That China is well out of reach of the current US military capabilities.
Post alive J-20 designer. Oh, wait, you can't.
>>65032523You can tell they're an effective military force because they can stand in a line in a way that looks good for the photographs. No military force that publishes photographs of themselves looking cool has ever proven to be less effective in reality, especially after fifty years of no actual experience.
>>65032523True, but USA is also completely out of reach for china
>>65032523IMPEASSIVE
>>65032550There's actually no incentive for China to attack the US, because the Wall Street money Jews already looted the US industrial base and sent it all to China...
>chinkshill back at it again
I will admit it only when Taiwan is conquered.
>>65032523Remember when the US erased the Iranian military in a matter of days? The exact same thing would happen to China.>But the strait...Just proves that area denial is easy. China will never get their piers across the Strait of Taiwan.
>>65032523i think the main thing i'm sure of looking at this conflict is that the idea that china can cross the strait even with a much weaker opponent standing alone on the other side is pretty clearly ridiculous now. amphibious operations would get cucked harder than shipping is with this sort of shit.
>>65032523China couldn't annex the US and the US couldn't annex China.The only likely conflict is China invading Taiwan, the US continues their 80 year run of avoiding war with nuclear powers and arms Taiwan as a proxy force.From here it comes down the US political will, if they will give Taiwan a half dozen carrier groups Taiwan stands a chance, if not Taiwan is done.>inb4 chest thumping
>>65032660The strait is closed because the US fears hundreds of dead sailors on the news, do you think the chinks will have the same concerns?
>>65032758By all means try meatwaves like Russia
>>65032758Yes. Chinese citizens shockingly won’t put up with as much as Russians in a highly public war.
>>65032763I haven't been to China but my understanding is their media and internet is fully state censored.
>>65032660Can't imagine the level of carnage that is now possible with the advent if cheap, mass spammable PGMs like drones. That said unlike what chink propaganda likes to spam about storming the beaches, a prolonged naval siege to starve the island out is a realistic threat.>inb4 but usaUS in its current form won't lift a finger for Taiwan. All Beijing has to do is buy enough trump coins to stop any military action. Taiwanese will have to form tight defence cooperation with others who have skin on the line in the region. Korea and Japan
>>65032523actually china is well within Tomahawk and JASSM reach
>>65032523It's true, according to all sources, the People's Republic of China is strong. The nation is united, the military unmatched, the economy vibrant, and the people ever joyful. In fact China has always been triumphant, the government fair, all-knowing, and wise, propelled by the strength of two billion loyal hands, all pulling together as one under the Great Celestial Bureaucracy high above. Furthermore, the brute and inexpressive English language cannot convey the full magnificence of China, its excellence in every arena, the protective warmth of the red sun that shines forever on its borders driven forward by the Mandate of Heaven.
>>65032770>US in its current form won't lift a finger for Taiwani agree, this is why west Taiwan blocaded Taiwan yesterday when US is tied up in the red sea and is politically unstable, the best moment to do so before their population collapses and US stabilizes again.
>>65032770I highly encourage Chinese military planning to rely on retarded shitlib memes.
>>65032788With what we have seen from Trump 2 China should probably wait another year just to make sure the US has no allies at all.
>>65032844Implessive
>>65032848If you don't believe me look up what Trump is saying.
>>65032851Most implessive
>>65032769There's a good reason for that: they are an extremely contentious sort. Did you forget that Chinese history is "and then the people rebelled and millions died" repeated over and over again? The CCP nearly shit themselves to death last year over protests about interest rates on homes. If China went to war and it was anything except a clean sweep, there would be massive riots in the streets.
>>65032523>Trump did more damage to NATO and US global reputation in one month than Russia and China in four years MAGA are bigger niggers than ziggers.
Waiter the chinkshill cope in this thread is reheated and 6+ months old
>>65032867 NATO is shit.
>>65032870>Trump begging China to help him with Iran after spending a whole year mocking NATO and threatening to annex Greenland >threatening to leave NATO over the alliance's not helping Israel enough Yes. It’s China that is coping.
>>65032864My point is with tight media control how the fuck would the people know?I don't know how their military works but in ours sailors are off doing sailor shit for 6 months and no one would know they were dead until they were meant to be home if the media didn't cover it.
>>65032625>Remember when the US erased the Iranian military in a matter of days?Hi Pete Hegseth, how's that Strait doin?Don't forget to make those alimony payments.
>>65032893Don't be mean, that could drive a man to drink.
>>65032884>Muh Greenrand destroy NATO!Cope
>>65032893So youre admiting that China is cucked and cant take Taiwan.
LOL china taking Taiwan that is a good joke.
>>65032785Hell fuckin' yeah!
>>65032758yes actually. contrary to the memes, chinese social media is too vast and unwieldy to actually crack down on fully, but it's better to propagandize it as a big brother-esque system that can end your life in an instant when you say something poor about Xi to the outside world. for the most part, i'd rank it closer to modern germany than the USSR of old. you also have to consider that the 'amphibious landing' plan is to basically use it's merchant mariners as cannon fodder, and civilians tend to have cell phones.>>65032770a prolonged naval siege would unfortunately fuck themselves just as hard as it would fuck the world. once the assurances fail to calm global markets, everything would crash, and the yuan would only hold it's value on 'official' exchange markets, like so many collapsing currencies we've seen as of late, and people would instead be valuing it to some other intermediary, gold or oil probably. it'd be a murder-suicide
>>65032893Exactly. Look at what a couple of ragheads with RC boats are doing in Hormuz and imagine what it would be like with ATACMS in the Strait of Taiwan.
>>65032523American forces gained valuable experience sinking all those Iranian ships, and while the Chinese navy is better, the live target practice has been valuable.
>>65032950havent you guys crashed two tanker planes into each other lately
>>65033318>while the Chinese navy is betterHow can the Chinese navy be better when they have no missile defenses and only a tiny handful of fourth gen fighters?
>>65032523It's been like this from the day it developed its first nuke
>>65033294To be fair, the USA has a major aversion to losses of equipment and personnel. I don't think China would care that much if the ultimate goal is achieved. Much like Russia doesn't care they're nearing (or surpassed, I haven't checked) 2 million already and thousands of tanks and vehicles.
>>65032604>looted the cheap plastic crap industry Yep, the F35 is made in China, as is the Abrams, Patriot, Bradley, and every AR15.
>>65032851post the map of global US military bases
>>65033416Russia is only making marginal gains through the meat grinder because they're fighting a poverty stricken nation being drip fed 1970s equipment. They would have folded faster than Iran if it was the actual war against NATO they've been pretending it is. Likewise for China, no amount of losses could gain them access to Taiwan in a war against the US and Japan.
>>65033437I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that certain states have an aversion to loss (Mostly Western states) and other states have no aversion to loss as long as they can make the Wikipedia article go "Victory: Us! We Number Won!". Putin would sacrifice every single person in every single oblast (bar the key ones) if it meant that the Ukraine War wiki says>Result: Russian Victory, See Treaty of Budapest
>>65033425plastic crap like half the world's steel, 70% of global shipbuilding, 40% of chemical sales, 70% of smartphones, 50% of industrial robots, 85% of li-ion batteries, 90% of rare earths refiningyou'd have to be retarded not to consider this a problem
>>65032788I don't think the best time to launch a globally unpopular invasion is when you're cut off from your fuel supply, it's just been revealed that your stealth aircraft aren't stealth and your anti-stealth radar can't see stealth, you just purged the leadership of both your military and defense industry, and you're right next to two powerful enemies who have just had their advanced weapons proven effective in battle while all of your own equipment is either ineffective or unknown.
>>65033453>globally unpopular invasion which is why they don't do it and instead push for "peaceful reunion" which unironically is at an all time high ever since the current president of taiwan kinda justified japanese massacres.anyways the only people in the world that would really cut ties with china over it would be the us and northwestern europe.
>>65033476Its still massively unpopular over status quo
>>65033476>anyways the only people in the world that would really cut ties with china over it would be the us and northwestern europe.And Japan and South Korea and Australia. At least China would be able to rely on Russia and Iran for assistance, right?
>>65033481Japan has barely any ability to defend itself, South Korea will have to deal with North Korea and Australia lost a war to emus so none of them matter.
>>65033487Meme answer gets meme response: 3 gorges dam suicide run
>>65033487>Japan has barely any ability to defend itselfIf you ignore the fact that they have the second most powerful navy (after the US) and fourth most powerful air force (after the US, US, and US) in the world, sure.
>>65033425>looted the cheap plastic crap industryLooted the literally everything you used to make industry besides cars (which is the only protected industry in the US, strangely).Millions of high paying, stable, factory jobs with unions and benefits that allowed your Boomer parents to have a house and raise kids on a single income, have been destroyed, so now your generation has to fight for scraps in the "gig economy" competing with millions of pajeets brought here to suppress wages. Or you can whore on OnlyFans.
>>65033506Same thing in China and they have industry but the wages are total shit.
>>65033476I love that the political org pushing for that in Taiwan is Chiang Kai-shek's own party. It's own party charter is explicitly anti-communist, but the party is increasingly pushing reconciliation.
>>65033491Ask him to post those ancient maps too. He won't.
>>65033492Japan has a current active inventory of 154 ships vs 1036 ships including 3 aircraft carriers.Japan has 330 fighter jets, 80% outdated F-15s while China has nearly 2000 fighters. BTW India has a stronger air force than Japan.Japan is NOT winning a war with China weeaboo kun.
>>65033537Why are you focusing on Japan alone like a war with China would only be those two?
>>65033537>1036 boats including 3 dysfunctional aircraft carrier prototypes.fixed that for you>80% outdated F-15swest Taiwan still can't make a plane that matches the performance of those outdated F-15s>BTW India has a stronger air force than Japan.lol
>>65033541You seriously think the US would ever attack another nuclear power?
>>65033559You seriously think China would attack someone who has a nuclear superpower's military assets in it?
Yeah, China, sure...
LOL china's navy.
>>65033562Unironically yes.
>>65033528Cute, would fug and get her addicted to my BWC, thus exponentially increasing the amount of online Chang seethe when her brother finds out.
>>65033572Then youre facing the US
>>65033576Unironically no. First thing the US will do is rugpull Japan and take even the concrete slabs like they did with that base near the Polish-Ukrainian border or South Korea's THAADs.
>>65033581Good, believe that.
>>65033581>even the concrete slabs like they did with that baseQRD?
How funny would it be if Vietnam invaded china after they started trying to invade Taiwan. That would be perfect revenge for china trying to invade Vietnam twice.
>>65033590The US literally took everything, including the concrete slabs from the Rzeszow base.
>>65033581Lol the shills are eating their own excrement propaganda now, just like ziggers.
>>65033537>154 warships vs 1000 defenseless barges>the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world vs some ancient slavshit and a handful of what *might* turn out to be a competent fourth genIt would be over in hours.
>>65033581You mean America's THAADs. Which aren't needed in South Korea right now.
Japan's helicopter destroyer is better than chinas aircraft carriers.
>the crapanese declare war to China over something that's not their business >crapan immediately becomes an underwater archipelagoWhat a wonderful scenario
>>65033655Implessive
>>65033659It is
>>65033655>China nukes Japan>The US nukes China>China tries to nuke the US>China realizes that their subs are useless, their silos are too far from the American mainland, and their bombers aren't even safe within their own airspace>The US shoots down the handful of nukes China manages to to launch at them>Maybe a city or two gets hit, everyone is sad>Meanwhile, the entirety of China is an uninhabitable wasteland straight out of Mad Max
>65033674>meanwhile shahsneeds mog mutt early warning systems unopposed this board has the funniest gweilos
>>65033512>Same thing in China and they have industry but the wages are total shit.Nope.They created a prosperous middle class for hundreds of millions of people.They enjoy a much higher purchasing power and because most of their shit is domestically made, their relatively small earnings buy them a lot more than your dollars do goods you have to import from all over the world.
>>65033695In all fairness an Early Warning system such as THAAD isn't meant to look out for small drones. That's what PADS is for.
>>65033695>chinkmutt talks shit about early warning systems>when his knockoff soviet SAMs and radars had been impotent against USAF, twice in recent times
>>65033655>not mentioned: Taiwan hits the dam and the remainder of west Taiwan collapses into a civil war with millions of ghouls haunting the concrete ruins and the lifeless, strip mined deserts
>>65033698>They created a prosperous middle classuhh, in what way is half the value of a US homeless man's foodstamps prosperous or middle class again?
>meanwhile gaytriot is being mogged by russia and iran>paper dome is being mogged by iran most embarrassing reflection
>>65033737>if you get freely bombed by your enemies, you mog>t. gook doing nothing forced meme face
>>65033698Which is why they need nets around their factories to keep the workers from killing themselves.
>>65033388Scale and funding, if nothing else.
>>65033753There won't be anything left to fund after they're all sunk by NSMs and MSTs and LRASMs. A navy without missile defenses is just an artificial reef.
>65033747>meanwhile fart-35 was shot down ("crashed" lol)>fart-18s were shot down>fart-15s were shot down>tankers were shot down>all of these without counting "friendly fire incidents">mutt bases have been flattened>mutt ad has been destroyed>Hormuz is firmly close for everyone except Chinese vessels>by an enemy with no air forcemost embarrassing for "the most competent military on earth"
oh yes i forgot>aircraft carrier so severely damaged by a "laundry room fire" it had to be emergency retired from the fight>israel pounded so hard it officially withdrew from the war "but will assist from the air"what a wonderful chain of events
>>65033790>>israel pounded so hard it officially withdrew from the war "but will assist from the air"Lol, I must have missed that statement. Got some sauce?
>30 minutes special regime change operation btw
>>65033814pissrael's Channel 12>"Israeli forces will not take part in any US ground operation in Iran">“Israeli soldiers will not be participating on the ground”, indicating that Israel would leave any such operation to US forces alone but will assist them from the air."This is unequivocally a surrender
>>65033818>mask comes offYou guys are pathetic
>>65033839>we start this but you finish it goyimLol, actually lmao. My president is beyond retarded but closing airspace to americans and banning them from using their bases to hit Iran was a great move.
>couldn't even leave the factory runway
>>65033839I know English is difficult for you, but continuing to bomb Iran with impunity is not withdrawing or surrendering.
>>65033564broke>china and russia are paper tigerswoke>america is a paper tigerbespoke>they're all paper tigers
>65033872>impunity>meanwhile mossad's hq, sole nuclear research center, half of tel aviv, haifa and ashdod among many others are parking lots
>>65033886Did Iran or China hit the WTC? Why even post that?
looks like the mutt can't argue anymore and has reduced himself to vague seethepostingi rest my case
Why argue about china the sick men of asia.
>>65033898To thirdies, all attacks on the US are to the credit of all other thirdies.
>>65033960holy based, I wish american politicians had the balls to just run over shithead protesters with tanks
>>65033960crazy basedcolor revolutions must be annihilated
>>65032844>>65032851extremely implessive, the filth of nippon will also learn their place for consorting with the americans
>>65033294what boats, they all got blown to smithereens
>>65034048Why don't you live in China? Why do none of you /leftypol/ retards live in the dictatorships you shill (for free) for?
>>65034109He still needs to shill for another 6 years to save up enough to move away from India.
>>65034153>to move away from IndiaI would have thought that China is the last country an Indian would shill for
>>65032523
china haters are strange beings
>>65032785>the red sun that shines forever on its borders driven forward by the Mandate of HeavenIs Japanese occupation back on the menu?
