So what countermeasures, have the Marines adopted to prevent scenes like this the moment they get sent in against Iran?I'm referring to fiberoptic FPV drones with 30-40 km of cable spool.
They've been building their own, making specialty counter UAV ammunition and EW/DEW. But we won't know how well any of it works until they have to use it
>>65023240>I'm referring to fiberoptic FPV drones with 30-40 km of cable spool.Iran doesn't have any of those.
>>65023252>counter UAV ammunition Like little anti drone interceptor missiles? Any of this stuff in service?>EWI said fibreoptic
>>65023240>fiberoptic FPV drones with 30-40 km of cable spooldoes iran even have any of these i thought they only had the shaheds
>>65023255If Iranian proxies in Iraq have them.Iran most definitely has a LOT of them.
>>65023240Probably nothing that'll work right away aside from spectrum jamming, which doesn't work for fibre. The day this board gets it's first FPV-on-marine action will be one for the books for sure.
>>65023240I’m guessing we have some spicy jamming equipment that we don’t know much about yet, that could possibly affect fiber optic drones. Possibly whatever was used in Caracas? I’m doubtful, but I guess we’ll see in a few weeks.
>>65023258>I said fiber opticYa ya sure, they won't all be fiber optic but that's what the DEW part was for>any of this stuff in serviceProbably not "in service", no, but the US has been testing the stuff coming out of ukraine for at least a year. Specifically 5.56 and 12ga c-uas rounds. I've not heard much about the 5.56 ones but the 12ga ones are said to perform well and are highly regarded
>>65023268if jamming doesnt work, high power microwave will. good luck shielding electronics
>>65023281Good luck dragging around enough power to protect every platoon with some fancy microwave generator.
>>65023287its literally portable, you don't know what you're talking about
>>65023272We have DEWs that could work just fine, but more likely we'll just use Ukraine's interceptors until we know how our goybeam/liberty laser works with them. They're exporting thousands.
>>65023262dam they are just handing out these terrible things? someone should stop them from doing that
>>65023289>its literally portableMay we see it?Range?
>>65023268Will fiber ever work on water? All you have to do is just drive back and forth on a speedboat from the direction of fire?
>>65023240>Israel will get NUKED if it tries shit!>Carriers WILL get sunk if America tries shit!>Speedboats will sink the Ford!>M-missiles will ROCK Tel-Aviv>AMERICANS ARE GOING TO DIE SO MUCH IN DROVES HOLY SHIT IF THEY ATTEMPT A LAND INVASION IT'S SO OVER FOR DRUMP AHHAHAAHA
>>65023240seeing how they were unprepared for shaheeds I fear the only countermeasures are thoughts and prayers
>>65023268>The day this board gets it's first FPV-on-marine action will be one for the books for sure.>AI generated, you are banned
>current pulls the wire off the spool before the fpv can even get to the island. It's funny how browns have no understanding of water bodies. Like those pajeets that filmed themselves drowning in a small pond
>>65023438>unpreparedUnderprepared, perhaps. I don't know why anyone thinks that being prepared for something means you must have a 100% reliable counter to it. The entire drone meta hinges on there being no 100% reliable way to counter them because it's statistically improbably to ever stop them all. Launch 600 in one day, get 1 or 2 strikes. Do that a few days in a row, those 3-6 hits might actually be on something valuable.
>>65023456people who spam ai shit are the most oppressed race
>>65023240By having actual air superiority and just killing the operators.
Trump will write a threatening TRUTH if any marines are harmed.
>>65023262Those aren't fiber optic.
>>65023505>If IRAN does not IMMEDIATELY SURRENDER, we will send the REAL MILITARY to deal with them, and there will be NO MERCY. Unlike sleepy Joe Biden and Crooked Hillary, I will as that everything be DESTROYED, and we will take the oil as repayment. Thank you for your attention to this matter. >President Donald J. Trump.
>>65023240doesn't ukraine have drones for frying the unshielded fiber optics with lasers?I still think the long term solution to quad copter drone is some kind of AR scope/headset on a shotgun so soldiers can detect and blast them easily
>>65023456Mindbroken schizo, I'm still here
>>65023435plez, do not muddy Ukraine's reputation w jewish stuff
>>65023534You forgot to Capitalize random Words
>>65023769Fuck, I thought I did. Need to work on it.
>>65023240Brown hands typed this. The USA turned off Caracas and microwaved Cuban brains. FAFO is coming
>>65023435How did he fart so hard?
>>65023268Drones sweeping with dazzlers work on fiber.
>fiber optics don't work over water, island hopping is safe>wireless drones are easy to jam>small-ish operation will have 24/7 overwatch from air support>spear tip will likely have every new hard-kill toy under the sun>fiber drones that are already embedded on the islands will be suicidal to operate, you may as well just be a plainclothes sniper or mortar operator like usual for insurgentsI'm not saying we'll never ever see it happen, but it's not gonna be a drone swarm bloodbath. These things have been out there for years now and we haven't seen them tear up Israeli or American forces based in the Middle East at all. There's only what, two videos of grenade drops on IDF troops despite all the ruckus they've been causing?
>>65023435It's depressing to see people just become ziggers themselves and act like the US/West is completely untouchable and won't take any losses or casualtiesYeah Iran is gonna get stomped apparently, but it's just hubris to assume they won't be able to touch us while that happens
>>65024031>Surely the US will have casualties THIS time!Do you really think the entire country of Iran will manage to do better than an incel with a knife and a BMW?
>>65023240They will probably be giving the 5.8ghz jammer guns LEO have been using for years.How well that works depends on how much attention Iran has been paying to the Ukraine war. In Ukraine both sides are using all kinds of antennas to run anywhere from 0.9ghz all the way up to 6ghz making these jammers useless.
i still dont get the drone problem. have they tried just shooting it lol.
>>65024056>'m referring to fiberoptic FPV drones with 30-40 km of cable spool.Oops, in that case there isn't much, right now CROWs is probably the best thing in service. They are looking for the perfect solution which means they haven't fielded anything at scale yet.>>65024067I know right? You see guys crying about how fucked infantry are when they are being hunted by attack shoppers but they forget the engine intake isn't armoured, just shoot the intake :^)
>>65024067I'll bet you have as much of a problem as anyone else in hitting a running rabbit at 80 meters, drones are coming in at 60-100mph.>>65023240It's going to be a shitshow like how road IEDs were a huge problem. The US hasn't developed, implemented, and deployed anything necessary to prevent personnel killer drones.It's going to be completely embarassing.
>>65024075>It's going to be completely embarassing.Face culture turdie detected
>>65024079Not sorry that the truth hurts your feelings.If Iran/iranian allied forces were to use drones at the scale russia-ukraine has been the US is going to have a very big problem on our hands that we aren't equipped to deal with.We've had ten years to get ahead of this problem and have nothing for it.But, again, that's assuming iran has such drones and the people to use them.
>>65024099>US service men dying is "embarrassing" instead of being an issue because of the deaths themselves>We'veStop pretending, brown.
>>65023240I bet if they go to Iran, “The few the proud” are going to become even Fewer
>>65023456Yes that’s going to be the angle. Once Iran releases drone footage, the US will probably make urs own .mil cyber ops (aka spamming) even more observable with their overly rigid script calling the footage AI fakes, not to mention pissing off the families who recognize their loved one in the marines.
>>65024103Pretty sure the “brown” thing started with the UK studying how to turn illegal (for them) stormfront memes against the “vatniks”, and has now filtered down the halfhearted copypasters in Eglin
In the short term I am betting that the counter to them will be "Tempo! Tempo! Tempo!" Practically every drone video in existence has the luxury of existing in the first place because the FPV operators know where the Vatniks are going to be well ahead of time due to them being predictable or knowing where they are entrenched. The extreme odd-man out situation does happen, but ultimately most videos are the consequence of a drone operator doing a patrol just as a separate patrol of meatniks happen to be there. Go in, go fast, don't scatter while you're on the road. One of the reasons why we don't see many vids of IDF (soldiers) being hit by drones is because they don't stick around, or they sit inside of buildings that drones can't penetrate. House to house fighting to clear cities isn't something new. The Marines have done this a shocking number of times in the last 30 years if you really think about it. People seem to fixate on Mogadishu and think that's just how it happens without realizing the US backed out because Clinton cucked out. The Army and Marines took plenty of casualties clearing Baghdad (twice) and Kabul, yet the biggest stories that people focused on were the contractors who got killed and had their bodies strung up after. I remember because I was posting on /k/ at the time, I sure if anyone else is still around that they remember this, too.
>>65024179>I remember because I was posting on /k/ at the time/k/ wasn't around during fallujah, or did you mean something else?
>>65024179Tempo only works in open areas that allow rapid movement, if you are door kicking a city or securing checkpoints everyone knows you are going to be there.
>>65024190Yup, mb. I distinctly remember all the news stories and pictures that were posted on here at the time in '04. I don't think people realize how long it took actually pacify Fallujah. That shit took forever, and it's why we were still talking about it long after most everywhere else had been taken care of.
>>65024031>but it's just hubris to assume they won't be able to touch us while that happensExcept the common perception is that Iran is going to achieve a total victory against the US, not that they might inflict a few casualties.
>>65024226See>>65024046Just absolute denial, and at this point must be magatards just desperately running damage control like they did with the awacs
>>65024230That reads as sarcasm to me, Anon. He's making an Elliot Rodger joke.
>>65024103US personnel dying to drones when we could and should have been using the near last decade of conflict in Ukraine to field test and develop countermeasures is embarrassing on an operational level, yes
>>65023380Who is 'we' chang? you want to find out sooner or later?
>>65024231>I was only pretending to be retarded!ok
>>65024075>60-100mphcome on now. most these things barely catch up to a guy running from it.
I'm sorry ziggers, but you are getting nothing at alljamming + interception drones + autoturrets + laser
>>65024226I'm one of the guys that thinks Iran will win but it has nothing to do with combat.Iran will be bombed with impunity, they would be steamrolled by a large scale US invasion and Israel won't accept any peace deal.They are going to win because the US lacks the political will for true regime change and they can keep the strait closed to the US and allies forever with minimal effort. The US will fold to political pressure to accept a deal while Israel will keep bombing them to try and drag the US back into the war. This might make the US join in bombing again just because Trump is retarded / compromised but it won't be long until another deal is reached.In the end Israel and Iran will remain "at war" the same way north and south Korea at "at war" unless the US applies enough pressure to Israel to make them seek peace.Yes the US would take tens of thousands of casualties in a full scale invasion but the US could sustain millions of casualties if the political will existed from both the admin and the population.
>>65024131Did you read this from Incel Slave Z where news that the West is trying to bury get posted?
>>65024267>yeah we have all this stuff which would hard counter them>but we won't give them to Ukraine where they'll actually get tested!Surething.
>>65024031People are really discounting the quantitative disparity too. In 2003, the DoD assembled nearly 200,000 personnel for the invasion of Iraq, supported by another 250,000+ deployed to allied nations as logistic support. 690 casualties in 42 days.Iran is twice as large and has been "doomsday prepping" for an American invasion for decades, yet the tip of the spear consists of only the 82nd Airborne plus the 11th & 31st MEUs. Heliborne forces expected to subjugate 1000 times their number of "civilians" is all but begging a reprise of Gothic Serpent.
>>65024360This isn't a whole on invasion to conquer the country. They just need to secure some islands and at most the Strait of Hormuz. If any army tries to stop them they will just get bombarded to shit by air and sea.
>>65024467>If any army tries to stop themWhy would anyone try to fight the US military with their military, it's a losing battle.You defeat the US by using unconventional forces and refusing the meet them in open combat.
>>65024467>This isn't a whole on invasion to conquer the countryYou can't stop the drones and missiles if you don't send men into the many miles of tunnels to stop production.>They just need to secure some islands and at most the Strait of Hormuz.The islands with no cover and the strait that is under assault by missile strikes daily.>If any army tries to stop them they will just get bombarded to shit by air and sea.You could say this about either side in this conflict.Why are you commenting on something you know nothing about with such confidence? You can't half bomb a country into submission, we've tried this for half a century and it's never worked.
>>65023240>USMC vs dronesthis board will self-implode if it comes to this
>>65024103Disagreeing with the brainwash/delusion that the US mil needs to be called, and seen as, completely untouchable does not make a person "brown."I'm rational and realistic.Where are the portable-scale 20mm AA guns and/or kilowatt laser systems and the targetting gear to use them.Please, FUCKFACE, tell me how the US is currently equipped to defend our meat from something on the scale of the thousands of drones used per month as seen in Ukraine.
Let's keep the thread topic in view, mmm?>a hypothetical>what would or could happen to the announced relatively small deployment of US forces to some key area/s of Iran>if the scale of FPV droning in Ukraine were used against themhttps://youtu.be/d07JCwXM_Xg?t=151>Do you feel, the corrosion?>Do you feel, lost at sea?>Following the moonlight glistening deep blue,>I've been here before and I, will, bring, you home.>So long!>.>How, would it feel? >Down under the waves>Smothering air I've breathed, so alive.>Drowning!>Drowning!>Drow-ow, ning...>hurdy-gurdy interlude's into the crushing hell of water's embraceUnless the MIC has large scale deployable supplies of materiel I'm not aware of those boys would be completely fucked.But again, that's the thread topic's hypothetical of Ukraine scale fiberwired FPV combat.
>>65023292The Ukrainian anti drone drones (lol) are feasible only for larger shaheed type drones. We're talking about small FPV drones of which will most likely be numerous, perhaps in the 100s of thousands
>>65024056Don't they have any broadband jammers working all the way through the spectrum? Or is it too power consuming?
>>65023240>So what countermeasures, have the Marines adopted to prevent scenes like this the moment they get sent in against Iran?Underslung grenade launchers will have the option of ammo which is essentially a short-life explosive seeker drone for drone defense, don't ask me how I know this.
>>65024561It would use a heap of power and they would also interfere with each other weaking them so you need even more power.
>>65024561A kilowatt radio might be enough for a reliable 250-300 meters of radio kill, which might be enough range for if a drone has a failsafe visual target autohoming to fail.Kek lmao fuck, I just rebroke one or some of the tiny fracture pieces of my fingertip because I dropped my phone and tried to catch it and fucked up, smacked my fingers into the floor.Fuck this sucks. Well at least it just feels weird instead of hurting, fingertip bone tip itself doesn't really have much feeling and the flesh of the fingerpad is so thick it's only minor, as far as bone goes it's like a papercut on the skin.I'm gonna down the rest of my whiskey and be hung over at work tomorrow boys. Fml.Anyone still wanna talk about how to snipe marines with quadcopters?
>>65024573But let's say you have a larger vehicle to carry the juice needed to power it, wouldn't it make sense to just blast all frequencies still?
>>65024579>Kw for 200-300m That's more power than I thought, but I think you don't need even that much of s range against FPVs. Many of the jammers I've seen in Ukraine seem to start effectively blocking at no further than at around 50 meters and it seems to be enough
>>65024581It would make sense to operate radio tech from this century, not a "fuck everything" Nicholai Tesla device that's just a metal rod blasting broadband radio.A multi antenna array that can effect some level of beamforming (targetted emission lets you do more with the same power and use less when not needed) and computerized realtime signals detection/response. Because your enemy drone can and does operate with EW signal countermeasures. Spread spectrum, phase shifting, protocol changing, channel hopping, and hell all of that can run off of a $3 microprocessor 1/20th as capable as a single core of a modern phone.Go spend a minute looking up RC toy's ELRS protocol. It's so data efficient a clear Line Of Sight can get you 10s of KM distance off of MILIWATTS. That shit is insane, and that's consumer grade toys.Your window for jamming is your enemy could potentially only need 0.1 watt of power to keep a signal.>>65024587It's too complicated for me to spend the time explaining everything in a post, or three.Basically a kilowatt is an assurance that your enemy's gear cannot function at a range that guarantees safety. They can beamform too, and only needing a 50miliwatt link means they can get a lot of signal through the jamming."Jamming" basically means raising the "radio noise floor" higher than the signal's strength. If the technology allows the signal to be extremely weak, the jamming needs to be extremely powerful, or extremely precise, or both. And you can't get extreme radio precision without AESA arrays.
>>65024581What makes the most sense is to develop a solid hard kill option that will also work on optic fibre and autonomous drones too.
>>65024489You need to half bomb them AND cut off their supplies. What about the civilian population? Thats a different story
>>65024602Thanks for the effortpost, brother. Switching is something I suspect most of them already doing, as I believe sniffing the spectrum of who's broadcasting at which frequencies and jamming based on that would probably be a trivial task, right? But surely the drone operators have a failsafe of automatic frequency hopping in case of say >3 seconds of lost signal that would effectively counter the jammer?
>>65024624>what about theThe irony of history, of all of history, is that if whatever superior force just decimated every breathing thing to take the land solely for their selves they would have fared better and lasted longer.In short,FUCK EM.BOMB EVERYONE WHO ISNT YOU.
DESU if Iranian troops are like hezbollah, their morale will be low, no real fighting experience and they will prove little resistance
>>65024489Why is your girlfriend bouncing her butt on bbc? Oh. It's because you're posting chudjaks unironically
>>65024633>left>your post>right>everyone's reactionFun fact I used to collect as many variations of this as I could find and send them to one of my ex girlfriends just to fuck with her.You know what, I'm in a mood.Have another Cellar Darling song.https://youtu.be/nnLvaHHBJOcI've drunk posted these songs before just really feel the band deserves far more recognition for the album they put out.
>>65024627>fuck em, bomb everyone!I agree.
>>65023240>Marines getting blown up by drones on camera with the video being published online for the world to seethis will without a doubt be the most unpopular war in American history, more than it already is
There’s some, but not enough for everyone. You will soon see some 0311s getting hit by them, but it will still be nowhere near on the scale of what has been happening to Russia over the last four years.
>>65023240Most likely nothing. Too slow and janky military to adopt anything new and unconventional + political retardation to accept aid from Ukraine.
>>65023519hezbollah is using them now
>>65024226>Except the common perception is that Iran is going to achieve a total victory against the US, not that they might inflict a few casualties.Literally nobody thinks that. We're just clowning on the US because the US keeps beating its chest that it can blow all opposition away with ease, even as they get their cock circumcised a little more in the sandbox.Every Iranian over the age of 40 can be assassinated, and it will not be as catastrophic for the White House as the first FPV footage of a drone impacting Chris Crayons the Marine
>>65024240Do you at least get paid to be this retarded?>>65024267>How can I seethe about russia in an unrelated threadThere is no way this board is above an average of 70IQ.
>>65024750>this will without a doubt be the most unpopular war in American history, more than it already islol, not nearly as unpopular as Vietnam.If there's no great pile of US bodies then it'll be seen as worth the cost to remove the ayatollah and the IRGC regime.
>>65025704TBF the OP pic literally depicts a russian moments away from rapid disassembly
>>65024627The actual irony is that idiots actually believe this, and just cannot accept the fact that war is a complicated affair that's never been easy for anyone involved.
>>65024344>but mah Ukraine!Has not been a serious issue for this administration since 2025. The US has lots of toys, why would they send them to Ukraine when leftover 1980's tech is working just fine to mulch Russians?
>>65023255...why the fuck wouldn't they?What the fuck kind of assumption is that?Fuck me, I hope the crayon eaters are smarter than you are.
>>65023240F35s flying over the water with giant scissors to cut the fibre optics
>>65023258>I said fibreopticLaser striking the sides of the fibre optic will overload the controller circuit
>>65026334I expect that approach only to last for a year or so until some company makes cheap, miniaturized optic filters that you can stick on both ends.
>>65023287>enough powerTurns out diesel is energy dense as fuck.This is a 40kW generator. At full load it needs about 8 liters of diesel/hour.That's fucking nothing.
>>65025194Source?
>>65026066>why would we get actual field testing of our gear and adapt it to real combat scenarios when we can huff our own fartsLove how you galaxy gas huffing retards can't comprehend what a waste that is.
>>65026980a lot of US drone companies are doing exactly that though
>>65023240>So what countermeasures, have the Marines adopted to prevent scenes like this the moment they get sent in against Iran?You bomb the operators.
>>65025956On this board? In the current year? Given the context and content of his question, I'd just as soon think it's someone being smart and actively avoiding pissing off /k/'s jannies while still trying to make a legitimate thread. But I'm projecting.
>>65026446I saw it on x, search for hezbollah fiber optic drone i guess, they released a fpv video of hitting a tank
>>65023240They're all going to roll in their brand new MADIS systems of course.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66prWqCgBkYPoint defense.Use them as screening.Just don't wander away from those automatic AI controlled turrets with multiple optical sensors and a 30mm auto cannon with explosive rounds for those FPV fiber drones.How does no one not know about the marines new toys for drones.
