Chinese J-50 spotted with two unknown loyal wingmen for the first time ever.>inb4 four pixelsIt is what it is
>>65017971it's not 3 times the same plane ? You are telling me that I should see a J50 and 2 of something else? Or is it my ESL (whiter than you btw) brain
>>65017971>lambda flying wing>thrust vectoring>wingtips that double as canards>those weird flaps/ailerons/airbreaks that seemingly twistI wonder what's the reason for such dramatic doctrinal changes
>>65017995>>wingtips that double as canardsplease educate yourself on the definition and role of canards for your next shilling post.
>>65017995My best guess is that they're trying to achieve all aspect stealth >>65017989The two aircraft on the right have visibly narrower wings compared to the one on the left
>>65017971IMPLEASSIVE
>>65017971Unrelated question. Will 6th gens just be different flavors of triangles?
>>65018006>The two aircraft on the right have visibly narrower wings compared to the one on the leftare you trolling me ?
>>65018014Unrelated question, will the chong leave the ching anytime soon?
>>65018014Depends on if you're talking capabilitites which will be set by America or by looks which will be aped by China
>>65018028The only thing the chinks can ape is embarrassing moments for us to laugh at
>>65018003What are they then?
>>65017971>>inb4 four pixelsTHERE ARE THREE PIXELS
>>65017971they all look the same
>>65018572>they all look the same
>>65017971Oh hey chinkshill, you got your new marching orders. Do you get in trouble if people bring up the J-20? Why would anyone believe any of your little dick waving at this point?
>>65017971His royal wingmen Wang and chang
>>65017989>>65018018I don't see it either>>65017971Post source
>>65017995The wing tip is the most unstable zone of airflow so it baffles me why they would specifically want that to be a control surface, and an especially large wingtip control at that.
>>65019458>The wing tip is the most unstable zone of airflow so it baffles me why they would specifically want that to be a control surface, and an especially large wingtip control at that.Retard.There's loads of features that get put on wingtips, this one is configurable. Possibly for different flight regimes.
>>65018047AWACS status?
>>65017971Still waiting on source dipshit
>>65023103https://www.twz.com/air/images-purportedly-show-e-3-sentry-totally-destroyed-from-iranian-strike
>>65023147>Why do /k/opers spam anti-china stuffBecause they think they're on /bant/ or they're brain-rotted by /pol/It's not something that /k/ regulars do, it's from the /pol/tards who are here to fight some internet war.
>>65023184>This board looks a shadow of its former self worse than /pol/ or /v/.While /k/ has always suffered from /pol/ tourists, it certainly feels worse than it was.To say that it's worse than /pol/ or /v/ though is absurd. We say that /k/ has declined in quality precisely because it has become a little more like those boards.It's a long way off being as bad as them though and certainly is not worse.
>>65023199>If you hate /pol/ then you're a glowieDo you have any comprehension of how ridiculous you sound?
>>65023199/pol/ is not safe for human consumption
>>65023147Probably because chinks are pathological liars and shills, and are responsible for a lot of anti-western propaganda.
>>65023147 It is fun to dunk on the chinese propaganda threads and post.
>>65018247I said yourself, I'm not helping you retard
>>65023147A good percentage of /k/ operates under the brownoid belief that narrative creates reality, and so if you publicly deny something hard enough you'll never have to deal with it because the other side has lost the war of words.
>>65023147cause chinks have started spamming this board with very unsubtle propaganda and it's been going strong since about two years now. Some of the china posting is honest but 90% of it is a psyop with numerous proofs (chinkman meltdowns). So now /k/ doesn't engage anymore and just counter spam every shillnese mic thread just in case. Basically like armatards ruined this board for a while pretending Russia was strong but now it's chinks doing exactly the same. Hope this helps
>>65018247Spin-tippy doo-dads.
>>65023224Seeing the water briefly turn red was great. Generally the changs don't annoy me, but when it comes to fishing and bothering their neighbors with fake islands I hope to see them all die screaming
>>65023173Because thirty plus threads a day of passive aggressive dick waving with the same photos over, and over, and over again or some shartistan times/CCP mouthpiece newspaper proclaiming the downfall of the west (for real this time) gets to be really annoying. It's Armatard all over again but dozens of him. One thread at a time, only when there's new material, or fuck off. Be like Norktard. Norktard may be a weirdo but he posts new shit in his threads and doesn't spam the catalog.
>>65024159>brag about rapid progress to achieve modern standards because you completely nuked your living standards and tech due to retarded policiesimpressive
>>65024160Stop posting photos representing 0.1% of China.
You can see the chinkshill's doing the same fucking shit every times, samefagging his shill thread with retarded posts just to bump it. He's going to do this for days, maybe even weeks btw.
>>65024159Case is you post the exact same shit as armatards so what's your point ? Taiwan did that too, faster and earlier than you did actually, and the GDP per capita there is like 3 times higher than yours. Do you want a medal for being a retarded colony that finally got its shit together ? Btw I've visited both Taiwan and China and there's no game, outside of big cities China is literally a landfill
>>65024159>>65024160>>65024249>LED buildingsImplessive! It's ovel fol ameliKKKa!
>>65023160>war>fishing boat friendly fire?
>>65024529What the fuck are you talking about all your big cities have a colonial district with European architecture I've seen them lmao. Learn history pong you are embarrassing
>>65024456meanwhile irl :>you all had the same start as european colonies >Japs Koreans and Taiwanese choose the west + democracy >Instant economic boom>China choose USSR + dictatorship>it sets you back 50 years >ffw to today >you brag about being late to the party I understand the "wow we got civilized so quickly" narrative and I get why you are proud, but if you are objective you wouldn't need to brag about this if you weren't a retarded country for so long
>>65017995The US made this 40 years ago, it's known as the "B-2".
>>65023147>Nyoooo, only us brown people can spam vehicle gore!!!!
>>65023958yeah this, norktard is fine. He's delusional but he's fine
>>65023958>One thread at a time, only when there's new material, or fuck offThe problem is two-fold.Counter-shitposting is still shitposting and shits up the board.Actual new material gets the same treatment so now we just can't discuss anything Chinese at all.The paranoid part of me suspects that this is the point, to wipe Chinese discussion from the board altogether as a way of plugging the leaks and keeping the west in the dark.
>>65024456>the GDP per capitaDon't got a dog in this fight CCP can rot in hell and the RoC is incompetent. Fuck them both. Just going to point out that's a crap metric.
>>65021163>retardHeh. Heh heh.I develop aerodynamics for fun, as a hobby.My real life work is in the extreme ranges where aero is a force that indiscriminately destroys every material, from the atomic level.When >I< tell >you< wing tip controls are nonsensical it comes from a very real knowledge base.There's a reason sub-mach passenger planes use wingtip devices to spoil and contain airflow.It is NOT because wingtip control surfaces are effective.You stupid chinese piece of shit.The only reason a fighter has wingtip ailerons is because the plane has abhorrent stall characteristics, which itself is due to upstream airflow problems.It's a solution that's a solution to a problem tuat should have never existed.Fucking chang ass bullshit.The yellow niggers of the world.
>>65024678If you had visited Taiwan and China you could feel the difference in GDP, like literally you can tell that Chinese people are poor as fuck on average
>>65024706NTA but don't wing tip surfaces have better roll authority by simple lever effect ?
>>65024706>The only reason a fighter has wingtip ailerons is because the plane has abhorrent stall characteristics, which itself is due to upstream airflow problems.name a single fighter jet that wasnt the epitome of an unstable abolished piece of shit aerodynamicallychina is obviously limited by today's technology on material science they simply cant find a material soft and riged at the same time to act as PACS https://www.sciopen.com/article/10.7527/S1000-6893.2024.30042?issn=1000-6893whoever manages to figure this shit up is gonna end up winning the fighter jet race for the future
>>65017971>four pixels
>>65024821>PACSqu'est-ce que c'est?
>>65024741No, the wingtips are the source of airflow instability. Aileron control at the tips becomes a liability the closer you get to minimum turn speed at useful AoA. Because of airflow>body dynamics, the smallest area surfaces have the worst vortices, instabilities, and simply due to size the least amount of smooth flowing air available for any effective control.Wingtip rudderbrakes/ailerons/flaperons serve a very limited purpose, and that purpose is essentially made useless because the airspeed regime they would work in without causing problems is so limited as to be useless for maneuver anyways.Any argument one would make for seriously sized and seriously moveable wingtip or near-tip control surfaces as in the picture I originally replied to, only amounts to "takeoff and landing near-stall control". Any other use of a surface of such size and angle of control only gives flow disruption across the wing and serious problems.In the hobby plane space ailerons which stray too far into the tip, and are mixed as such to be used for CROW/Flaperon/Spoiler use, a severe liability because the airflow at the tip's tendency to go turbulent always, and I say that word with finality, always causes a stall.You do not do shit like that for anything but slow speed lift because your plane can't get in the air without it.Basically, the chinese plane pictured can't take off from the carrier at combat load because it is underpowered, and it's launch device is ALSO underpowered. And those wingtip surfaces are fucking useless (and are a mechanical and RCS liability) for every other situation, which is 99.9% of the plane's flight life.planes only (NEVER!) have shit like that if the plane is a failure and shouldn't be flying in the first place.fucking wingtip ailerons/flaperons AND canards, and LMAO that fucking wing root/root chord.shit is a joke.I wouldn't have designed a planform that bad when I was 13 years old. My father would have beat me into a medical coma. 2kchar
>>65017995This thing existing makes the YF-23 being scrapped less painful>>65024583Bait or metal retardation? This thing looks more like a tailless F-22, not a big stealth bomber.
>>65024954Thank you armchair warlord for your expert analysis on secretive chinese fighter planes. None of the engineers working on that project under gunpoint understand how aerodynamics and radar cross section works, and you are very smart.
>>65024963Basically, the chinese plane pictured can't take off from the carrier at combat load because it is underpowered, and it's launch device is ALSO underpowered. And those wingtip surfaces are fucking useless (and are a mechanical and RCS liability) for every other situation, which is 99.9% of the plane's flight life.planes only (NEVER!) have shit like that if the plane is a failure and shouldn't be flying in the first place.fucking wingtip ailerons/flaperons AND canards, and LMAO that fucking wing root/root chord.shit is a joke.fuck yamudda
>>65024940basicly what china is currently doing BUT without mechanical parts the whole wing is a giant moving part
>>65024969>basicly what china is currently doing BUT without mechanical parts>the whole wing is a giant moving partWhat does PACS stand for?I assume something something control surface?
Someone explain the implessive posters to me. Either they're dumb americans too stupid to realise that treating their major geopolitical threat like a joke is a bad idea, in direct contradiction to how the US itself treats it, or they have another reason to derail every conversation about China's capabilities, but I can't figure it out. Is it just thirdies?
>>65024966>Basically, the chinese plane pictured can't take off from the carrier at combat load because it is underpoweredNTA again but have you considered that it wasn't the intended purpose and might be missing the point entirely ? Usually smart people don't have super strong opinions like you do btw, they'll admit they don't know why and assume it serves a purpose foreign to them, just wanted to let you know you sound low IQ.
>>65024976I wonder why this poster thinks every post online has to toe the state-approved line and is directly tied to state propaganda
>>65024977>Usually smart people don't have super strong opinions like you do btw, they'll admit they don't know why >smart people don't have opinions and don't know whyDoesn't sound smart to me.The wolf ate that rabbit because it needed food.Sounds rational.>Da wulf ate dat wabbit bcuz of socioeconmic factors and racism!sounds deranged>Da wulf ate dat wabbit and I don't know why!Sounds retardedpeople who know what they're talking about tend to be VERY opinionated.I'll spend a minute to be VERY OPINIONATED once again:wingtip control surfaces are stupid, extremely limited, and are only functional in extremely limited regimes of flight profile which have zero purpose in a properly designed aircraft.
>stop being mean to china!you all set the stage when you spammed this board with the minefield graveyard pic. thirdies are simply incapable of having serious discussion about war without going into full feels mode.
>>65024976>Someone explain the implessive posters to me.I don't think anyone fully knows and as I'll explain, I don't think they fully know either.>Either they're dumb americans too stupid to realise that treating their major geopolitical threat like a joke is a bad ideaThat's certainly possible.>or they have another reason to derail every conversation about China's capabilitiesAlso possible. China has an official policy of derailing undesirable conversations with propaganda of various forms or simply distractions ranging from rage bait to false-flagging, well poisoning to kitten photos.Both groups could also include this kind of anon >>65023958, who is essentially mirroring genuine chinkshills but becoming just as bad (maybe actually worse) in the process.>Is it just thirdies?Let's not rule that out either, the russian-employed indian shills probably wouldn't mind taking a minute out from their actual paid shilling to bash China a bit in unrelated threads and they have no incentive to preserve useful discussion on the board.I think the reality is that it's several different kinds of groups, who might all hate each other but don't know it because they're anonymous. They're shitposting for different reasons and coincidentally, all either hate China or want to stifle discussion of China. Some of them may actually be Chinese.
>>65024983>I'll spend a minute to be VERY OPINIONATED once again:Being VERY OPINIONATED is usually a sign of mental illness.Sane people are prepared to admit mistakes, aware that they can be mistaken and avoid over-committing to things.Absolutist behaviour like that tends to be associated with emotional investment in an idea which, outside of some moral issues, is itself pretty irrational.
>>65024995the difference between you and I, is I do understand this topic.Because I have designed and sold competition winning airframes.The ocean's a big place, kid, and we're all just small fish who need to swim to the surface to see the light.
>>65024976>conversationThis would make sense if they were ever allowed to be a conversation in the first place, whenever i give a china related thread the benefit of the doubt and check back later, the thread is usually filled with samefagging or cope folder spamming from one of china’s strongest warriors.
>>65025000>the thread is usually filled with samefagging or cope folder spamming from one of china’s strongest warriors.No, it's filled with samefagging and cope folder spamming from china warriors and china haters alike and it's shit.The actual chinashills are way less than you think, you're unable to distinguish actual shills (or just chink retards) from the regular /k/ommandos who want to talk about weapons that happen to be Chinese and then you're calling us all shills and saying the thread is full of us.Which is technically true but only because you're labelling everyone that isn't implessive posting as a shill.
>>65024999you sound like a RC guy that thinks he works for lockheed martin it's so cringe dude just stop posting pls
>>65024706>>65024954Requesting an anon screencap these posts (I'm on mobile) so we can use them in future changshill threads. It's a very nice writeup, ty anon>>65024976It's not that we're underestimating china when push comes to shove, it's that we're rebuffing your retarded shill threads that are completely incapable of accurate portrayal of chink miltech. Like, the very notion of china having a 6th gen fighter when they do not, in fact, have a 5th gen fighter, is just ridiculous. They do not have parity in materials, they do not have parity in engines, they do not have parity in electronics, and they don't have parity in doctrine and training. You will refuse to acknowledge any of this, instead putting chinese shit on a pedestal and pretending it's as good as or even superior to the much larger, much more advanced, and much more experienced American air forces. Plus, half of your threads are just overtly ridiculous to a western audience, such as when you play off vidrel as killbotsAlso, there is the growing problem of chinese military competency in general. It's hard to get a read since china aggressively refuses to engage in any conflict at any level, often to the detriment of their own overseas assets, and they do not even do international exercises unless it's the sort of "exercise" that is planned ahead of time and more of a propaganda shoot than anything else. In short: China appears terrified of letting anyone see its armed forces in action, even in a simulation. Combine that with anecdotal embarrassments like submarines sinking in port, aircraft carrier decks breaking apart, special forces soldiers using aliexpress mystery meat plates, and riflemen shown to be keyholing at 10m... well, there are a lot of strong reasons to consider china incompetent militarily, and not many reasons to think otherwise. Actually, yeah, there's a challenge for you - name a single objective, internationally-verified instance of the chinese military displaying competency.
>>65025009He sounds like a turbo autist. And turbo autists like this tend to be the real deal, from what I've seen
>>65025009Aerodynamics scale linearly inside of the sub-mach zone, there's very little difference in the effect when below mach speeds, and below mach speeds are the ideal maneuver rates. Big plane, small plane, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if I took an F-14 and scaled it up to a wingspan of 400 meters or down to 4 centimeters.When I tell you the wingtips are SHIT for a control surface, the wingtips are shit for a control surface.Trust that you can take this fact to your grave and will never be proven wrong.
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>>65025023>When I tell you the wingtips are SHIT for a control surface, the wingtips are shit for a control surface.Have you considered that this is a wingtip vortex whatever when it wants to be and a regular featureless wingtip the rest of the time?
>>65024971https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1270963822004096
>>65025029Feel free to address any of the points raised in >>65025015 mr "/k/ poster" (doesn't know what oldfags on this board actually call themselves)
>>65025034>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1270963822004096>pressure-actuated cellular structures (PACS)Neat, thanks.
>>65025035Deliberate shitposting is shitposting anon
>>65025047They’re learning to hunt together
>>65025034Never going to be proven as mechanically reliable in our lifetimes.I had a brilliant idea of an in flight adaptable wing after I watched a family of turkey vultures soar on a thermal without a single flap from any of them for over 7 minutes.It's a 60 year old idea.The mechanical requirements to do so make the reliability impossible.US institutions had researched flex wings 45 years ago. Guess why it wasn't pursued.
>>65025026already been spoken about in my first two posts
>>65025052the mechanical version is what china has to a big degree (not total) but it cant be done on a pure mechanical way
>>65025023LMAO so you are an RC cuck trying to act smart thanks for not lying at least
>>65024532https://www.twz.com/news-features/kuwaiti-f-a-18-hornet-responsible-for-shooting-down-three-usaf-f-15e-strike-eagles-report
