what do we think of the recent uptick in drone on drone violence?
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someday soon we won't even need soldiers for war. it'll just be civilians and murderbots
>>65036340>Ukainian drone shotguns russian kamikaze droneSo these are the test platforms for future AI-driven drones, right?Interceptors with proper AI in them might be too expensive to use as suicide-vehicles, so giving them a shotgun is an obvious solution.
I dreamed of a violent FPV drone-on-drone sport like this as a kid. I'm pretty sure in my dreams they were shaped like interwar biplanes though.
>>65036340when do we get a wee autonomous drone with a glock just capping motherfuckers?
>>65036483why not offload the AI and its processing power to some sort of a station, maybe even a flying mother-drone, and have it control smaller shittier drones that send their footage+sensor data to their mommy and she tells them how to most efficiently form a murder-suicide pact with a target?
>>65036340The town below looks worse than Dresden in 1945
>>650363842A says civilians should have free access to their own murderbots to prevent and/or counter tyrannical government murderbots.
>>65036532It could be jammed, specifically targeted, and it's not as wonderful as autonomous air-superiority drones.
>>65036543Donor class says you are an Antifa terrorist.Whatcha gonna do about it =)
>>65036498As a kid I had this vision of a post-WWI world where a traumatized Europe rejects the concept of outright warfare against one another again, instead going to organized competitive dogfights to resolve national conflicts. In my mind you'd sit at a cafe somewhere in Paris, sipping your coffee and watching with mild interest as French and German fighters tangle above the Effiel Tower. The victors would take a victory lap around the city to polite applause, colorful smoke of their nations flag streaming from their underbelly.And then a couple weeks ago I saw a cell phone video of a Shahed overfly a UAE restaurant, followed a few seconds later by a distant BRRRRT-BOOM, and the restaurant broke out in laughter and cheers. eh, close enough
>>65036340eh, it's cool i guess but it's not beating the time when ukies straped a granade launcher to a drone and bombed ziggers to bits.
Soon...
>>65036384funbots you mean, imagine bringing back 2000s lan parties or even early 90s shared keyboard gaming sessions but youre with friends doing fly-bys at russians in moscow or st pidorsburg
>>65036340We are one step closer to scale model prop fighters hunting scale model kamikaze aircraft with 4k guncams. I can't wait. The only thing that would make my inner autist happier is the announcement that they're returning high speed steam engines to passenger service.
>>65036589ACHILLES!!!!
>>65036483>proper AI in them might be too expensiveBruh, basic bitch AI can run on a $250 SBC
>>65036669That's half the price of an FPV drone already.
>>65036340how much longer until these are used on ziggers directly?
>>65036678Fast interceptor drone like Sting costs $2500 though
>>65036698Which are used to target more expensive targets like Shaheds primarily, rather than keeping the airspace around grunts' heads clear.
>>65036384Soon
>>65036709Now imagine making interceptor reusable...
>>65036678A more expensive FPV is okay if it doesn't require a pilot, simple as
>>65036719>2030s US politics is just about what rubber skin tones we put on our murder bots and what ratio should have tits.
>>65036483using ai with a shitty ass camera is a no no
>>65036746Not really
>>65036746>with a shitty ass camera is a no no>year 2026>shitty ass camerasDid you check modern smartphones cameras anon?
>>65036535Was thinking the same thing, what the fucks going on
>>65036340The Russian water heater drone has the advantage of no moving parts while the Ukrainian shotgun requires no heavy power source and can act without making contact.Will there be a Silly String drone next?I'd go with the shotgun. As it fires and ejects cartridges the overall weight of the unit is reduced.The Russian one is cooler though, death by electrode injection is funnier.
>>65036543Your right is for you personally to bear arms and not to fly a demon bat. That is under the auspices of the FAA.
>>65036535>>65036812That destruction would be Russia saving fellow Slavs from the Ukrainian Nazis. It is how you save people. Bomb every square meter of territory until no Nazis are left alive.
>>65036535>>65036812Brotherly Russian liberation of donkeks one pile of rubble at a time :^)(The people don't mind, they all died in meat waves 3 years ago.)
>>65036812that's the state of every population center along the front line since the start of the war. have you not been paying attention at all?
>>65036933The formerly richest region in the second-largest European country is now mostly leveled with ordnance and yet you have niggers confidently claiming the war is fake because they "haven't seen any footage from it" (sic).
>>65036498battlebots enthusiasts are jizzing in their pants right now
>>65037001I'm going to be so disappointed if Ukraine doesn't make competitive drone combat with live ammunition a national sport after the war is over
>>65036483You underestimate just how much hardware a decent onboard AI would require. It's a flat non-starter for any kind of small drone.
>>65037008>legitimately cool contraption that anyone on the board pre-war would be hyped for>unprompted passive aggressive seething
>>65036678a fiber fpv might have a reusable controller with AI installed in the command post.
>>65036384Good? No more human death?
>>65036812Russians happened to it. If they can't just walk in and take over immediately, they'll pound it with a WW1 level of artillery.
>>65036498>in my dreams they were shaped like interwar biplanes thoughThere's a short story, by William Gibson I think, that features a bar game where players use neural links to control holographic biplanes in a dogfight.
>>65038265Absolutely not. Human death is the prime currency by which success in war is gauged (followed by territorial control), if you no longer have infantry as a proxy for the civilian population then the new soft target is the civilian population.
>>65036535>The town below looks worse than Dresden in 1945Russia and Israel have similar ideas about urban warfare.
>>65036874>The Russian one is cooler though, death by electrode injection is funnier.That was just a lucky hit penetrating the battery.
>>65036340GTA:SA shit
>>65038288>human death>territorial controlNot even approaching the zip code of being correct. Destroying enemy ability to have enough power to interfere with your goals is always the winning objective, moron. A million sweaty sheep with nothing but stones and sand in their hands are no threat to a thousand cops with weapons. If you don't want the cops, then destroy their infrastructure and starve them. Dying of thirst isn't a winning strategy either. Combat body counts are a retarded way to measure war, dumbass.
>>65036384>from the producers of battle bots brings you>BATTLE FPVS!They'll probably use fish nets instead of actual guns to keep it safe though
>>65036340AIRHAMMER BROS WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK
>>65036772yes i have checked modern smartphone cameras you think ai drones will operate at 10-20 meters from the ground?at the altitude they gonna be in order to be able to do what they claim they gonna do they aint gonna use a smartphone camera they gonna need a pretty good telephoto lens to zoom in in order to identify who is what (cause the ai will only probably be able to identify movement IF its lucky)
>>65038821>(cause the ai will only probably be able to identify movement IF its lucky)What if you add two cameras and take advantage of parallax?
>>65038821My brown friend, AI tools easily work even with bullshit cheap webcams, which are even worse than cameras in smartphones
>>65038825you need a good optical zoom its the cheapest option>>65038848my african american when you learn what distance is maybe then we can talk
>>65036340Noice.
>>65038821>yes i have checked modern smartphone camerasYou didn't otherwise you would be aware smartphone camera is on par with human eye in resolution and every criticism you can master applies to deployment of th eyeball mk 1.>>65038821>they gonna need a pretty good telephoto lens to zoom in in order to identify who is whatIf we are talking in the context of OP post, interceptor drones they don't nessary need zoom to is. For ID they can come closer. Just like in OPs vid, where operator can ID target maybe at 50 meter range not more, but that ain't a prohibitive problem.
>>65038869>You didn't otherwise you would be aware smartphone camera is on par with human eye in resolutionname a single fucking smartphone camera that is even REMOTELY close to the human eye "resolution"ONE>For ID they can come closelets fly our fucking LOUD ASS DRONE closer this surely wont alarm anyone
>>65036384Simpson knew it as allways
>>65039039Simpsons * before somebody yells ESL ( even tough i am)
>>65038853>what is zoom>what is opticsBruh, some of cameras used on drones are literally analogue shit which gets fed into an analogue to digital converter, the quality is shit, and it's still enough to do object detection and classification
>>65038873Human eye "resolution" is considered as equivalent of 60-100 pixels per degres.Smartphones main cameras are around 85 degrees FOV.At 4K it's 40 pixels per degree At 8K it's 90.
>>65039155>i use chatgpt and i will show it nigga for a ccd to capture what the eye can see you need a gigapixel single ccd kind of shitor multi 300-400megapixels on panoramic view to try and mimic the eye
>>65036516I bet I could go in fusion 360 and model a 3D printable FPV drone frame with an integral 1022 receiver + 4" barrel liner pretty easy, and it'd actually fly and function reasonably well. Frankly I'm somewhat surprised it hasn't been done already.
>>65039211>nigga for a ccd to capture what the eye can see you need a gigapixel single ccd kind of shitYou need larger resolution to capture entire human FOV 180x160 degrees comparing to 85x50 degress of camera (7 times more area for an eye).But 8K resolution over limited 85x50 FOV is close to an eye.You can check it with practical tests. Like go to the parking lot and find distance where you can barley read car tag. Then film it with phone camera in 4K and 8K video. Then check if you can see tags in these videos.
>>65039271>go to the parking lot and find distance where you can barley read car tag. Then film it with phone camera in 4K and 8K video. Then check if you can see tags in these videos.Can confirm my smartphone can read them further out than my eye.>>65036746If a human being can use the footage from the camera passed through a shitty analog signal and still identify targets there is no reason an AI model taking the footage straight from the camera couldn't do the same.
>>65039347yeah here is the thing what you see vswhat you actually see are two totally different things we rely on pattern recognition to ident false vs true via understanding ai is famously shitty at doing this for obvious reasons there is literally no way for an ai to ident friend form foe just by looking at them
>>65036340is that a single shot per drone or did they make a custom feeding mechanism?
>>65039465Bro is still living in the 2010's.There is absolutely no reason an algorithm on a chip couldn't do pattern recognition better and faster than a lump of meat.
>>65039505nigga did you just pretend that i didnt wrote the rest or what?how is ai gonna tell who is a ukie and who is a ruskie on the battlefield?
>>65039604You give it location info of friendly units.The exact same as how human operators avoid friendly fire.
>>65039645yes humans understand friend or foebots cant unless they have an variant of iff on them as passive
>>65036603>90s shared keyboard gaming sessionsYou unlocked archived memories I forgot I had.
>>65039774Bots can be taught to recognize camo patterns, armbands etc.The exact same as how human operators avoid friendly fire.In fact a bot will be better than a human in this aspect as it can be coded to only make the decision to fire when it is absolutely sure that it is not friendly, unlike humans who perform badly under stress and time constraints.
>>65036340Russia now has to spend $60,000 each on a 200kg jet engine from aliexpress to make a drone called the Gerat 5 which uses like 95% chinese sourced parts and chips that were sourced from the USA and diverted to illegal exports.
>>65037029>drone combat with live ammunitionThat would be pretty boring desu
>>65038328>interfere with your goals is always the winning objectiveAnd when you can't, the generals, politicians, and otherwise invested parties cope by seething at the kill count.
>>65036340>war is now turning into drone vs drone>year 100 of the Russo/Ukranian war, The mega drone "borisinator" piloted by 20 year old Russian csgo player was cut in half by a Ukranian katana-drone piloted by 21 year old csgo player
>>65038288This. Drone will revert war back to the ancient ways>two sides fights>one side gets tired and runs/gets slaughtered>winning army slaughters local populace
>>65036812>>65036535it's a good thing because you can rebuild the cities without the disgusting commieblocks
>>65036340Are we in the cyberpunk yet?!>>65036384>inb4 soulLESS manhack swarms
>>65036535This is what "liberation" looks like. And the Russians wonder why Ukrainians are fighting back!
>>65036340This seems familiar. I think the vid is from 2 years back.
>>65039818you just lack imagination. without the PG restrictions of battlebots reducing the meta to fucking flippers drone combat is going to evolve fast.
>>65036719More like:>soon
>>65038340Remember when that guy tried to make a gun for Battlebots and it had to be banned? I can't remember the rules, but it was like an air pressure gun or something and it was blocked afterwards. It's like how Robot Wars allowed that guy to cheat by building a 'cage' around the robot so you couldn't actually hit the robot or push it into pits and won battles simply by judges going 'well they did more damage to the other guy' who didn't h ave a cage. Big rigging but within the rules.Point being, there is health and safety type shit in all these things.
>>65038286"Dogfight", it's in Gibson's short story collection Burning Chrome.
>>65036340So the drone operator is just playing a live video game?
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>>65039806>Bots can be taught to recognize camo patterns, armbands etc.yeah this isnt the case here tho
