Is a sea mine instant death for a US submarine operating in the shallow waters of the Persian gulf?
With their weapon ranges and equipment capabilities US submarines don't need to enter the Persian Gulf, which you know, brownoid.
>>65023110He doesn’t know how anything works. OP is the type of dork that believes pro-Iran tranny AI propaganda LMAO.
>>65023110US navy submarines are conducting missions in the gulf right now.
>>65023110Plus, they’d just use their mine detection sonar since there is approximately negative percent chance of Iran being able to do anything about it.
If the Iranians mine the straight not only would it stop shipping it would trap a US submarine. It can't go to a friendly port or it will be spotted and attacked.
>>65023134Lol.Lmao.
>>65023134It could always just avoid them
>>65023140They couldn't manage to go around a Japanese fishing boat.
>>65023149They seem to manage it just fine everytime they transit the taiwan strait unimpeded
A sea mine is basically death in most cases for a large surface warship. These things are often huge, many hundreds of KG of explosive, one could take out 10 subs.
>>65023156>taiwan strait is mined
>>65023163The fishing boats, anon
The shipping lane is far smaller than the whole straight.
>>65023161Except for that oliver hazard perry
>>65023161Bro a submarine is a pressurized cylinder with a exoskeleton expected to withstand hundreds of meters of water pressure. If any naval vessel could tank a hit from a sea mine and come out still operational its a nuclear powered submarine.
>>65023110fpbp
>>65023425Submarines deliver frogmen...
>>65023413A surface ship can have its bow blown off and still limp homeThe slightest hull breach to a submarine can be catastrophic exactly because it's a pressurised cylinder
>>65023609*sigh* still not getting it are you? Submarines are the armored citadels of battleships turned into cylinders, you know, one of the strongest shapes in 3D space. Modern ships are fucking paper thin in comparison and have tons of flat surfaces. A mine will do much more damage to a surface vessel these days than a modern submarine.
I fell for the bait
>>65023624surely a direct hit would still take out a sub though right? explosions underwater will royally fuck up anything
>>65023096What are subs going to do? Iran doesn't have a surface fleet and the US has air superiority so what can a sub do that planes can't do better?The only thing I can think of is hunting other subs but choppers can do that faster.
FM sonar, capable of detecting moored mines, was equipped on US submarines during World War II. However, since it was not possible to constantly emit sound waves from active sonar while navigating, mine-related damage continued to occur.
>>65023624NTA, a surface vessel can have a heap of excess buoyancy so they can survive several compartments being flooded.A submarine with excess buoyancy can't dive, they have to be near neutral buoyancy to function as subs meaning they can't handle more than 1 compartment flooding.
Yeah but this is why you send divers ahead of subs to map routes and if necessary deactivate mines to clear a path.It's not relevant to the Persian Gulf but in a Taiwan Strait scenario you have the potential with divers to move a sub around/within minefields and then conduct ambushes. This takes time though.>>65023413Your delusions aside, the shockwave alone will kill the crew.>w-well the adamantium shells reflect all pressure wavesNo you fucking retard.
Did we really need another braindead level discussion on mines? Truly?
>>65023903just be thankful it isnt another AWACS thread
>>65023096Why are you brown
>>65023820>>65023835A submarine can withstand ramming face first into a fucking mountain you absolute DO NOT REDEEM! hindu cock sucking faggots. Cope harder, fags.
>>65023096Old school mines are no problem as they can be easily detected. The problem is modern non magnetic mines that look like a big rock and just sit on the sea bed half covered in sand. They have enough explosive to crack the spine of a ship all the way to the surface so they are most definetly death sentences for subs.The question is what does Iran have in stock. Because the cartoony landmines are mostly just a nuisance but non magnetic sea floor mines are a massive pain in the ass and require very sensitive short range sensor on underwater drones to scan the seabed to find any unusual voids inside rocks approach and then try to sense for the super faint electric noise the presence of an active chemical battery in water still makes to confirm the positive. But due to many false positives takes forever.
>>65023096>us submarine operating in shallow waterLOL
>>65024309>and require very sensitive short range sensor on underwater drones to scan the seabed to find any unusual voids inside rocks approach and then try to sense for the super faint electric noise the presence of an active chemical battery in water still makes to confirm the positiveWow, I sure am grateful we retired the Avengers and fielded the LCS
>>65023156>min depth on ts 100 meters>min depth on hormuz 30yeah i cant see ANY problem
>>65023835Udt shit is amazing it's funny to me people become seals then spend their whole career trying not to do seal shit and try and larp as swat/ct.
>>65024414The good news is that the secretary of war would have to be a complete retard to order an operation like that.Can you guess what the bad news is?
>>65023096
OP i hope you realize every time you make a dogshit psyop thread like this it makes all of us feel a bit more like america is actually winning.you don't seem to realize that no one take you seriously because you've spent the last 5+ years making "this is how america loses!" bait threads or lazy fake news threads.
>>65023624Quick q, do you doubt a torpedo, say mk48, could sink a submarine? And then how many pounds of explosives do you think are in a mine vs in a torpedo? And then maybe rethink your belief that a submarine is some underwater tank just because it can resist a bit of water pressure, bearing in mind even 1000m of water is only about 100bar, so a weak domestic pressure washer.
>>65024965Ahh yes I forgot that USN sub captains become jihadi warriors eager to be the first skipper to lose a sub in combat in over 80 years in conditions they e been explicitly trained not to go into.
>>65026478> they e been explicitly trained not to go into.US subs have been doing secret squirrel shit for eighty years
>>65023624>>65025111Mark 48 is overkill for attacking submarine. Navies generally use lightweight torpedoes for ASW
>>65026702You are just straight up wrong there. Lightweight torpedoes don't exist due to "overkill", they exist due to the limitations of helicopter or plane launch platforms, and as an example sting ray has to rely on a shaped charge to be effective, generally to force the sm to surface to then be sunk. Most heavyweights were designed specifically to have the range, speed, and warhead to 1-shot a sub, not "overkill" at all. And if a torpedo has enough bang to do it then a mine does too.
>>65023096Any sub operating in a potential minefield would be at permanent battlestations with the watertight doors sealed, so it would probably still be intact enough to conduct an emergency blow and surface, especially in shallow water. The sub might or might not be a loss, but the crew would probably come out mostly intact aside from the directly breached compartment.
>>65023096Yeah, obviously. That's why they're covered in mine detecting sonars. They also have the mobile submarine simulators which can trigger acoustic and magnetic mines. And if they're feeling lucky, they'll use the UUV thing to disarm or destroy the mine. Submarine operations have been primarily non-combative since the end of ww2. They use them for intel gathering which sometimes involves molesting undersea cables and mapping minefields.
>>65026660About this, the russians had sonobouys anchored to the sea floor near entrances to their major naval sea ports in the 60s/70/s/80s (at least their western ones did, presumably the russians deployed them in the Barents, etc as well) and the USN knew this. When the bouy detected a sub it would pop to the surface and send a radio signal, sort of like a tripwire burglar alarm. The USN had been able to map out which ones worked and which ones were duds and thus were able to shape a course to their intended destination without being noticed.I wish there was technical data available on these, like a Jane's catalog or something. Fascinating stuff.
>>65027538*Western. Oops, I meant Pacific.
>>65023835should've built them with non-magnetic like 212a. Also, electrochemical will always beat reactor in acoustic quietness.>inb4 diesel electric can't into long range.Modern forward deployed SSK with AIP can easily navigate Western Pacific/SCS without any snorkeling.
>>65026771>mine detecting sonarsThat isn't very tactical.
>>65028212?
>>65023149Retard that doesn't understand the difference in passive and active sonar detected. If they were using active sonar they'd absolutely have seen the japenese fishing boat. However, for missions around China and Japan they only use passive sonar.
>>65030565Lol, some nice cope there, Jonathan Shaquille Hernandezhow the fuck does ramming a fishing boat off Oahu have anything to do with OPSEC here ? Were chinese torpedo boats also presented around Hawaii back then, you fucking mutt for brain ?
>>65023096If it gets hit, yes. Actually hitting a Sub is an entirely different matter. A good submarine crew would have the entire minefield mapped and have several paths in and out of the area scouted before committing to an operation.
>>65023117Proof? Launching TLAM isn’t one.
>>65023096Well they would have to actually mine it first.
>>65023117Who's that lil fella
>>65023820The USSR designed their subs with a lot of reserve buoyancy for emergencies which is one of the reasons there's so many firsthand accounts of russian sub accidents that involved major flooding
>>65023096Didn't they only manage to deploy around a dozen?
>>65023413Maybe on the surface but at depth? It causes a cascade of failures. Water pressure crumples bulkhead after bulkhead as buoyancy is lost and the sub sinks faster and faster. A good crew might be able to emergency blow and surface before the sub is lost but it depends on where the sub is hit.
>>65024233If by "withstand" you mean "nearly every crew member injured in some way, some in critical condition, barely saved from sinking by prompt damage control, and rendered more or less combat inoperative" then yeah, I guess they can, lmao. And you think a mine detonation is gonna be easier to survive than grinding into a gentle slope covered in a thick layer of marine mud? Care to explain this retardation?>muh JEEEETSRent free.
