Amerimutt believe Goalkeeper CWIS is for third world shitskins and foolishly believe in the superiority of the Phalanx CWIS even thos goalkeeper is clearly superior.
>>65026862It's Dutch and it uses an American gun and radar. Also they're planning to replace the gun component with RIM-116 missiles like the American SeaRAM because missiles are better.
>>65026862Your entire post was full of "what?" and "Dis nigga serious?".
>the person(s) on this board calling (You) a mutt
>>65026862>autistic screeching
>>65026862Both suck dick and are obsolete.
>>65026862
>>65026881> because missiles are better> because there's more room for profit for the MIC
>>65027524A Goalkeeper CIWS has a 1200 round ammo capacity and shoots ~200 rounds per burst. A SeaRAM has an 11 missile ammo capacity and has a higher probability of intercept with one shot than a Goalkeeper or Phalanx has with a single burst. Which will you trust with your life if there's 7 shasneeds coming your way?
>>65026862>close weapon in system
>>65027542shasneed is a bad example since they fly slow and relatively predictable trajectories, making gun based solutions potentially attractive since you can get good pK without expending that much ammo.>>65027524It's the higher end supersonic missiles with terminal maneuvers where the missiles really shine. The range at which the gun will hit with a naive fire solution is generally pretty close and you lose a lot of your buffer against saturation attacks. Missile based CIWS can maneuver to adjust for erratic evasive terminal maneuvers, bullets cannot change their path mid-flight.
>>65027661>making gun based solutions potentially attractive since you can get good pK without expending that much ammo.Yeah, about that...https://files.catbox.moe/c91i1d.webmHere's upwards of 500 rounds for a single sneedhttps://x.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/2033698018059305296Here's the same gun running out of ammo and getting got.
>>65026862it looks like a french emoji holding a baguette menacingly
>>65026881>missiles are betterFor intercepting a half dozen AShMs yes, for intercepting two dozen drones no.I think we'll see a return of AAA everywhere from ships to SPAA to fixed base defences.The BAE 3P 40mm sits in the sweet spot to see mass adoption for all roles.
>>65027861No, the gun based CIWS have absolutely no shot at stopping even one dozen drones, see >>65027542>>65027745
>>65027869That is why I said a return of AAA not CIWS.You only need ~5 round bursts at 600rpm for drones not 200 rounds a burst at 1200.It's also way I said a 40mm round, big enough that a near miss is still a hit.
>>65027874We're already seeing cUAS AAA appearing like Skyranger and Sgt Stout, but those are being marketed more as a counter to FPVs than sneeds, and either way it's just a matter of time before they're replaced by missiles (or interceptor drones if you prefer, which are essentially the same thing).
>>65027886Ammo capacity matters as we are going to see autonomous drone swarms in our lifetime.Until they can make the anti-drone drone take up less space than a half dozen 40mm I think guns will rule.
>>65027869>>65027542Current gun based CIWS operate the way they do because they're designed to be a last resort to intercept very fast projectiles. AShMs, IRBMs, mortars/artillery, etc.CUAS systems don't need the absurd fire rates to guarantee a hit against slow flying things like Shaheds, meaning you can use autocannons like the M230LF or 40mm Bofors with programmable ammo.
>>65027893>Until they can make the anti-drone drone take up less space than a half dozen 40mm I think guns will rule.It will happen, that's my point. 40x365mmR is way bigger than you think it is.>>65027895>CUAS systems don't need the absurd fire rates to guarantee a hit against slow flying things like ShahedsExcept they do, as evidenced by the Centurion needing a second burst to hit the sneed in the first video.
>>65027901There's a few things about being designed as a last line of defense against highly maneuverable AShMs that make the Phalanx non-ideal for CUAS. It works by tracking outgoing rounds and walking them onto target, it doesn't have programmable ammo, so it needs to score a direct hit, and they weren't concerned with ammo economy because it's the absolute last resort. No sense saving ammo if your ship's about to get sunk.A dedicated gun-based CUAS would have very different requirements.
>>65027919I'll concede that point. Back to your six 40mm vs a missile or drone, a 40x365mmR shell is roughly 68mm in diameter at the rim and 535mm long, which means that it's about the same diameter as an APKWS, which is 3.5x longer. So you can actually fit nearly two anti-sneed missiles in the same space as six 40mm. When we get down to FPVs, the gun is probably the way to go for now, but it's just a matter of time before they get replaced by either even smaller missiles or DEWs.
>>65027869The C-RAM is just particularly poorly suited for this kind of duty by nature of its intended use. It uses HEI ammunition which is extremely range limited in 20mm. The M940 ammo used in it self destructive automatically at 2.3km, which is extremely short range for intercepting Shahed sized drones. The aerodynamics of the projectile are such that also slows down massively by the time it gets to that range (M940 is going transonic by 1800m), which drasrically increases dispersion and increases burst length requirements. This is all fine against mortars because they are purely ballistic and dont change course, and because a single hit can destroy them 99% of the time. This is not the case with something like a Shahed class drone. Overall 20mm HEI is just too low in velocity and sectional density. It seems something more in an intermediate caliber like 40mm or 57mm is the better choice. Ideally you would just use APKWS with a seeker and proxy fuze but the question of cost starts to come into play as you start adding features to missiles
>>65027939Bofors-anon is a different guy, I'm more of a M230LF/M-ACE guy. 30x113 is about as compact as you can get for programmable airburst ammo, and you can slap the gun on literally anything. Your FOB could be bristling with literally dozens of the things.
>>65027945Or you could stick VAMPIRE launchers on everything including your M230LF/M-ACE and your personal vehicle and every building in sight and shoot down sneeds for years.
>>65027954how about both + lasers + high power jammers?
>>65027957forgot pic
>>65027957>>65027959You don't need guns between missiles and DEWs, they should replace the gun with a bunch more APKWS. Jammers are neat because they can defeat threats you don't even identify.
>>65027901I know 40mm is pretty big but it can also just be piled up without worrying about damaging props or flight controllers.We might end up seeing ~200mm x 200mm x 100mm interceptor drones in the near future but they can't go too small without losing a lot of range and do you want a literal ton of lipo batteries on a ship?
>>65027962the gun just works tho
>>65027976Fuck that is a satisfying video
>>65027983there are few things more satisfying than 30mm HE from an autocannon
>>65027745>less efficient than some khokhol with a machine gun in a pickup truckgrim
>>65028006you seem lost
>>65027970There's not much need for counter-FPV weapons on a ship. Yeah, they could damage radars and maybe even RPG the bridge if they could get close, but range is an issue and if it was really feasible we'd probably have seen it happen in Ukraine. I think lasers and ALaMO would cover all the bases there.
>>65028014Lasers will the the goto for ships eventually but developing a way to keep the lens dry of spray so it doesn't thermal shock itself will be a challenge.I think we'll see SPAA make a comeback for armoured formations.Base defence will be a mix of both depending on size, you aren't going to have a generator big enough for a laser on a little FOB.
>>65026913Its also the person calling you a thirdie, which i find highly entertaining.Well that, or someone looking like IMC
