He's going to be forced to stop being a queer and buy a bunch of Wedgetails now, right?
Congress was already forcing them through anyway.
He'll just claim it's proof that he was right all along and he should be allowed to suck Elon's cock even harder.
>>65022985>We didnt need them anywayIs this a zigger false flag?>>65022982That was first reported as damaged btw
>65023010Bot on the fritz.
>65023010Are you retarded? Congress has been forcing them to be bought over Kegbreath's desire to not buy them.
>>65023010I've seen the same shit this whole day. I'm guessing they're hiring the same shills now once they've borrowed a page or two from Putin's handbook anyway by launching senseless offensives
>>65023010>Is this a zigger false flag?...what?I'm saying congress already told kegsbreath to fuck off and they forced through the order that he tried to cancel last year.Why are you faggots so dumb?
>>65022998this. Hegseth will claim that the space-based system is vastly more survivable and Congress needs to drop the E-7 to pump more money into their project
>>65022982no, he's going to be super based a buy a bunch of the ones with the funny animal face on the front
>>65023010>Is this a zigger false flag?
>>65023099The funny part is that no space based AMTI system has been shown yet. Its an entirely theoretical thing. There has been some progress made on GMTI sensors in space, but detecting airborne targets using networked satellite-based radar has never actually been shown in any kind of real capacity as far as I have seen. The idea that AWACS will soon be obsolete is basically completely relying on the fact that private industry will come up with a totally novel system that is extremely reliable and scalable within the next few years
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>>65023248Meanwhile in reality:>nyet no russians in those grids, coomeradhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
>>65023021The pro-America shills and the pro-Russia shills are now sharing the same office in India.
>>65023010meds
>>65023153so the plan was to have no AWACS capability while they took years or even decades to try and implement this? was there a plan?
>>65022982I suspect it would depend on how far along the space-based AMTI progress actually is. If it's ready to go, then they need to pay somebody to build the satellites, and then bump some Starlink launches to get them in orbit. If it's still several years out, then buying some Wedgetails as insurance would be a really good idea.
I’ve explained over and over in the past that NO ONE can afford “modern” (ie, US-style) warfare now, INCLUDING the US. The last Defense budget took forever because there’s a huge civil war in the DoD over funding, there’s just no more MONEY. That’s why Iran is turning into this ludicrous clown show, the US can NO LONGER AFFORD TO DO WAR. No one can. The era of large-scale complex operations is over.
>>65024153No, the plan was to kick the can down the road because theoretically what we have now would be enough if we never actually used them. Gay shit like support elements are always first to get cut until someone faces reality and is forced to act. >>65024167lol
>>65024156There's no way that AMTI systems will be actually functional in a smooth and reliable way any time soon. When has implementing such a huge shift ever been a smooth transition? Wedgetails are definitely needed to fill the gap until they get AMTI up and running properly. Hoping it'll be operational in the next few years is a pipe dream.
>>65024153Sort of. What >>65024177 said marks a lot of it. Kegseth was literally told by Trump to start cutting programs. Look at the number of things he's done away with since being appointed, things that were either done or about to be done, stuff that no one in the right mind would cancel unless they had a directive to cut everything. He looked at the AWACS situation, just as he looked the artillery situation, and every other situation and basically said, "Rifle is fine." Then he purged a shitload of officers. Only to turn around and try to do this "warrior" rebranding, and extend the age you can sign up to serve by almost a god damn decade across every branch because he knows there are a ton of Neverserved Larperators out there who basically pay to go to boot camp already. His thinking is that he can convince this middle aged dudes to sign up because they missed out on being groomed by some recruiter at a High School career fair.
>>65024167>there’s just no more MONEYThere's plenty of money, it's just getting pissed away on useless programs like F-47 and Sentinel.
>>65024237>useless programs like F-47 and SentinelKys
>>65022982I remain convinced that the hesitance around the Wedgetail is entirely because Australia got there first and got to name it after an Australian eagle, and multiple people in the US are heavily resistant to the idea of adopting something named after someone else's eagles.. It came to me in a dream.
>>65024241No, kill YOURself. That money could be going toward FA-XX and Columbia, systems that will actually see use.
>>65024244Take the dicks out of your orifices, squid. Land based fighters and ICBMs are necessary.
>>65024244>money to FA-XXActually, for all our sakes, it is best if that money doesn't go there. Before you get mad, I want you to think about how the Navy has been handling every single program for 20 years now. I wake up getting cold sweats about the X-47B still.
>>65024246Make one argument for why silo-based ICBMs are necessary that doesn't involve Russia or China wasting nukes on silos they know will be empty by the time their nukes arrive.>>65024250The Navy has been getting screwed for the past 20 years because the Air Force keeps spending all of the money on stuff they don't use.
>>65024259ICBMs are faster than SLMBs and can be deployed almost immediately if manned bombers and submarines are out of theatre.
>>65024264ICBMs can be taken out in a first strike theoretically. SLBMs are your final line of insurance.
>>65024259Anon, just look into the procurement program that was supposed to go on after the X-47B was successfully tested. It is genuinely the most catty, office politics, womanly, "If I can't get my way, no one gets anything" bullshit. And then expand on that because it applies to basically every single fuckin' program. Columbia good though. Bubbleheads are probably the only nonretards.
>>65024265That depends on the adversary and the size and content of their arsenal. If, for some reason, a minor nuclear power or powerful non state actor were to do something warranting a nuclear response before bombers or subs could make it into theatre, an ICBM could be there within 45 minutes at the most.
>>65024264Under what circumstances would we need to nuke someone and not have an SSBN within 7,000 miles?>>65024265>ICBMs can be taken out in a first strike theoreticallyNo they can't, that's why it's such a fucking troll that the biggest argument that gets cited for them is that it will save lives by having the Russians nuke silos instead of cities. Like it's 1962 and we'll need to spend half an hour fueling our missiles with 10 minutes heads up for incoming missiles before impact.
>>65024270Yeah, I'm aware of the shitshow with the X-47B and it's a damn shame.>>65024275Under what circumstances would the actions of a non-state actor justify a strategic nuclear strike against a state?
>>65024153Oh, no, they would have a stopgap... of fucking E-2 Hawkeyes. You know. The naval Mini-AWACS. That fly lower, slower, see less, and are less capable of disseminating their data.
>>65024277The scenario in which the SSBN in theatre is defeated.>inb4 that won't happen This is nuclear doctrine. We have to have a contingency.>>65024283A major hostile rebellion in a nuclear armed state.
Link isn't real and if you think it is, explain the standard for it and why any data-capable radio can't do it, right now
>>65024283>Iran gives Zyklon B to Hezbollah/HAMAS>they use it>Israel is tired of this shit
>thread about Wedgetails >>65022985>this post is about wedgetail>>65023010>shitskin bot completely shat itself and thought it was about the e-3 Grim
>>65024294>The scenario in which the SSBN in theatre is defeated.Which is why we should have lots of Columbias to replace our rotting Ohios, instead of silo based missiles that are even more expensive and less useful.>>65024294>>65024301Both of those situations would be addressed with a conventional response.
>>65024284oh and that china knows inside and out due to the 2001 ramming
name even one person who has ever observed link coverage, ever.
>>65024311SSBNs have to spread out to provide a credible second strike. An ICBM will always be faster than a second SSBN if the one in theatre is defeated.>Both of those situations would be addressed with a conventional responseI can spitball scenarios in which it is already too fargone or dangerous. A radical faction could stage a coup or smuggle a warhead on a shielded submarine if the Kims or the Pakistani government weaken. India or Pakistan could fracture and one side could use the country's warheads against the other.
>the only use case for EW planes is if The Hunt For Red October happens but everyone involved is brown/k/ really is the smartest board on this site
>>65024237>There's plenty of money, it's just getting pissed away on propping up Nvidia and OpenAIftfy
>>65024345>A radical faction could stage a coup or smuggle a warhead on a shielded submarine if the Kims or the Pakistani government weaken. India or Pakistan could fracture and one side could use the country's warheads against the other.How would any of these situations justify an American nuclear strike? The only way I could see it is if some radical Nork sub/silo commander decided to launch on his own initiative and the Norks wouldn't talk when we asked what the fuck is going on. Then again, I don't see how that would be meaningfully different than the Kim pressing the button personally, and honestly I would think it would be more likely to result in an invasion than a nuclear strike. If anything, the Chinese would probably be the ones to invade Norkland in order to prevent an American military buildup and invasion right on their doorstep.
>>65024365If there's a risk the invasion force will get nuked, we'll have to hit them first.
>>65024315Know it well enough to have cloned it even
Scoped y'all niggas talking shit.
>>65024359
>>65024401lil bro thinks the real Link 21 wasn't 2 niggas in 1 holehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Ay74LfKd4
>>65024390We can bomb their country flat without nukes, and there's no evidence that nukes would be any better at destroying their silos than conventional bunker busters.
>>65024416If we need to knock out their nukes because we do not have enough assets in theatre, ICBMs are the best tool.
>the only usecase for any war machine is supporting an intercontinental nuclear strikethis is why you niggas keep losing wars
>>65024413>zoomspeak>tranime musicWell I guess you answered his question
>>65024413>you will never give an off-model EW plane a bathWhy even live?
>>65024421>because we do not have enough assets in theatreWhich theater might we not have enough assets in? Not east Asia.
>>65023026>kegsbreathyou have to go back
>>65024400>>65024413
>>65024435Potentially not if our bases in Korea and/or Japan get nuked and/or the prospect of a follow up strike against remaining assets is credibly rapid enough that we cannot get enough planes in the air for a coordinated attack on their nuclear facilities and their defenses quickly enough. I'll keep saying it. A megaton warhead basically anywhere on Earth within 45 minutes of the president giving the order is too valuable to give up.
>>65024433>>65024444SENPAI HAS YOU ACQUIRED BY TRACK SYNTHESIS
>>65024445And we're worried about North Korea sinking our subs?
>>65024445>A megaton warhead basically anywhere on Earth within 45 minutes of the president giving the order is too valuable to give up.ok you can nuke a city anywhere on earthhow does this keep gas prices down
>>65024395why are they looking at me with lust in their eyes
>im commissioning to work on E3s in 6 monthsG..guys should i be worried... they cant be retarded enough to lose ANOTHER E3, or God forbid a brand new E7 (pending), could they?
>>65024243it all makes sense now
cool bird
>>65024315That was a P-3, not an E-2.
>>65023153didnt china posted a picture of a tracked f22 from their sats?
>>65022982I thought they cancelled in favor of space based sensors that don't exist yet.
>>65024690even cooler gun (for Australia)
>>65022982>>65022985
>>65024438Need to add it to filters
>>65024438>>65027565I love the Kegsbreath thing>hurr dudes a fucking chad and loves to party what a LOOOOSER lol.
>>65024167>there’s just no more MONEYAnd also no will. There's a reason Romans had their dictator system, and why FDR had to act like a dictator. When you want to get a country moving, you kind of need someone who can just tell everyone to start moving or else. Alas, no one in America has the support needed to wield power like that without starting a civil war.
>>65022982just why
>>65028156Because some retards don't know how to use catalog.
>>65024301Pretty sure Israel would just supply some non-toxic variant to Hamas etc in the hopes they use it so they have a pretext for nuking them.I expect as this war progresses we'll see this. Basically we are going to be alive to watch nukes used in theatre.
>>65024167>Iran is turning into this ludicrous clown show,The US having air superiority, wiping out their navy/airforce/nuke program/missile program/40+ leaders for the loss of three or four parked aircaft and ~20 KIA is a "clown show"? We lost more people invading Grenada. >b... but hormuz!Actually go and look at the price of oil right now. $100 a barrel is not a big deal, it once sat there for three years all by itself. Its once we touch $120 a barrel that things start getting really bad. We're not going to get to $120 per barrel because OPEC hates Iran just as much as everyone else does.
>>65028556Rare so you see an Israeli bot that's so transparently an Israeli bot.
>>65029994Where's the navy, faggot.
>>65024167Does the DoD budget also goes into veterans benefits like healthcare, disabilities and paying for education? Could cut that shit out and have a proper welfare system instead so the army's bureaucracy could be streamlined toward actually doing army shit like buying weapons and using them.
>>65028556>$100 a barrel is not a big dealtankers that left hormuz a month ago with their cargo still haven't reached their destination, the crisis is just starting but you claim it's not a big deal is fucking ludicrous
>>65024265Silo ICBMs are now solid rockets that can launch and be out of danger in under 10 seconds. Its currently a relatively easy detect-reactlaunch situation with local radars. I say currently because HGV stealth how much shit flying already factor in.
>>65030702>tankers that left hormuz a month ago with their cargo still haven't reached their destination, the crisis is just starting but you claim it's not a big deal is fucking ludicrous*literally has no idea how commodities markets work*
>>65030816>Silo ICBMs are now solidThey've been solids for like... 60 years, Anon. If you aren't using solids in your ICBMs, you will die.
>>65031192Which is why no one will ever launch nukes at a silo and therefore why they're useless.
>>65031192About half of Vatnigger ICBM and SLBM types use hypergolic liquid fuel. Even their latest RSM-56 Bulava SLBM is mixed design with two solid stages and liquid final stage allow higher maneuverability in space to avoid defenses and higher accuracy. Their latest ICBM, RS-28 Sarmat is liquid fuel design, mostly because liquid fuels are quite a bit more efficient than solids when it comes to creating thrust. Obvious drawback being much more expensive missile maintenance, but that has never been too high on Russian priorities.
>>65030052I'm Australian schlomo we never had a navy. Hopefully the Iranians put you cunts back in the oven. Truly doing gods work.
>>65027955Says the jew
