65017676>muh Hormuz! Absolute cope.
>>65017443>>65017596That's a poor way of thinking, during Desert Storm the US stacked all advantages it could, from bringing a massive coalition of allies to large Operational deception maneuvers, the military planners at the time didn't care that it "wasn't needed" to win in the end, they conducted warfare at the highest possible level.
>>65017677I'm arguing with a bot again, aren't I?https://www.twz.com/air/navy-e-2d-hawkeye-radar-planes-appear-to-be-rushing-to-the-middle-east
>>65017675>the SecDef does has an influence on operational planning through appointmentsActually, how it works is POTUS picks a name from a shortlist that gets made by the Joint Chiefs. Whomever POTUS picks then gets grilled and confirmed by the Senate. and FYI the current top-dog at CENTCOM is Admiral Brad Cooper who has been involved in that role since 2021. Again, this is /k/, you're expected to know these things.
>>65017677how is that a cope?the US knows that the Iranians could threaten the straight as a way to try and pressure themthe US started the war without the assets it would need to try and secure it so now there's hardly any ships going trough and the few that do bribed Iran
>>65017685>a bunch of Hawkeyes are flying around the US >thus they are being rushed to the Gulf >thus all radars are down >thus its being used to compensate for those radars
>stop treating Americans differently from everyone else>they turn into ziggersuncs stuck in denial
>>65017693>Iran closing the straight to apply pressure indirectly on the US is a strategic defeat >Iran's navy, airforce, nuclear program, missile program, armaments industry and most of its senior leadership being in the past tense is not The US has been wargaming this out for 40 years. They know the straight is going to be closed. The fact that they are doing it the way they are, suggests that they simply don't care. I would guess they think the short-term pain is worth the long-term gain. But please, do continue panicking.
>>65017619responsibility flows upwards especially when you purged the officer corps in order to start an unwise war
>>65017705>PURGED officer corps Pray tell, how many officers have been "purged"?
>>65017339Something like Spiderweb takes time but with how retarded this whole thing is I could see the planes still sitting like that 6 months from now while Trump insists the Saudis pay for hardened shelters.>I'm saving us money, please ignore the burning airframes
>>65017702thy have been war gaming it for 40 yearsyou aren't going to tell me that those war games involved only 2 carriers one of them on extended deploymentthis operation is rushed and the straight being closed, staying closed, is an consequence of thatin no way was the result of 40 years of war gaming "lol just let Iran impose it's will over the straights until the cows come home"
>>65017702>>Iran's navy, airforce, nuclear program, missile program, armaments industry and most of its senior leadership being in the past tense is notThis propaganda is the best. The most delusional cope imaginable constantly spouted on a daily basis by the highest echelons of power and repeated endlessly by braindead drones despite it being so clearly, objectively wrong.>suggests that they simply don't care.There are many reports that say that the US was totally surprised by Iran doing the logical thing and closing Hormuz.
>>65017709>"lol just let Iran impose it's will over the straights until the cows come home"Whom is imposing more will? Iran by placing economic pressure on non-combatants or the United States bombing Iran with total impunity? >b... but you didn't muster your forces over months and thus didn't signal the strikes, and thus did not give the Iranians the opportunity to disperse and engage in mosaic warfare Yes.
>>65017712>it being so clearly, objectively wrong.If its clearly and objectively wrong, surely you can prove it to be wrong? >There are many reportsAh yes, "reports" I'm so terribly sorry the US doesnt care about your war.
>>65017715Iran has been "totally destroyed" for nearly a month now yet can still project power over the entirety of the Middle East and force the world super power to run their war from fuckin Europe. Hard to imagine how dangerous they'd be if they weren't totally destroyed lmao.>w-w-we don't care about the warBiblical levels of copium.
>>65017720>for nearly a month now yet can still project power over the entirety of the Middle EastYeah, okay bud.
>>65017723this chart will be fun once it's a few hundred columns long
>>65017702old pentagon was wargaming it. old pentagon is no more and got purged.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/21/us/politics/trump-fires-cq-brown-pentagon.html>The decision to fire Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., a four-star fighter pilot, broke a tradition in which the Joint Chiefs chairman remains in place with a new president.>General Caine retired with three stars, as a lieutenant general. By statute, anyone picked to be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is supposed to have served as a combatant commander, as the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or as the top uniformed officer of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps or Space Force.>It was unclear whether General Caine would need a congressional waiver; a congressional aide said the president had some latitude to choose whom he wanted and that exceptions could be made for national security reasons.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/12/us/politics/admiral-alvin-holsey-retires-boat-strikes.html>The admiral had abruptly announced that he would step down as the head of the U.S. Southern Command. His departure leaves several issues about the strikes unanswered.>[...] one current and one former U.S. official, as well as a congressional official, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss personnel matters, said Admiral Holsey had raised concerns early in the mission about the attacks on the alleged drug boats, which started in September.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/27/us/politics/hegseth-generals-promotion.html>The top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee sharply criticized Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Friday for blocking the promotion of four Army officers — two Black men and two women — to be one-star generals.>Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island said Mr. Hegseth’s intervention in an Army promotion matter violated rules that promotions in the military services should be based on “individual merit and demonstrated performance.”
>>65017725I believe the phrase you previously used was>Biblical levels of copium
>>65017709It's amazing how internet "analysts" think they know better than actual analysts who not only have decades to work out this problem, but are actually paid to do so.In all likelihood, this operation was going to happen when certain conditions were met, which was likely knowing the location of Iran's leadership and locations of missile sites.Was it rushed? NOPE. We've let Iran do this shit for 50 years. The only thing surprising is we let them do so without consequences until now. >>65017712>There are many reports that say that the US was totally surprised by Iran doing the logical thing and closing Hormuz.You think it's logical, but it's not. Closing the straight hurts the country that needs it the most: Iran. But, but, but, but Iran is letting their ships go through! Yeah, so? The longer this goes on the more countries get pissed at Iran. We can easily kill their ability to use to straight just as easily and it will hurt them a lot more.
>>65017729>old pentagon is no more and got purged.>source: Two senior officers retired Uh huh.
>>65017713so you are saying that this is the best that US war gaming could come up with in the past 40 yearsthis operation is going exactly as intended and there aren't any problems at allGod we are fucked the chinks are going to take over the world
>65017712Why can’t they make their own memes? They just copy everyone else.
>>65017734>heh the best you could do was gain total air dominance, kill 50+ senior leaders, destroy their navy and airforce, degrade their offensive capabilities by ~98%, utterly destroy their nuclear program and most of their MIC
>>65017443>the westyou are no longer the west, tho
>>65017744>brown
>>65017733>fire the highest ranking US soldier and replace him with dei hire that doesn't even have four-starsUh huh, that's totally normal
>>65017732so letting them close down the straight for close to a month is part of the planletting them hit energy infrastructure in allied countries is part of the planand letting them openly mock your terms is also a part of the planhow are the strikes on Iran's energy grid going btw?
>>65017749>omg the enemy also gets a say in a war? Total failure!
>>65017753obv.remember ten years ago, we already had conquered all of iraq by this time. a hyper power like us has higher expectations.
>>65017761>us
>>65017744Oh no, discussions! Iran must be winning!>>65017749It's obvious to everyone what Iran would do if attacked. Iran has spent 50 years building up it's navy (destroyed), air force (destroyed), ballistic missiles (destroyed) but please tell me how because we haven't (yet) destroyed their energy grid that Iran is totally winning this. I guess it's a good thing that Iran destroyed their own water resources so the US couldn't do that for them, right?
>>65017775>akchually its only air supremacy not air dominance Okay
>>65017742that's very impressive tacticallybut it doesn't open up the straights so again was going into this with just one fully functional carrier and with the straights closed for a month a part of the plans?if it was, is that really the best the US can do?if it wasn't is it because the operation was rushed>>65017753the last half a dozen times the US decided to resort to violence and wasn't rushed the other side didn't get shit to say about itnow clearly the other side does get to weigh incould it be because the operation was rushed?
>>65017775>Iran is totally winning because they can threaten civilian oil tankersThat convinced me of muslim superiority
>>65017775>Pools closedIis though ?
>>65017550Tl;dr, cheeto thought this was gonna be Venezuela 2.0. And then the Iranians actually started fighting back.
>>65017778>but it doesn't open up the straightsWhich presumes that the straights always being open is a victory condition. I understand that you're deeply biased, for whatever reason, but you need to accept the fact that maybe the straights being closed for a period of time is the price of achieving larger objectives. > was rushedBeen addressed, repeatedly.
>>65017774for a country with everything destroyed they sure are still keeping that straight closed they also got Trump to TACO on hitting the energy grid by promising to hit the gulfstates desalination and hydrocarbon infrastructure again if they have been beaten to the point where the no longer pose a threat, why not go for the kill shot?
>>65017783>the Iranians actually started fighting back.
man I'm just laughing here watching the same imperial hubris Russians show about their SMO being repeated almost verbatim by Americans. You people are a disgrace. 4 years to learn the importance of reinforced hangars, moving assets around, setting up decoys and improvised runways, before the beginning of a war we chose to start. I'm glad I'm out and I pity the grunts we're going to send in half-assed to salvage something that should never have been.What's the endstate, Donnie? What is the mission? stopping nukes from being developed? Changing the government? Just reopening the strait? Just keeping our presence alive in the region? Who the fuck knows? It keeps changing every week like Monke's goals. This was supposed to end this week, now we're already asking for truces? Get the fuck out of here.
>>65017744If your main strategic deterrence is disruption to the global economy then negotiating the end of disruption to the global economy goes against your best interest. In what scenario does Europe, who isn't a participant to the is conflict, have anything to offer in negotiation that would make up for Iran agreeing to cripple its strategy?
>>65017635Well evidently nobody in the current admin ever thought about it when they started this shitshow and signed off on what would be the most half-cocked military operation of this century if it wasn't for the ziggers' shitshow four years ago.
>>65017786>By an objective measure, they are in fact winning
>>65017672>We ran most of the war for them and they dont use the equipment we haveYou don't even speak English.
>>65017761>remember ten years ago, we already had conquered all of iraq by this timeOver 20 years agoIran isn't a flat desert with 20 millions people bordered by our allies.It's a 80 millions people covered in mountains on the border of the only country we might launch a ground invasion from.Assuming we even want a ground invasion.We are still fuzy as to why we are bombing them this time.
>>65017796
>>65017443>>65017550>>65017619An E-3 Sentry got hit too: https://theaviationist.com/2026/03/27/iranian-attack-on-prince-sultan-air-base/The US only has 16 E-3's at the start of this conflict: https://www.twz.com/air/major-deployment-of-rickety-e-3-sentry-fleet-for-iran-crisis-highlights-worrisome-gaps
>>65017779Sorry but it ain't me how made this definition.>air superiority to be the degree ‘in the air battle of one force over another which permits the conduct of operations by the former and its related land, SEA, and air forces at a given time and place WITHOUT PROHIBITIVE INTERFERENCE by the OPPOSING STATE opposing force.When US would be able to stop Iranian drones and move tankers through Hormuz Strait THEN US will have air superiority there.Right know US don't have that.
>>65017672>We ran most of the war for them Utterly incorrect and delusional.>and they dont use the equipment we haveUtterly irrelevant.You understand less than nothing about war, so kindly stop pretending otheriwse, retard.
>>65017800>You don't even speak English.Bitter pill to swallow I know but the US did in fact run most of the Ukrainian war for them.
>>65017785>closed for a period of timeI'm not denying thatbut we are past that period of time>Been addressedjust saying it wasn't isn't addressing iteverything else including statements made by the administration point towards itbut you say it isn't so it isn't
>>65017797The war is being run from American bases in Europe and bombers are taking off from UK runways. They are a participant in this war.Iran easing the pain for more hard gains is hardly the most absurd strategy. They can ask for cash (in glorious Yuan of course), sanctions relief, or even kicking the US out of their bases. Spain will likely get relief first because they called out the attacks and kicked us out of our bases.
>>65017664Both POTUS and SecDef are in fact responsible for the extremely poor strategic decision making that has produced this mess. Ordering operations and setting their start date is THEIR responsibility, as is giving subordinate commands adequate time to plan and prepare for such. Which evidently DID NOT HAPPEN in this case.The buck stops at Hegseth' and Trumps' desks. Deal with it.
>>65017775>USA has no air dominance over Hormuz strait according to definition.Air dominance is you doing whatever you want in the air because the other side cannot stop you from doing it.So far, the largest threat to US air domination over the Persian Gulf has been the arab client states blundering air defense.>USA has no even air superiority thereAir superiority is when you are flying with minimum opposition... which is what the US is doing, crisscrossing Iran's airspace with impunity.
>>65017806>Utterly incorrect and delusional.It was run from Wiesbaden, Germany. There is a 13,000 word article in the NYT about it. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html>You understand less than nothing about warNot an argument, just you being upset. >>65017808>just saying it wasn't isn't addressing itI never said it wasn't. I said not telegraphing your plays is generally a good idea.
>>65017753Yeha, the enemy gets a say in war. ESPECIALLY when you let them have it easily becuase you went in half-cocked with no discernable strategic plan. Shocking, I know.
>>65017814>Air dominance is you doing whatever you want in the air because the other side cannot stop you from doing it.>Air superiority is when you are flying with minimum opposition.Read this again loud and clear:>Air superiority: “Joint Pub 1-02 defines air superiority to be the degree ‘in the air battle of one force over another which permits the conduct of operations by the former and its related land, sea, and air forces at a given time and place without prohibitive interference by the opposing force.’ This state is not enough to ensure the effectiveness of airpower.”
>>65017805>When US would be able to stop Iranian drones and move tankers through Hormuz Strait THEN US will have air superiority there.Are tankers flying now?
>american are copying like russians did at operation spider web
>>65017813I understand that you have your own biases towards the present administration.
>>65017817>There is a 13,000 word article in the NYT about it.What an oddly specific thing to say
>>65017820>ackchually its air superiority not air dominance okay, and?
>>65017778>but it doesn't open up the straightsSo that means Iran isn't exporting its oil while China is dipping in its strategic reserves, US oil is sold at a high profit margin and prospecting Venezuela's reserves become highly profitable for US companies too ?
>>65017822At least Spider Web was a new mode of attack with FPV drones launched from disguised trucks. American assets are being knocked out with the same fuckin Shasneeds and ballistic missiles that Ukraine has been facing for nearly half a decade.
>>65017817>It was run from Wiesbaden, Germany. Actually, it was and is run from Kyiv, Ukraine. Retard.>muh telegraphingAbsolute retard cope. "Muh secrecy" is NOT an excuse for utterly inadequate preparation.
>>65017820air superiority is not jsut about air force jocks flying free. its about down and dirty too. Its about land and naval forces been free from enemy air attacks. And right now Iranian air attack drones deny use of Hormuz strait.
>>65017831Its not an air superiority. Iranian air attack drones deny US (and their allies) naval operations in Hormuz Strait
>>65017825>peasant missed the signal Its professional/academic language. Mentioning that its a ~10,000 word article signals that its been deeply researched and not some fringe issue or surface level analysis.
>>65017833>Venezuela's reserves become highly profitable for US companies toowhy would this happen?
>>65017805>Foreign civilian tankers are now US military's sea forces nowYou are grasping, anon
>>65017835>Actually, it was and is run from Kyiv, Ukraine. Retard.Nope, it was run by US and NATO generals from a base in Germany. >Absolute retard cope. "Muh secrecy" is NOT an excuse for utterly inadequate preparation.You're saying we should have instead telegraphed the play thereby allowing the Iranians the ability to disperse and engage in their stated strategy of mosaic warfare?
>>65017840>>peasant missed the signalVery odd phrasing there
>>65017822I'm sorry you had to see this.I expected our administration to learn nothing from Ukraine out of hubris; I hoped that the career spooks and pencil pusher at DoW/DoD would be taking notes and doing their homework.I was wrong, and it is painful to watch. At least this administration is entirely tanked and all it's legacy is down the shitter
>>65017849US Navy ain't passing tanker's convoys through Hormuz Strait either.
>>65017817>I said not telegraphing your plays is generally a good ideayou can prepare without telegraphing and for not wanting to telegraph the US sure did pre-position a lot of assets openly
>>65017852>im absolutely bootyblasted so im going to imply you're ESLDo what you must.
>>65017863>ForeshadowingIntriguing
>>65017783>And then the Iranians actually started fighting back.Are they still slinging greater numbers munitions at the UAE than Isreal? Because I don't think anyone expected them to target their Gulf neighbors with more weapons than the "Zionist Terrorist Regime" that's been deleting Iran's leaders.
>>65017861>Schrodinger's preparation, whereby the US both did and did not prepare Go away.
>>65017866I get it dude, you've got nothing substantive to offer but you want to argue, you MUST reply.
>>65017635The TDS afflicted tend to ignore reality
>>65017871> you MUST replyMirroring and projecting....I sense some anger as well.
>>65017869>Schrodinger's preparationI didn't say the US didn't prepare, I said they rushed things
>>65017843Not sure if ironic but profitability in oil extraction is dependant upon the price oil can be sold.A big issue with Venezuela's oil is that it is, in fact, costly to extract.Partly because those fuckers did a shitty job at maintenance.Partly because it's not a great quality oil to begin with.So a barrel price below 50$ is a loss while a barrel price below 65$ would be a high risk, given the capital investment needed.But if barrel is over 100$, you can very easily and quickly break even.Now, sooner or later, that oil will be extracted. It's just a nice bonus if it is done when prices are high.
>>65017874>I said they rushed thingsYou dont see the value of moving quickly when your enemies stated doctrine is "disperse and conduct mosiac warfare"?
>>65017626Ayatollah status?
>>65017810China isn't going to want that, sanctions relief is just going to result in tit-for-tat sanctions on Euro companies doing business with Iran and likely result in the US shifting targets to disrupt Iran's ability to benefit from sanctions relief, and the US is already operating out of airbases in the ME. Unless Europe can offer up something concrete to end the conflict the trade simply isn't worth it.
>>65017877what's stopping Venezuela from seizing everything again if US companies tried investing? Risk vs reward doesn't seem there when there's tons of undeveloped wells in the continental US
>>65017855>US Navy ain't passing tanker's convoys through Hormuz Strait either.Why should they ?How would this be necessary for the "conduct of operations" against Iran ?On another topic, much like Europe, US oil imports from the Middle-East is barely over 10%.Cutting this out and changing nothing else would deplete the strategic reserves after 20 months.China has 4 months of reserve and is currently cut of 50% of its import.Give it 8 months at most and Iran will let tankers go through.
>>65017443>if we aren't the most efficientEyebrows raised?
>>65017878moving fast and rushing things aren't the sameyou know they aren't the same so just stop pulling shit out of your ass
>>65017891>what's stopping Venezuela from seizing everything again if US companies tried investing?The fact the US showed they had the might, cunning and clout to just grab whoever they please, starting with El Presidente himself if needed.Sure, there are better wells in other parts of the World but buying the rights might be harder.
>>65017906current investment still stands at $0, why take the risk when there's easier wells they currently own in the US that are developed but aren't producing?
>>65017443>but yeah the gap between the west and wannabes is so large that even if we aren't the most efficient,glove status?
>>65017631>There is nothing to learn from Ukraine.holy shit
>>65017895>How would this be necessary for the "conduct of operations" against Iran ?US allies oil supply and money supply (Gulf state countries)Right now Iranian air drone power successful interfered with that. And US air power cant stop them.
>>65017680Yeah but Desert Storm was run by actual functioning adults, not by a senile dementia patient in adult diapers, a permanently drunken 12 year old in a 45 year olds body with no relevant experience and a balloon headed couch fucker acting as an avatar for a homosexual tech oligarch obsessed with catholic doctrine so obscure and esoteric not even the pope was aware it existed.
>>65017942>homosexual tech oligarch obsessed with catholic doctrine so obscure and esoteric not even the pope was aware it existedelaborate
>>65017943Peter Theil
>near constant apoplectic TDSOh the IRGC must have lost something big if the redditors are in full damage-control
>>65017960The steel production plants hit yesterday must have hurt
>>65017914Because those are already sold.But I'll give you that Venezuela is more a "last nail in the coffin" bonus than the main point.Still less chances of Vuvuzela seizing oil if it sells it to US companies now than there is keep investing in the Persian Gulf as long as Iran is playing around.
>>65017680>That's a poor way of thinkingIt is.The point >>65017596 ain't we should keep fucking up.The point is that we are strong enough we can afford to make mistakes at a scale most countries would consider unsustainable.Our defense budget is equal to the GDP of most countries and that's only 3-4% of our own.Of course, we should get our shit together and try to learn from those costly mistakes.But if we don't, unlike our rivals, it won't means much.
>all of this narrative framing Is really Iran has left.
>>65017954>look it up>another American evangelical retard ranting about the AntichristI don't believe for a second this piece of shit has a working knowledge of basic theology, let alone obscure church doctrine.
>>65017942Lmao
>>65017978Israel sure will be punished once the UAE and Qatar are sufficiently bombed
this board is genuinely so cheeks now dawg we can't even fight a curbstomp war without this obscene periphery whiningSocial media has shattered the basis of truth and reality to the point that a poster in Islamabad thinks that Iran is obliterating CENTCOM somehow despite the situation worsening everydayIn short rangebans NOW
>>65017960>>65017962You can also see them talking ITT about loosening their grip on Hormuz. Iran is already letting more countries through and negotiating with others. They know they can't keep it up.
>>65018005Why? Closing the strait hurts Iran more than the US.
>>65017942Do you follow politics for a living?
>>65017960>Trust the plun cumragWhere have I heard this before?
>>65018005That's bait.US doesn't need to pass through the Strait with warships.It's a nice bonus at best.If Iran let countries through then it becomes a non-issue for the price of oil and therefor for the world economy.
>>65018024I see I'm not even allowed to talk about Desert Storm comparisons without seething /pol/nigs coming to mass report my posts.
>>65017975>The point is that we are strong enough we can afford to make mistakes at a scale most countries would consider unsustainable.>Our defense budget is equal to the GDP of most countries and that's only 3-4% of our own.Everyone knows that, it shouldn't even be entering the debate, after the Camp Bastion raid, there was an investigation, a commander was relieved, what is going to happen now?
>>65018008>begging >imaginary>FENTCOM>pedophile>tollThings must be really bad for the IRGC if this much seething is going into the shill posts
>>65018034>what is going to happen now?We hope something.We fear there'll be nothing.And it shouldn't be left at this indeed.
It's so incredibly frustrating on /k/ right now. You're not allowed to do anything but fellate Trump and America and Israel full time. Even if you say something like "5 million dollars to intercept shaheds is probably not sustainable" you'll get mass reported.Worrying about the cost of the war and whether the straits of hormuz (the only thing that's actually relevant to most people, including Americans) will actually be opened does not mean you support Iran and the IRGC.What the fuck is going on, is it some weird reverse psyops were the Russians are determined to try and get America to commit to a retarded 20 year occupation, so they keep trying to say how great it's going?I mean America can bomb every single Iranian base to rubble and it's meaningless if the straits stay closed, right? It's not shilling for the Iranians to say that
>>65018027Navy status?Airforce status?Air defense status?Economy status?Dingy status?Steel plant status?Cardboard ayatollah status?>>65017981Its not even framing anymore, its just blind rage at everyone.
>>65017834Humiliation ritual
>he's trying the russian shill narrative nowfucking adorable
>>65017620The US was conducting the largest mobilisation of assets in decades, had already bombed Iran the previous year and trump was constantly hinting (outright telling) that they were going to attack. The only element of surprise came from the fact that Israel jumped the gun. Even aside from the lack of immediate preparedness for this war, Ukraine has been fighting for over four years no and the US hasn't even thought to use camo nets to hide them from satellite imagery.
>>65017339hit that shit
>>65018068It's bizarre to me that you don't want to see the problems with this campaign and don't want the American military to improve. I'm not trying to make a narrative you retard, I'm throwing out a ridiculous statement because the position you're taking is ridiculous.Everything is not fine.
>>65018050>concern trolling
>>65018073Yeah yeah yeah and the whole USN has actually been sunk.
>>65018098why do you dumb fucking ESLs always redditspace lol this is why you're laughed at and bullied out here constantly
>>65018110I guess we'll just have to keep killing them.
>>65018110Nice Redditspacing you barely sentient ESL windowlicker lmaoo
>>65018131what were you even trying to say here you dumb esl lol
>>65018117Sure you will achieve much. 1/3 of tomahawks spent already and strategic deterrence arsenals moved from europe and asia to cope. And you are still shooting shaeds for ~$5m each>>65018125>Muh spacing shill redditCultist clown.
>>65018050Concern trolling about 5mil vs 30k when America has over 100x the gdp to play with and 200x the military budget is why nobody takes you seriously when comparing prices of bombs. Especially because you mongs always say 5mil vs 30k while ignoring what that 5 mil was protecting or how much damage has been done to Iran because their AD failed. Secondly, seething Ukranians constantly screaming "what about Ukraine!!!!" In a war they aren't involved in is pointless and grating. No, America is not giving them more tomahawks to lob fruitlessly at ziggers riding donkeys or more oil refineries. They've proven the war is at a standstill and will continue to go back and forth over the same three streets for the time being. Hormuz would be "closed" to civilian shipping regardless of Iran's actual ability to strike shipping so long as they claim they can hit the ships because the insurance companies don't think the risk is worth the reward. Oil is up 10% in America, and will remain as such until something or someone breaks in Iran, simple as. Another post whining about it literally doesn't matter. Another Euro post about anything literally doesn't matter until they actually do something, anything. Until then, discussions will continue to be seething demoralized people from the global south pretending the great satan is on the ropes, 4chinz generals pointing out America isn't beholden to Iran's budget or timeline while pretending they know any operational plans, stategies or goals and Euroids endlessly bitching that they aren't in the spotlight.
>>65018131>>65018142Mad, ESL?
>>65018148>Concern trollingYou proved the post 100% right by writing a wall of ridiculous idiocy.
>>65018148>>65018142>screeching about Ukraine>Talking about troons out of nowhereYou know I was joking about Russian shills being in favor of this war because they hope it damages America, but this thesis is looking more and more likely.
https://youtu.be/UWJNIYa5Low?siHere is a ranking member of the armed services committe explaining why this war is retarded and why the fox news host camouflaged as defence Secretary might just be an incompetent retard.
>>65017796>the same imperial hubris Russians show about their SMO being repeated almost verbatim by AmericansThe only ones doing are thirdie pond scum. Amazing how they threw Russia under the bus just to chest thump for Iran.
>>65018170It's not their passage and piracy is not tolerated.
>>65018176oh ye?maybe you shouldn't have sucker punched them thenpool's still closed btw
>>65017712>objective reality is now propagandaWhere's the Iranian navy?
>>65018186Why would the countries that have sovereignty over the passage play along? Why would the international community make a break with everything it has ever agreed on, in fact perhaps the only thing it has ever unanimously agreed on, and allow piracy?
>>65018192Because everyone knows it's because of American and Israeli hubris and iran is the pragmatic ruler of the persian strait
>>65018188ukies don't have a navy and they are doing just fine
>>65018202Not according to the rest of the world, see where the passage actually goes and UNSC Resolution 2817.
>>65018214you suddenly care about international law now?
>>65017631>There is nothing to learn from Ukraine.holy fucking shit. Pete, I didn't know you had time to hang out with us! How's the bourbon?
>>65018217Is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Iran's recognized territorial waters do not include the shipping passage through the Strait of Hormuz. Iran's attempts to disrupt shipping through the Strait have resulted in immediate, widespread international condemnation. There is absolutely no hope of Iran being able to gain sovereignty over the passage and extort ships. Attempting to do so will only backfire against Iran.
>the TDS seething continuesthey've even devolved into screaming that that the Iranian Navy still exists
>>65017443It's a bad fucking sign when the america shills are acting like baghdad bob. Actual superpowers don't go into foaming at the mouth third world denial mode, they go "oh that sure sucks someone sure fucked up here" and move on. I knew the golden age of america was coming to an end, I just didn't expect it to be this fast or embarrassing
>>65018382Oh and go ahead and report me to the hall monitors, this post being deleted will be proof that fee-fees got hurt
>>65018206Ukies are white It seems unfair to expect the browns to compete.
>>65018382>Actual superpowers don't go into foaming at the mouth third world denial mode,I used to post "every people of every nation gets exactly the type of government they deserve" usually targeting browns online. The words are bitter in my mouth now. Can we just bring back Bush Jr?
>>65018242Cool story, pool's still closed thoughTurns out International Law was there for a reason, whoopsie-daisy I guess!
>>65017783>Tl;dr, cheeto thought this was gonna be 3 day SMOliking czar monke got him the same delusions
>>65017923This is the turbo-hubris which will cause more US servicemen to die
>>65017631>There is nothing to learn from Ukraine.Feels bad these guys are gonna get droned in the face because of retards like this.
>>65018413>and can't say no to a leaderThey've had numerous democratically elected leaders since 1989. They even had to undemocratically depose an undemocratic one in 2014.Meanwhile, Russians have had monke for almost 30 years now.
>>65018167>a democrat career politicians opinion
>>65018440When the elected retards are objectively dumb as rocks, the unelected pencil pusher who depends on a functional government for his wage is a good source.
>>65018440>>65018244>continual political off topic posting> Baselessly asserts any criticism is motivated by a dislike of Trump Do your fucking job janny.
Don't worry, they will find a way to blame "DEI and gender ideology" for this failure, nothing to see here
Did this missile strike on the airfield in Saudi Arabia even happen because all I’ve seen are turd worlders posting the same two satellite images implying it did.
>>65017796>What is the mission?deayatollahfication and demilitarization of Iran... probably
>>65017817>It was runthe only thing run by them was preventing ukies from striking inside russia kek
>The US is opposed to Ukraine supplying its weapons to the Persian Gulf states, says a member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security.>"They want to obtain these technologies from Ukraine and then export them themselves," Rakhmanin said.check out these faggots
>>65018148>America has over 100x the gdp to play withAnd yet it can't produce normal amounts of patriot and thaad interceptors, so...
>>65017339This is what happens when you are too stubborn to accept that drone warfare is the future and order drone interceptors from the country that you have been actively fucking over. Trump deserves every bit of the humiliation, the soldiers dead from shahed fragmentation due to his retardation do not.
>>65018437I don't feel bad, they chose this
>>65017868They had a shitton of missiles that couldn't even reach Israel going into this, and since they decided that becoming the kind of problem no one want to deal with is their best strategy, what else are they going to do with them?
>>65018413you're mistaking them with russians, my clueless burger friend
>>65017339real LETHAL WARRIORS don't use protection
>>65018444yea i'm sure a dem politician who is going to only refer to the president as a "bully" is a proper source of realityNotice how he takes the side of every other country than his ownThe guy is a fucking lawyer
>>65018454No, there are no missile strikes in saudi arabia. The faithless islamic missiles are committing suicide en masse against the holy invincible iron dome
>>65018447>>65018448Cardboard ayatollah status?>>65018454God only knows
>>65017339>is this configuration of US assets in Saudi Arabia ideal?Yes, its fine. The strike in question happened ~10 days ago. At that time US assets were surged in the region, they are parked like that because every airbase within the AO is stacked. Its a war, you're going to take losses. Trading three damaged aircraft (out of ~370 in that class), some radar sets (replaceable) and ~20 KIA for the total destruction of the IRIN, IRIAF, their nuke program, their missile program and a significant portion of their senior leadership is a trade I'd make a hundred times over. >hurr dur muh Ukraine muh Russia Lions don't concern themselves with mice.
>>65018167>this elected official, who is sole credential is that he is an attorney who graduated from the ~54th best law school in the country, worked at a small regional firm and then was a prosecutor for a short time >says that he know more about war>than the guy who went to Princeton, and then Harvard (Masters in Public Policy) and then went on to do two combat tours and retired a Major.
>>65017339>pictures taken moments before disaster
>>65018447janny is more likely to smite you for antisemitic wrongthink
>>65018403The rest of the world isn't going to play along.
>>65018505Princeton and Harvard are more removed from war fighting than small community colleges are.
>>65017487It won't matter how much room they are given. They always bunch up the aircraft. They did it at Pearl Harbor even after the danger being pointed out explicitly.
>>65018505>Actually, credentialism and elites are good now
>>65017550I still don't understand why a pair of KC-135s were flying close enough to hit each other.
>>65018490You people are so far gone it's tragic
>>65018525>t-the world is going to come and save me from the evil iranians patheticgo back to the other side of the planet, you failed, your empire is dead, petrodollar is cooked, tankers are paying in yuan (the new global currency) to cross the Hormuz. you're a dying goylem that had its blood sucked dry by a little jewish state, the least you could do right now is throw the towel and go back and die shitting yourself sideways in your own continent.
>>65018528Literally fighting in a war would, I think, push him ahead in this competition.
>>65018533>one has literally been in a war>one has not >>65018540Okay, chang. >>65018534When you have a fuckload of military traffic in an area, you create lanes for aircraft that are engrossing and egressing. Once a tanker arrives to its station area it leaves the lane and goes into its holding pattern. The accident likely happened when one was exiting a lane to enter holding and the other was exiting holding to enter a lane. The odds are like a million to one with the timing working out like it did.
>>65018540>we can just impose our will even though we're too weak to control our own airspace because reasons Lol
>>65018537I just chalk it up to online shills doing their best to make being American shitty online, by pretending to be shitty Americans online. Before this, the script was to pretend to be American Magatards and shit on Euros online in order to try to divide the Euro-Atlantic alliance.Unfortunately, many are probably actual MAGAtard Americans suffering from the other extreme form of TDS, where Orange Monke can do no wrong, Ukraine has no card nor lessons, and Putin is a friend.
>>65018556>MAGAtard Americans suffering from the other extreme form of TDS, where Orange Monke can do no wrong, Ukraine has no card nor lessons, and Putin is a friend.You're the problem.
>>65018505law degree > public policy degree
>>65018505>went on to do two combat toursjarheads are suddenly smart?
>>65018541Unfortunately, no one in the Whitehouse is interested in fighting a war. They expected a second Venezuela, but will need to either admit defeat or send boots.
>>65018559Speak of the devil and he appears.
>>65018560>law degree>~50th ranked school Undergrad and masters from any Ivy League is more impressive. t. Attorney
>>65018555Yes they can you pathetic cretin. Go jerk off to Trump's daily victory announcement to cope about it.
>>65018564>They expected a second Venezuela, but will need to either admit defeat or send boots.We're aware of the shill narrative.
>>65018571Iran is too weak to impose its will, sorry.
>>65018571>the only thing Iran enjoyers have to boast about is that Iran has been able to deny a certain area to civilian traffic P A T H E T I C
>>65018570>t. AttorneyYes, if you want to practice law, the only industry where your Alma Mater ranking matters. You're all sick like that.
I can't wait for the Kharg island ark of the SMO. Those burger marines will be turned to mincemeat by drones.
>>65018582School ranking is an excellent indication of ability, yes. Just being an attorney is not in itself impressive in any way. You'd be amazed at just how many retards have been barred.
>>65018578>the only thing the enemy has to boast about is that he has us by our ballslol
>>65018589>has us by the balls. Explain, in detail, how closing the straight and limiting the worlds oil supply (thereby increasing the cost of oil) has a negative effect on a country that exports 10 million barrels of oil per day.
>>65018594If the strait being closed has no negative impact, then why is Trumpy-Dumpy seething like mad demanding it be opened again? Really makes you think.(oil is a global market price, idiot, did you refuel your car recently?)
>>65018594It has a myriad of negative effects including>irreparably destroying your military and political prestige>shatters your trade, military and political alliances >destroys your middle eastern military bases>finishes off the petrodollar, the backbone of the US global trade system>empowers your best ally (enemy) Israel
>>65018589They cut their trade, and all their neighbors trade, and its our problem? lolThey are going to literally get coalitioned by the gulf states
>>65018598>I bought a pickup truck to commute with and now my ass is bleeding from gas pricesI don't care about those people...
>>65018604>t-the arab countries will help us!BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>65018600So, no actual consequences other than highly debatable (and hypothetical) future effects?
>>65018607We dont really need that much help. We're presently bombing Iran with impunity. The straight being closed is a transitory effect.
>>65017339The United States has retired and stored away more of these aircraft than anyone will ever manage to destroy.
>>65018614>transitory effect.Let me guess. 2 more weeks before it re-opens?
>>65018587Sounds like a problem with the BAR system. Why do other licensed professionals not have this issue you describe?
>>65017452
>>65018618Two weeks, two months, two years. There is nothing stopping us from bombing. The more we bomb, the less Iran can close the straight. Hence transitory.
>>65018607It's their problem, not ours lolHave you seen what euros pay for gas nowadays?
>>65018624>If it isn't, why did Trumpskie remove sanctions as soon as Hormuz was closed?To ease pressure on Europe and thereby weaken Iran's negotiating position. >Price of oil is global. Yes, and we export it.
>>65018630>Qatar basically surrendered to Iran a couple days agoYou mean Iran stopped firing missiles at it. USAF is still flying combat missions out of Al Udeid Air Base.
>>65018630They haven't been hitting any civilian targets, thats why this shitfest won't end
>>65018626> There is nothing stopping us from bombing. The more we bomb, the less Iran can close the straight.McNamara is that you? Who broke you out of hell?Listen here you dumbass: no matter how many millions of Iranians you bomb into paste, at the end of the day it's going to end like every other one of your "bombing thirdies" campaign: the US withdraws with its tail tucked, boasting about its kill ratio while suffering a complete strategic defeat.
>>65018636>save us China China is next. Well, actually I think Cuba is next but then China after that.
>>65018642>ha! you'll flatten our country until you get bored and leave! Wow. Zinger.
>>65018647If they arent flying missions from there, you're free to prove it.
>>65018658>Your interception rate is not 100% so even though the attacks have had no effect on your combat operations and your losses are negligable and you are totally dominating your opponent, you... uhh... suck! Okay then.
>>65018630Goddamn I thought your delusions couldn't get any worse yet here we are, watching you fantasize about nations "surrendering" to you because they paused their gangraping of you
>>65018650Yes, and guess what? At the end of it all Iran will still be where it is right now, and so will Hormuz15 fucking years of rolling in the sandbox and you still don't know how it works.
>>65018658>You've had the Ukraine war unfold and all the time to prepareI've noticed this shill line all over the place.
>>65018668>At the end of it all Iran will still be where it is right now, and so will HormuzYes those of geographic locations and, while the United States is immensely powerful, we're not yet strong enough to move countries around.
>>65018658Yeah I'm sure the US is going to lose a war against the military that hasn't been tested since the early 70s, has aggressively refused to perform any action anywhere even when their own assets are at risk and their own forces are stationed nearby, and which also just purged the majority of its high-level leadership, with most replacements being political commissars now thrust into command roles. That definitely sounds like a recipe for success against the US.
>>65018673>t. mutts in 2001
Can you imagine the seethe and cope when Qatar and all the others rugpull America, and tell the US to leave their bases. Once they start going they'll all go, rather than be left eating all of Iran's drones and MRBMs.It's already in negotiation.
>>65018676omg do something then. This is why we dont respect you, chang. You're the dude who sits around talking about how tough he is and how we would totally mess that guy up. But you never, ever, do anything.
>>65018683>by not being a fucking schizo country that threatens the rest of the worldChina is presently threatening every single neighboring country.
>>65018676>m-muttdon't make me tap the sign.
>>65018692>more fanfic
>>65018693>China didn't cause everybody's gas price to double in a month time.China caused a world wide pandemic that stole two years of peoples lives and derailed the global economy for the last five.
>>65018669Iran is the original source of sneed drones. You'd think going into a conflict with Iran you'd account for shaheds.
>>65018724You're brown.
>>65018724>Trump seethes every single day about NATO not helping him get his balls out of a vice>y-you mad.... e-euros...?
>>65018724I have a ukraine thread open in another tab as we speak.
>>65018617Don't you think it's comically ironic to brag about boneyards just like Russia did
>>65017339>Airbase protection?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF36Wo6-7R4>Have some turrets carry stingers for extra range against cruise missiles>Some turrets are armed with 50cal for extra range and hitting power >Some turret have a 30mm gun with time fuze>Spam them and space them around airfields so multiple turrets have overlapping fire zones.>Integrate them so they can work together with C-RAM and other existing US anti air systems so you can form one massive protective bubble It is a bit strange why the US have not made something like video related and spammed it to the point that every US base has some form of protection.
>>65018050Just buy high sell low bro.Also reminder this is with stationary positions.In order to counter the mobility and flexibility of drones, you have to compromise your own mobility.Some divisions won’t even get such a luxuries as pic related.
>>65018492>Strait of Hormuz status? >Nuclear carrier's shitter status? Clogged btw.
>>65017619>current leaderDonald Trump is not in charge of or involved in the procurement of AA systems. From the LAV-AD to the Linebacker to the stryker SHORAD the US never actually fielded something decent. Trump may be a buffon and should not have started this war, but the US being unable to into SHORAD has been a problem for more than 20 years.
>>65018617>WE DIDN'T NEED THEM ANYWAY: THE POSTWhy is the US acting more and more like Russia?>Lie about your true intentions to your adversary, host fake negotiations to buy time>Claim victory but haven't yet achieved any strategic goals>Strategic goals are vague like de-nazification and regime change>Completely misunderstand the political situation in the country you're bombing/invading, expect the people to rise up in support of you>Completely taken unaware of the usage of drones and the risks they pose>Any genuine criticisms of the operation, weapon systems or tactics are taken as hostile attempts to undermine the regime>Any military loss is discredited and then downplayed if confirmed i.e. we didn't need it or we have so manyI mean it isn't as bad but it sure looks like it is headed in that direction in record speed. One of the great things about the US military has been it's ability to learn from it's mistakes and speak openly about problems.
im always reminded /k/ is the easiest board to bait.
>>65018852Because Russia has controled all the conservative media from Dim Tool, Cucker Tarlson to FAUX News, and has turned your average boomer/concervative talking head into a useful idiot to turn America into an equally shitty oligarchy. Sure, income inequality is bad, but it's not as bad as what those retards want to turn us into.
>>65018852>One of the great things about the US military has been it's ability to learn from it's mistakes lol>and speak openly about problems.lmaoneverserved
>>65018869Compared to Russia and other authoritarian countries it is day and night. The fact that you have defence committees, investigative units, legal teams etc. looking into failures, crashes, accidents, friendly fires, abuse of office, corruption and so on could never fly in authoritarian countries because that could have severe political consequences. Could it be better? Ofcourse, and it is going in the wrong direction, but it is way ahead of other countries where saving face is the number one priority.
>>65018757throwing BMPs into swamps outdoors for 50 Russian winters vs keeping things in a high desert with no rain or humiditythose aircraft are museum quality by Russian standards>>65018852>Why is the US acting more and more like Russia?Russia learned from the best. No one gets caught up in senseless poorly defined military action like the United States. They just found out it's a lot harder with Russian maintenance practices.
>>65017960They've lost their IRGC Navy Commodore recently!
You know, ngl, i though my country (unironically Ukraine) was underdeveloped and "simple" (compared to sophisticated west) but seeing as americans cant deal with 7-10 shasneeds while our AA has to deal with 400-700 everynight (few weeks ago) makes me think we are not so bad.
>>65017339>PucciaHas lost 28.03.2026Tanks — 11812 (+4)Armored fighting vehicle — 24297 (+10)Artillery systems — 38936 (+73)MLRS — 1707 (+7)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1337Planes — 435Helicopters — 350UAV — 202112 (+1501)Cruise missiles — 4491Ships (boats) — 33Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 85796 (+227)Special equipment — 4105 (+5)Military personnel — aprx. 1294470 people (+1300)
>>65018974you are losing to bathrobe wearing brownoids.
>>65018852they're escalating up the cope ladder, turning into ziggroids in real time. it's no longer about winning, nor about denying losses, it's now negotiating the magnitude of those losses.
>>65018978Whatever. Russia is finsihed even as regional power and is in an unwinnable war. It's soviet arsenal is gone and it's deployed forces are now being reduced and shaped. Putin is in the history books as one of the most disasterous war leaders since mussolini.
>>65018965Oh no, they lost stupid brownoid in charge, now they have to appoint new stupid brownoid in charge 2.0What a horror, 2 weeks left>>65018988I am ok with this, hate both russia and usa, really happy to see that your degenerate clown president dragged you into absolutely worthless war (what are the Goals again?) and all developed world told you to go fuck yourself when you asked for help.
>"US IS JUST LIKE RUSSIA GUYS!!!1!!1!"Lol, if (You) salty niggers say it a million times instead of a thousand times, maybe it'll become true!
>>65017339completely unprepared for this war. their weird hatred of Ukraine made them obtuse and refuse to learn anything from that conflict.
>>65018825I would say in every engagement, I don't even think there have even been proper engagements, just slaughters.
>>65018993>You're now witnessing real-time adoption of the KGB playbookImpressive.
>>65018991I don't hate the Americans, the main thing wrong with them is as result of Russian subversion on shit like /pol/ and within magamost actual Americans are based and their military is good. The Iranian mullahs are fucking cancer and the world would be better off with them gone as well as putin.
>>65018999>The entirety of the "right wing" of the west is russian subversionYou are delusional
>>65018999Same. I've lived in the US and I've loved the US as an allied country, but MAGA is really destroying the country inside out with their either-or rhetoric and seeing any criticism as an attack, while also never admitting any problem and playing the blame-game. Most people don't realize that it creates structural problems that will create far-reaching consequences down the line.
>>65019014It is. Why is every right-wing party in Europe so lenient against Russia? I'm extremely right wing and I hate the fact that the parties I can choose from have been subverted by Russian money and threats.
>>65019019Because they are mostly bankrolled by russia and shilled for by glavset floated on Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare. Kremlin shpoppoing for more ficos and orbans, farage, afd, lepen etc etc
>>65019015MAGA (or the muh Russia element within it) is just their equiavent of orban or fico. America never publizised that the huge immigrant caravans on their southern burders were Russian orchestrated. Same shit they tried to pull in Europe to float quislings into office.
>>65018031Answer the question.
>>65018148>the metrics don't matterAnd this is why my country is devolving into a shithole where they can't even build 1 mile of road without wasting 80% of the contract time doing literally nothing. And the end result is low fucking quality that doesn't last.See, the metrics don't matter anyways!Nevermind that these $400,000 houses are built like SHIT and are absolute fucking garbage!The metrics don't matter, gdp! Gdp!My god man get your head out of your ass. The last gasps of a dead society are EMBARASSING
Americans losing an AWACS on the ground to a smaller and less militarily advanced enemy.How very Russian of them.
>>65019014A significant portion of both the right and far left are subverted.
>>65018993>US IS JUST LIKE RUSSIA GUYSNot yet, but it's going there
>>65017631Put the Scotch bottle down Pete and get that jewish cock out of your ass, you nasty girl wannabe.
>>65018382>they go "oh that sure sucks someone sure fucked up here"that's exactly what he did
>>65018869He's right. The US Army can draw conclusions from experience and its issues. The problem is that it usually takes quite a bit of fuck ups until it propagates into the system. It was the same in WW2 with the convoys being sent to Britain and US Navy ignoring British experience about German u-boats and such. It was the same in Iraq with sending retards in Humvee onto IEDs for years until MRAPs became a thing.
>>65019014Not all of it, but most of it is in fact true. Why do you think faggots like Tim "Baldie" Pool got paid a hundred grand per week? Imagine shelling out the cash on the studio and all that shit, while having shit views online.
>>65017732>It's amazing how internet "analysts" think they know better than actual analysts who not only have decades to work out this problem, but are actually paid to do so.Paid analyst: liberal arts major, IQ 98. Knows nothing but is very verbose because he is paid to be. Internet analyst: M.sc engineer, IQ 136. Actually knows, but doesnt talk much, because this is on his free time.
>>65017732>It's amazing how internet "analysts" think they know better than actual analystsThose "actual analysts" said ukies would lose in a few days, so...
>>65018382I mean I did when I was an actual child during the Iraq war because people praying for dead Americans bothered me since my family and loved ones are American. I take solace in the fact most of the people who said those horrible things are now dead.
>>65018555>we can just impose our willEvidently, yes. Unless the Great Satan proves otherwise
>>65017619>America has NEVER had to deal with the possibility of long range munitions raining down onto their tanker fleet and decided to learn literally NOTHING from the war in Ukraine.You have to understand that this is an inherent feature of american culture. Americans deny the existence of physical realities like physically limited brain computational capability and how it is tied to genetics. That means that americans are not able to sift trough the population to locate the rare minority which is capable of abstract thinking because to americans, these people do not exist, because abstract thinking is something you learn in school and everyone can do that, provided they are not denied edukashion by evil whyte cis-gendered males.Have you ever seen the typical american idea that the more education you recieve, the higher your IQ? Thats a feature of this american mindwarp. A total inversion of truth. The truth is, only a tiny minority of the population, 2-3% of euroamericans, is capable of abstract thinking and they are all male, because this is a feature of the right side brain hemisphere which is way more developed in a masculine brain than in a female brain because major physical differences due to different DNA expression. Most euroamerican males never reach this peak because their brains are either too small due to genetics or they have been incompetely developed towards full malehood due to xenoestrogen poisoning. Yes, males get dumber from estrogen. So, with this knowledge, we can predict a series of entertaining clusterfucks in the near future (6 months) when the non abstract thinking mega majority of Americans go to war and discover this and that which we know they are going to do. And those that stay at home are going to discover Free Trade! Its going to be the best reality TV show ever aired hosted by Dooooooonaaaaallddd Truuuuuummmp!!!! I FUKIN LOVE DONALD TRUMP !
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>>65017339The same reason nobody builds submarine pens anymore.
>>65017452nah bring back the gepards, the ukrainians has said its the most effective +cost effective weapon to take out the drones.
>>65018534>I still don't understand why a pair of KC-135s were flying close enough to hit each other.One was shot down and another damaged by a type of weapon that does not exist in the US/allies inventory. That is why it didnt happen.
