Can we seriously move on from this boring design?
>>65024404I really hope so. Its so ugly and all you ever see anymore.
Why? It's perfect. There's no meaningful improvements to be made in centerfire intermediate caliber select fire rifles. You just hate it because you're a nogunz who can't like popular things
>>65024404how would you fix it
>>65024404>>65024408>>65024415>>65024423Fuck yamudda
>>65024404Yeah
>>65024404I bought a VHS-2 and have been liking it. Currently the best bullpup design on the market, totally ambi out of the box, adjustable gas, bayonet and rifle grenade capable. bullpups are the future, the ar15 is the last of the traditional rifle designs
>>65024423stop using underbarrel rail as an excuse to have bad egonomics because "lol just put a aftermarket foregrip"stop having 19 feet of side rail as if anyone but "influencers" actually have laser modules or attaches lights with anything other than zapstrapsban keymodstop treating the "milspec" AR pistol grip as a standard and have reasonable grip angles given the rest of the rifleoverall just stop making guns that are just "AR, but hurts you spiritually AND physically to hold it any tigher than the most larper air rifle shooter 'artillery grip' "
>>65024507>bullpups are the future
>>65024514so true king
>>65024582sorry chud but they are. there is simply no reason to have a buffer tube in the current year, nor is there a reason to have inefficient weight balance, weight at the front of the gun makes no sense.
>>65024404We had the chance to have a cold shooting, room clearing friendly, sexy bullpup and instead we chose a fucking SHIG with excessive recoil that burns your hand after 10 rounds.
>>65024616>england and france dump their bullpups for ARs>most all footage from gaza show jews using ARs not tavors
>>65025673Because they mooched free guns from the U.S, which is why they have long used M16s and CAR15s in the past, in spite of having gone through the effort of developing the Galil to their liking and setting up production, thus why they always had more AR15s than Galils in use.It's the same story in recent decades, they went through the trouble of developing the Tavor to their liking and all, but since they're still bumming AR15s from the U.S, they mostly use those.Frustrations with AIPAC aside, it's the pragmatic choice of using a good rifle which you already have stockpiles of. Stockpiles someone else paid for.
The superior AR15 replacement was designed, produced, rejected by americans for not being an AR15, and forgotten.
>>65024404It's boring because it works. If you were alive 100 years ago you'd be bitching and crying that everything was a Mauser.
>>65024404The "moving on" is called the XCR which is a step-up engineering-wise in every sense, but people recoil in horror at the answer because the US military would have to admit out loud they came up with the correct answer 20+ years ago and didn't move on it.>>65025793That's a weird-looking XCR.
>>65025793Literally not better.>>65026040I love the XCR, but I'm not sure it's better than the AR15.
>>65025673>militaries always make the best decisionsIn that case 5.56 is shit and you're retarded if you don't use a 320
>>65024404We’re gonna use AR patterns in Andromeda.
>>65024404Might we progress beyond this uninspired form in which arms are produced?
>>65026320556 is the nato standard what are you talking about?>Sigger P320 hate You're a disgusting antisemitic dog
>>65027578Not anymore negro, it's 6.8 furry time since pussy 5.56 can't fight a PKM doing plunging fire
>>650275996.8 is for pipe shitters sometimes 556 is still the standard. If you run into a PKM as a nato squad you call air support in and if air space is contested you die.
>>65024404Be the change you want to see. I refuse to buy a standard ar and the only things close I'll consider are the brn180 or jakl.
i think the m27 just seems like a much better gun for typical infantry doctrine than either the m7 or the ar15. just unload on the enemy without having to worry about malfunctions or running out of ammo. how is it that only the marines figured this out
>>65029300There is a reason the Taiwanese and finnish went gas piston.
>>65024415Nta but I was 11b during the surge and slapped together ars after I got out. They're great guns and I'm pretty good with them but whew am I bored of them. I was about to buy a mini14 which is objectively worse and more expensive but still good enough, because I'm so bored of them.Ended up putting together one of the H&R (fancy PSA) m16a1 clones because it scratched my itch for something I think looks cool and different while still kinda being the gun I'm best with.I don't care anymore, I want heart guns now not brain guns.
>>65029446The Finns are not doing piston for their 5.56mm rifles and carbines, only for the 7.62mm DMRs, as far as I know.
>>65029468NTA >I want heart guns now not brain guns.People call me retarded for being this way but honestly we have interesting guns coming out that are non ar if you are willing to spend more than 800 dollars for semi autos. Unfortunately people realize that ar can be had for under 500 and assume everything else is irrelevant due to price and access. Even as a never serve a rifle I like more and spend more time with will be better than the gun people believe everyone should have.
>>65029497The ARG is available and listed in service for both the DI and gas model in 556. I don't know who uses the gas one though. Also yeah the dmr is I am pretty sure.
>>65029504Finns are using 'DI' for the 5.56mm guns, Swedes are using piston for most of them.
>>65029497>The Finns are not doing piston for their 5.56mm rifles and carbinesThey most certainly are.>>65029543>Finns are using 'DI' for the 5.56mm gunsNo they are not.
>>65024415I don't like it because I don't like to see the same fucking thing over and over. Just ban the design. Force people to innovate.
>>65029600Not him butAssuming the arg stuff is accurate then I guess they mean by in service for the direct impingement is just police operations or similar.
>>65027578P320 is a bad pistol, loxist.
>>65029600No, the Finnish army are not using piston 5.56mm guns. The police and home guard might be, but that's not the army.
>>65029883>the Finnish army are not using piston 5.56mm gunsIndeed as of current time they are using 7.62 piston guns. In the near future however they will adopt 5.56 piston AR's
>>65029883Only the reservist training rifle is the DI
>>65024404Bullpups aren't going to be a thing, you're just autistic
>>65031048Bullpups will be a thing and Milhouse is a meme
>>65024415the charging handle design is retarded and they don't suppress terribly well
ah yes, much hetter!
>>65024404The cheese grater handguards and tiny flip up sights are so idiotic for mass production military issue rifles.
>>65024404Sure, if you can make a better one.
>>65025728They're called foreign military sales (FMS) for a reason.
>>65029468>I want heart guns now not brain guns.
>>65024404its the best design. you probably live in a shit state that prevents you from having one, otherwise you'd just shut up and buy a lever action, bolt action, hk space gun, steyr whatever you want.
>>65024404For those of us who just want cost-effective tools, there's no problem. Even if we want some particular feature, we just pay for it.You can already get all sorts of different designs if you're willing to pay for them.It's easier than ever for women and faggots to make money to show off their fashion sense.
