Would energy weapons actually be better than bullets and missiles?
>>65027923All ballistics are energy weapons.
>>65027923If you want a serious answer you're going to need to define "energy weapons" and "better".
>>65027923Only when the volume, weight, and cost of the ammunition and emitter decreases enough to be economically better than chemically projecting firearms.
>>65027923How would a lightsaber even deflect that?
How much Orks enjoy fighting you:S-Tier>Space Marines/Chaos Space Marines: Perfect>Adeptus Custodes: Perfect>Imperial Knights/Chaos Knights: Perfect>Votann: PerfectA-Tier>Grey Knights: Teleport too much and use un-Orky powers>Imperial Guard: Perfect, but slightly too squishy>Other Orks: Perfect, but you could make their loot yourselfB-Tier>Adeptus Mechanicus: Amazing loot, but use un-Orky tactics>Sisters of Battle: Fly too much and use un-Orky powers>Tyranids: Perfect, but no loot other than teef>Daemons: Perfect, but no loot at allC-Tier>Tau: Way too shooty, no chopping at all>Necrons: Good fights, but are too humorless and don't scream when you kill themD-Tier>Genestealer Cults: Bad loot, love ambushes too much>Eldar: Un-Orky loot and tactics>Dark Eldar: Un-Orky tactics, run away too much>Harlequins: Un-orky loot, powers, and tactics>Imperial Agents: Un-orky loot, powers, and tactics
>>65027923https://youtu.be/ExX-Ddf4RSYyes
>>65027923Blasters make sense because they have a ridiculous ammo capacity and you can adjust how "hard" the weapon shoots.Im also pretty sure Star Wars lore has common armor being incredibly strong against conventional projectiles.
Generally no. Assuming no restrictions on power supply, lasers would be better for CIWS roles, otherwise meh. Plasma is a mostly a meme since its dissipates too quick, electrolasers solve the plasma problem by being a laser that produces plasma directly on the target, the downside being that theyre shit and are more like a taser than the death ray you would imagine (literally more useful for hair removal than as a weapon); gamma rays could theoretically be huge as no mobile armor could defend against it but the requirements to produce it far outstrip any other energy weapon, particle weapons would be extremely efficient and cut through shit like a waterjet but much like gamma rays require some cern hadron shit to produce and its dubious if such a thing can even be miniaturized even if power wasnt a problem.
>>65027965I prefer the interpretation that common armor is hyperspecialized to defend against energy weapons only, which is how an ewok with a stick can take out an Imperial stormtrooper.
>>65028007I do know it is cannon that Stormtrooper armor is shit I cant remember if thats because they went the opposite direction and made it energy resistant instead though
>>65028010In the old EU, Stormtrooper armor was effectively proof against civilian weapons (kinetic and energy both) but ineffective against military-issue blasters due to cost concerns, and also had weak spots at the shoulder and neck joints for Ewok stabs. Spec ops guys got armor with shield generators that would deflect blaster bolts like lightsabers.
>>65027951Khorne Berserkers must be the most fun opponents imaginable for Orks.
>>65027923>Is a brick heavier than a rock?
>>65027936Hey kid, it ain't that kinda movie
Most "energy" weapons are particle weapons.
https://youtu.be/uUp24qgoqIkIts a mutually enjoyable situation
>>65028672For>>65028489
>>65027923If you had watched what happens to the Rebels in the very next shot, you'd already know how useless energy weapons are, retard.
>>65027951>Sisters of Battle: Fly too much and use un-Orky powersWhat did he mean by this?
>>65027923Yes till someone brings out a mirror.
>>65027926>>65027930Hello, contrarian retards. Kindly fuck off.
>>65027923Nah. If tech gets advanced enough that lasers can be both extremely powerful and their generators compact and plasma can be projected without dissipation, then its practically a given that other tech at that level of development would be able to accelerate small masses to such extreme velocities that it mogs any energy beam/bolt. It makes sense metaphysically too in our universe, since mass is ultimately super condensed and stabilised energy then its a given that a mass with sufficient velocity and momentum is going to impart more energy upon a target than pure energy in a non mass state. Even ignoring the kinetic impact component, the friction alone of a high velocity mass can often generate heat that surpasses what a pure heat based energy transfer can achieve (look at what armor piercing sabot rounds do to a tank when they strike it).
>>65028730What? It's not my fault you're stupid.
>>65028489>>65028672>>65028675What was it now, there was once an Ork Warband which managed to get themselves condemned to a Chaos demon planet for all of eternity, which to most other species would be regarded as actual hell, but for the Orks it was literally a paradise, because it was a Khornate planet and it was 24/7 violence and warfare.
Blasters in SW are literally bullet weapons.
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>>65029092https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tuska
>>65027951Custodes wouldn't be enjoyable as they wouldn't get to kill or blow up many individual people/things
>>65027923>Particle BeamsNo.>LasersHypothetically yes. If you manage sufficiently high-density batteries, sufficiently miniaturised capacitors, manage to dramatically increase the energy efficiency of lasers and manage to sufficiently miniaturise FELs (currently significantly larger than conventional lasers), then you can get decent range and energy density out of them. Insane accuracy as well. Continuous beam fire would be to machineguns what machineguns were to muzzle loaders, the ability to regulate the wattage would allow an insanely wide variety of applications, recoil would be minimised, ammunition problems as well.But the engineering challenges are, well, significant.
>>65027951Yes
>>65027923Modern weapons are substantially better than Star wars weapons in both penetration and accuracy, yes. >>65027965You mean if you cherry pick lore and ignore all the lore that says otherwise.>>65028024Do we have to play this game for the 10,000th time, warsie? Isn't it time you gave up?
>>65027923Yes
>>65028024>Stormtrooper armor was effectively proof against civilian weaponsLiterally the opening scene of the first movie has Leia smoke a Stormtrooper right through his armor using a civilian target pistol.
>>65027951>>Space Marines/Chaos Space Marines: PerfectThese two are very different factions and the sub-factions within them are also very different. Thousand Sons would be D tier as an example.>>Adeptus Custodes: PerfectIt's a heavily flamer and ranged based faction. The orks would be decimated by bolter fire and then the few that managed to get close would get burnt to death. They should be C tier like the Tau
An Energy Weapon That Looks like a Slugthrower?
>>65031084The Halo plasma rifle has an unique design
>>65031036They might get hit but there's 0 penetration. The armor kept the trooper alive to fight another day.
>>65031069>Adeptus Custodes>It's a heavily flamer and ranged based factionwhat
>>65028687Useless against the power of the force,. maybe.
>>65031191The force had nothing to do with it. Annie was batting Han's shots away with his fucking hand.
>>65031107I love the plasma rifle.
Aren’t Star Wars blasters technically plasma bolts?
>>65031492>Annie was batting Han's shots away with his fucking handAnd how do you think he managed that? Through Allah?
>>65027936Lightsabres are literally powered by magic crystals.
>>65031583
Lasers: maybe useful for close range AA, otherwise atmosphere disrupts beams and can be easily countered by smoke grenades.Microwave: useful against infantry, maybe can even fry vehicle electronics.Plasma: takes a lot of energy, you're probably better off building railgun at this point.Sonic: short range, low lethality.Particle accelerators: theoretically can be very cool, but there are energy constraints and size weapon can be a problem too.
>>65028699Jetpacks and perform miracles using the power of the Undying Emperor
>>65031036I only ever cared for the books, I disliked the movies. Actually, that's a lie, Revenge of the Sith was okay.
>>65031579Irrelevant. Shots were hitting and had zero effect.
>>65031726If I described you in a joke people would roll their eyes and tell me to be more realistic. You're like a living breathing version of a strawman I would construct about the obtuse retardation of online star wars fans.
>>65028797Solid state energy delivery is going to advance much faster than materials science. Unless unknown mixes of elements that create alloys with the strength 10x higher than what is known are possible, energy weapons will outpace projectiles within the next 20 years.Maybe you can find me some exotic material that's a 5 dimensional multi lattice when under extreme magnetic field, 10 degrees kelvin, and pressures higher than the core of the earth. Maybe it is both strong and flexible enough to handle 10 terpascal forces. Maybe it's theoretically possible.Advancements in battery and solid state lasers alone will allow for viable laser weaponry within 20 years that would make a 20mm ciws look like a joke compared to the man portable rifle that is possible.
>>65027923in star wars they're just worse than bullets in every way. the only upside I could see is that they have a power source that doesn't require reloading as often as a traditional gun.
>>65027923First off, lets narrow down "energy weapons"Kinetic energy? We have those. They're called "Guns"Plasma throwers? Maybe 20 feet of range. Could be useful in confined spaces if you don't mind getting toasty.Magnetic flux? Inverse Square.Gravity? How?Lasers? Now we're in business. Lasers would be both better and worse than solid projectiles. Better in terms of accuracy and logistics. Worse in terms of damage and penetration. Lasers don't cut so much as precision vaporize which, while very useful, also means that any material that can withstand high temperatures is going to resist lasers. Materials like the ceramics we use in modern body armor, for example. Damage is also a lot less. Pulse lasers would do the most damage, causing some of the body to flash boil and explode. However, water takes a lot of energy to boil so something equivalent to an AR-15 would be like a firecracker in contact with the skin. Simple clothes could block a laser...kinda. Instead of having some of your skin flash-boil you'd instead have your clothes set on fire. Not sure which one is worse. tl;dr probably good for home defense and target plinking but not really military weapons.
>>65032062I could see that mayyyyybbeeeee a 3kw weapon system could fit into 20 pounds of kit in 2045 but how the fuck do you recharge it.
>>65032312NTA but you might need to plug into municipal power. Probably one of those 220W outlets too.
>>65032297>Gravity? How?Rods from god
>>65031494that's one way to come out
>>65029092>paradise Not only that, Khorne was so impressed by the Ork's love for battle and lack of any self preservation that once all the Orks were killed he would being them back to life, each and every time.
