How do you defend ground forces holding a small island near the enemy from drones and missiles?
Concentrated SHORAD and earthworks
>>65024630Take more land so they dont have the range to shoot at you
>>65024630You rig the entire thing to blow the fuck up because your regime isn't getting it back regardless.
>>65024645Also make sure to use the oil on the island to both light the thing up like a goddamn roman candle AND pollute the whole of the gulf for the next decade. Because fuck literally everyone else around there.
>>65024634purely hypothetically, you have less than 24 hours to prepare and half of your aircraft carrier strike package had to leave theater due to its mcdonalds burning down
>>65024645>>65024650Oh wait you mean if you're America, lol!!! srry, didn't read!! No see if the Iranians lose the island they know they're not getting it back so long as their regime is in power. The USA has made that clear. There is no instance in which the island gets taken by us and it is actually fully in tact or the oil facilities are not immediately rendered useless by the Iranians themselves through drone or missile strikes. This won't be used as a bargaining chip. Essentially, if we take it we won't need to defend it because it wont have anything on it the Iranians are going to want unless we set up massive AA facilities to intercept drones. Those might be a target, but Iran's main threat is to global trade and just the idea of them being able to mine or launch missile attacks on ships in the strait of Hormuz is enough to render it closed and the cargo that moves through it stationary.
>>65024630Sanitize all land ,within the engagement range of expected threats, of human life.
>>65024630Yell "Allah Snackbar" and an hero.
>>65024630You take the island and then deploy UGVs to defend it
>>65024630By having the best military in history. Peerless.
>>65024657The island is a retransmission point for tankers too large to make it to the Iranian shore. The only value it has to the US is denying it to Iran and using it as a bargaining chip in negotiations. It makes zero sense for Iran to blow it up
>>65024675>It makes zero sense for Iran to blow it upExcept:>The only value it has to the US is denying it to Iran and using it as a bargaining chip in negotiations. >using it as a bargaining chip in negotiationsThey already didn't have a nuclear program and the USA still attacked. From their perspesctive the USA and Israel has put the regime on death ground. Why in the fuck would you let people that have put you on death ground have a bargaining chip??
You don't, you move them in specifically to get killed and thus stoke up popular support for a proper invasion.
>>65024685This. Maybe send a bunch of young (christian) nurses in a convoy very near the Iran-Iraq border, conspicuously undefended. Let stories of their violations stoke the outrage at home.
>>65024680if it were me? I'd saturate the whole place in oil and light a match. I can't have it, no one can.
>>65024675Iran already is economically crippled. The only thing destroying the island does is effectively turning off 5% of the readily available global oil supply for the next 10 years and another 25% of the global production of oil stuck in the straight remains turned off until the regime is physically removed. Our industrialized economies can't survive this.This is also why Iran is switching tactics to nationalizing the straight and leveraging tolls to make its money. They proved that they can survive a full strength attack from the US so now, with no credible deterrent, they have a free hand to do whatever they want in the straight unless a full scale ground invasion ensues
>>65024630Trump says he puts men there (none go), then bombs the shit out of all the infrastructure and says Iran did it
>>65024663Why would American's yell that?
>>65024675>negotiationsWhat negotiations? The ones the Iranians kept coming to and then just getting attacked regardless? The one about their nuclear program that was supposedly destroyed last year and were now "negotiating" to dismantle their atomized remnants? The Islamic Republic will never see that island in their possession again if the USA takes it. Because the west has made it abundantly clear that the Islamic Republic as a government will not be allowed to exist....Do you think they don't know that? If they think the USA is going to take the island or if the USA is about to do it. They might as well blow it up. They're not seeing it again anyway. They'll leave us parading over our victory on top of a pile of scraps just so they can dare us to march into Tehran.
>>65024709for bantz
It's tiny how hard could it be
>>65024630>Based on May 2011 data, the groundwater depth on Kharg Island ranges between approximately 2.5m and 8.1mTunnel where you can, die where you can't.Hope they don't send a SRBS after your deepest tunnels.
>>65024708So he gets all the political backlash of boots on the ground without any of the benefits and does a false flag no one on earth would fall for?This is like those retards saying Russia hit Nord Stream, they were profiting from it and had no motive to take it out.
>>65024720Sounds like you've pre-emtively fallen for the false flag
>>65024724Double false flag, aka flag.
>>65024720>This is like those retards saying Russia hit Nord StreamThat's exactly what Olaf Scholz said
>>650247265D false flagging
>>65024720>This is like those retards saying Russia hit Nord Stream, they were profiting from it and had no motive to take it outWith how they dealt with the war this actually isn't a distant possibility lol
>>65024763>this actually isn't a distant possibilityIt is, because Ukraine was discovered to have blown up nordstream
>>65024713Taking it isnt a problem. It's holding it without without mounting casualties and political costs. Its within range of artillery and drones. How are you going to resup the marines? This pussyfooting is wasting lives. Should of taken tehran by now.
>>65024787If you overthrow the government and take Tehran unconventional forces burn all oil infrastructure to the ground out of spite.Now you need to occupy for at least 5 years while it's rebuild and likely much longer to make sure it doesn't get blown up again the second you leave.
>Trump says he's eyeing Kharg Island>Top US officials saying they're eyeing Kharg Island>All the media is talking about is Kharg Island>Multiple threads on /k/ and other forums inferring the target of a ground invasion is Kharg IslandCan't you people read between the lines?
>>65024797It's no where near enough forces moving in for a mainland invasion but they might be stupid enough to think they can hold like 5 buildings in Tehran and control the country.
>>65024797this board isn't really a venue for discussion at the moment, or really for the past month or so. It's just a fucking signal repeating noise box of propaganda, disinfo and narrative shaping ops.
>>65024792No. This isnt afghanistanKeep coping
>>65024720>This is like those retards saying Russia hit Nord Stream, they were profiting from it and had no motive to take it out.You have a very shallow understanding of the issue, my brown friend. Russia wasn't actually sending gas through the blown up pipeline (NordSteam 1 - yes, there are more of them), even though they should have done it. They were trying to force an energy crisis in Germany to have them surrender on Ukrainian behalf. However, the contracts in place specified that Russia did in fact had to send gas and would be hit with penalties if they did not. Blowing up the pipeline thus had two major points:- get a way out from the penalties of not sending gas through the certified NordStream 1 pipeline;- scare the Germans into a submissive position, with them begging and approving to gas transfer via the sanctioned and non-certified NordStream 2 pipeline, which is still left operational;
>>65024720Also>had no motive toThis is basic bitch propaganda logic, which they also use to say "we had no motive to shoot down MH-17, it was Ukrainians who did that", however we all know that russia in fact did it.
>>65024675>It makes zero sense for Iran to blow it upsee this is why you dont get itiran wont have an oil problem if they blew it up the rest of the world will however
>>65024805refer to >>65024783
>>65024811>former Ukrainian officerWhy is he a former one?
>>65024803>This isnt afghanistanWhy not? Are you saying Iran of all places has less muslim extremists than Afghanistan? Do you think the Taliban guys that say they are bored with peace and want another fight will sit this out?>>65024805>They were trying to force an energy crisis in GermanySo turn it off, why destroy the infrastructure when you can just close the valve? >the contractsLike the 1991 recognition of Ukraine's borders, the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, the 1997 "Big Treaty" or the 2014 Minsk agreements?Russia doesn't honor shit and I refuse to believe they care about a contract.>>65024808>MH-17You mean while they are actively at war with Ukraine? It was an accident just like Ukraine hitting Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 but because it's Russia they had to try and cover it up instead of admitting liability.
>>65024817Can't have Zelenskyy ordering an active soldier to attack one of his benefactors, so they "retired" to give the Ukrainian government plausible deniability of them acting alone.
>>65024823>so they "retired"Before 2014? Why are you making random shit up?The guy was in the military for 5 years before 2000. He joined the damned Soviet Union's military, for crying out loud, after which he spent time doing random jobs, failing to settle down.
>>65024630you don'tair dominance. if they induce tactical bombers by trying to hide in holes they loose 90% of their oil revenue for a decade
>>65024819>So turn it off, why destroy the infrastructure when you can just close the valve?My brown friend, it was already "turned off". Russia was facing penalties for that. Destroying the pipeline creates a force majeure and avoids that.>Russia doesn't honor shit and I refuse to believe they care about a contract.This is a commercial contract enforceable internationally. They've already had a fuck ton of lost court cases about contracts and seized property which the lose and get their stuff seized by courts.>Ukraine hitting Siberia Airlines Flight 1812The open secret is that russia shot down that plane (russians were doing AA training in Crimea back then) but asked the Ukrainian president to take the fall for it for some gibs.
>>65024630>How do you defend ground forces holding a small island near the enemy from drones and missiles?
>>65024823kys nucommie kremlin dictatorslop propagandist
>>65024819>It was an accidentWhitewashing russians again? In 2026? Ngmi
>>65024826And then Zelenskyy hired him and a team of other men, and one woman to make them seem like a holiday tour, in 2022 to blow up Nordstream.If you still want to believe that the Russians blew up nordstream, then fine. But still, I have to say that it is pretty strange for Poland to refuse to extradite an allegedly Kremlin operative to Germany over accusations of blowing up German infrastructure, you would think Poland would have used such an incident to drum up support in Germany for military support to Ukraine.
>>65024829>enforceable internationallyLike some kind of "international law" I'm sure they respect that.>The open secret is that russia shot down that planeOk what about Iran Air Flight 655? Point is accidents do happen.>>65024835Not whitewashing just assuming high levels of incompetence based on a preponderance of evidence.
>>65024833>>65024839Yeah, and Poland protected a Russian operative, right?
>>65024839>And then Zelenskyy hired him and a team of other menJust like he "retired," right?Again, why do you have to make random shit up like this?You supposedly have the evidence and information to show that he's an Ukrainian operative, but you choose to just lie and lie and lie instead? It's farcical, it's stupid and it's insulting, because you assume everyone else to be as retarded as you obviously are.
>>65024845I'm going off of reports, if you still want to stick your head in the sand and ignore all the evidence of Ukraine blowing up nordstream, then fine. I know you have a narrative to stick to, the truth is irrelevant to you.
>>65024846>I'm going off of reportsIs that why you made shit up twice?Wow, fanciful reports those are. Are they inside your head, whispered in your ear as you try to settle down to sleep?>I know you have a narrative to stick to, the truth is irrelevant to you.Very ironic.
If I was an iranian goat enjoyer and burgers took out my last remaining profitable business (ability to export oil) I'd go full retard and set everything I could on fire, oil fields, gas fields, bomb all desalination plants I could reach. If I can't have shit so can't anybody else, zigger style
>>65024849That's why it's important to capture the island, not destroy it.It leaves the ability to keep the oil export operation ongoing, but under constant threat of being blocked at will. It's a far more acceptable position for everyone in the region.
What if the US were to continue antagonizing Iran with non-decisive actions to foster an evergreen anti-US sentiment in the country? Not that I'm pro Iran either, but it feels like two pigs rolling in the mud
>>65024847the reports are mentioned in the numerous screenshots of articles I've been posting, articles that you keep ignoring, articles from Western media, mind you. https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pipeline-explosion-in-the-baltic-sea-how-early-did-the-cia-know-about-the-nord-stream-attack-a-3191daf5-bb02-4395-b08b-3cb7acce557bAre you actually going to address those articles or will you keep ignoring the evidence? Don't answer that, I already know what you're going to do.
The question is asking how US troops protect themselves from drones at such close proximity to Iran mainland you illiterate retards.
>>65024858Yeah no fucking shit Sherlock
>>65024857>articles from Western media, mind you.It's good that you admit you're some third worlder. It was obvious already, but this attitude proves it conclusively.>Are you actually going to address those articlesAre you actually going to provide evidence for your claims?Of course not.
>>65024858>Kharg Island is located approximately 25 kilometres (about 15 miles or 15 nautical miles) off the southern coast of mainland Iran in the Persian Gulf>>65024858>The question is asking how US troops protect themselves from drones at such close proximity to Iran mainland you illiterate retards.With ease. How many of Irans drones even got near to a US warship. It's always fascinating to see how nucommie dicatorslop posters can't into war and the derranged bullshit they shit out. Fun times for any Iranian mullah FLIR signature that even tries going for a walk on that stretch of Irans coast as well. Total air dominance fucker.
>>65024855Unless murricans managed to make themselves explosion-proof this seems ill-advised. It's easy not to take losses when you're chilling on an aircraft carrier 400 miles away. It's less so when you're like 20 miles away from the mainlandUS has an unofficial "okay you can turn brown people into fertilizer by the thousand without our say so, but you can only lose money on it, not people" sort of deal. Once the casualties start mounting and we get funny drone webm compilations starring murricans instead of ziggers and piggers there will be riots on the streets.The situation seems to slowly deteriorate into yet another "win all the fights but lose the war". I'm not sure there's a good solution.
>>65024868How do browns dicatorslop retards like you even cope with daily life if you are this retarded or do you just post this slop because you must or be seen as disloyal to dicatorsloppa.
>>65024868>Unless murricans managed to make themselves explosion-proof this seems ill-advised.Soldiers' lives are a consumable resource used up to achieve military objectives.I know Americans often forget this fact, but it's what soldiers exist for, and it's about time they relearn that reality.>"okay you can turn brown people into fertilizer by the thousand without our say so, but you can only lose money on it, not people" sort of deal.Which will be forgotten the moment another horrible terrorist attack, totally committed by Iran, happens on US soil.Maybe an autonomous drone swarm released over a major city, killing thousands?
All Iran need is one FPV drone video of a US soldier getting droned and it's over
>>65024811>>65024823>>65024839
>>65024874>Soldiers' lives are a consumable resource used up to achieve military objectives.In dictatorrsloppa. The US can take and hold that island forever with no danger at all while they eat burger king and icecream again>>65024867>How many of Irans drones even got near to a US warship.The USA just won a free US aircraft carrier permently situated in Hormuz plus control of 90% of Irans oil exports. For free.
>>65024840>Like some kind of "international law" I'm sure they respect that.It's not their choice, retard. International business courts are a thing and other countries implement their decisions.
>>65024865>Are you actually going to provide evidence for your claims?I gave you a link, you choose whether to read it or not.>It's good that you admit you're some third worlder. It was obvious already, but this attitude proves it conclusively.I'm British. How am I 3rd worlder for pointing out even Western media are reporting that Ukraine blew up nordstream?
>>65024877>I gave you a link, you choose whether to read it or not.A link is not an argument, it's halfway to gish gallop.Provide quotations and sources on your own, instead of expecting the other party to do your work for you.>I'm British. How am I 3rd worlderAre you joking? Lmao> for pointing out even Western media are reporting that Ukraine blew up nordstream?Because only a third worlder would place Western media on a pedestal like this, or even bother calling it out.To actual Westerners the media IS the Western media.
>>65024630you don't
>>65024880>In dictatorrsloppa.In every country engaged in a serious war. Dictatorships just get involved in those wars more often, so the dynamic is vastly more apparent there.Democratic systems just pretend it's not the case until they need to actually use up their lives as such.
>>65024874>Soldiers' lives are a consumable resource used up to achieve military objectivesyes, in a war that the majority of people support, not in sand adventure #17 by el presidente elected on a platform of "no more sand wars" and started because israel managed to finally sweet talk a dumbass into it after like 40 years of trying>we'll kill a bunch of our civvies so that getting a bunch of our military killed is acceptablethat's certainly an option, but US isn't russia where peoples' lives are worthless so when a spook kills a bunch of randoms he doesn't even think of them as peoplewho would you even get to execute it? if any of it ever came out there would be nooses in the washington
>>65024877>I'm British. How am I 3rd worlderImmgrants hiding in slums in birmingham and luton and London that hate the native British population and worship third world dictatorslop mullahs and the kremlin and hate democracy and Christianity are not British. You are a tumour to be cut out and burnt.
>>65024879>>65024839Why did Poland refuse to extradite to Germany the Russian operative who allegedly blew up nordstream? Please explain that to me without using mental gymnastics. Why are so many Western media outlets reporting that Ukrainians met with the CIA in Kyiv in 2022 to discuss blowing up nordstream?
>>65024887Ya think? The dicatorsloppa code of failure. Democracies crush dictatorloppa every time for a reason abdul.
>>65024892kys nucommie kremlin dictatorslop propagandist
>>65024892>Why did Poland refuse to extradite to Germany the Russian operative who allegedly blew up nordstream?Because he's not a russian operative but some scapegoat they german state wants to illegally prosecute, simple as.
>>65024884>Provide quotations and sources on your ownI'm not going to copy pasta the evidence here only for you to ignore it, open the link yourself if you want to see the evidence.>only a third worlder would place Western media on a pedestal like thisI'm not placing Western media on a pedestel. I'm pointing out that even with the heavily anti-Russian narrative that Western media has been operating on(this isn't unique to Western media, Russian media pushes a pro-Russian narrative), they still report that Ukraine blew up nordstream.
>>65024887>In every country engaged in a serious warBut this isn't a serious war! No American believes Iran was a threat to them. There's a number of people who wanted it for a variety of reasons - dominionists who deepthroat Israel because muh end of days, holden bloodfeast followers that are addicted to mulching random people in the ME, people who'd enjoy stopping all the towelheads shitting up the entire ME region by terrorism, retards who assumed Iran would be a 3 days long SMO and the like. But none of them believe Iran is an actual danger to US.
>>65024897Why did the Polish judge not outright state that the defendent didn't blow it up, but rather claim that it was "just" for him to blow it up, and it would be unjust for Germany to imprison him for that action?>>65024896Ran out of arguments? I'm not pro-kremlin for stating basic facts. You need to update your narrative, Poland knows Ukraine blew up nordstream, Germany knows that Ukraine blew up nordtsream, why you continue to deny it even though it hasn't decreased Germany's support for Ukraine, I don't know.
>>65024888>yes, in a war that the majority of people support, not in sand adventure #17 by el presidenteEven the Iraq war was expected to have tens of thousands of American deaths.There was a considerable amount of effort spent on the logistics and PR efforts related to that, even though it never ended up happening. The same can and will be done with Iran.>who would you even get to execute it?Terroristically-inclined individuals themselves. There's a long-standing tradition of grooming people into terrorism and crime in the US, and there were already multiple related terrorist attacks in the US. All it takes is some "foreign" financing and equipment being pushed to them, and they 100% will do the effort and take the blame.
>>65024882No, international courts make rulings but can't enforce shit. What are you going to threaten Russia with to make them comply? Sanctions? Invasion?Russian courts found Google owes them $20 decillion (about 33 quadrillion times total global money supply) but they can't enforce it.
>>65024718Kharg has 8,000 residents and a full town and stuff, just hide in buildings
>>65024849The IRGC going full murder-suicide will be pretty funny to watch. economically painful for the gulf states, extinction level event for the Islamic Republic though. also inadvertently they will be proving all of their enemies correct and fully justified in bringing on the war.
>>65024903>Why did the Polish judgeAs a "fuck you" to Germans, duh
>>65024898>I'm not going to copy pasta the evidence here only for you to ignore it, open the link yourself if you want to see the evidence.So you have no arguments and no evidence, got it.Nothing you say is true and you're just lying.>the heavily anti-Russian narrative Bro, I already called you out as being some Pakistani or other. You don't have to keep making it clear.> they still report that Ukraine blew up nordstream.You have not provided an ounce of evidence for it.All you've shown is that a former Soviet Union officer, who hasn't been in the military for 20 years and was in an unstable financial situation, was arrested for the act.
>>65024906How old are you? It's not the international courts whom enforce it, but local courts whom rely on decisions of international courts. That's how russian property is routinely arrested in different countries based on their lost court bases in international arbitrages.
>>65024908>also inadvertently they will be proving all of their enemies correct and fully justified in bringing on the war.Would it matter?If I kick out the neighborhood's crackhead who occasionally slashes people's tires and smears shit on their doors but in the process he steals a bulldozer and wrecks half the neighborhood it's still a net negative
>>65024914Only said crackhead already had a killdozer and kill list ready in his shed, he just smiled and smirked that he totally just wants his place in the sun.
>>65024911Just because you ignore the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Click the links if you want to see the evidence. This is my last reply to you
>>65024921No evidence posted in the thread = no evidence.It's that simple.
>>65024912>local courtsAs you pointed out the ones that are already seizing Russian assets?International business courts function by applying pressure with the threat of reduced foreign investment if their rulings are ignored, for a country like Iran or Russia that doesn't mean shit because they are already sanctioned and kicked off SWIFT.
We should sanction Russia by nuking Moscow
>>65024698>Iran already is economically crippledIs it really though? US intentionally hasn't targeted their energy infrastructure so not sure how much domestic economy is affected.Oil is 80% of their exports, they're now exporting more than before the war, and oil price is also higher. Their purchasing power abroad is higher than ever.Not sure how easy it is for them to actually spend that money and import stuff right now though, other than from Russia through the Caspian Sea.
>>65024929based
>>65024907>Kharg has 8,000 residents and a full town and stuff, just hide in buildingsthe residents and buildings are expendible dictatorsloppa nucommie mullah loving intelligence and zero respect for life deliberately endandering their own civilians on full displayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jnN5anoWqU
>>65024925>for a country like Iran or Russia that doesn't mean shit because they are already sanctionedMy brown friend:1) this was before they got sanctioned to shit;2) they still have a fuck ton of shit to arrest and sell off
Honestly if i were the head honcho guarding that island and donald himself bribed me with a week all paid by state department in vegas with couple of million in bellagio chip, i would do it.
>>65024803>Arabs>sand>jihadI'm not seeing a meaningful difference
>>65024819>It was an accidentDid they accidentally take selfies posing with the wreckage too?
Iran is done. It's trying to fight a technologically based war founded on drones and missiles against a vastly superior force that outmatchs them utterly technologically both quantitively and qualitively. They have no airforce or navy have already lost 11000 weapons systems (it can be reasonably estimated ~44000 KIA and WIA) and military targets and their leadership and communications are degraded. Iran can do exactly nothing. A10s and helcipters are flying openly in the strait of hormuz, Iran has no anti aircraft defences there or probably in the rest of Iran and the US and Israel have total air dominance.Nothing can stop the US taking Kharg at will with no losses and when or if they do the US wins a free aircrfat b carrier in the strait of Hormuz and control of 90% of Irans oil exports. Its 25KM from Irans coast and it's quite clear that Irans mullahs are incapable of getting a drone or missile anywhere near a hit on a US warship. Neither is this bad news for teh democratic nations. It means a democracy controls the strait of Hormuz, giving the USA the same power to close it as Iran once claimed but to actually do it.Anazing how these wars call out the clear alliance between kremlin dicatorslop shills and places like Iran and their brigaded nucommie and mullah and nucommie idiots. Worth noting too that it is the complete collapse of Russia as a military power and the exhaustion of it's arsenal of tyranny in Ukraine that made this removal of the mullahs by the USA possible. The USA simply does not have to care about Russia as a major military power anymore because it is not one.There is no quagmire, there is no escalation route for Irans mullahs and really their reprisals this far have been a wet fart and inept.Attempts to launch munitions at karg will provide targets for the US airforceWatch and learn. Anyone here who is not a shill and really thinks Iran has a hope needs to read the above out loud and reaslise they cannot into war or strategy
>>65024630Nukes.
>>65025039nah it ain't gonna happen
>>65025039I genuienly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
>>65025062I appreciate they chose their words carefully with "military" triumph
I believe the US could actually take the island with zero US casualties but it would require a level of planning I'm just not seeing.
>>65024651Concentrated SHORAD and earthworks
>>65025070but could it hold the island with zero casualties
>>65025070>a level of planning I'm just not seeing.> I'm just not seeingPlease, feel free to share with us your extensive insights in to tactical and operational planning
>>65025085It might have been smart for the trump administration to consider the possibility of Iran closing the straight before the began their attack
>>65024713Just get your buddies with the little bird to hover above the RU airstrip and wait for SU to spawn then steal it, I have done this in a highly sophisticated simulator. ezpz where is my DoD appointment yanks.
>>65025092So you have non and just posting pre-programmed responses, thanks for the clarification.
>>65024630You don't. You instead begin seizing the ships that sail from Kharg effectively shutting the islands capability and seizing it's assets passively.
>>65025101But what if it's a Chinese ship?
>>65025113China's going to be pissed if you take Kharg anyway because I doubt Trump will let any ships load up. It's why the entire idea of doing this makes no sense.
>>65025099that's my insight nigga, this operation is dumb and you are dumb for defending it
>>65025062>>65025055tards
>>65025120>the entire idea of doing this makes no sense.Taking land is a statement
>>65025121>that's my insight nigga, this operation is dumb and you are dumb for defending ityeah but your a smoothbrained brown dictatorsloppa shill who can't into war or strategy, why are you even posting here? To tell us you ideologically hate the US, Europe, democracy etc etc. We alreday know you're fucking retarded. You don't have to tell us twice. the US is now going to controll the strit forver, including the actual ability to close it as well as 90% of Irans oil exports if Iran does not surrender promptly and all the brown dicatorslop seething on the internets won't change that one bit, the US has a free aircraft carrier for life right in the most strategically important place on earth for the taking. Every threat with dicatorslop anti European anti American anti democracies dicatorslop mull kremin halfwit shitting out their useless takes reminds me of the difference between civilisation and sucessful democracies and the failed cultures and places these retards are spawned in.
>>65024698>survive a full strength attack from the USIf you think this is a 'full strength attack' you're fucking retarded. At some point there is so little to attack the only thing you could do is hit civilian centres and factories. If you think USA has done a 'full strength attack' you're fucking retarded. You even contradict yourself by going>full scale ground invasion ensuesAt the end, confirming this isn't a 'full strength attack'.Also, fun fact, the USA has literally caps on oil wells. As in there are billions of barrels of oil untapped in the USA. That's ignoring shit like oil sands which are not financially viable to process but they are if oil is expensive.
>>65025131It makes no sense to sub 8-0 iq retards becaus ethey can't see the value of a free aircraft carrier right in the strait of hormuz giving the US complete and actual control of it FOREVER.A fantastic asset if communist china becomes belligerent as it allows complete control over one of it's primary sources of oil as well as those of other anti European, anti American anti democracy shitholes. Zero risk as well as controlling 90% of Irans oil exports. The mazing thing is the US has even been kind enough to ask Iran if they would like to surrender first. Dictatorslop always goes for maximum fail.
>>65025132>yeah but your a smoothbrained brown dictatorsloppa shill>but your>yourHello my brown ESL friend!
>>65025073Probably not.but if you can make a place actually drone-prof, such an island is probably a good start. YXou just have to stack all the anti-.drone systems you can find.APKWS should be ground-launchable, C-RAM exists, Iron Beam exists, etc.I don't theink the USMC has these systems, but there is nothing stopping the US from acquiring them and using them.
>>65024630Occupying and razing the missile site adjacent to it beforehand.
>>65025136>oil is now so profitable that US doubles production>shitloads money since $200 per barrel>but supply shocks everywhere for obvious reasons>less fertilizer + expensive oil = half of asia and africa is starving since they can’t afford any of it, tens of millions of deaths over the next few years with a convenient target to blame>half the world will hate murrican guts for the next 50 years, price of doing business for US increasesCaring about oil prices is one of the few reasonable things trump does, especially since us economy is walking a tightrope atm and trillions will evaporate if there’s a depression
>>65025157and then occupying and razing the missile sites adjacent to those missile sitesit’s just common sense
>>65024630You bomb the fuck out of the people trying to launch them. Duh. >B... But Ukraine Do they have air supremacy? No? Okay then, midwit.
>>65025157>razing the missile sitethey've been bombing the shit out of those for 5 weeks but Iran is still at it somehow
>>6502516498% degraded.
>>65025168What happened to afrikakino middlesstkino kikekino,...?
>>65025162They have vans with drones in them. You can't attack them without being sure they aren't civilians.
>>65025189Sounds like a job for Israel
>>65025146your cloud spellecher logs ever post you make hereenjoy your waterboarding retards and I am I assure you not an ESLyou are too stupid to be here or even understand why I ignore or deliberately make typos proof again dictatorslop nuxommies are retarded
>>65025164imagine being so retarded that you don't already know iran has lost
>>65024630bofors 40 for every schmuck
>>65025514Iranian (which totally aren't russian "instructors") will just fly drones in between soldiers, causing them to shoot each other. We've already seen ukies do that to russians.
>>65024630Can someone explain what taking Kharg island achieves for Trump?
>>65025572Maybe if Russia didnt already send said instructors into meatwaves in Ukraine. Best youll get is unclassified Chinese satelite images.
>>65024710What you’re describing is not a rational actor and proves were justified in putting down this dog
>>65025617they can't because it's pointless. we can deny its use to iran any time we want to and we don't need to put boots on the ground to do it.
>>65024713>It's tiny how hard could it beLast words of a marine before landing at Peleliu.
>>65024630you bunker a skeleton crew on it with a shit ton of crams and drone nuking lasers and use it to bait your enemies into depleting the last of their drones and missiles into destroying their own oil infrastructure
>>65024880>plus control of 90% of Irans oil exports. For free.Tell me how you "control" oil exports when your tankers are permanently in danger of getting droned.
>>65024803Uh, it's a mountainous desert shithole full of crazy Muslims, about a third of whom are Farsi speaking Iranians, another third other Iranians, and the rest a mix of other groups.Doesn't sound very different.
>>65025162Shoting the archers sounds cool until you realize that you can't get all the launchers before they launch and have to go back to shooting down whatever is incoming.And shooting down $50k Shaheeds with interceptors that cost 5x, 10x or however much more is a losing proposition, doubly so because the production capacity is not there, and will not be there for years if it ever materializes.Iran can keep spamming a few dozen Shaheeds per day at ships, and the only thing stopping them are escorts shooting down the incoming. Maybe your Reaper can bomb the van they parked in a playground 30 seconds after you see it launching. . .but that will still be after it launched and the Shaheeds are now in the air.Also, everyone will have to learn not to park planes in the fucking open. Overhead cover is not hard to achieve.
>>65025158The assumption that Americans will not also starve when half of Chicago is wilding already every weekend and everything inside your local CVS is also already under lock and key is a pretty big assumption to make. A sudden jump to 150~$200 oil will be enough totally wreck the American economy. American oil is in large part Canadian heavy crude, and that will not keep flowing steadily if Canada also experiences sudden shocks because of this war. They will nationalize the oil patch again like in the 1970’s and they will put our local "annexation is liberation" /cangen/ posters up against the wall. The high price of oil will force the cannibalization of the economy to tue detriment of everyone.>reminder the OPEC crisis was a controlled slowdown over 6 months and we felt its effects for a decade>reminder this is the sudden closure and *destruction* of oil production for the world, with facilities that will take years to rebuild.
>>65027792>They will nationalize the oil patch again like in the 1970’s and they will put our local "annexation is liberation" /cangen/ posters up against the wall.Sorry to burst your bubble but that sort of policy requires more conviction and decisiveness than our government can muster.
>>65025162>You bomb the fuck out of the people trying to launch themThey too small, too many and too well hidden, compared to you local convoy of Iskander launchers, to solve the issue like that.
>>65024675>The only value it has to the US is denying it to Iran and using it as a bargaining chip in negotiations.Except Israel wants as much infrastructure destroyed as possible. Their goal is to remove a regional rival/enemy, not to exact concessions.
Been wondering, if boots on the ground is going to happen, what the safest way for it to happen would be. Glad I found this thread, but it's really strange to me that lives have been lost already. Feels like leadership wasn't pulling out all the stops to keep troops safe.
>>65028022>but it's really strange to me that lives have been lost alreadyKeep in mind every year the US loses about 15 aircraft and dozens of lives just during training exercises. With an operation of this scale there would be loss of life even if the enemy didn't shoot back.
>>65028062>loses about 15 aircraft and dozens of lives just during training exercisesIt's something I tend to bring up when people think about signing up despite having other options. Wild that we're not beyond this or at least that it's not more like 1-3.
>>65024720>This is like those retards saying Russia hit Nord StreamExcept they literally did. Why was there a Russian ship with sub at the site of the explosions just days beofre?
>>65025132I'm not the one simping for a guy who refuses to adhere to the constitution when starting wars (amongst other things)
>>65024819>Are you saying Iran of all places has less muslim extremists than Afghanistan?Afghanistan didn't have a sizable secular population.
>>65024630>How do you defend ground forces holding a small island near the enemy from drones and missiles?You can't. Iran cannot occupy or use the island if USA chooses to deny it to them.
>>65024799warrior culture brosmash and grabin and out just like venezuelawhat could possibly go wrong?
