I’ve looked at this closely, and one of the clearest, most tangible objectives of any ground move would be the small islands Iran took by force from Gulf states in the 1970s, especially Siri and Abu Musa.They’re strategic, symbolic, and relatively low risk. The U.S. could realistically help return them to the UAE if Iran refuses to cooperate, instantly creating real leverage in negotiations.Unlike places like Kharg or Qeshm, these islands sit far enough from the Iranian mainland to be harder targets for drones and short range missiles. That makes them much easier to hold and defend, rather than turning into constant strike zones.Let me know if you think I’m wrong here.Personally, I don’t see much value in targeting Kharg. If the goal is to disrupt Iran’s oil exports, the U.S. could achieve that at sea just out of the strait by intercepting shipments, without committing troops to a fixed, exposed position. Seizing the island would deliver similar disruption but at a much higher cost, with limited upside in terms of actual oil gained and a significant risk of infrastructure being destroyed.On top of that, Kharg sits well within range of even basic unguided rockets and the newest optic fiber drone systems, making it a constant liability to defend. By contrast, the smaller islands are far, already have airstrips and could support defensive systems, including short range interceptors useful to protect Dubai. Overall being far more manageable positions.
>The island is almost 5.6 kilometres (3.5 mi) long with a width of about 3 kilometres (1.9 mi). It covers an area of 17.33 square kilometres (6.7 square miles). The highest point on the island is 33 metres (108 feet) above sea level.Is this easy or hard?
>>65028093>Tarrawa 2.0 vibesNice
>>65028093Sand snake island
>>65028088>Unlike places like Kharg or Qeshm, these islands sit far enough from the Iranian mainland to be harder targets for drones and short range missiles.How do you write this with a straight face when they keep hitting infrastructure and US bases in much greater distance?
>>65028088Posting troops onto the spits and islands directly in the strait owned by Oman makes more sense. I don’t think the islands you highlighted are as useful
>>65028106Do you know how Iran manage to hit target? By sending wave of drones/missiles to population center and then sending missiles/drones to military target. Missile defends are forced to choose between protecting civilians or protecting the base. They usually choose to protect the civilians. In this case however, there is only 1 target that is an island. So intercepting is far easier.
strategic value of planting a bunch of dudes on desolate islands well within drone and missile range for no discernable benefit?
>>65028116So they just send the same amount of drones and missiles they would use in your example at a single target then. Are you fucking retarded? And how do you build up all the interceptor systems in the first place, you just sned ships and hope they don't get hit while they are loaded to the brim with AA missiles? You surround the whole island chain with 100s of interceptor jets every time they have to restock missiles? You ARE fucking retarded.
>>65028120If a bunch of 19 year old Marines get droned on camera the average American goy will get enraged and demand Trump invades Iran with 5000000 troops. It's simple 5D Mahjong.
>>65028088>>65028120If the US is taking strategically unimportant islands then the goal is to have them act as missile sponges in place of Israeli / Gulf state infrastructure; literally a distraction.
>>65028120Idunno, use the survivors as genepool for future ultramarines?
>>65028125>we're just sending your sons and daughters to these irrelevant islands so they can bravely soak up missiles for the israelisI'm sure that will go over well
>>65028106>Unlike places like Kharg or Qeshm, these islands sit far enough from the Iranian mainland to be harder targets for drones and short range missiles.People writing this are retarded and live in the matrix where drones are somehow limited to 5 km range lol. Those islands are 20-80 km away, arguably even within fiber optic FPV drone range lmao.
>>65028129Yes it will. Americans don't care if their children die as long as it happens for Israel.
>>65028139>80km fiber optic wire for a single one-way durka drone
>>65028169Yes, here's a fiber optic cartridge with 40 km range in a generic ukie online store. This is very common and not even the top of the line stuff, which pushed past 50 km range in 2025.
>>65028180the iranians won't have these, they're not getting supplied by ukraine
>>65028193Iranians are getting supplied by russians and they have those
>>65028169You can get similar modules off fucking aliexpress, they are very widely available. There is absolutely no way iran doesn't have at least a small stockpile of these.
>>65028209And I bet they work very well too. *eyeroll*
>>65028223You can roll your eyes all you want, but this kinda dismissiveness might have unpleasant outcomes.
>>65028223*eyeroll**talk in valspeak**be mad at Mom and Dad for not letting you borrow the Volvo**be Jewish*"passive-aggressive teenager" isn't a good look, son
>>65028240Seething
>>65028244*rolls eyes*
i love how quadcopter bomb drones always seem to have infinite range, infinite payload and infinitesimal cost according to bad-faith arguers.
Iran paid cash money for the disputed islands from the emirate that previously owned them. The UAE as a union disputes it but they have no case.The UAE will be turned to rubble if they try to take possession of those islands.
>>65028292You are arguing in bad faith yourself, since if you followed the russo-ukrainian war you'd know that copter type drones do in fact develop and reach more and more range, with more and more ordinance. Because not all copter drones are the same. Different engines, blades, batteries, different numbers of propellers are just the tip of the iceberg. We're long past the day of using only COTS Mavic drones. There are drones with 120mm mortar shells, drones with 155mm arty shells. Bomber drones with multiple separately released charges. Drones with anti-tank RPG charges. Drones with anti-personnel mines. AA interceptor drones.
I'm laughing pretty hard. In Feb this year, the USA released a new TV show called CIA. It's about an American Born, British raised CIA agent (played by that rascal Tom Ellis) being forced to work with a by-the-books FBI agent to have the legal ability to work on US soil (like CIA have ever given a shit about that). Anyway the reason I laugh is the first episode is about a 'direct energy weapon', much like the Havana Syndrome weapon, except this one, could be programmed to down aircraft despite being developed to protect aircraft. So where we're getting the reason why this weapon is bad they say something like>They could sell it to Iran and they could close the Strait of Hormuz with it!And I burst out laughing. They didn't need some sci-fi tier direct beam energy weapon. They just needed drones and a few missiles.
genuinely who the fuck wants this war
>>65028088they will not launch any massive invasion because it will require for their ships to enter the straightand we both know that iran has thousands of usv's that hasnt even used yet the end
>>65028346Israel
>>65028292>and infinitesimal costthis part is true
>>65028346Me, but only for the memes (and dead IRGC)
>>65028346Russia and Israel
>>65028346If anything, this is probably the best time to destroy Iran. US have enough justification when Iran blatantly funded and supported Houthis, Hezballah and Hamas and they also supplied Russia with Shasneed. Iran also just have massive political upheaval and in the middle of economic and water crisis. The problem is, the military is woefully underprepared because it was too sudden and Hegseth fucked it up even further by doing several dubious promotion and dismissal. Not to mention Trump underestimated Iran and only sent 2 carriers and going in practically alone.
>>65028368Which is why Trump is now incredibly desperate to get out of this war ASAP now that the opportunity has been squandered
>>65028346Do you mean 'wants [to start it]' or 'wants [it to happen]'? Former, then Israel and USA and a few of the other states in the area, because Iran is a fucking nightmare and would be the jewel of West Asia if it had kept the Shah. If you mean the latter, then Russia. Russia doesn't really care about trade through the Strait but it does care about oil prices going up. For decades, Russia has basically constantly funded and supplied terrorist groups deliberately to cause instability in the region so there are spikes in oil prices so they can make more money. ISIS, for example, was 90% Russian Muslims paid to go and murder and rape. This caused oil to go up when they attacked oil places. When Hezbollah and friends attack Israel, prices go up, guess who supplies them and trains them? Russia.>b-b-but Iran...Yes and Iran, but Iran also gets support, funding and training from Russia. Specifically to cause unrest because BOTH nations benefit from raised oil prices.There is a reason Russia is giving data and info and support to Iran. Of course Trump ignores this because his based trad white friend Putin could NEVER do that. Funny how this continues to happen and we have concrete proof that Russia gave data to Iran and Trump keeps shitting on his hand and slapping Ukraine in the face.
>>65028368If the current US administration was normal, they'd first work behind the scenes with European and Gulf region allies to prepare them for the war, not freestyle it into the ground.
>>65028088>The U.S. could realistically help return them to the UAE if Iran refuses to cooperate, instantly creating real leverage in negotiations. Iran can always go "whatever, keep em, strait's closed because of aids btw"
>>65028382>and would be the jewel of West Asia if it had kept the Shah.*If they had kept the foreign-installed puppet monarch
>>65028223have you been in a coma for the last few years or something?
>>65028375Trump biggest problem and the reason why this war is a shitshow is because he is trying to profit from this war. Israel have clear goal, which is make them too poor to do shit which include destroying their industries and source of money. Meanwhile, Trump literally stopped Israel from destroying Iran's oil Infrastructure. And this show that this war is neither US or Israel's war. This is just Trump war.
>>65028383greatest military in the world tho brah what could possibly go wrongwe've got concepts of a plan anyway
>>65028388Yes?
>>65028392Didn't JD Vance just shit on Netanyahu for telling Trump that the war would be easy?
>>65028346me
>>65028407Better poor and sovereign than rich but ruled
>>65028388>Shah, 1970>My aim is for Iran to have the same quality of life as Europe in ten years and in twenty years to exceed that of USA>Ayatollah (the last one that lasted more than a few days)>A man may have sex with a goat. But after he has ejaculated inside the goat me must kill it and sell the meat. He must not sell the meat to his village, but it is OK to sell it to a neighbouring village>It is not a sin for a man to have sex with a 9 year old outside of marriage, but afterwards they should become marriedYes, I think the 'foreign-installed puppet monarch' was a better option, just a bit.
>>65028088Taking an island that isn't covered in oil infrastructure offers no advantage because the oil keeps flowing to China and Iran keeps making money.There are 2 ways to stop this, attack Chinese flagged ships and start WW3 or take Kharg island and stop loading. If you take some other islands the Chinese ships full of Iranian oil keep sailing past you leaving only a direct attack on the ships as an option.They don't need to bullshit about taking Kharg because conventional forces don't stand a chance against the US military but the extended warning might lead to unconventional forces being transferred to the island to launch FPV, IED and VBIED attacks on any occupying force.
>>65028088Nah you're right. They would be the first objectives taken because compared to kharg they are much easier. Expect this to happen shortly after April 7
>>65028410Vance correctly identified that his political career is over if he comes off as a guy in fsvor of this, so he blames Israel.Rubio won't survive this.
>>65028410>>65028449Someone should warn his about what happened to the last VP to cross Trump on Jan 6th.
>>65028450Trump is losing favorability, even among his dedicated following.
>>65028368>The problem is, the military is woefully underprepared because it was too suddenYou gotta piss with the cock you got. You can't just wait until everything is perfect. This operation likely started when all locations of interest were known.Can we also take a moment and laugh at Iran? They had an aircraft carrier parked outside for a month telegraphing to them that they were going to be attacked and didn't prepare at all lol.
>>65028462What were they meant to do? Buy 200 S-400s when they are proven not to work and Russia isn't exporting shit due to Ukraine?With a months warning all you can do is make sure the tunnles are stocked with food, water and fuel, you can't buy a new IADS.
>>65028466call me crazy but I'm just absolutely sick of living in a country run by these liver spotted white haired geriatric fucks who look like they don't know where they are
>>65028471Pence is like 66 years old.He's young and spry compared to the last two presidents.
>>65028462>didn't prepare at all lolthey did though.They drew up "Operation FUCK THA ECONOMY" and are executing it successfully.Iran is not winning, but they're dragging the rest of the world down with them.
>>65028466>we >PenceYou're not American
>>65028504>woah bro oil is at ~$100 a barrel everything is fucked! The west has fallen! It got up to $115 PB in 2022, no one cared.
>>65028516funny, I seem to remember quite a few people caring a good bit
>>65028521Did the global economy crash? Did the west fall? Yeah.
>>65028524>Did the global economy crash?Yes>Did the west fall?Remains to be seen
>>65028470>What were they meant to do?Not have all of their leadership in the same places at once. Have their leadership in secure locations; not at their own houses. It should have been obvious that they were targets. Israel wanted to take them out last year and were stopped by Trump. It doesn't take a genius to know that protection won't last forever. After 50 years of being the twat on the playground someone might come along and finally push him off the jungle gym and kick him in the nads.
>>65028525Cool. Get back to me when we reach $115 per.
>>65028528The US dropped multiple bombs into what was ostensibly the single most secure facility in the country. If I knew there was nowhere I could hide I might as well wait it out in my own home.
>>65028521Its rather funny how the obsession with inflation, war and prices just evaporated in late january 2025.
>>65028521>>65028538>he's still mad about it
>>65028545?
>>65028088I agree but kharg as well eventually. Free aicraft carrier for life in the most strategically important location in the world allowing complete control of e.g Chinas supply of crude and complete control of Irans oil exports.. They are all trivial objectives given air dominance. They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power. Further, not a single dronne or missile even got close toa US warship and there is no reason to suppose that they will reach somewhere like kharg either given its 25KM from Irans coast.Defenders will all be dead before a boot steps onto them.
>>65028528In hindsight would you say killing the ayatollah/senior leadership was a retarded move?The military command is so decentralized now that it's basically impossible to have an off ramp without risk of rogue regional commanders continuing operations?It's either a-don't kill the leadership, Iran might perform better militarily but you'll have a reliable off ramp if needed, or b-kill all the leadership, Iran might perform slightly worse militarily, but you've effectively cut off any negotiations.
>>65028547>Free aicraft carrier for life in the most strategically important location in the worldWhat benefit would being able to launch aircraft from Kharg confer that is not already being provided by the six (6) other airbases the US occupies in the region?
>>65028554>In hindsight would you say killing the ayatollah/senior leadership was a retarded move?No.>>65028554>reliable off ramp if neededIt is not needed see>>65028547
>>65028504The longer this goes on the more likely more countries will come in and slap their shit. This won't last long enough to destroy the world's economy, but the longer this goes on the more fucked Iran gets.>>65028535There are more ways to hide then go into a bunker lol.
>>65028547>>65028557forgot pic
>>65028554 Reason this is happening is because of Iranian leadership. They showed up to the US-Iran negotiations and their *opening position* was >we have enough material to make 6 (or 12, i cant remeber) nukes, thats our baseline >we wont agree to anything you cant take from us militarily Its the dumbest fucking play ever, and these are the consequences of the play.
>>65028557It's an island. It's basically a pre made supercarrier there for the taking. Right in the most strategically valuable place on earth. Ownership of it confers complete regional domainace to teh US without the bother of dealing with Iraqi or Saudi despots and crooks.
>>65028554>In hindsight would you say killing the ayatollah/senior leadership was a retarded move?No. Iran's leadership wasn't going to cooperate in any way, but lower guys down may have more to live for and are more willing to do so.
>>65028563Yes?>>65028547>I agree but kharg as well eventually. Free aicraft carrier for life in the most strategically important location in the world allowing complete control of e.g Chinas supply of crude and complete control of Irans oil exports..>They are all trivial objectives given air dominance. They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power. Further, not a single dronne or missile even got close toa US warship and there is no reason to suppose that they will reach somewhere like kharg either given its 25KM from Irans coast.>Defenders will all be dead before a boot steps onto them.Irans islands in the strait are basically now US clay.
>>65028567>It's an island.And the benefit of this is?>It's basically a pre made supercarrier there for the taking.Yeah I guess that's one way to say airport.>Ownership of it confers complete regional domainace to teh USThat is already provided by the SIX (6 (six)) other airbases the US operates out of.>without the bother of dealing with Iraqi or Saudi despots and crooksdominating the region means you need to deal with them regardless
>>65028576>And the benefit of this is?As has been said over and over and over ~90%–94% of Iran’s crude oil exports go through Kharg Island. Its a massive bargaining chip.
>>65028563Kharg Island looks much more vulnerable with practically no benefit over using Kuwaiti bases?Planes aren't limited by an extra 200km over the Persian Gulf, but Artillery, FPVs and the shorter range missiles Iran has are. It's like a 6'6 boxer stepping into close range with Mike Tyson instead of just staying on the outside.As for the oil terminals/infrastructure, The US can already deal maximum damage by just flattening the island with missiles.
>>65028576>>It's an island.>And the benefit of this is?Really? You are on a board for weapons, strategy and warfare. Consider this what advatages does Taiwan offer in defense.I fully expect the US to annex all Iranian island territories in the Gulf and retain them in perpetuity.
>>65028346Israel always gets called out, but people forget to mention Saudi Arabia for some reason.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-iran-trump.htmlhttps://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-saudi-arabia-mbs-gulf-war-uae-89f690b952fe28d3140c537b70fa5051https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/27/saudi-arabia-us-iran-attacks-mohammed-bin-salman
>>65028582>, FPVs and the shorter range missiles Iran has areNone of those ven came close to a US warship. What makes you think they will get close to a US controlled island?
>>65028580And why does the US need to directly occupy the island to close the strait to Iranian oil shipments?>>65028583>I fully expect the US to annex all Iranian island territories in the Gulf and retain them in perpetuity.But why? For what purpose?
>>65028588>And why does the US need to directly occupy the island to close the strait to Iranian oil shipments?"Its a massive bargaining chip"
>>65028592What leverage does directly occupying the island provide that simply not allowing Iranian oil out of the gulf would not?
>>65028588>>I fully expect the US to annex all Iranian island territories in the Gulf and retain them in perpetuity.>But why? For what purpose?>>65028573>They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power.The US can control the strait in reality the way Iran wished it could. In the event of ANY conflict with Chinna the US can cease all gulf oil shipments and close the strait to any shipping flagged to belligerents against it.
>>65028592>>65028594For that matter, why not just threaten to destroy the infrastructure outright? That seems like a better bargaining chip than putting US troops on the island so they can eat a few dozen missiles and drone waves
>>65028180Can they use that full range over water though?
>>65028602all those iranian islands are US clsy now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg>>65028596>>They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power.>The US can control the strait in reality the way Iran wished it could. In the event of ANY conflict with China the US can cease all gulf oil shipments and close the strait to any shipping flagged to belligerents against it.
>>65028587Iran is already repeatedly hitting a dozen or so US bases all over the gulf, if they concentrate tons of missiles, shaheds and artillery on a tiny island what's stopping them from inflicting tons of damage?at this point the only real solution to open the strait is a ground invasion.
>>65028602Because Iran will retaliate by doing the same in the Gulf states and we really dont want that. Its a game of brinkmanship and this is a negotiation via other means. Once you understand that this is not a war per se, but rather a negotiation, a lot of what the admin is doing makes sense.
>>65028614Literally for what purpose? Why are you so set on sending US troops to die on strategically irrelevant islands? It's going to make the Snake Island fiasco look tame in comparison, and for literally zero benefit other than to plant a flag on a mound of dirt in the gulf.>>65028625>this is not a war per se, but rather a negotiationcould've fooled me, what with all the bombing and whatnot
>>65028547>Free aicraft carrier for liferetarded ruslims said the same about Crimea only to get their (((blacked))) sea fleet destroyed by lard eating hillbillies
>>65028607Of course they can
>>65028633
>>65028620Iran has not even got one hit on a US naval asset. Neither will they get anything near those islands while they are taken or afterwards and anything that even attempts to will be obliterated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFggThe strategic win is immense.>>65028614>>>They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power.>>The US can control the strait in reality the way Iran wished it could. In the event of ANY conflict with China the US can cease all gulf oil shipments and close the strait to any shipping flagged to belligerents against it.>>65028620>Iran is already repeatedly hitting a dozen or so US bases all over the gulf, if they concentrate tons of missiles, shaheds and artillery on a tiny island what's stopping them from inflicting tons of damage?You are deluded Iranshill. All you base now belong to US. There is nothing you can do. They are US clay. All Iranaian islands now belong to US. Free aircraft carrier. Free close strait of hormuz card against China.All your base now belong to US.
>>65028634>retarded ruslims said the same about Crimea only to get their (((blacked))) sea fleet destroyed by lard eating hillbilliesMaybe throw some model planes at them at hope for the best. Good luckAll your base now belong to USHuge strategic win. Bigly.>>65028633>Literally for what purpose?>>65028614>>They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power.>>The US can control the strait in reality the way Iran wished it could. In the event of ANY conflict with China the US can cease all gulf oil shipments and close the strait to any shipping flagged to belligerents against it.
>>65028640>Free aircraft carrier. Free close strait of hormuz card against China.The US already has all of that due to its SIX airbases along the gulfs of arabia and oman
>>65028648>They all allow complete control and security for the strait and their annexation by the US along with kharg vastly increases the USAs strategic power.>The US can control the strait in reality the way Iran wished it could. In the event of ANY conflict with China the US can cease all gulf oil shipments and close the strait to any shipping flagged to belligerents against it.They don't need 4 irrelevant piles of sand to do any of that.
>>65028584People forget the Saudis because the first bombs to hit Iran came off Israeli jets.The Saudis haven't don't shit.
>>65028649Now the US has it's own island fortress bases in the most strategically important place in the world All the assets are even nearby to move to them. 52nd state. All Iran bases now belong to US.
>>65028648>Maybe throw some model planes at them at hope for the bestShow radarsShow AWACSShow stratotankers
>>65028656>island fortress bases
>>65028654>They don't need 4 irrelevant piles of sand to do any of thatMore importantly piles of sand that are probably rigged to fuck with mines and piles of sands that can't move.That's the entire reason we have aircraft carriers, they're basically moving island-bases, there's 0 strategic value in invading these islands instead of just parking aircraft carriers in the Persian gulf
>>65028656>>65028663this is what the airbase in Abu Dhabi looks like, just for comparisons sake
>>65028665>instead of just parking aircraft carriers in the Persian gulfThat's not even necessary because there are a half dozen international airport sized airbases along the coast from Kuwait to Oman
>>65028654>They don't need 4 irrelevant piles of sand to do any of that.No it just makes it cheaper, more effecient and frees up resources. Stack them aith AA long range PRISM missile batteries and Patriot and THAAD and CRAM and chill and eat buger king and icecream. All Irans base now belong to US. Strait of Hormz closing or opening now belong to US. Free aircraft carrier and anti ship anti air islands. US can stop chinese gulf energy like a lightswitch forever.
>>65028671Ah but now the US is bigglier. No Greenland but compensation prize of all of Irans islands.
>>65028673>it just makes it cheaper, more effecient and frees up resourceshow is committing more resources to occupying irrelevant islands cheaper and more efficient than operating out of the SIX active airbases that are already in the region?
>>65028679I see.
>>65028680>>65028680>how is committing more resources to occupying irrelevant islands cheaper and more efficient than operating out of the SIX active airbases that are already in the region?>>65028583>Really? You are on a board for weapons, strategy and warfare. Consider this what advatages does Taiwan offer in defense.>I fully expect the US to annex all Iranian island territories in the Gulf and retain them in perpetuity.
>>65028685You quoting your retarded assertions doesn't make them any more valid. I read them the first time.
>>65028684NIce surfing beaches too. Mullahs don't surf
>>65028698Could make a pretty nice vacation spot for some officers if not for the inevitable nightly Shahed strikes
>>65028696watch it will explainhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
>>65028705>if not for the inevitable nightly Shahed strikesmore mullah and nucommie fantasies that drift further and further from reality
>>65028710They're not even bases, anon. At best you get a village with a regional airport. The US would have to build their own.
>>65028637I've seen comments regarding Ukraine war that when flying over bodies of water the cable gets dragged by the waves requiring more cable for the same distance, even breaking the cable. Also signal quality degrades more quickly in water because of refraction physics.
>>65028655I think it's notweworthy though that Saudis have been pushing Trump to fight though.
>>65028715>The US would have to build their own.Oh noes how will they do that!Surely it is impossible to halliburton such a thing!https://youtu.be/IG9MPH3efLM?si=iKRKOjsNPHl8LKy8&t=14
>>65028734And now we're back where we started. Why go through the effort when we already have many more larger, vastly more capable, vastly less vulnerable bases in the region?
>>65028739>>65028583>Really? You are on a board for weapons, strategy and warfare. Consider this what advatages does Taiwan offer in defense.>I fully expect the US to annex all Iranian island territories in the Gulf and retain them in perpetuity.
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>>65028740Riddle me this, anon. What is the geographical difference between the 14,000mi^2 densely forested mountainous island nation of Taiwan and a glorified sandbar?
>>65028368>Iran also just have massive political upheavalis the political upheaval in the room with us? why isn't anyone taking up arms to take control away from the supposedly already very weak regime? the monarchists? the moderates? the kurds? oh wait, could it possibly be we just alienated all of them by razing all their fucking """""dual use""""""(read:civilian) infrastructures to the ground?
>>650287441) One is US clay in perpetuity and the other is Taiwan2)Kharg is 20 km23)Kharg controls Iranian oil exports4)Kharg is 25LM from the Iranian coast5)Smaller islands control all shipping and the coastline of Iran in perpetuity PIC Chinese base in south china sea built on far less advantageous ground. The smaller islands will primarily provide airdefsne for the strait and anti ship missile emplacements along with monitoring and surfing, burger king and icecream. With lovely safety from uppity islamic nutters granted by all that lovely blue sea.
>>65028516Oil above 100 for an extended period of time is extremely bad.>>65028562>This won't last long enough to destroy the world's economyThis will do more damage to global supply chains than 2020/2021.
>>65028756Did you just memory holed the fucking massive protest that happened before the war? The one where IRGC went as far as checking every single hospital and smoke the injured protestors on their sick bed?
The price of peace for iran is the legal transfer of all the islands in the strait (for the sake of appearances).Game over.
>>65028759>Smaller islands control all shipping and the coastline of Iran in perpetuityWhat is preventing the US from doing that from it's existing bases in the region? They're not far, and they can actually operate aircraft larger than a C-130.
>>65028761The US is alreaday flying apaches and A10s in the strait. the Irananins have no airdefense there and can't flat a digngy or lauch a model plane or firework.. It is over already. Watch. Final phase.All Irans island base now belong to US. All of Hormuz now belong to US. Forever.
>>65028765>>65028583>>>It's an island.>>And the benefit of this is?>Really? You are on a board for weapons, strategy and warfare. Consider this what advatages does Taiwan offer in defense.>I fully expect the US to annex all Iranian island territories in the Gulf and retain them in perpetuity.
>>65028773so why aren't the ships passing?
>>65028765>operate aircraft larger than a C-130.>>65028759>2)Kharg is 20 km2Just US base sized! And gift wrapped too!
>>65028633>and for literally zero benefit other than to plant a flag on a mound of dirt in the gulf.we need a very visible win for the media if you don't want support for the war to collapse. it's already bad enough and every single thing coming out on the media has been bad news of delays, delays, casualties, setbacks, etc. the average normalfags don't care if you killed 10000000000 gorillion irgc officer or weapon systems whose names they can't pronounce, but they do care about the fuel/gas prices rising for another 2 weeks
>>65028785>we need a very visible win for the media if you don't want support for the war to collapseI'm sure the American people will be very happy when 5 servicemen die valiantly protecting the strategically vital island of Lesser Tunb
>>65028779Erring on the side of caution but this is more or less over, it's endgame. The annexation of the islands and instalation of airdefense and anti ship batteries on them means Iran won;t even be able to fart in the direction of hormuz and if it does it's fart will get lit along with the anus and everything within 500M of it..Reminder not a single Iranian drone or missile even got close to a US warship or will get near this islands during or after their occupation.
>>65028793How long do you figure this will last? Two weeks or so?
>>65028790There is already nothing alive on those smaller islands. Apaches and A10s already made sure of that.
>>65028762yeah and where did they all go? surely if that death toll is true there's 0 reason for their people to not flood the streets and yeet off what remained of the weakened regime from rooftops. yet so far there's still nothing
I'm choosing to believe Pete posts here and this is all actually him coping about his genius plan that could never ever go haywire.>>65028799>There is already nothing alive on those smaller islands.There was nothing there to begin with you gargantuan fucking retard. Literally. Half of them are empty piles of sand.
>>65028796Nah I'd say the drama and hyperventilating will go on for a month or so. It will take China a whole to realise what just happened to Hormuz as wella nd there will be puffing and farting and whining, a bit like /pol/ right now. I would not be suprised if some of those islands have not already got men on them
>>65028800>yeah and where did they all go?
>>65028802Looks kinds nice desu. Maybe TRump will do a golf course there for the troops. But it will have AA and Anti ship missiles and radar, oh yes it will and buger king and icecream and a little harbour and a US flag.|So you realise there are alreay US trrops on them do you?Well done. You are playing catch up. Go check what happens to the territorial waters around them when they become offical US clay.
>>65028720AFAIK water itself isn't an issue for signal. Maybe it affects how ideal it could be, but the video and control bandwidth use less than 1% of that fiber capacity. In terms of requiring more cable - yes, it could be a thing with strong currents over a fuck ton of range, but even then it's not that bad due to the cable being small and light (less affected by current than you might imagine).
>>65028816>realisebong detectedopinions discarded
>>65028805how about their family and friends? fellow kurds from abroad? the supposed death toll is just in the dozens of thousands, not millions. surely those people are now pissed off enough to want to kill any regime officials they see. and now would be the perfect time for thatbut where are they? why arent they toppling the regime already?
>>65028779>so why aren't the ships passing?Because there is a 99% chance of not being hit. That's perfect odds militarily, but it's not for civilian vessels and their insurers.
>>65028819Good luck getting that close to the coats when there is a himars battery on the island with AA and antiship missiles and radar. Even the bug hat mullah himself won't be able to go within 20KM without written permission
>>65028824>why arent they toppling the regime already?because not even the US knows who's in charge after their bombing spree?
>>65028800First, they are dead now. 2nd, originally, the protest was supposed to be bloodless and not about toppling the regime but rather asking them to solve the economy and water crisis that fucked them. Their leader even forbid from the protesters from doing anything extreme. But Ayatollah just declared them enemies of Allah and commanded IRGC to kill them all.
>>65028822>seething nucommie
>>65028829It's the other way around retard. You'd need 24/7 patrols to try and police every possible ditch where the drone could be launched from.
>>65028834It was never any of that. Seizing these islands Iran has in the strait was the objective all along. Right form the word go.
>>65028837>You'd need 24/7 patrols to try and police every possible ditch where the drone could be launched from.Yeah? It's not 1945 anymore.
>>65028841It's worse, it's 1915.
>>65028829>>65028841>he thinks the us army has a fast chain of command
>>65028845>>65028848Go checkout the grey zone in Ukraine mr. foot patrol
>>65028858The US pretty notably has yet to incorporate any lessons learned from Ukraine
>>65028860Maybe not in arkansas national guard.
>>65028872Could you guys please take some remedial english classes if you're going to come on here and pretend to be American?
>>65028824If you hated your landlords guts and some guy from across town drove over and started firebombing his house you might be tempted to just let him fuck him up for you before getting involved
>>65028180>Yes, here's a fiber optic cartridge with 40 km range in a generic ukie online store. This is very common and not even the top of the line stuff, which pushed past 50 km range in 2025.According to an anon on this board, fiber optics over water doesnt work because the water refraction index is much higher which makes light leak from the fiber. I think the iranians will use a 2 stroke engine drone with narrow beam reciever and sender antenna, hard to jam and hard to find the shore control station. This drone will be used as a spotter for iranian GMLRS at home. You guys have not checked on the iranian table of equipment and you completely forget about the iranian short range pgms. These islands are illusions. The most viable attack path is attacking the iranian main land at the border to Pakistan and then organize an armored push up the coast while muhreens do inchon landings behind enemy fortifications for enveloping attacks. This requires a lot of forward supplies and basing which will be hard since anything within 2000 km gets a 3000 pounder PGM trough the roof or cluster drops. And taking the strait of Hormuz is meaningless because the iranians will just wreck gulf arab oil installations. All you get is access for USN into the deeper gulf, where they will do.... what? Only viable task is supporting the armored push along the shore which grinds men and materiel. This isnt Iraq 1991 or 2003. BTW a land push into Iran means that Ukraine has to be abandoned. And the EU is guaranteeing 193 billion euros of ukie bonds. This is going to be a shitfest of epic proportions, reality TV of the highest grade hosted by Doooooonaaaallldddd Truuuuuummmp!
>>65028993The tl;dr is still that whatever island the US marines end up on will be the drone/missile trap that (hopefully) allows tankers to pass the strait again.Which won't happen because the insurance premium will still be astronomical unless the US State Department takes on the risk, which I deem highly unlikely.The Iranians just have to keep their drones and missiles a bit further east of these islands, and shoot up the tankers.
>>65028993>Land push, landings, blahNot gonna happen. Not with the troop numbers the US has there, or on the move there.It'll be some islands, or just more TACO posturing.Also, Iranian balistic missiles are largely neutred at this point. The Israelis will erode away the dropudction capability for more of those over the next few days and weeks to maintain their security.
>>65028892a more apt comparison would be:>your landlord lives in the same building as you, so the now the firebombing schizo is burning you as well
>>65028993>BTW a land push into Iran means that Ukraine has to be abandonedThe US already abandoned Ukraine so nothing will change.
>>65028824>fellow kurds from abroad?>surely those people are now pissed off enough to want to kill any regime officials they seeThey are, but the Kurds are also very fractured and some factions hate each other to the same degree they hate the peoplle that ended up ruling what they think should be Kurdistan.We're talking norther Iraqi, Southern Iraqi, Iranian (with ties to eitehr of the previous) Turkish (with ties to all the others) and Syrian Kurds, and that is just a rough overview. The sad truth is that a newly-formed Kurdistan would spiral into civil war allmost immediately, because ME cultures cannot into compromise, strong institutions and peaceful transition of power.Also, Turkey would not tolerate this. Neither would Iran, Syria or Iraq, though the latter two are probably not active players at this time and their Kurdish regions are de-dacto autonomous.
>>65028773So why does Iran keep blowing up infrastructure in the region?
>>65028088Invasion canceled, the Brits got this one
>>65029148>US gets into clusterfuck for Israel>dumps it onto the UKThe chain of command in action.
>>65029148fake and gay. why would he bother transporting ground troops all the way around the earth if he's just gonna taco out? this is just some jewish market manipulation trick i believe. he WILL use those troops for something
>>65029131Because the Shia cult in charge in Iran is a mirror of the Armageddon cult that advises the White House.I wish I was making this up.
>>65029148>start a war>demand the bongoloids fix your messlolwut
>>65029191The funniest part is the Shia cult has a prophecy the ayatollah will be killed in a sneak attack by the great evil.The Evangelical cultists made the Shia cultists prophecy come true.
>>65029148If he helped ukies win against russia, ukies would probably go fight for him in iran
>>65029148>people unironically voted for this
>>65029148Huh? What's this got to do with the fucking Bongs? The Bongs don't even have a fleet any more. They can't do shit. So not only is this dumb to dump it on them but they couldn't do it even if they wanted to.
>>65029211We'll give them a 50% discount and they can start with 100 billion dollars in support
>>65028639I thought this entire idea is retarded but this island looks like a really fat rat so I changed my mind
>>65029191>Because the Shia cult in charge in Iran is a mirror of the Armageddon cult that advises the White House. I was more wondering in military terms pertaining to Operation Ruin the World Economy.
>>65028656>most strategically important place in the worldThat would Gibraltar or Suez.
>>65028538The media got their cash cow back in office so they stopped beating the drum
>>65029148It’s over NATO bros, we’re done
>>65029364>No bro you don't understand, this time he really means what he says.. bro, just listen.. bro.. this time.. this time we really know what he means..Yeah. I'd give it a few minutes until he changes his mind, 5 tops.
>>65029364Trump has been saying Europe was useless for years so they are kind of proving his point here even if he is having a tantrum about it now
>>65029385This. I can't believe Europe isn't willing to send their ships into a strait to die for Israel. So ungrateful. Trump has been working tirelessly for the past MONTH to reopen it, ever since it mysteriously closed, and he doesn't even need to do so.
>>65029377Hegseth said in his last conference that NATO doesn’t have much purpose if the Euros don’t help with Iran and leaving it is up to the President.
>>65029385>yuros are useless because they refuse to go die for israel and absolutely zero upside to themselvesI suppose that’s true enough
>>65029395Nobody seriously believed that US would lift a finger for a while now, boo
>>65028410>believing that “leak”
>>65029385>start a war without consulting allies at all>make a mess of it>demand they clean it upThe only geopolitical reason for doing this is to strangle China's supply, but Trump is too much of a pathetic faggot for that, so instead all we can discern is that this is all for Pissrael
>taking tiny islands>a smaller footprint with more condensed targets>when your enemies primary strategy is to deliver FUCK using long range bombardment
>>65029364Who are euros even fighting? All they want is for russia to fuck off so they can go back to having gay sex and regulating everything.Aside from frogs kicking some north africans now and then there’s zero appetite for euro imperialism (sadly), and it’s not like trump would act against his bff monke if he tried something funny
>>65029286ya know now that you mention it...
>>65029429No one, it's deflection>US military and global strategy could use this conflict to threaten China>Israeli interests are exceedingly obvious>Don't bother to inform your allies before you stick your dick in>Don't actually take any actions to impede the Chinese supply because Zion Don lacks a spine>Only perform actions that help Israel>Blame your allies for the mess you made for 0 gain because everyone is calling you a retard5th dimensional chess
>>65029364Be funny if US just randomly left and let everybody else deal with it
>>65029421god will protect our marines, iranny drones will all miss due to chink components/incompetent operators and get counter battery'd in return. the islands will be ours in approximately 14 says, trust the plan (and prophecy)
>>65028088it's going to be kharg and it's going to be a shitshow because taking these islands only works if you assume that iran doesn't get to react by doing the unthinkable(shooting at whoever's occupying the island)
>>65028346Me. I actually like it when my president uses my military to kill my sworn enemies. Shocking concept for contrarians and brown people, I know.
>>65029469>my president uses my military to kill my sworn enemiesBut he hasn't attacked Israel?
>>65029469>angry backwards fundies yelling at clouds half a world away>sworn enemiesvery miga of you
>>65028993Have you been living under an Iranian bunker? US abandoned Ukraine several months ago.>Only viable task is supporting the armored push along the shore which grinds men and materiel. This isnt Iraq 1991 or 2003. That'd be a great, except the Marines ditched all their armor lol
>>65028088Why occupy it at all? Just destroy the infrastructure and render it useless. >but muh oil economyIt's fucked already
>>65029479iran is supplementing it's income by extorting ships passing in and out of the strait for a 'toll' now too, which is probably only going to get more expensive if they don't get to export their own oil too. it can always get more fucked anon.
>>65028120Unironically just throwing an American flag on each of these islands Russia style and taunting the Iranians to do something about it would be genuinely valuable. This war has a significant symbolic nature unless there is a major ground invasion it could be a worthwhile political victory. Personally I think we might see a more significant incursion into the low lands near Kuwait and possibly North from there to link with the Kurdish uprising that never materialized.
>>65029494This but unironically. What do you think this whole hormuz thing is? Its largely just iran pursuing a symbolic victory, as they had already abandoned any hope for conventional military victory. So why not beat them at their own game?
>>65029494>throwing an American flag on each of these islands Russia style and taunting the Iranians to do something about it would be genuinely valuableIn what way? Twitter propaganda ultimately accomplishes littlewe’re in post truth era anyway, US is invincible and won five times / iran murderized every us asset within 300 miles depending on which team you’re cheering for
>>65028346Anything to distract the plebs from the Epstein files
>>65029469There's at least 100 million people in America who hate you way more than random sand nigs 10,000 miles away.
>>65029494>would be genuinely valuableLiterally how? No one in the US is aching for a propaganda victory. They want their gas to be cheaper and to not get sucked into another 20 year quagmire in the middle east.
>>65029520>No one in the US is aching for a propaganda victory.Maybe we should considering half of Iran's budget must be going to shilling out propaganda online. We're clearly playing a different war.
>>65029542You're right, anon. We should really aspire to be more like them. That will surely improve the situation.
Born to early to die in the Middle East, born too late to die in the Middle East, born just in time to die in the Middle East. I love being an American
>>65029548NTA but i think there's no shame in adopting enemy weapons/tactics if it works. We quite literally just reverse engineered the shasneeds and starting to field them as lukas
>>65029567>if it worksAnd do you think the average American will change their mind and start supporting the war effort when they see that we've planted flags on some shitty little dirt mounds in the Arabian Gulf?
>>65029574The average American worships the President as a holy figure. They’re just as brown as their enemies
>>65029579>The average American worships the President as a holy figure.lmao fuck no
>>65029586
>>65029574Not instantly, but they definitely will shut up the "current american military is incompetent!" crowd. That'd be a better starting point to further gain a wider public support
>>65028673>more efficient than just parking ships offshore blocking the straitHmmmm let's think... should weA) use our invincible Navy to guard the strait, out of range of any Itranian weapons, orB) put thousands of troops right in range of Iran's weapons because we like them and these Purple Hearts/Gold Stars aren't going to earn themselvesSince you're clearly dead set on doing BADASS, RADICAL XTREME(TM) maneuvers, why stop there? Why not wait until nightfall and drop in the entire 101st and 82nd airborne into Tehran itself? It's even more strategic than those islands, the heart of the regime and Iran itself, and more strategic than Kharg! Conquering it would deal a crushing blow to the government.>but that would be needlessly reckless, insane, and might not even workUm it's the Department of WAR, not the Department of Waiting Around Doing Nothing!FFS Pete I'm being sarcastic
>>65029509>>65029520It has more to do with the fact that the Iranian strategy is to declare victory no matter how hard they are hit or who dies. They still insist they came out on top in every previous exchange and will continue to be obstinate. That makes the current situation a stalemate which can be broken in different ways. One method would be to start targeting power stations and other civilian infrastructure to create chaos on the ground and possibly an uprising. Another possibility would be a significant ground invasion because I don't think a small island grab will make a difference. If both options seem bad you are left grasping for symbolic victories and try to resolve the conflict on Twitter
>>65029509In the way that someone who only consooms online media would think important.We were in post truth about a decade ago. Now we're in what id call post post truth, where even the awareness of being in post truth is contested and severely embedded.Psyops becomes less effective in encapsulated tribal minds compared to common square shared society minds
>>65029590NTA but literally monke-tier logicAre you R*ssian by chance?
>>65029639>people can't know what's real or fake anymore>"aw shit! well now I can't astroturf people into following an agenda!"?
>>65028088Would be kino with all the videos of fpv drones hitting marines.
>>65029650If people don't know what's real or fake they will treat it all with a tired cynicism. They'll see your astroturf and either ignore it or treat it as fake compared to their real priors. Compare this to a time where you had to treat things with more acceptance, that is where psyop can actually change your mind
>>65029673>If people don't know what's real or fake they will treat it all with a tired cynicism.Not really, at least online. People just ignore anything that is counter to their own opinions no matter how much evidence to the contrary is posted. If they don't know what is actually going on, they just make up something to fill in the gaps.
>>65028088You're right it won't be Kharg. The key thing to remember is: Americans are retarded when it comes to grand strategy on the civilian policy side. But Americans know how to get shit done on the tactical military side.Disrupting Iran's oil supply by going after islands is an idea of the former. What the latter will tell you is to invade Iran and occupy the shore adjacent to the strait. Why? Because it ticks all the boxes. With the US in control of the strait/land next to the strait not only is the threat to shipping mitigated, but it's the US that can choose which ship to let through (gulf allies, paid for in USD, etc) and which not, I.e. Iranian ships. It also provides enough space for US troops not to be easy pickings by being stuck on islands.
>>65029741you're making another da nang if you do that, but i suppose it's slightly less of one that just kharg alone is.
>>65029741This ends with a bunch of dead soldiers tho, unless you think every squad will have a portable thaad and a laser truck and generally be invulnerableWhile dead soldiers could increase popular support for the war it seems to chancy to me to be an actual plan. Especially since trump isn’t looking forward to being stuck in some godforsaken mountainous desert for the next 3 years when all he wanted was a quick victory akin to vuvuzela
>>65029741I think it would be more likely to just take the islands in the straight, maybe even just landing troops on the Musandam Peninsula.>>65029756>This ends with a bunch of dead soldiers tho, unless you think every squad will have a portable thaad and a laser truck and generally be invulnerableThe Marines have been preparing to land on islands and hold them for awhile now. It's why they got rid of their tanks and other heavy equipment that wouldn't be necessary for such an operation.
>>65029751I guess? You can resupply the shoreline relatively easy though as you're not relying on a single airfield or limited insertion points.>>65029756They're not gonna be in foxholes for years, it's more of a semipermanent search and destroy operation supplied across from the other side of the gulf. Stay mobile, hunt down Iranian launchers and secure enough area to limit the threats to and across the strait. We can easily extend anything except SHORAD from the other side out of friendly territory. This is the next advantage, it turns the fight into an away game for the GCC states.It's gonna cost money and casualties but that could've been avoided a month ago. Now there is no point in dragging this out and letting Iran do more economic damage.>>65029811But what are you gonna do on those islands? Sit on the bleachers while Iranian Ashm launchers, USVs or drones keep holding the strait at risk from their side? While at the same time being unable to maneuver, take cover or defend yourself?
>>65029855resupply doesn't stop assholes in the mountains from sending out random FPV's. eventually the commanders will want a S&D to deal with it, and then the next mountain range is where the threats hiding, and then the next one, and then the next one...
>>65029855>But what are you gonna do on those islands?They would do the same thing that a ship would if they were escorting. They would just shoot down any missile or drone coming toward shipping. For a funny moment they could also have coast guardies there to board any Iranian tanker. I'm honestly surprised we haven't just started nabbing their tankers right now.
>>65028088Is there any actual confirmation of ground operations or is it just wishful thinking?>inb4 Trump said Trump says a lot of things
>>65029884There isn't but they're moving a lot of groundpounders into the AO.
>>65029871Yes. that is part of the game, shift the risk to American ground troops away from the strait. But that is their job. Make it difficult for Iran to go after the strait. And since we're more interested in stopping harassment from Iran we don't need to concern ourselves with spreading out over those ranges. Capture an area, mine it and retreat. Rinse and repeat. Ideally leverage US air cover and night fighting capabilities.
Can we just end this stupid war ASAP, I don't see any possible benefit to a prolonged conflict
>>65030165You already made this exact post
Khargon Island is a trap. The Chechens are volunteering to defend. No cover, small area. Undefendable from the air slaughterhouse with all killed in the first minutes. Undefendable after occupation by marines too. Not gonna habben. Abu Musa more likely
>>65030134ending it now means you give up the strait to iran, and makes the entire GCC have to re-evaluate whether allying with the US is even worth it, iran gets to extort every ship that moves through the strait, and we're probably at the same spot militarily with them in a few years. not ending it... probably also does that, but it looks like you're doing something instead of nothing.
>>65030183>The Chechens are volunteering to defendthe fuck are they going to do?
>>65028673What you fail to realize is how the allies will react to a prolonged closure of Hormuz. And how it could lead to the US losing access through bases in the gulf states.The gulf states are dependent on being able to sell oil, and they can't because of Iranian strikes. And all of it started by the US and Israel. If they have to go along with Iranian demands of kicking the US out to save their economy, they will. They might even pivot to China.It just doesn't seem like a good deal to risk way better bases all over the middle east, for some shithole island that can't be supported in the long run anyway.
>>65029469>my military Excuse me, are you an Israeli?
>>65028388Genuinely who cares if he delivers elevated standards of living I'd rather be vassalized like Japan than "sovereign!" like fucking... Well, Iran.
>>65029741There won't be enough man power deployed for this to be viable. I think at most 20-30k well supported high quality infantry will go in. They could serve as a spear point that shows how weak Iran is on the ground and threatens Tehran. Just a show of force will make a big difference, there is no need to repeat Iraq.
>>65028554It’s only been about a month. Once food and clean drinking water stores start depleting, food riots and looting begin, they’ll realize it’s either surrender or die and have the other guy surrender. An army marches on its stomach. And these are pussy ass middle eastern fags. They fuck boy butt then fuck their wives in the ass to grossly simulate their pederasty. Ask any Iranian married woman.
>>65028124>americans get droned>american get angrier and send more troops>more drone kino>angrier americans send more americans>more drone kinobased, hopefuly americans arent spineless and commit to a forever war ukraine stile so i get more gore
>>65030248die as a sacrifice to satan
>>65030307True, about 14 more days will be enough to start seeing some result i think
>>65030266You would accept a Chinese-installed President if it meant a few extra bucks in your wallet
>>65028125>its a distractionpure retardation, you got to keep the people on the island fed and suppliedpretty expensive and dangerous for a shit return on a distraction
>>65028292If you try hard enough, they got an infinite range. A lot of them are jurry-rigged in semi-experimental configuration, they aren't mass produced. Just need a team of nerd minmaxing the range and you can get some interesting results. Probably cost way more. There are also drone mothership too.
>just take Kharg island bro, itll be easy bro, cmonnnnnNo shit itd be easy, that isnt the point. Do half these fucking retards have even the slighest clue why every administartion involved with Iran has bawlked at the idea of taking/destroying it?What the fuck is MAD? Think it just applies to nukes? Unreal. Why the hell do you think trump had a little melty when Israel bombed the gas fields. If they go, so does the fear of losing them. This goes for Kharg aswell, take it over or take it out, who cares. Youve effectivly killed the IRGCs revenue and signed its death warrent, so now what do you think theyre gonna do? Roll over? No, theyre gonna launch everything they have at every single oil, gas and desalination facility in the region. They will stop at nothing to take these out and inflict maximum economic damage, beacause why not? They have no bargaining position left, no reason to make a deal, and theyve already clearly demonstrated the ability to do so. And if these said plants get fucked bad then good luck, just unthinkable.>we'll just shoot everything down!Wanna bet? Hows that been going so far?And we havent even mentioned the Houthis yet, good lord.But yeah hoorah lets go take some dirt and get a flag video for twitter
>>65028368that's just copeWho the fuck care about some desert shitholes being stuck in constant civil war as long oil flow? Only Israel has an actual reason to want this shit. Peace suit the rest of the world, fighting over some shithole is a waste of ressource and time.
>>65030655>bawlked
>>65028139>Neither the ukies nor russians fly fiberoptic drones across the Dniepr despite it being less than a mile wide>durkas are totally going to use fiberoptic drones across the arabian gulf guise
>>65030134>I don't seeThat says a great deal about you, and very little about the war though.
>>65030287>shows how weak Iran is on the ground and threatens TehranThink of how funny it would be if the whole Kharg island thing is just a feint and the marines and 101st land in Tehran and start rounding up mullahs and dropping them into the Caspian sea.
>>65030287That's what needs to change then. If 10x manpower is required then so be it. Any sort of goodwill/optics/"no new wars" is out of the window anyway. Now it's time to push the car out of the mud.
>>65028088The deterrent danger is Iran using the occasion to do something area denial 'dirty', further confounding the under duress dialectic between the US administration, the Dogwalkers, and the US public. Nuking yourself in a live test exercise while invaded isn't a warcrime any more than it would've been for the Russians in Kherson, if they thought the Ukrainians were breaking through to Crimea, technically.
>>65028640>supposedly about 100 missiles and drones sent against carrier, and nothing>Chinesium anti-stealth radars and Russion S-9000 SAA: even more worthless than in Venezuela>alleged anti-ship hypersonics upon which the entire expansionist fetishism of Pooh's predicated on for Taiwan and beyond, demonstrable cargo cult dogshitThe other marginal strategic upsides in setting precedent for gtfo'ing NATO (or threat thereof), kneecapping IRGC-to-Eurofag Banks' money laundering schemes— accruing to settlement in Ukraine, as they are hitting 40% of Russian oil processing with ever larger drones; and maliciously complying with supposed Epstein Fury compromat in a way that forces Balfouristanians to go mask off domestically for the 'cattle' to see, and abroad show how impotent and close they are to self-destruction per Kissinger's prophecy— all this is academic when there's global famine for lack of petroleum & derivative products, and Limp Duck throws Midterms so hard his own coalition helps impeach him (Warpspeed Nuremberg Code Violations is the biggest legacy destroying ace up their sleeve, if they can control burn it to backdoor CBDC UBI with it).
>>65031677schizophrenic
>>65028762>the fucking massive protest that happened before the warIf the administration was presented a fait accompli by Jackson-Vanik Soviet 'Illegals' infested Ziostan, so they had to go first, as Rubio said, then dragging their heels on support strikes for the protestors to let those assets get absolutely wiped would be a way to punish them. On paper, decapitation strikes that came so belatedly were the thing to do right away, and give the 'protestors' momentum ... yet they held off. Oopsies. Iran's Boomer to Not-Boomer ratio is top heavy, and corrupt (Ahmadinejad called the Mullahs decrepit and corrupt openly). The Dancers want Iran leveled and balkanized because their youthful demographic structure and size make them what will or ought to be the premier power in the Near East, and a natural civilizational ally to the West, even more if it ceased being a Shia state.
>>65028993>The most viable attack path is attacking the iranian main land at the border to Pakistan and then organize an armored push up the coast while muhreens do inchon landingBaluchs getting their revolt on, and they've got numbers over the minorities and Parses. Probably ought to disclose that Suleimani allegedly hid Bin Laden in Iran as a justification (if that one Democrat's not mistaken) + their involvement in the Butler, PA attempt on Orange Man (real ir imagined, one better if there was Neo-Palestinian involvement for leverage).
>>65028088>Let me know if you think I’m wrong here.You're wrong.Trump's a fucking retard and he still thinks he's "negotiating" with people's lives instead of fighting a real war. Also he's a stupid braggart who will do anything for (You)s, so he can't help but talk about it.
This so much. Kharg accomplishes nothing. By taking the islands 1. Trump can gift the UAE with territory it claims, cementing it to the US side and 2. The other islands can be offered up in negotiations back to Iran.
>>65029506>What do you think this whole hormuz thing is? Its largely just iran pursuing a symbolic victoryI really hope this is a shitpost.
>>65031834Shiapost*
>>65028088You're on the right the right track with Kharg. We could simply take out the mooring there without destroying the oil infrastructure. We haven't done that as the goal has not been to spike oil prices even higher. I don't think we're going to see any kind of action related to Kharg since we haven't disabled it with missiles already. But of course not ground troops there, that's ludicrous. All the speculation around Kharg has already gotten Iran to reinforce the island too, so as you might imagine it would literally be retarded to encourage media speculation over an actual target like that.Ground troops aren't getting used at all. The Hormuz islands aren't worth it, don't unblock the Strait, and there is no benefit to symbolically returning them to the UAE. Any use of ground troops invites massive retaliation against Gulf oil and drinking water infrastructure, while achieving nothing strategically. The actual plan is to simply deescalate and allow the Hormuz Coalition to do its thing. This has been getting very little coverage but it's been in development for two weeks now, with the UK all but officially committing to send warships to the strait once we cease hostilities. This checkmates Iran, as they will absolutely not attack a coalition of 30+ countries led by NATO in their massively debilitated state (or at all). And the reason that the US can't fill that role is because Iran would launch everything they have to sink our ships, unlike with neutral countries which leaves them only with the option of sitting back and crying about it.
>>65029432From the thumbnail I thought it was Trump's hair.
>>65030655The longer this goes on the more degraded and less credible irans missile threat becomes. They are already operating at minimum capacity in order to maintain the status of fighting back. Iran is already firing at high value targets and they won't be able to increase how many missiles they shoot, they can only change targets. Iran is showing their weak points every time they threaten to attack desalination plants in Gulf nations. They know if America starts targeting civilian infrastructure there will be a high risk of civil unrest which they are far less prepared to deal with now. I think they will start to look to deescalate soon even though they will loudly claim they aren't
>>65031221>Neither the ukies nor russians fly fiberoptic drones across the DnieprYou wot mate? They literally do. How do you think the russian engage in so called human safaris?
>>65029506hormuz is iran doing the only thing they can given their extremely degraded resources.pic related was on the 18th, which marks the last time iranian boats actually harassed tankers in the strait. everything else has been dronesthey do not have this capability any more but the threat has been enough. The threat, unfortunately has been enough to stop most (not all) ships from transiting.
So, with this address to the nation tonight and the recent movements, is it really happening? I would have no doubts it the announcement was tomorrow instead, stocks market nicely closed for 3 days and all, but it's not tomorrow so this make me doubt.
>>65033685What if the administration is about to pull off the funniest April Fool's in history?
>>65028124>demand Trump invades Iran with 5000000 troopsAmerica doesn't have that kind of ground force or the logistics to remotely support that kind of a force.
>>65029469Silence, MIGAtard.
>>65029471our sworn enemies, not yours ahmed
>>65028346>genuinely who the fuck wants this warIsrael too, but Russia got all the benifits (would have if not ukies bombing russian ports in Baltic) with no downsides.
>>65033561>they do not have this capability any more but the threat has been enough.are you fucking idiot? iran is literally one of the first countries in the 10s to research and built usv's they have a shit ton of them
>>65031677>US Gtfo Of NATO>NATO gains giant Canadian FOB on america's soilYour terms are acceptable.So NATO Bros are we invading Alaska first or fighting our way down the coast to where the weather is nice?And while we're at it let's turn mercosur into SATO. It's crazy how much breathing room america has lost in the last 5 years and they are concerned with sandy shitholes on the other side of the planet. We'll just wait until america does the Iranians in, then the sanctions are lifted and we get all the hydrocarbons we want, paid in digital euros.America wants to make enemies? Let em have it. Let's see how america does when all European defense giants stop sending stuff to the US. Let's see what happens when German-made subs are parked next to Norfolk.
>>65033933You are not a European and your skin is the color of poop.
>>65033930>are you fucking idioti dont not conversate with thirdies, sorry
