Would P90s and MP5s really melt through armor like it does in my kinos?
>>65029956isn't blue tip 5.7 meant to chew through armor? probably not the mp5
>>65029956P90 absolutely, MP5 not at all.
soft armor and maybe steel L3 armor, sure but no one of consequence wears that shit.
>>65029967black tip SS190. It only gets you through IIIA soft armor and out of a long barrel (PS90) very weak polyethylene plates like the RMA 1003.>>65030031SS190 is like weak M855, which is a poor performer against Level III steel.
>>65029956It has less speed than 556 nato
>>65029956What do the Jaffa make their armor out of? Could be the equivalent of a baking sheet and any bullet would punch through them.
>>65031386tactically the Goa'uld and Jaffa are pretty fucking stupid so it might be purely decorative
>>65031386>What do the Jaffa make their armor out of?Closed cell foam.
>>65031386>>65031391Nobody we see in Stargate really uses ballistic weapons like SGC does, odds are that even if the armor isn't complete shit it's not really designed to protect against bullets.
>>65031410Exactly. Aluminum and copper both conduct energy quite well, but they aren't exactly amazing in the role of stopping projectiles even when alloyed especially for it or in thicker plates
No but mag dumping at high fire rate guarantees you hit the face
>>65029956The P90 is a direct blowback bolt that begins to move right after the bullet leaves the case and the round is a tiny capacity bottleneck with a .22 bullet.That means you're hard locked to trying to do the best you can with the equivalent of a really weak 5.56x45 load.So yeah, going through 3A soft armor is really the most you should expect.Ironicalli enough with an MP5 converted to the meme 6.5 CBJ round you're probably gonna gave more success going through hard armor.
>>65030031No pistol rounds get through level III steel plates, though it's possible to design one. >>65029967Most solid copper 5.7 rounds will punch through IIIA kevlar though. The "blue tips" you see on youtube are hollow points actually worse at penetrating.9mm can be made to penetrate IIIA kevlar, Fort Scott TUIs do it out of pistols, and that's just a copper spear point, an actual tungsten cored round would be theoretically better.>>65030410There's a stupid scene in SG1 where they say the 5.7 has better armor penetration than the 5.56 out of a 20 inch barrel, when 5.7 AP is in reality inferior to 5.56 lead core.
>>65031410Staff weapons instakill Jaffa too and it doesn't even protect against zats
They better cancel the Amazon slop they just announced. I'd rather sg1 leave off the way it did(bad as it was)than let them drag it's corpse though the dirt.
>>65029967>blue tipGreen tip is AP, no?
>>65032211they retconned the armor actually doing anything against bullets almost immediatelyjaffa make storm troopers look elite
>>65032211I love how this is just a massive plot hole when you realize they shouldn't be able to dial Chulak and escape lmao. The Earth gate has no DHD and the dialing computers were offline because the Stargate program was in mothballs.Based on established in-universe lore/science, Apophis should have been killed/captured literally in the first 15 minutes of the series kek
>>65033551They may have had someone on the other side dial again after a few minutes to make sure their boss is OKThe bigger plot hole is 5.56 bouncing off snake guard armor and 9mm smoking them dead
>>65032256That's 5.56 M855
no but this would
>>65033626>They may have had someone on the other side dial again after a few minutes to make sure their boss is OKwormholes are one way for transit though (only two way for radio broadcasts)though that may have been retconned at the start as well now that i think about it
>>65032256the color of the tip doesn't equate to armor penetration, most 7.62x51 SLAP rounds are black tipped
>>65033551I suspect a lot of it was written before they'd nailed down the show bible and lore. And it's an easy enough fix, you just give Apophis some super rare emergency redial device meant as a safety for the risk of finding out that a gate doesn't have a DHD, but it burnt out from the use and you never run into them again shush.
>>65033701they've dialed out without DHDs and with improvised power sources before so it doesn't end up being that much of an asspull in the grand scheme of things
>>65033515>they retconned the armor actually doing anything against bullets almost immediately>>65033551>Based on established in-universe lore/science, Apophis should have been killed/captured literally in the first 15 minutes of the series kekThey changed a lot of things by about three episodes in.Some of the lore developed as the writers needed an arse-pull for one reason or another (gate timelimit, being able to dial buried gates if there is *just* enough gap, freaking time travel, all sorts of things).It only took a few episodes before everyone spoke English everywhere.
>>65033710>they've dialed out without DHDs and with improvised power sources before so it doesn't end up being that much of an asspull in the grand scheme of thingsIt would be quite reasonable for goa'uld to know how to do that too and clearly their technology has its own power sources so the hand device can probably power a gate and he can have the serpent guards spin the wheel.
>>65033679>the color of the tip doesn't equate to armor penetrationBullshit, next you'll tell me the red tips aren't faster by default.
>>65033653>gun fits through the gate but is so heavy no platform capable of carrying it can make it throughsada UAV with a miniature version brrting jaffa would be have been cool
>>65033672>wormholes are one way for transit thoughOh. Shows what my dumbass knows. But thanks now I know lol
>>65033783well there's no scientific reason why they would be one way, it's just for plot reasons (without spoiling too much you can prevent someone from dialing out by dialing in)i guess it fits the telephone metaphor
>>65033778An Abrams or Bradley would fit through the gate.. Why not a new GAU-8 tank?
>>65033783>>65033791I don't think it's really a spoiler to say that in the show it's not really the wormhole acting as the means of transit so much as the connection between the two gates. So there's a lot of rules and peculiarities that have more to do with the technology and how it's intended to be used than the rules of the wormhole itself.
