https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AseTNcJb7kgHis goal is the destruction of Iran's military capabilities, not the defeat of Iran's strategy.This is McNamara tier.
"They're going to embrace nascar and coca cola the second the bombs start dropping" status?
>>65028526>The Military has Military objectivesDid you think the objective was to bring gay voting rights to Teheran ?
>>65028541The objective should be to make Iran realize they are stupid idiots and a fifth rate power. Instead, its pure humiliation with the strait still being fucking closed. How is sinking frigates or bombing the IRGC opening the strait? If it is working, why hasnt it been opened yet? What the fuck is Dan Caine doing??? Tehran should have been captured on week fucking 1 but instead Dan Caine attacked when theres only 2 fucking carriers over there and no Marines. Fucking hell what a disaster of a chairman. General Mattis would have conquered the entirety of Iran on the 3rd fucking week.
>>65028541I guess you missed the first few days of this when the party line was "you have to support bombing kids because they killed protesters"
>>65028553Those kids were firing shaheds at tankers anon
>>65028552>Instead, its pure humiliation with the strait still being fucking closedShills been pushing this narrative hard. >>65028553No the line was>It was a mistake, ground operatives identified the schools as revolutionary guard (or whatever) base so we hit it. Shit happens.
>>65028526>His goal is the destruction of Iran's military capabilities, not the defeat of Iran's strategy.The former is a military objective; the latter is a political objective.
>>65028553>muh kidsyes according to the people who have an interest in making up whatever they want, the US has murdered 500 children with ninja star bombs
>>65028586>No the line was>It was a mistake, ground operatives identified the schools as revolutionary guard (or whatever) base so we hit it. Shit happensWait, when did we jump from >it was a Ukrainian Tomahawk sold by Zelensky to Iranto that?
>>65028553>bombing kids
>>65028601
>>65028599>be shill >lie Its all so tiresome.
>>65028605Oh im sorry>it may look like a Tomahawk, but many countries have those so anyone could have launched it
>>65028627Do you get paid for this, or do you do it for free?
>>65028628Wait, i can get paid for quoting Trump?
>>65028553wew looks like this one really set off the defensive shillposters, I guess we know what they're sensitive about
>>65028631Browns think because they get paid to post propaganda, that others must be paid to post the opposite.
>>65028590If your military objective and the political objective are different you get a forever war. Read clausewitz. Read sun tzu. Retard.
>>65028553As I recall, in the first day the Iranians blamed the Jews (since it would totally be in character for them to murder a bunch of kids with a bit of plausible deniability), and by the time the picture came out of the tomahawk about to hit, we all knew that the Iranians had set up a school in a barracks on a military base in order to use them as human shields.
>>65028526>put chair force lt gen as chairman>he immediately fucks up a war and relies solely on air power>muh we destroyed 99.99999% of enemy military capabilities via bombing>the strait is still closed but we are winning, look at the numbersIts worse than McNamara. At least with McNamara the ground forces were involved.
>>65028526>we started this war>the closing of the straight was a foreseeable consequence >we don't want to risk being in the straight to open it up>you go take the risk for us
>>65028706They don't conflict, retard. The choice to attack Iran and the choice to end the war are political objectives. Taking out Iran's navy, air forces and military capabilities are military objectives.
>>65028741>The choice to attack Iran and the choice to end the war are political objectives.Read what youre typing out senpai. Read it out loud and say it again.
>>65028741>The choice to attack Iran and the choice to end the war are political objectives
Never thought I'd get to see the US empire collapse in my lifetime
>>65028741>The choice to attack Iran and the choice to end the war are political objectives. Taking out Iran's navy, air forces and military capabilities are military objectives.
I can see why Mattis resigned. What a fucking disaster.
>>65028742>>65028748>>65028752>/pol/cels cannot conceptualize air strikes that don't become a war that never endsremember that time we literally turned Soulemani into a roasted holiday ham and Iran didn't do anything? Good times
>>65028769>The U.S. has put itself in a tough spot, he said, with possible outcomes including mass casualties in Iran or relinquishing longterm, total control of the strait to Iran. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/mattis-texas-iran-hormuz-ceraweek-22093831.phpMattis says its fucked.
>>65028770Brownoids memoryholed that incident because it was too humiliatting.
>>65028770This. We already won the war and thats why the turdies are seething nonstop.
>>65028770>we attacked a high level official for no reason and they didn't retaliate>therefore it was urgent that we turned the entire middle east into a pit of fire and drive up the cost of everything for the next 10 years because they were going to strike at any moment
>>65028792You lost, turdie
>We are going to achieve all objectives through air power aloneMaybe it really isn't Hegseths fault
>>65028794Yes, I did, but calling the US a third world cunt isn't very nice
>>65028792>for no reasoni am begging for people to understand that members of the Iranian regime literally spam propaganda all across the internet. This is some of it haha
>>65028792Soleimani was a terrorist nigger sanctioned by multiple countries and deserved what he got. Trump may be a retard, but that doesn’t make Iran the good guys, thirdie-kun.
>>65028674>>65028792And this one too
>>65028792>we attacked a high level official for no reasonBesides his more general shitheel activities, Soleimani was behind the attack on the US embassy in Iraq--an event which your ilk joyfully shouted was "Trump's Benghazi," right up until he turned Soleimani into aerosol hamburger and you started screaming and crying and shitting yourself.
>>65028831"I said something stupid and people made fun of me, so I'm winning" is as dumb as saying "My entire government and military is getting destroyed, so I'm winning."oh wait, lmao
>>65028847>your ilkThat’s not a lefty, that’s an Iranian, stupid.
>>65028526he has a weird phenotype, can't quite place it
>>65028847And Israel was behind the attack on the USS Liberty but I don't see any tomahawks falling on Tel AvivGo ahead and hit that report button now, the deleted post will be a monument to your butthurt
>>65028859The fact that Israel is shit doesn’t mean Soleimani didn’t deserve to be sent to Hell early. Just like the ayatollah.
>>65028859>ad judeusNot an argument, schizo.
>>65028859I’m double dipping on this, but why are thirdies who come here to shit up the thread so butthurt about jannies?
>>65028856Hes got the chairforce phenotype.
>>65028859Yeah. But the Jews said sorry. Did Iranian ever said sorry?
>>65028876>did Iranian ever say sorrySAAAAAAAAAAAAR IRAN GOOD SAAAAAAAAAR!
>>65028859Now that they shills can no longer claim that Israel never fought with the US in a shooting war in the middle east, there's always the good ol' "but 70 years ago..."
>>65028859>muh israelas if you needed anymore proof /pol/cels are often times literally Iranians
>>65028870Jannies keep deleting their daily muttposting threads and ruining their playtime.
I hate these turdies so much holy shit. Sore fucking losers.
>>65028552>General Mattis would have conquered the entirety of Iran on the 3rd fucking week.General Mattis would have told the politicians what they are doing is stupid as fuck if they start a war of aggression without preparing for one, sending in enough troops and stockpiling enough munitions to conduct said war. And probably resigned afterwards.This where we can get into what kind of people Trump appoints in leadership positions. Every single one meets at least one of following criteria.A. They lack charisma to challenge Trump.B. They lack intelligence to challenge Trump.C. They lack morals to stand their ground when they know they are right and can be bribed to look other way easily.D. All of above.I suspect majority of Trump appointees are D-listers. Including chairman Caine and every other high level military appointment.
Alternatively pic related could happen with Mattis.
>>65028803I still believe in Air Supremacy. And USAF can do more.
>>65028961No country has ever been defeated by any kind of bombing campaign. Entire cities were deleted and it achieved nothing.>inb4 japan
>>65029116Except US have the technology and industries to do that. US bomb is accurate enough to kill a single VIP inside a remote bunker. And modern incendiary bombs can probably did much more damage compared to Tokyo fire bombing. And that is without nukes. Carpet bomb all Iranian cities including Bandar Abbas and Tabriz. While continuing deleting military command and infrastructure with precision bomb.
>>65028688Not him, but as a non american it's very clear that this board is infested by pro-american shills, paid or otherwise. I think americans just reflexively deny things when the criticism is correct, like the school bombing.
>>65028751Same, and I didn't think it would be because of sudden fatal retard syndrome
>>65029116
discussion about this war will never improve so long as pro-iran posters continue to argue in bad faith.
>>65029167Pussy tactics. You nuke every city and crop-dust the rest of the nation with anthrax. That'll win the war for sure.
>>65028803That is not a happy man.
>>65028864>>65028869>>65028898I'm just not gonna support any action that helps Israel in any way. I'm just not gonna, ok? UGH! I know, I know. I'm just not gonna is all!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
No country in the world believes the USA is winningIt's seen as an absolute fiasco in French media chud or commie t.frog
>America pulls troops from Europe and the Middle East>Israel falls, Europe has to start funding their own militaresWhere's the bad part?
>Air Force ruins everything againColor me surprised. Air Combat Command should be subordinated to the Army.
>>65029317>Israel fall.I genuinely don't understand why people think this. Israel would never fall. They will turn into stratocracy or Junta and force-conscript Hassidic. They will stop being democratic and poor but they will never fall.
>>65029342Leftists and Islamists share the trait of smugly jerking off to claims of inevitable victory while they get bodied.
>>65029357Hey don't leave out the Christians who crusaded the Holy Lands for less than what the Israeli forces are doing now
>>65028735>we don't want to risk being straightYeah, sums up american military planning
>>65029280Nafri
>>65029116Japan didn't lose to a bombing campaign they lost to realizing the US would just invade every island and kill every mother fucker on them and then put the leaders on a spike and russia was going to let them because they made a deal.
>>65029411ffs the one time my dyslexia makes shit better it's on a 4chan
>>65029246>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!Anon I think it's time for a computer break
>>65029167The US bombed every VIP they could find to the point they didn't even know who to negotiate with and the fight is still going
>>65028803>Maybe it really isn't Hegseths faultyou made that incomptent lowly three-star general the joint chiefs chairmen?
>>65028552Special needs operation - burger edition
>>65029478Except US only bombed IRGC officers, Mullah and probably some Artesh but not elected government official. Their President can step forward but for some reason he claimed he doesn't have authority to negotiate.
>>65029498The President is a figurehead with very little actual power.
>>65029498>>65029508forgot pic
>>65029524>Caine had previously served as deputy commander of USSOCOM and JSOC, so he wasn't entirely without experiencelet's read the job requirement for CJCS:"anyone picked to be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is supposed to have served as a combatant commander, as the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or as the top uniformed officer of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps or Space Force."so nope he's not qualified for this job. >I'm wondering if he got selected becauseJoint Chiefs chairmen traditionally remain in place as administrations change, regardless of the president’s political party. It's not the incoming presidents turn to select anyone.
...do you guys ever get tired of the happenings? I mean we all know in like two months we'll all be on to the next topic like nothing happened. The shills will have moved on, the memories will be holed, eyebrows raised, etc etc.How can you argue so neurotically and feverishly when this is known? Do you just absorb whatever is in the present without care for past or future like a plant? It's the same cycle of brigading, shilling, slop, and so on, on and on repeatedly with each topic and event of the month. Is this your hobby?
>>65028784>the US will have to fight an actual war, or loseno way...
>>65029568Political junkies (AKA redditards) spend all day of their lives feverishly circle jerking on every Breaking News!, but their actual knowledge on anything legal or political is paper thin. They find whatever information that backs up their own bias and ignore any information that counters their own beliefs, not that it matters much because it won't be long before their goldfish brains have the next Breaking News! shoved into their heads.Once you go down that path you don't come back.The world was a much better place when you got your news thrown on your porch that you got to read with dinner that night. Sure, it was sanitized and the like, but at least there is time to process information and maybe even catch misinformation before it is posted.
>>65029630>Once you go down that path you don't come back.I was like that for like 5 years. Eventually I noooticed and from there you can't really engage with it all with the same vigor from before, because you already know how it ends.The actual answer is that people love it. It feeds their dopamine to argue and take sides, it makes them feel sophisticated, or smug, or smart, or whatever. It's like gambling but easier since you don't lose anything but ego if you lose and you can just go elsewhere and do it again. And again. Fun forever.
>>65028769>>65028784Why are naval officers the only smart ones in the US?
>>65029658the navy is the only standing force accounted for in the constitution because you have to do long-term planning to do anything with a navy, from building to using it. that means it fosters longer-term thinking and planning which stretches at least a decade out, because even if you want to lay down a new set of hulls and ships, you have to plan at least five years in advance. you can buy a new gun quick, or maybe a new plane or missile, but a ship takes a lot longer so you gotta be sure of what you're buying, and what you're retiring
>>65029684did you just call a marine navy?
>>65029689you have @navy.mil in your fucking email i don't give a shit what else you say.
>After weeks of confusion and inconsistent statements, US war goals are Israel'sWho could have predicted such outcome.
>>65028943Did we all somehow collectively forgot how much of a shitshow Trump 1 was 2017-2020 in regards to him NOT sacking people who were all but mutinuous despite not being made to do anything even remotely contentious? They were literally waging a war and occupation in Syria even as they were ordered to pull out. Trumo is a huge retard and doesn't know shit about military matters but the military command brought these purges on themselves. And to be honest a lot of them WERE incompetent woke morons with dubious loyalties, not that "we should be friends with Russia because they are trad" is much better, but packing the service with muslim niggers and women led to exactly the same problems everyone warned about for years.
>>65028553Iran supplied shaheds to Russia to kill white kids in Ukraine. We should annihilate every brown baby and civilian in Iran and let them keep the strait and their mountain bunkers. Let them keep the weapons and eradicate the people who could wield them. Then ask euros and chinx if they have any questions.
>>65029691I’ve never had to email a marine and didn’t know they had @navy.mil in their shit. That’s big cuckoldry lmao.t. Army
>>65028784Wow gay incel Mattis said that? And it was reported by the Houston Chronicle? The largest newspaper by circulation to never received a Pulitzer Prize until 2022 when they debunked brown voter fraud in Texas?What great victory is Mattis famous for? Aside from being a Marine who can write.
>>65029723I've been curious about what Ukrainians think about the US bombing Iran. I've not seen them talk about it at all outside Zelensky(yyy) offer anti drone support. Surely they are having a good time thanks to the Starlink blackout and their recent gains but the US going from NOT MUH WAR to bodying an ally of their enemy and at least somewhat interfering with their logistics has to make them happy too, right?
>>65029630>The world was a much better place when you got your news thrown on your porch that you got to read with dinner that night.Old media was for building consensus among the masses, new media is for re-affirming your own delusions. People have always been cattle but at least the former led to some trust and cohesion.
>>65029754Russia is not being supplied by Iran any more, Russia has been producing drones in house for years now I don't know how people don't know this yet.
>>65029754far as i can tell most of the chatter is hoping to trade drone interceptors for more old bradleys, and then grumbling from those hearing about people blaming them for shit in iran not going perfectly
>>65029754russians are now aiding iran in destroying american assets and trump will be forced to raise an eyebrow at least. it's better than nothing for them.
>>65028898Yeah it's not like this war oops I mean 3 day special military operation has anything whatsoever to do with Israel right?
>>65029796>middle eastern conflict has something to do with the middle east
>>65029116>>inb4 japanwell maybe if America started bombing Iranian cities full of civilians they'd give up
>>65029684That sounds cool and all but then you take a look at Navy procurement the last 15 years or so and you gotta wonder where the smart ones are hiding
>>65028526By eliminating Iran's ability to attack its neighbors and disrupt shipping without invading, Iran's strategy is toast.
>>65028586>Shills been pushing this narrative hard.Well, unless American can force open the straits the only other way they're opening is if America's allies in the region boot America off their bases. Which they will do if America can't open the straits and their economies keep getting strangled. That seems a pretty big L as the kids say.
>>65028526He's an upjumped political stooge to replace everyone they purged. What did you expect? This is such a fucking shit show it's unbelievable.
>>65030054>please cooperate with Iran's strategy >they won't win without it
>>65030068Well then fucking do something other than screech at euros.
>>65029658the navy is a natural retard filter since they handle the most expensive shit and by extension everybody want to ensure you don't have a retard in charge of said expensive shit
>>65030068Are you even sentient? I was spelling out Iran's strategy since you seemed unaware of it and are so /pol/brained you can only think in terms of narratives. The Iranian terms are that the US leaves the middle east. Unless the US can force them to drop these terms from the air campaign, which I doubt, then at some point the US is going to have to find a way to force the straits open.If they don't do this, the arab states will eventually tell them to leave and decide the issue for them.
>>65030084>The GCC states will surely save us!You're not sentient enough to realize how alone you truly are.
>>65030084>Iran's strategyIran's strategy is being the bully stealing everyone's lunch money which never works in the long run because you'll finally piss everyone off enough for someone to fight back.Iran's demands are a joke.
>>65030087>bars iranians from enteringI'm not sure how this opens the straits. I don't doubt the gulf states are pissed at Iran. I'm sure they'd prefer if the US opens the straits for them than come to an accommodation with Iran, but they will if the first option if off the table. I'm 100% sure they won't do it themselves.
>>65030093You think I'm supporting Iran? Lol. I'd much prefer America wins, but I don't see how it happens the way you want it to happen, ie. low cost, purely air campaignYou're gonna have to put grunts on the ground and ships intothe straits.I'm just telling you how I see the reality of the situation.
>>65030105>You're gonna have to put grunts on the ground and ships intothe straits.why?
>>650301091. Because the population probably isn't going to rise up. They might have done a few months ago but since then a huge number got massacred and feel betrayed by the US, which promised them help if they rose, but no help came. And don't think Teheran isn't working that angle hard in their internal propaganda.2. Because if whoever is calling the shots was willing to toss in the towel over a pure aerial campaign, I think they would have done it by now.3. Because as much as I think America can hit military targets all along the straits and degrade Iran's capability to hit ships passing through, it's really easy for them to hit big fait oil tankers transiting, so I don't think it can ever be eliminated as a capability.4. Until the risk from that capability is brought right down to nearly zero, insurance companies will simply not take that risk, and without insurance, the ships don't move.These are just my opinions, so take em or leave em, makes no odds to me.
>>65030109Aircraft can't hold territory.
>>65030094In no way would Iran and the Gulf states ever come to terms. They both hated each other before the current mess. >>65030105There is no way Iran is going to win this by pissing off the rest of the world. Their only partners in this are Russia and China and they aren't going to do shit.
>>65030122according to who, some random guy whos post got screenshotted by a teenager?
>>65030137Would you like to provide some historical examples of aircraft holding territory?
>>65030130>In no way would Iran and the Gulf states ever come to terms. They both hated each other before the current mess.They'll probably think it's better to hate Iran and stay rich than hate Iran and become poor.>There is no way Iran is going to win this by pissing off the rest of the world. Their only partners in this are Russia and China and they aren't going to do shit.What do you think is going to happen? The Euros are suddenly going to forget about 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan for nothing and all the Ukraine and Greenland and tariffs bullshit and send their troops to fight in Iran? Who else do you imagine sending troops? Indonesia? South Africa? Japan? Like who is this rest of the world you're talking about who is going to send troops? Name some countries.
>>65030084Iran's strategy is bait an invasion. >If they don't do this, the arab states will eventually tell them to leave and decide the issue for themWhy would that happen after Iran has attacked them repeatedly, threatened their energy exports and food imports, made demands of sole control of the strait, which violates Omani sovereignty over its territorial waters, and the Arab states have invested even further into American weapons to defend themselves?
>>65030143Are the Euros going to suddenly forget that Iran attacked the energy market, treaty allies, and practiced open piracy?
>>65030145Because their economies are getting throttled. Arabs are cowardly and easily bullied, Israel has been doing it for like 60 years now and Iran has significantly more resources.As I said, they'll probably think it's better to hate Iran and stay rich.>Iran's strategy is bait an invasion.Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know. I personally think the US would win a ground war pretty easily, but then get stuck in a shitty occupation again.
>>65030155I think they're not going to forget that they had a working agreement with Iran and that America started this war. Like you need to understand how unpopular this war is in Europe. Fucking Keir Starmer's popularity has jumped 27 points purely on the strength of keeping the UK out of this. 27! And this is the UK, they fucking love America and have historically been up for just about any fight going.
Hegseth is like a little league dad trying to live out his baseball fantasies through someone else. Guardsman who thinks he knows what it's like to be Rambo. In another situation this guy would be shilling veteran-owned, veteran-operated sunglasses or something on Youtube.
>>65029167Killing all the leadership can backfire, if the military is given contingency orders, you've killed everyone who has the power to surrender. There's a reason why the US didn't kill the Japanese Emperor, they needed him to issue the surrender order. Had they killed him, the Japs would have probably kept fighting indefinitely. A military can continue to fight without political leadership, sometimes they do better without it.
>>65029317Everyone starts buying oil in Euros and Yuan
>>65029754> I've been curious about what Ukrainians think about the US bombing Iran> bodying an ally of their enemy and at least somewhat interfering with their logistics has to make them happy too, right?From a "detached" point of view it was indeed pleasant to see - putin-allied regime getting what it deserves; putin getting scared of mad israel camera hacks and shutting down internet in moscow for a week; our and russian thots and scammers chilling in dubaisk - suddenly shitting themselves at the sight of drones and missiles, very pleasant, very funny.But from a practical one not so much- fuel prices almost tripled. while it wasnt affordable for most to begin with- no iranian shahed has been used to attack ukraine since ~late 2023, its all russian-made and they are more advanced than "originals".- trigger-happy use of patriot interceptors was cool to see but it means we wont get new ones basically ever again- it might not end anytime soon. that is worrying
>>65030180Why would they forgive Iran for threatening their economies, attacking neutral nations, including treaty allies, and practicing open piracy, one of the biggest taboos of the international order Europe is so supportive of? They can be upset with America, but it makes no sense whatsoever for them to let Iran off the hook.
>>65029754They’re pissed about the de-sanctioning of Russian oil, but otherwise are glad that a crucial center of R&D and production for Russia is engaged in their own conflict, reducing how much they can contribute to Ukraine’s enemies.
>>65030143>They'll probably think it's better to hate Iran and stay rich than hate Iran and become poor.They won't be rich if they have to pay Iran's fee to use international water, and it's doubtful they let them in the first place.>>65030180>I think they're not going to forget that they had a working agreement with Iran and that America started this war.No they didn't. The p-p-p-please Iran here is some money and promise to not build a nuke is 1.) retarded and 2.) wasn't working. It's also lopsided in Iran's favor. >>65030192>Killing all the leadership can backfire, if the military is given contingency orders, you've killed everyone who has the power to surrender.You just gave their underlings a reason to surrender. Unlike the Japanese Emperor, who was a moderating voice, the Ayatollah and the senior government are not. There was in no way the current leadership going to come to terms lmao.
>>65030227Yeah they'll be pissed about all of that. But they won't send troops.
>>65030168>Because their economies are getting throttledWhich is precisely why they would look to counter current and future Iranian aggression.>Israel You just couldn't help yourself.>but then get stuck in a shitty occupation again.There's the wrinkle. That's where their strategy comes into play They want to bait the US into invading and occupying. They don't really have any other way to win.
>>65029689Department of the NAVY
>>65030240They will if the UAE invokes their treaties, Oman goes to the UN asking for assistance maintaining sovereignty over their territorial waters, or if it becomes necessary to escort ships through the strait, something which has already been offered before.
>>65030232>They won't be rich if they have to pay Iran's fee to use international water, and it's doubtful they let them in the first place.They'll be richer than they would be with 95% of their economy switched off. Anyway, I think Iran would absolutely settle for them kicking the US out. Art of the deal and all, you know. Set a maximalist demand and then come down from there.>No they didn't.They think they did and that's what mattered. Trust me, you will never convince them otherwise.>>65030244>Which is precisely why they would look to counter current and future Iranian aggression.They can't counter Iranian aggression now and they need an economy in the future to counter future aggression .>You just couldn't help yourself.I just couldn't help myself what? Use a relevant example about how weak and shitty arab militaries are?>There's the wrinkle. That's where their strategy comes into playEveryone has a plan till they get punched in the face.
>>65030254Dude who is going to send troops? The UN doesn't have troops of it's own, it relies on member nations to send troops. Who is that going to be?Also>UNLmao, did you forget that Russia is on the security council and can just veto any proposed UN action?
>>65030264>They can't counter Iranian aggression nowThe United States has actually been restraining the Gulf States from using their militaries.
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>>65028541>the military never Clausewitz
>>65030270Desert Storm was conducted with UN authorization. If the situation for global energy market actually does get bad and Iran refuses to relent, there is precedent for the UN forming a coalition with US lead precisely to counter aggression and to protect energy exports in this exact region. Europeans (and others) also participated in the tanker convoy escorts of the 1980s and, like I keep repeating, have defensive treaties with Gulf States.
>>65030264>They'll be richer than they would be with 95% of their economy switched off.They have zero guarantee Iran won't pull off a similar stuff down the road. They aren't to capitulate with Iran now. This would be like the Russians surrendering to the Germans after the battle of Seelow Heights. They're down now.
>>65030294>Europe will send troo...Stop, that's not going to happen. Even if the Euro leadership wanted to, which they don't, this war is so wildly unpopular that no politician's career will survive joining it.>>65030296>They have zero guarantee Iran won't pull off a similar stuff down the road.They don't, that's true. So they'd probably respond by biting the bullet now and gearing up and buying more weapons. And tension will ratchet up a bit, but the Iranian regime survives and gets rid of the US in it's back yard.
>>65030121Brown hands typed this
>>65030294the big difference between 1980 was a consequence of the Iraq-Iran war. now it's the US and Israel starting itthe mess may effect the rest of the world but as far as they are concerned it's the fault of the US and Israel
>>65030316>Even if the Euro leadership wanted to, which they don't, this war is so wildly unpopular that no politician's career will survive joining it.Which is more unpopular, joining a war that will be over in a month at most, or paying 10 euros a liter at the pump?>They don't, that's true. So they'd probably respond by biting the bullet now and gearing up and buying more weapons. And tension will ratchet up a bit, but the Iranian regime survives and gets rid of the US in it's back yard.In what world of cope would tensions rise, but the Iran's government survives? The longer this shit goes on the more countries are going to be pissed at Iran.
>>65030341>joining a war that will be over in a month at mostHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH
>>65030316There are already three plausible scenarios which align with precedent for European actions>Tanker War style escorts>treaty allies calling them up>UN mission to the straitBritain and France have already publicly flirted with the idea and have helped shoot down a few drones. If there actually becomes a need to escort tankers through the strait again, do not be surprised if the Europeans help out.
>>65030335Iran is the one who has caught the vast majority of the blowback. It was their decision to close the strait. It was their decision to attack everyone around them. It was their decision to fire on neutral shipping. Even Russia was unwilling to use its veto in the UN to cover for Iran.
>>65030348>Iran's winning condition:Everyone must leave and pay our tolls, ignore the fact they have practically no military left to force anyone to leave or pay their tolls>Everyone else's winning conditionOpen up the straight that is blocked by a country with practically no military left.Geee. Iran, must be the winning one here?
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>65030341Sure they'll be pissed off. But they won't send troops. At this point we're just going in circles, you keep repeating your worldview and I keep repeating mine. I'm not sure there's much point continuing. >>65030360There's already a need to escort tankers and they're not sending ships.
>>65030365>Open up the straight that is blocked by a country with practically no military left.Sure, that's absolutely an option for the US. But it's going to take a heavy commitment of ground troops.Like I'm not arguing that the US would win such a war. I'm arguing that such a war is what they need to do to win.
>>65030363>Iran is the one who has caught the vast majority of the blowbackif you live in Israel, surefor the rest of the world it's beehive that the US and Israel decided to kick for, to them, no good reasonthis can end by Iran or the US backing out and frankly for most of the world they don't care whoso the question for them is who will give in first or better who they can get to give in firstsince Trump keeps flailing around to get them involved it looks like just ignoring him might just do the jobbonus points for not having to risk any military assets and if it doesn't work you've still got plan b
>>65030374Oil is at ~$102. The pressure hasn't built up quite yet.>>65030377>But it's going to take a heavy commitment of ground troops.It won't. The missing pieces are smaller warships to guard against boats and larger ones for missile defense. There's no need for ground troops.
>>65030365>Open up the straight that is blocked by a country with practically no military left.sure, those are some really nice words and we will believe them the moment that the US behaves like they are truehow about sailing some surface combatants into the Golf instead of staying way out in the Indian ocean?
>>65030391>The missing pieces are smaller warships to guard against boatsDamn, if only we had some of those.
>>65030365>ignore the fact they have practically no military left to force anyone to leave or pay their tollsWhy don't oil tankers go through the strait now if there's no Iranian military to stop the tankers? We've decimated their nukes back in June (Operation Midnight Hammer) and their military capabilities (Operation Epic Fury). We literally won but tankers won't go??
>>65030407Because there is only a 99% chance of not being hit. They want a 100% chance first. It's really mostly insurance that is causing the issue right now.But that is besides the point. The longer this goes on the more countries are going to be pissed at Iran. There is no way for Iran to win this in any realistic scenario. The tankers will be freely moving sooner, rather than later.
>>65030385Explain UNSC Resolution 2817.
>>65030416>UNSC Resolution 2817>don't shoot at third partiesthat's very nice, but the fuck are you going to do about it?it's deeply ironic to see MAGA and MIG wave around a UN resolution like it's a magic charm considering how much they hate the UN
>>65030415there's one simple solution, sail a LSM or any other major surface combatant through the straight why would an unarmed commercial vessel take a risk that an armed one wouldn't?
>>65030264To summarize the current shill narrative:>Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Oman will surrender their territory and sovereignty to Iran>Iran will force the entire world to pay for passage through the Straits of Hormuz>the entire rest of the ME will immediately kick out the USA >also the USA has already been kicked out the ME by Iranian drones and missiles>Europe will align itself with Iran>everyone will go along with this
>>65030430Cool straw man, now try addressing the points I actually made.
>>65030423>don't shoot at third partiesAnd don't close the strait. Where is there comparable condemnation of the United States and Israel for attacking Iran?
>>65030437>Where is there comparable condemnation of the United States and Israel for attacking Iranhow about every single country Trump has asked to come and help telling him to go suck a dickalso less than half a year ago Trump was ranting and raving against the UN and all of his worshipers where echoing it in unisonbut now that there's a UN resolution that favors them the UN is THE arbiter of all things international
>>65028541The initial objective was for America to raise its eyebrow so that iran would understand that the mcdonald burger is cooked and served.
>>65030456So there is nothing comparable. This is to be expected. A unanimous security council vote with even supposed allies abstaining and 135 cosponsors is pretty damning.
>>65028586>shillsGet your head out of your ass. Imagine if Vietnam had managed to blow up a rare and expensive plane on Guam or Okinawa with a suicide biplane. Massive humiliation even if another one could replace it soon.Not even the worse humiliation, imagine if Nixon said "we won" after bombing hanoi then proceeded to beg and have a public meltdown on public television(closest equivalent to social media now) that some of his allies aren't helping in a war they have nothing to do with.You really need to have severe cognitive disonance bordering schizophrenia if you don't see how pathetic this look. I guess some miga cultist need to be that retarded to know any better by now or they are too prideful to admit they were wrong which might be even more retarded.
>>65030470have any of those security council memebers or the 135 cosponsors shown up to the Trump big greatest naval coalition for opening up the Straight and many other super things that don't involve risking any US ships?because you can wave your resolution around all you want it isn't going to do shit because they don't mean shit unless the countries behind them do something about them
>>65030482>unc comparing everything to Vietnam Pipe down, BOOMER.
>>65030482Multiple North Vietnamese pilots achieved "ace" status against American. Iran can't even hope to reach their level.
>>65028553The school bombing could be a legitimate accident, the worse is the whole pearl harbor-esque character of the start of the war>sneak attack>while ongoing negotiations are happeningListening to Roosevelt's speech following pearl harbor especially about the character of the war really show you how far America has fallen.also the submarine sinking an unarmed ship that went to some parade and not rescuing the sailors is also worse because it's a deliberate war crime and not a mistake
>>65030196Seems like China's not interested in the Yuan becoming a world currency. Also the "Euro" is a meme currency. The "EU" is going to enforce anything in the Middle East. Maybe if they have a strong Caesar figure take over.
>>65030492It's war, shit happensNot like Iran labels their military installations
>>65029723>um others doing bad things mean we can be absolute genocidal niggers tooCalm down moshe, first you are brown too and secondly those "white" people have a superior morality than this. Ukraine isn't bombing Russian schools and hospitals. To step down to those "browns" 's level mean being the same as them, which confirm my first point considering Israel's behavior in gaza.
>>65030492the sick part about the school strike is the outright, blatant lying wtf are you doing claiming that Iran has tomahawks?is it because Obama bombed weddings by mistake and so he can't admit to fucking up as well?
>>65030485Britain and France have openly talked about it. You still haven't shown me any blowback against the United States comparable to the majority of world governments denouncing it for attacking Iran and its own supposed closest internationally recognized allies refusing to offer diplomatic support.
>>65030515>Britain and France have openly talked about it.And immediately backed off when their populations reacted with incandescent rage.
>>65030515oh great there's a combined bong and frog fleet sailing as we type this to go open up the straight then?>but muh UN resolution
>>65030524why
>>65028770>everyone not agreing with my narative is a /pol/fagStrawmanning AND ad hominem? Doesn't sound like got any argument. Faggots like you poisoned the well online and basically prevent any serious discussion, doesn't matter if you are Mossad, CIA or pajeets paid by the FSB. I'd put all you fuckers in front of a firing squad since Nuremberg had propagandists on death row for inciting genocide.
>>65030524>And immediately pussied out when their muslim diaspora started chimping outftfy
>>65030527>before the bombing of Iran>the straight is open>after the bombing of Iran >the straight is closedoh gee I wonder what could have caused this and who people would blamewould they approve of their brothers, daughters and father having to risk their lives for something some else started?
>>65028898>um brown people dont like israel so if you ever say anything negative about israel you are brown
>>65030527BECAUSE WE FUCKING HATE TRUMPJesus Christ it's not hard. We're not going to send our guys to die for his vanity. There was a working nuclear deal with Iran.
>>65030524Both have already sent additional troops to the region. Their role has mostly been defensive though.>>65030525There is no blowback against the United States comparable to that against Iran.
>>65030527euro retards are literally all white male democratsTheres a reason why Trump/Russia had some minor connections, that was the only euro country that liked him
>Guise, europe will send troops to this war they're angry about on behalf of a guy they hate who despises, belittles and threatens them every chance he gets because... they just will ok!Meanwhile fucking Poland, the most pro USA country on the face of the planet, won't even send ONE patriot battery.
>>65030537>who people would blameIran apparently
>>65030544>a working deal that produced 11kg of weapons-grade uranium
>>65030560Yeah that's a lie though.
>>65030556France and Britain already did. Iran has also killed French servicemen.
>>65030552lookyour "argument" style is that you find y that is tangentially in favor of your point and then declare it to be the only possible way of proving anything, until the next treadit is the very definition of argumentum ab auctoritate. not because the UN isn't the UN.but because resolutions mean shit unless the member states actually do something about it russia and china both voter for your piece of paperif they meant what's on it they would have forced Iran to cut it out by nowthey haven't hence it's a piece of papernot one of the countries that have voted on it have done anything to effect it more than they where already doing before it was voted onthat's the realityTrump asked for a coalition and he got shit, that's what matters
>>65030491Americans can't achieve ace status either in this war. Pretty sure there hasn't been an ace worldwide in a long time. It's proof warfare is turning gay.>>65030488not an argument, grow a brain nigger.>>65030501I agree with that in the post. In the grand scheme of things, a bomb school change nothing in the war but will be exploited by Iran for propaganda. There are other things that America did that actually taint their honor but aren't talked about because retards just care about appealing to emotions because the masses are retarded. All this retardation piss me off, muh civilians muh whatabboutism repression of revolts by Iran. I don't give a fuck, people die in wars. What matter is acting without honor and try to gaslight the world otherwise. Before I get called a brown shill, Iran has attacked civilians in neutral countries. Which is also without honor even if you can justify it with some machiavelian pragmatism about taking the region hostage to pressure the Americans indirectly.>>65030512cult-like mentality mixed with brown mentality about never accepting their own wrongsThis is the kind of shit you read about the soviets doing where they blame their own war crime on the germans, the fact America is doing it openly like retards is scary. At some point if they keep getting away with it, it will be just like russia with the "they know we know they are lying and no one care" attitude.
>>65030577Honor like that died in WW1
>>65030556Soon in the future, Trump will go "we were always at war with Europe, Russia was always our ally" and his retarded cultists will just force themselves to accept it. Pretty sure a toddler would understand that insulting and menacing people isn't the way to get and keep friends.
>>65029721"Waging a war and occupation in Syria"Yeah bro, being the literal ONE infantry battalion in 2019 doing anything, driving in circles between the dozen JMC and MMC checkpoints doing fuck-all (Our entire infantry battalion combined ended up killing ONE guy in the entire deployment on an off chance shot into pitch black darkness in the vague direction of harassing AK fire with an M2, lmfao) was a massive war bro. Trust me bro.The entire "war" was the Air Force and Navy bombing shit on behalf of the SDF with a couple SOF units occasionally joining the fun. Even the Rangers out of H2 barely did shit. The only CIBs handed out to any non-SOF were from random miniscule bullshit or companies actively trying to get shot at by faggots with an AK from so far away they would more easily win the lottery than hurt you. There's a YouTube video of some 11Bs "clearing tunnels in Syria" but I happen to know that those "dangerous tunnels" were under a manned SDF checkpoint near the Turkish border where there hadn't been a firefight in multiple years. The only actual goal at the time was "vaguely assure the SDF that there will be a continued American presence and counteract Russian influence in the AO", which we did swimmingly well (until Trump's dumb ass fucked that one up at Erdogan's request, surprise surprise). Mattis wanted to at least continue that mission, or even expand on what we were doing given we had the resources in the AO to get shit done and the actual legitimate support of the locals. And he was 100% right in that regard. Shit, Russian troops posted pictures of the gravel pit in PB Rose that I helped build of random shit like my friend's ASU nameplate (and I remember those retards trying to make fun of us for having folding chairs, what a bizarre world), and we look like fucking chumps for it as usual.
>>65030596have you seen the videos of the airbase the russians abandoned? they must have been jealous of your folding chairs
>>65030577the thing is as a lawfag I perfectly understand and am fine with doing just about what ever it takes to deny ones liabilitybut it's just so blatantly, obviously a lie it's the kind of shit you'd expect a "I don't need legal counsel I'll represent my self" guy to come up with
>>65030391>There's no need for ground troops.>Trump sending the USS Tripoli Amphibious Ready Group and the embarked 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit to Iran>Trump sending USS Boxer Amphibious Ready Group and the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit to Iran>Trump sending the 82nd Airbrone to IranAll signs point to a ground invasion of Iran, wouldn't that make you look like a retard if that happened?
>>65030581I'm not talking "muh honorable warfare" with ambushes being evil and not standing in lines taking shots being cowardly. I meant living to the same standards you expect the others to act. If you start doing bad stuff, then you lose any moral superiority and can't in full honesty blame the others if they do the same at you. Just like how Donitz got away with unrestricted submarine warfare because Nimitz defended him by saying America did the same. America cried about the character of the attack at pearl harbor and they were in their right to call the scummy nature of it, but then they do the same against Iran. If pearl harbor 2 would happen, then they would lose all legitimacy to complain about it. Double standards are for faggots and this is why you can't call out Russia for their war crimes in Ukraine but somehow use mental gymnastic to pardon all the actions of Israel and America.If a thief complained about being robbed everyone would it's deserved. You live a scummy life, you die a scummy death. I'd prefer not being the one to introduce chemical warfare and flamethrower in a war if I'm standing in front of a war crime trial(which didn't happen for ww1 germany but I wonder how these weapons would have been judged).
>>65030577>muh honorVery brown and Izzat-coded post.
>>65030571The international community is more hostile to Iran for attacking third parties, closing the strait, and firing on shipping than they are with the United States for attacking Iran. This is evidenced by the fact there has not been a condemnation of the United States by the international community for attacking Iran, the same way there has been condemnation of Iran.
>>65030613>which didn't happen for ww1 germany but I wonder how these weapons would have been judgedwell the allies did consider it but they couldn't figure out how they'd get the charges to stick without incriminating themselves there was also the Versailles peace treaty being worked on, they couldn't force anything through that would have made the Germans refuse to sign it. war crime trials was something they where fairly certain of they'd refuse over. the terms where pretty close to what they Germans where willing to take as is
>>65028526>His goal is the destruction of Iran's military capabilities, not the defeat of Iran's strategy.While he is fucking retarded this is how the military needs to be used. Politicians need to understand it can't fix every problem and is only effective against conventional forces.There is no world where the US military starts a war by killing the Shia pope and ends it with enough public support for a US allied Iranian government to not be overthrown the minute they leave.
>>65030614>being dishonest, untrustworthy, backstabbing, sadistic, vindictive and in general inhuman is le whiteI wonder who is behind this post.
>>65030639>Politicians need to understand it can't fix every problem and is only effective against conventional forces.Skill issuehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Banner
>>65030639>where the US military starts a war by killing the Shia popeYou mean Israel? The US never targeted civilians.>b-but muh girls' schoolThey targeted a barracks on a military base, it just happened to have been converted to a school since the last time the target list was updated.
>>65030687>They targeted a barracks on a military base, it just happened to have been converted to a school since the last time the target list was updated.Then that's what they should have said first. Not done a whole Russian MH-17 firehose of bullshit thing.>You mean Israel? The US never targeted civilians.I understand what you mean, but literally nobody in the middle east cares about the distinction between Israel and the US.
>>65030679>Good Friday Agreement restored self-government to Northern IrelandLol perfect example, thanks anon.
>>65030687The supreme commander of the military is not a civilian.The US knew about the attack ahead of time and could have applied enough political pressure to stop it thanks to Israel being dependant on US gibs and arms manufactures.
>>65030553Cool, Trump can ask Russia for help in Iran.
>>65030706>and could have applied enough political pressure to stop itlol, lmao
>>65030742Literally no republican will ever be popular in EurolandDon't act like Trump started or caused thisAnything remotely "conservative" will be deeply unpopular in euroland
>>65030749Well Bush Jr was able to get several countries to send soldiers to fight and die in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Don't know how technically popular Bush was among the general populace, but you can't ask and receive much more from another country than that.If you mean no republican will ever be popular in euroland again, well, gee I wonder why? What bad experience could possibly make them become like that? Hmmm.......
>>65030762>the bad experience in question being that a POTUS bluntly said what every POTUS since Clinton has been thinking
>>65030767Clinton wanted to annex Greenland? Can you cite his memoir please?
>>65030771>oh a bloo bloo Trump said something that was obviously never going to happen
>>65030771No european lives in Greenland
>>65030772>if he said something I like it's the unspoken but obvious truth and if he said something I don't like then he was obviously not being serious bro
>>65030780>yet another sensitive soul bamboolzed by Trumps negotiating tactics>tactics we've been aware of for over a decade
>>65030784He sure negotiated eurofags into helping him get the straight, for no land gained, lmao.
>>65030786>pivoting to an unrelated topic of discussion Man, just go to /pol/.
>>65030791Okay dude, I pivoted by bitching about how eurofags don't like american conservatives.But sure, we can go back to the original point. If Russia is the only country friendly to Trump (YOUR CLAIM), he should definitely ask them for help with Iran. Now, you acted severely offended when I brought this up, care to explain your argument?
>>65030804>If Russia is the only country friendly to Trump (YOUR CLAIM)NTA homie.
>>65030804We don't need help, Trump is just worried about midterms
>>65029749Mattis is married now, and not an incel. I also touched a woman's hand last month. Later virgins, lmao.
Im amazed that all you brown euros think you know better than the fucking pentagon. Yeah lets just let Iran dictate the war and react to them and open the strait. Fucking idiots. We will keep bombing them and not let Iran dictate the terms of war, plain and simple.
>>65028526https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2039139051609997735?s=20Well, he's failed even at that, because Iran retains the military capabilities they need to hold shipping in Hormuz at risk while allowing their own exports to pass, and through this extract economic and political gains. This is an asymmetric war and if Iran survives as a state with their oil exports while now extracting tolls from most of the world's oil production, they've won. >>65030821Trump's talking about just leaving Iran in control of the straight. He could easily be bluffing, but it's also true that opening it would require escalation (ie troops on ground and being killed) that he might not be willing to do. https://fixvx.com/Osinttechnical/status/2039100862778249437?s=20
>>65030693Actually it's 37 years of resolute military action forcing an insurgency to give up their arms without achieving any of their goals.
>>65030749This is the most delusional shit I have read in a while.This admin has:>said European leadership is weak>endorsed political parties in European countries>helped Russia as much as possible>said if Russia invaded Europe the US wouldn't get involved>ended free trade agreements and introduced tariffs>threatened an EU member with annexation>said EU forces didn't help much in the GWOT>started a war without warning anyone>now says he will walk away from the war he started and leave others to deal with itPersonally I don't like republicans because their economic policy is bad for the working class but my government is much more pragmatic and has always sucked US cock no matter who is in office.
>>65030836I should say, misdirecting. There's going to be some sort of announcement tomorrow regarding Iran. If we keep seeing troop movements the US might still make a move for Kharg or something like that even when he keeps jawboning markets with talk of peace. https://x.com/PressSec/status/2039127824947183967?s=20
>>65030836>Well, he's failed even at that, because Iran retains the military capabilities they need to hold shipping in Hormuz at risk while allowing their own exports to passGoalpost shift of the century. Getting real tired of the low effort shilling.
>>65030809>We don't need helpSo stop fucking bitching at us to help then, jesus.
These threads are blatant brown propaganda and need to be deleted. Iran is completely defeated its fucking obvious. They have no navy or air force left and their army is basically gone too. How the fuck is that winning? Fucking idiots.
>>65030842 Iran retains the capabilities to threaten their neighbors. Iran remains a state with a functioning chain of command and military. Iran remains able to export oil and profit from it. They remain in possible possession of HEU. What exactly has this war done?
>>65030840>>said European leadership is weakThey are. >>endorsed political parties in European countriesGood. >>helped Russia as much as possibleAbsolutely ridiculous. >>said if Russia invaded Europe the US wouldn't get involvedYes. If Europeans wont commit to their own defense, why should we defend them?>>ended free trade agreements and introduced tariffsGood. Globalism is a scam. >>threatened an EU member with annexationOh no mean words. >>said EU forces didn't help much in the GWOTThey didnt. Only really the UK contributed in any meaningful way. >>started a war without warning anyoneAnd? >>now says he will walk away from the war he started and leave others to deal with itAnd?
>>65030848>andand 6$ gas and Dem +12 midterms
>>65030847>okay sure Iran has been stripped of its navy, airforce, nuclear program, missile stocks, military industrial complex and most of its leadership>but it retains the ability to harass civilian shipping so that doesn't count
>>65030841It's not going to be Kharg. There's nothing of military value there. We could just declare a blockade if the goal was to prevent Iran from shipping out oil, and stealing their oil on Kharg won't get it through the strait.
>>65030848>They didnt. Only really the UK contributed in any meaningful way.British soldier here, we relied on danish troops heavily in Helmand.
>>65030852Its $3.60 where I am at and polling suggests Americans are positive about the handling of the war. Dems are going to take the house anyway, and when they do they wont stop this war (they want it too).
>>65030846Wars are an extension of politics by other means, the US started with the goal of overthrowing the Iranian regime and now the former rulers son is in charge.The US can destroy the Iranian military as much as they want it won't achieve the political goal of regime change.Look at Vietnam war casualties, then check who "won" based on political goals achieved.>>65030848Now you are seeing the consequences of acting like that.
>>65030854Yes, I think retaining the capability to harass a significant portion of the worlds oil and gas production and shipping including extracting tolls from shipping passing through Hormuz is significant. https://x.com/DAlperovitch/status/2039139999904346333?s=20
>>65030861>British soldier here, we relied on danish troops heavily in Helmand.They sent a total of 9,000 men over a period of 11 years. Wow. Huge.
>>65030864>and now the former rulers son is in charge.Actually, a cardboard cutout of the former ruler's son is nominally in charge while someone completely different is actually in charge.
>>65030864Wow anon you some sort of general of bumfuck nowhere? Kys
>>65030862US average hit $4 a few days ago. War polling is 60% disapprove. https://www.gasbuddy.com/chartshttps://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/two-thirds-americans-want-quick-end-iran-war-even-if-goals-unachieved-2026-03-31/
>>65030869You're doing this tremendously dishonest thing we're you're trying to reframe the conflict as being over the straights. This is because the US has total air supremacy over Iran and has shattered its conventional military abilities. >>65030864>Now you are seeing the consequences of acting like that.Oh yes, how dare we expect our allies to pull their weight.
>>65030227Probably because America and Israel started this war on their own >>65030254UAE and Oman don't have much of a military and the UN never does shit >>65030862Why do you lie shill? No one here likes the war. If you were American you'd know Moishe.https://time.com/article/2026/03/26/us-iran-war-poll-americans-public-opinion-approve-democrats-republicans/I have yet to meet a single person who does
>>65030887>our alliesWhat allies? That is the consequence.
>>65030869>retaining the capability to harassverbally harass, really
>>65030872Yep, and we needed them.
>>65030886>US average hit $4 a few days agoThe US average is fucked by California. >War polling is 60% disapprove.Unnamed poll.
>>65030855>We could just declare a blockade if the goal was to prevent Iran from shipping out oilthe US cannot. Iranian oil stops being Iranian oil after it's being sold and loaded onto Chinese tankers. want to blockade Chinese tankers?
America doesnt need allies. We took Iraq alone in 2003
>>65030887>Oh yes, how dare we expect our allies to pull their weight.I thought you didn't need us?
>>65030891>What allies? That is the consequence.Yes, its become clear we have no allies. >>65030899Imagine what you could have achieved if they contributed more than an under-strength battalion.
>>65028552Dan Caine is simply following ordersSecWAR, acting on orders directly from the President, has systematically purged the upper ranks of the military of anyone who asks stupid questions like "what are our objectives" and "have you considered the threat to commercial shipping" in order to ensure that there is no one left to get in the way of the Presidents agenda
>>65030904Yes.
>>65030906Cool, so stop bitching at us to help. Honestly, can Americans stop being so schizo>Allies pull your weight>We don't need you!>PLEASE help us fight Iran>Baka, we never needed your help with anything!STOP being TSUNDERE
>>65030908>I thought you didn't need us?You're arguing like a woman. 1. We expect our allies to pull their weight2. We have expressed disappointment in their failures3. Their response to our expression of disappointment is to demonstrate that they are not, in fact, allies.
>>65030909>Yes, its become clear we have no allies.You don't, you are in the same position as Russia and North Korea for some reason. I'm sure you never did anything wrong just like they didn't.
>>65030904>want to blockade Chinese tankersthe rain shit is retard but yes to this
>>65030909>an under-strength battalionBetter than nothing, which is what you'll get under Trump.
>>65030912>has systematically purged the upper ranksNo, that was Obama who axed 100+ flag officers. Trump admin has barely shuffled the deck.
>>65028586The line was>its not a school>it was a school but the enemy was hiding there>the Iranians blew it up>the whole thing is AI>schools dont existAll at the same time
>>65030918Allies consult each other before launching wars.>but you would have leaked our sekrit plans to the ayatollahNot even remotely true.
>>65030925>Better than nothingWould it not have been better to have MORE? >>65030920We've always been in the same position. The only difference is now there is no pretending.
>>65030901It's a Reuters/Ipsos poll retard are you illiterate? Maybe translate to Hebrew first>>65030918If we had told them before hand they would've helped.>>65030926Absolute MIGA boomer delusion
>>65030933Denmark's a small nation, per capita they contributed more than we did.
>>65030923>>65030916So you want WW3 for Israel? Noted IDF
>>65030934>If we had told them before hand they would've helped.They are actively impeding the war effort. So no. >Absolute MIGA boomer delusionIts was 197 flag officers and field commanders.
>>650309181. We expect our allies to not threaten to annex our territory. No, we don't think it's a funny joke.
>>65030938chinks won't do shit
>>65030936>please ignore everyone else You're still arguing like a woman.
>>65030934>If we had told them before hand they would've helped.If literally anyone but the bad orange man had ordered the surprise attack, they would have helped. It's political suicide for any other leader to be seen supporting Trump, which is why they protest loudly in public and then quietly concede later on. At some point they'll start making freedom of navigation patrols, after Trump stops talking about it.
>>65030939>>65030918Absolutely stellar job obscuring cause and effect.>"Why do they oppress me so!?" he said, as he plunged a knife into their back
>>65030943You're that perpetually asshurt dane right? Larping as a british soldier too now?
>>65030938Why didn't the chinks do anything when we seized their ship last week? Why would they do anything if we seized a tanker trading in sanctioned oil?
>>65030951>If literally anyone but the bad orange man Maybe he just really kinda does suck, and everyone but you can see it?
>>65030952We've been asking Europe to take defense seriously since the late 1990's and received nothing but condescension in return. We're done asking.
>>65030958He's a retard and I didn't vote for him, but I don't get asshurt over it like you do.
>>65030933>We've always been in the same positionI'm an Aussie, we followed you into Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Syria and Marawi.As thanks you hit us with tariffs and said we had to increase our drug prices. I'm going to enjoy watching you collapse and hope you don't segregate your internet so I can laugh at you the whole way down.
>>65030958Actually, the premise is that European leaders are fickle and weak-willed.
>>65030955Love me some danes, happy to talk about their territory as "ours" for the purposes of demonstrating to yanks that we have solidarity with them.Because unlike you, we understand how to be good allies. Their honour is our honour.
>>65029568You think this will be over in two months?Why?
>>65030939They are? Why do you think dipshit >197 Source? Here's mine shitlicker turdie shill
>>65030966>larping as an Aussie now
>>65030959Yes, you're definitely the poor victim here.
>>65030976>we have no allies>no you can't be from one of our best allies that destroys my narrativeYeah nah get fucked
>>65030974>well hes only a unit commander so it doesn't count
>>65030989>the larp continues >>65030988No, we're just done.
>>65030990>He had a DUI but it countsKeep seething >>65030995Who's we? IDF? lol
>>65030967Yeah, but not too fickle and weak willed to stare down the big bad USA over Greenland, huh? Must burn you up, to know that Trump cucked out when Europe made it clear it really would fight for Greenland and literally EVERYONE sent detachments of special forces and other troops.
>>65030926>Trump admin has barely shuffled the deck.the count is at five fired four-star generals. which other president is anywhere near that?
>>65030995>No, we're just done.I wish you would be, instead you're still here bitching and moaning and begging for help and passive aggressively trying to shame us into doing what you want. Just like a woman now I think about it. Ironic that.
>>65031005>>65031003based
>>65028604Iranian Guard are so dumb they play musical chairs with an extra chair and no music!
>>65030974meanwhile now: violate airspace rules but some celebrity salutes you. no punishment.
>>65031000>look how tough we'll posture when we know there's literally zero chance whatsoever anything will happen!I really hope this is some kind of false flag d&c larp and Europeans aren't actually this fucking gay.
>>65031021Funniest part is that unit is being dismantled anyway.>we won't discipline you >but you are still firedhttps://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2025/09/19/army-to-cut-6500-active-duty-aviation-jobs-over-next-2-years/
>>65031025I knew this was coming. Bitchtits, they took fresh blood out of storage and sent it to Greenland. That is 100% always a combat indicator. You NEVER do that for exercises, because it doesn't last and nobody ever has enough.
>>65031043NTA, I was honestly impressed by Europe's willingness to throw down and honor Article 42. Seeing they know NATO doesn't mean shit now I guess they had to prove the EU isn't a fake alliance.
How did this thread hit gorillion replies?
>>65031055magafags baiting euros and non-magas, who want to vent despite it being off topic
>>65031055dedicated /pol/ containment thread
>>65031055I told these punks that Iran's strategy was already countered and they flipped out.
>>65029691>>65029743Do they actually know how to use email? I thought all their communications were written in crayon on construction paper
>>65031232That's obviously bullshit, they would starve if they had to use their crayons for writing.
>>65031232while i did once get only a 'rah' in email from one of them, they do have to enlist someone with enough rocks in their head to fix SOME of their computers. however, i assume my experience was not representative
>>65028706It's the one time I'd argue for more bureaucracy. Create a national office for grand strategy. Even if it's bad you can bet money it's better then boomer has beens crying about primacy and 54 different thinktanks coming up with conflicting and competing strategies.
>>65031300we already have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrinewhich is clausewitz for americans.didn't protect to get incompetent leaders elected.
>>65031312>Is a vital national security interest threatened?Yes, Israel told us so.>Do we have a clear attainable objective?Yes, unconditional surrender.>Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?No risk, and costs are just money. We'll print more.>Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?Yes, we already told them to stop doing everything they're doing.>Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?Yeah, we'll just get bored and fuck off eventually.>Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?The consequences are we'll win.>Is the action supported by the American people?I am the American people.>Do we have genuine broad international support?Who cares?We're good, send it.
>>65029568>>65029630What I don't get is the bullshit maneuvering politically. It's clear it's doing more harm than good. It fuels conspiracy theories and has everyone arguing about bullshit that is irrelevant. It also is what opens up propaganda counter narratives.Why not be like 75% honest and come out with a PowerPoint for a press conference:>hi, this is what we would like our relationship with Iran to be>this is how we think we can achieve that>if using military force, here's our Powell doctrine checklist>oh and we also admit when we fuck up and people face consequences for it90% of people will accept straight talk instead of bullshit. That's your consensus building mechanism right there.
>>65031322Works for me. Send in the Marine reserves. Drop 82nd on top of Tehran.
>>65031312I'm actually a fan of the doctrine. Powell himself and Iraq is some USDA choice irony there.The point is we have outsourced strategy to all these think tanks while in house military planning processes work. They aren't perfect and even if for example the air campaign is ineffective you can at least monitor that campaign and it's result and come to that conclusion.There isn't even a way to see if america even has a grand strategy or if any milestones are met along that strategy.
>>65031312>Create own rulebook>Violate the rulesWhats the fucking point then?
>>65031421>put out theory>perform a 1 trillion USD counterfactual test>theory vindicated
>>65031459Based
>>65031459Afghanistan costed 2 trillion
>No cunt benefits from long warsBut america has only grown wealthier and wealthier ever since the first forever war
>>65031582The GDP has grown because of stock speculation while wages have stagnated and consumer confidence have plummeted.The "nation" being wealthier when a man can't afford a house, stay at home wife and 4 kids from a factory job is a load of shit.
>>65031650Youre brown. Maybe get a job.
>>65031781GDP per capita has increased 2330% over the last 60 years while the cumulative rate of inflation has only been 937% so everyone is twice as rich as the boomers, right?
>>65030749a republican will never be overly popularbut there's a big difference between not being very popular and how Trump is seenyour bog standard republican is seen as a bit behind on the times perhaps a bit cruel and stupid for not "accepting that we do it better"but Trump is seen as a clear and present danger, a crazy narcissist with his finger on the nuclear button and not just by the leftTrump is less popular than Bush junior, Mitt Romney or even Sara Palin where t-yourofag that got me and my friends MAGA hats in 2016
>>65031896>yuroid opinioninto the TRASH
>>65031043Then it was a waste of scarce resources on top of being a useless gesture. You're just upset that nobody took your third-world tier flex of sending ten dudes each seriously.>>65031025Of course its performative. Whenever there's a real crisis somewhere in the world, europoors are nowhere to be seen.
>>65031896>on the nuclear buttonno such button exist, turdie
>>65032123>You're just upset that nobody took your third-world tier flex of sending ten dudes each seriously.apparently trump did because he cucked outas usual
>>65032359>you may have nuked us from orbit but now you will have to invade, which means you lose!>ok so you nuked us from orbit, didn't invade, but you still lose anyway>also i have a forcefieldIran bot
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>>65032359EU doesnt need NATO
>>65028769He was the only competent man Trump picked for the cabinet in the first term. Of course nobody listened to him.
>>65028526>His goal is the destruction of Iran's military capabilities, not the defeat of Iran's strategy."how is you shooting their balls off going to stop them from fucking everyone?"
>>65032527This was tried in Vietnam. This was tried in Afghanistan. Guess what happened.
Im starting to feel like the eglin shills are a bunch of noguns retards. Next they will tell me that I cant resist the government's tyranny because they have drones.
>>65030906>We took Iraq alone in 2003
>>65032571token force of 50k brits dont count
>>65032575You're missing the point of involving allies in Iraq. The UK and Poland's involvement meant the moral responsibility was shared. Because as you well know there weren't any WMDs anyway.The US could have easily taken Iraq alone, they could have also struck Iran alone without Israeli support. But if you get actual allies on-board then the moral responsibility is flattened out of existence between multiple states.
>>65032602Life isnt a story book, retard. Fuck off with your moral crap.
>>65032552the Mongols conquered this region without any issues, in fact, their conquest was enabled by the decentralization of the defenders, the same thing they're doing right now
>>65032680the mongols bombed the khwazmerian cucks into submission with f-35?
>>65032735>The Khwarezmian Shah Muhammad II dispersed his forces into individual city garrisons rather than meeting the Mongols in the field. This played into Mongol strengths: they could isolate cities one by one without facing a unified army.>Iran's "Mosaic Defense" is a decentralized military strategy designed to ensure continuity of command and sustained resistance against stronger opponents like the U.S. or Israel. By decentralizing authority to provincial IRGC and Basij units, Iran aims to prevent a "decapitation strike" from neutralizing its fighting capability, relying on attrition rather than centralized command.They learnt nothing
>>65032749Youre such a genius anon. Youre almost as smart as Dan Caine.
>>65032784don't you have confidence US can pull it off?
>>65032425I'm talking about Greenland you absolute bot.
>>65032656What is a nation but a story lots of people tell each other about themselves collectively? What are laws but a book of fables everybody pretends are real because it makes life easier?
>>65032842The Greenland Force Field is just as real as the invasion it repelled!
>>65032892I've never seen Americans cope as hard as they have over the past few months.
>>65032919If it wasn't for that damn American-Repelling Rock, Greenland would have been ours!
The cause of this war is South Korea. South Korea is famous for Samsung and K-pop. Because South Korea smuggled strategic materials to Iran, Iran was able to arm itself with weapons of mass destruction. South Korean Firms Violate International Controls on Shipping Materials for WMDs to Iran and Syriahttps://japan-forward.com/south-korean-firms-violate-international-controls-on-shipping-materials-for-wmds-to-iran-and-syria/S. Korea should clearly explain fire-control radar incidenthttps://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181228/p2a/00m/0na/017000c
>>65032919the past few months of flexing America's hold over the world>take over oil tankers>arrest Maduro>bomb Iran with astounding success
>>65031896Anon if you're for real you're a king. Don't listen to these shills. I remember being hopeful back in 2016 too. When MAGA meant populism and being against globohomo.
>>65030906Do you realize how retarded you are? Because you're so retarded you need an award for itLevel 1 retarded:>not knowing it was a coalition that took IraqLevel 2 retarded:>not realizing that the more allies you have that actually fight with you, the less money and blood do *you* have to expendLevel 3 retarded>thinks Iraq was a stunning success when it only cost money and created more enemies
>>65030906All US logistics relied on bases in Europe, almost all seriously injured casualties were flown to Europe for surgery before moving 'em back to US. Boomer neocons actually managed to convince some Yuropoors to join your retarded war in Iraq. None of yuropoors that skipped the war closed their airspace for US airlift operations.
