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>>65038633>>65037957The VCTP was arguably a better IFV using the Marder platform. It's just a shame the version with the Milan-II never reached mass production. The Marder not being able to fire it's ATGM while the gunner was in the hull was also retarded.
>>65037952>I want six hot rounds into your platoon leaders tank, now!I've always wondered why HESH has fallen out of favor with other nations when it really seems like an insanely useful round to have? When I see the ammo on modern tanks its like the people designing them think tanks only engage other tanks?
>>65039854>I tread nothing for I have become tread incarnate!
>>65037952Centurion LP
>>65039829Turks know how to kino
>>65041877checked, more info?
>>65041988Looks like the Teledyne Expeditionary tank?
>>65041988Centurion hull with a Teledyne low-profile turret, most likely from around the mid-late 1980s.
>>65042535ty
>>65042535>Teledyne put their shit on more tanksI always wondering why that concept never took off?
>>65046108>starshipnice, more?
>>65038992That's partially true. The TAM and VCTP were more efficient to manufacture while offering pretty much the same performance as the Marder but subsequent Marder upgrades have provided more uparmoring and powertrain modernizations. The Milan-II armed VCTP was a dead horse as soon as the Falklands happened. In the 90s there was a proposal to sell a variant to Peru and Mexico with a 30mm gun and an ATGM and much more armor. It integrated tech from the Kuka turret prototype and the cancelled Marder 2. They would have been built in Argentina by Tamse then mated with an uprated Mercedes engine and the new turret in Mexico oj the old HWK-11 lines which were themselves a reduced weight Mexico specific Marder family vehicle.The TAMSE plant in Argentina is still maintained on a long mothball status and Mexico has a huge industry building German vehicles so some sort of Marder upgrades could still happen there but it's more likely yhat those will become secondary Lynx or Boxer assembly sites.
>>65048007>In the 90s there was a proposal to sell a variant to Peru and Mexico with a 30mm gun and an ATGM and much more armor. It integrated tech from the Kuka turret prototypeThe Marder 30 was pretty cool
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>>65037952Is there a future for tanks? They are expensive, take a long time to produce, can only travel on land, requires 3-4 crew,Anti-tank weapons are getting better and are pretty easy and cheap to mass produce. Easy to use too. Even drones are getting good at taking out tanks.
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>>65049572Yes, there's a reason Ukraine and Russia are both building more as fast as they can despite knowing more about anti tank weapons and drones than you do.
>>65048861That’s the gayest camo possible for abrooms
>>65048841sexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexsexthat broad can fuck of tho
>>65045656Not linking them all but these were pretty neat. Thanks for sharing.>>65049572>can only travel on landVickers Armstrong would like to know your location!
>>65039282it sometimes performs poorly against spaced armor from my understanding, and it works best in rifled barrels, in which sabot has problems.
So during the 30s and 40s is there any good reason the bongs didn't issue HE shells for their tanks for a good part of this time period? Was it a mix of budget and doctrine or were things like 40mm/57mm HE just fairly useless from their 2lber and 6lber guns? Also was the use of solid shot instead of APHE really a big disadvantage? Did it offer any advantages over APHE or is it just ease of manufacturing?
>>65051523https://files.catbox.moe/p4zz62.zip
>>65051919Mix of things and I am not going to pretend to understand them all. APHE though was unreliable as hell hence the move to solid shot.
>>65041877I really like those lower profile turrets with the crew sitting low. I'm sure there were reasons they didn't work out, like restricted visibility and loading being difficult.
>>65051839UGLY
>>65051839cute!
>>65049572Obsolescence is achieved when something does the same role but better, not when X destroys Y efficiently. Machine guns did not eliminate cavalry, torpedoes did not eliminate battleships.
>>65039282like other anon said: HESH needs spin for peak performance and it's only really useful against solid armor and structures. Most nations decided it was better to get the maximum performance out of APFSD shells and just use HE/HEAT against structures and soft targets.
Even with solid shots, if they penetrated tank armor, red-hot fragments would often scatter inside the tank, or the shots, still retaining their energy, would bounce around.Germany apparently increased the lethality and ignition effect by adding explosives to AP shells, but the amount of explosives in a 7.5 cm KwK AP shell was less than 20 grams.
>>65042593No problem, sorry for the late response I got a 72-hour ban.
>>65054547Looks like it's some guy with a bad hungover lazily getting up from bed.
>>65054392MBT 70 project was cool but in hindsight it was clear why it was never getting adopted. Far too ambitious.
>>65054392>>65058358It was exceedingly awesome. Perhaps too ambitious for the MIC of that time (that has gotten worse since).
Don't suppose any anons have a definitive source that might answer what exactly were the Aussie Matilda II's issued with when it came to armament and ammo? I have heard three conflicting statements in recent years.One is they were mainly armed with the 2pdr but were given specifically manufactured HE rounds for them.Other is they given a lot of 2pdrs but they used BOFORs shells to make their homemade HE rounds for them.Last and the one I more leaning towards based on photographic evidence I have seen, they made heavy use of the 3 inch howitzer on the Matilda II which explains their heavy use of HE rounds.
>>65054377high kino webms, thanks anon
>>65054377Made me wonder if this inspired the tank movements in this cutscene?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC18J9qnGsc
>>65054829(I know that feel anon)
>>65060161I always pictured that if tanks were to wear underwear this would wear a thong.
>>65060694Actual square ass
Was there any real reason for the Panthers angled rear? Or was it just so it looked cool?
>>65060769you mean the backplate behind engine?Tiger II also had similar hull form
>>65054829>No problem, sorry for the late response I got a 72-hour ban.Norktard is mass reporting people for calling out his piss drinking fetish in armor threads
Ukrainian T-80BV
Boys, I think you're ready to see this: THE UKRAINIAN LEOPARD 1A5
Kiwi heavy armour
Our favorite “Kontakt-1”
>>65061458What's the cost per square meter?
Rear.
>>65061450Assault Shrubbery?
I like the T80U. Idk why they couldn't make new ones.
>>65061455awesome loadout, I want an M41 and Scorpion for my garage
>>65063929Scorpion can be surprisingly practical depending on where you live as a mode of transport.
>>65063843Am I the only one that likes America's interwar "combat cars"? I don't know why, there's just something aesthetically pleasing about them.
>>65064163they morphed into the light tank series
>>65064216Yeah, I like those, too. More than the mediums for some reason, even though they share similar design cues.
>>65064216Wait a second what is that up front?
>>65064275Early yank tanks had fixed hull MGs. The Lee/Grant had two on the left lower hull.
>>65064275>>65064339Also, the early T-54s had a single fixed hull MG for some deranged reason.
Unlike the intermittent firing of the main guns, the indiscriminate firing of machine guns may have been more effective in intimidating the infantry.The hull ball mount required a large hole to be cut into the frontal armor, and the turret gun mount required the commander to lean out of the turret.
I used to laugh at shit like thisI'm sorry, mister Max.
>>65064339Suspect it might be I just didn't think it would have been on the M5? I thought they would have been removed by then but I guess not?>>65064341Don't suppose you have pics of that?>>65064506I don't recall Ukraine having a desert?
>There was a report that a Leopard 1 tank that we got here, not the 2A, the 1A, so older less tough version. Took 52 drone strikes and was able to be driven off by the crew.Breaking news from Ukraine.
Were french tanks any good before AMX-30 series?
>>65064696Was the Renault FT a joke to you or something?
>>65064696what main gun is that
>>6506518990mm SA47 on an oscillating turret.
>>65039282doesn't work without rifled barrelsnobody other than the bongs like rifled barrels because they're more expensive, shorter barrel life, and don't like sabots and everyone likes sabots for anti tank
>>65064696They had a bunch of Panthers, they were supposed to be quite tidy in their day.
looks like a modified Tiger hull design
>>65065315post war french tanks took a lot of inspiration from Panthers and tigers. Some even used modified german engines.
>>65065321that hull looks IS-3 inspired
>>65064696the AMX-13 was pretty popular.they definitely were farther down the tech tree with lights than they were with mediums and heavies.
>>65065400>wheee!!
>>65065869where are those outrigger arms connected to?
>>65065400Has someone been using the line between genius and madness as a skipping rope again?>>65065875The more I see pictures of these the more I want one just for my daily commute to the shops.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tim-de-zitter_leopard2-ukrainewar-activity-7447519376708112384-4ucd?utm_source=social_share_send&utm_medium=member_desktop_web&rcm=ACoAABvT-0wBcTduKOCgCByQy0GBxiOHW8eHl3IRumours have it that we have a new distance record. >Leopard 2a6 blasted a T72B3 at 5.5km distance.
>>65068106underrated
>>65068150https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tim-de-zitter_leopard2-ukrainewar-activity-7447519376708112384-4ucd>ftfy
>>65071800Really am surprised they kept the extra hull mg for so long when the M3 had long since scrapped it.
>>65068543I, for some groundless reason, have a firm belief that this makes the sound those gonk droids in Star Wars make.
>>65039282it's obsolete vs composite armor and is replaced by purpose-made anti-structure munitions
Covenanter, just a good solid tank.
>>65073261The M3 had a hull-mounted 75.
>>65076367M3 GMC or the Grease Gun?
>>65076339I do really like the bong tanks. Like the valentine mk5 with the GMC 6004 diesel Detroit engine (the sherman GMC 6046 is essentially the twin engine version). Proved to be one of the most reliable tanks of ww2 (up there with sherman)
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>>65065280>don't like sabots Multiple sabot designs for rifled guns were created by several companies.
>>65076821There was a fuckload of Valentines produced as well. Think it was roughly over 8000 in total which would put it off the top of my head one of the top 10 most produced tanks of WW2.
>>65076856Sure, but why? You don't need rifling for dart projectiles, and you don't want rifling for HEAT projectiles.
>>65061460Really cheap, turns out cardboard is very affordable!
>>65076821pity that more Allied tanks weren't diesel engined
>>65077388checked, what is it
>>65077882I think its one of the Verdeja prototypes?
>>65077304yeah a lot of variants too lots of engine changes and then they switched to the funky looking 3 man turret. Then they added the 6lber gun which was bigger so it went back to a 2man turret. Still it contributed a lot to the bong war effort and was their first tank to adopt the besa machine gun I believe over the vickers.
yeah a lot of variants too lots of engine changes and then they switched to the funky looking 3 man turret. Then they added the 6lber gun which was bigger so it went back to a 2man turret. Still it contributed a lot to the bong war effort and was their first tank to adopt the besa machine gun I believe over the vickers.
>>65078214>was their first tank to adopt the besa machine gun I believe over the vickers.Not technically as the Mark VI light was first followed by the A13 and Matilda II which all had the besa come 1940. It was definitely though the first to be built with it in mind from the ground up rather than being a refit or newer production mark.
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>>65037952I love myself a M41 Walker Bulldog
>>65079320yes, these Danish ones with Cummins diesel and NBC system
>>65079320They've never really been able to quite replace it.
>>65079775Come on man, at some point you have to let go.That is like running a Sherman or panzer 4 in the 1990s.
>>65079800>That is like running a Sherman or panzer 4 in the 1990s.Erm.....
>>65039282HESH is just better HE for direct fire, the problem is that APFSDS needed higher barrel pressures and rifling couldn't do that without being prohibitively expensive in tooling. AP is the driver for smooth barrels, and thus HESH fell out of favor since it needed rifled, or expensive fins.
>>65079804There was a point where we needed to stop.
>>65079949We need to go even further beyond!
>>65079804Hello saar.Chile stopped using the Sherman 60 years ago delegating it to training and OPFOR. Chilean army was all in on the AMX30 and receiving upgraded Leopard 1 by then and initiating the onboarding of the Leopard 2 with a few deliveries of th A4 that decade.
>>65080047Will a Leopard 2 even fit in the hallway?
>>65080118The hallways will be embiggened!
>>65076846for a short time, was all they had
>>65082075interesting, didn't know this was part of USMC flight deck doctrine
>>65082121Its not they're just too scared to tell them no.
>>65076821>GMC 6004 diesel Detroit enginejust say 6-71 Detroit, man. anybody who knows automotive things will know what you mean.>>65077360logistics. the red ball express was complicated enough without having to haul another fuel type. just sorting out the different types of gasoline caused problems.
>>65082987>just sorting out the different types of gasoline caused problems.Yeah cause diesel wasn't exactly a unified substance at the time. Pretty much every nation had their own definition of what diesel during that era and it wasn't always going to be compatible with every engine type.
>>65073324Makes sense to me.I intend to consider this true, from now on.
I'm a little tankClankity clankI'm coming for your flankYour ass I will spank
>>65082987>>65083005Multiple fuels were able to be used that's precisely the (logistical) point, and free up more of the refined gasoline for aviation use.
>>65082121probably will become more common as an easy way to boost defense against drones
>>65083272Really surprised there is no such thing as the spank tank ever been made?
>>65084455This looks rather cursed and I am not sure where to start? Ram turret with a 37mm I assume but I don't think it is, possible 2pdr? The hull looks like someone wielded two Dingos together?
>>65084474hull shapes/angles appear overtweaked
>>65084089good pic
>>65086745Neat. Isn't this basically what they originally wanted the M3 to be?
>>65086917those French
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>>6508704920 pdr?
>>65087135And a bit. 28 pdr, so a titchy 3.7in in the context of a floaty thing.
>>65087153diesel-electric, eh?
>>65087049I quit WT when I failed to get the TOG II. I have the most expensive tank in the game but missed the event for the TOG II so quit.
>>65080047>>65079804I mean Brazil still uses an up gunned (90mm) Stuart.
>>65087153The fact that they only recently discovered it was a 28pdr makes me wonder how many vehicles out there still have a lot let to discover about them?
>>65087279The prototype had a 17pdr and was intended to be replaced by the 28pdr (94mm). The British Tank Museum admitted the mistake.
>>65087267You should touch it, it's next to the kids play area.
>>65087274>Stuarthull doesn't look like it
>>65087290Like anything that didn't make production anything might happen with the stroke of a pen.
>>65087295Bernardini X1A (1975). I might have posted the X1A2 which is different.. I forget what it looks like.
>>65079834>>65039282Isn't the Challenger 3 still using fin HESH rounds? I know they got all autistic about it and went to smoothbore but still wanted the HESH rounds because the tankers liked it for hitting buildings.
>>65087292True but it doesn't give me it in War Thunder.
>>65087021Don't think it was related to the M3 Lee, this is made on the hull of the M2 Light tank and meant to be a spg
>>65087337its also basically the predecessor to the T18, which then finally evolved to the M8 Scott when they decided to put the howitzer in a turret.
>>65087343>M8 ScottIs great in Enlisted. The M24 is so bad despite a 75mm gun.
With the high muzzle velocity of a smoothbore and a modern FCS, wouldn't it be possible to hit a target even with conventional HE and APHE shells that lack stabilizing fins?Or would the lack of rotation or stabilizing fins cause problems with the projectile's flight attitude?
>>65087295It's essentially a heavily modified Stuart hull, X1A are straight out modernized Stuarts. Both no longer in mainline use iirc, they were made during the 70s and 80s boom in the mic and died off after it became clear the Soviet were a bunch of shitters and a non-threat.Here's a Tamoyo for you, it was meant to be a light tank for EB, but it was never adopted and the company that made it closed down not long after the military regime ended.
>>65087453yep I remember one of them was just an upgraded Stuart (never heard of the different-hull one)
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>>65087461and see (rear quarter view) : --------- >>65071910
>>65087458For me it's the Stuart/M113 crossover we never got.
>>65087474The M113 we have at home.
>>65087487Gotta give it to the Stuart, it's suspension quite beautiful and neat.
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