Can't counterattack their territory because it's guarded with tactical nukes. Have to make sure never to bomb or look like you're going to bomb, any of their nukes or the operators will launch them. Can't take out all their bombers because they'll then have to use their air-launched nukes before they lose the delivery method. And every time you take out one of their subs you're gambling it's not a boomer and you provoke them into launching. I just don't see how such a war wouldn't escalate to nukes almost immediately, which makes arguing about whether we can beat the Russian Army or the PLA in a conventional battle redundant.
>>65038761Didn't the Ukies take kursk without getting nuked?
>>65038771The Ukrainians have never actually threatened any Russian nuclear weapons with conventional attack, although I do believe they got uncomfortably close to some tactical nuke launchers in Kursk. They're arguably extremely lucky they didn't get very far.
>>65038777You said in your first sentence that you can't counter attack because muh nukes. Turns out nukes are a meme. If you start chucking them, everyone starts chucking them.
>>65038784It's arguably a completely different context since Ukraine does not have nukes nor an air force, so they can't really threaten the Russian nuclear deterrent. The Russians don't want to break the taboo on only using nukes against other nuclear power unless they have to. But if they fought the US, say, they'd need to launch almost immediately. The longer they go without launching, the more subs they might lose, the more launchers might get taken out by airstrikes, etc, and you can't let the enemy take out your nukes before they get launched, that defeats the point.
>>65038793That only applies if you'd prefer to suffer complete annihilation (the worst form of defeat) to any other form of defeat. Which we know is not true of humans.
>>65038810If that's the case, you wasted your time even having a nukes. It's only a deterrent if you actually use it when attacked.
>>65038819That's why we tricked Russia into building so many of them it caused them to collapse without a single shot fired.
>>65038777they did attack their EW radars not sure if they did any damage or if those radars fall under the detternce doctrine but it happened in 2023 i think>>65038784thats not how it works anonall big four (i include japan too cause they have something like 40+tons of plutonium which gives them like 3000+ warheads ) exists to keep the rest of the smaller ones in checkthey know that if one of them throw nukes nobody will retaliate because they also gonna get hit back and nobody wants to get hit by nukes thus detterence >>65038793funny enough they also were able to attack the tu 95s exactly because the russians adhere to the start treaty i just assume from now on russia will just remove itself from any treaty that exist because it doesnt even do any good for them at all
>>65038777A big chunk of Russian nuke delivery doesn't exist anymore
As of today ukraine and iran are fighting back against two nuclear power and they havent done more than strike civilians with conventional payloads.Unless you think svery large explosion is a tactical nuke like the toroschizo
>>65038899>a big chunk they use 10 in ukraine out of 50 4 got damaged and or destroyed however they arent even the big boys on the nuclear triad
>>65038916a lot more than that were completely destroyed. the triad is not longer even intact.
>>65038916There's 2 less subs in the Black kiddie pool, fairly much all their surface cruise missile capability got sunk or is in hiding, their Moskva got sunk, they cannot replace their aircraft and on top of that... its not all good in the ground launched hood because Saarmat doesn't seem to work and a hypersanic TEL got blown up a few days ago in Crimea.Every part of the triad is degradedWhen you lose delivery systems, that's usually some time to worry
>>65038761>Does it even make sense to plan to fight a nuclear power with conventional forces?Yeah. Ukraine. Taiwan. Iran. South Korea (which faces a danger from North Korea).I mean you don't have a choice if a nuclear power decides to attack you. You want to raise the costs of the big guy attacking you as much as possible.
>>65038771>Didn't the Ukies take kursknot really, nothey still had about 70km to go
>>65038761Google quote here: "Upon gaining independence in 1991, Ukraine possessed the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal, inheriting roughly 1,700 warheads, 176 ICBMs, and 44 bombers from the collapsed Soviet Union."They gave that up on the understanding that The West would protect them.We suck at protecting.
>>65038919you got more videos than the 4 we saw being attacked?i highly doubt it >>65038936eh ok good for you?in what universe russia will use their surface fleet to launch nuclear capable cruise missiles?in fact in what universe any navy will do that?you realise that lets say russia want to nuke usa they gonna have to reach at least 1000km from usa thats one days trip being visible to anything >because Saarmat doesn't seem to workyou seem to bet that because some tests didnt work out it means the rest are just as shit which is stupid to say the least>and a hypersanic TEL got blown up a few days ago in Crimea.what hypersonic TEL?russia abandoned the research years ago they launch them from mig 31s and ships unless you mean they destroyed an iskander launcher...
>>65038761>I just don't see how such a war wouldn't escalate to nukes almost immediately, which makes arguing about whether we can beat the Russian Army or the PLA in a conventional battle redundant.Military clashes in the real world aren't an immediate escalation to defcon 1 all nukes go
>>65038777they are wrecking the dictatorships lifeline industry like refineries and oil export terminals. Which is destabilizing the regime itself to the point that they need to crack down with the tyranny to feel "safe". Maybe its time to wrap your head around the fact that NOOK OOKING isn't some magic "I win" button and even the nuclear tyrants sort of get that In muscovias case only point they would ever even consider using it is a desperation weapon when the only two cities that matter, pidorsburg and muscovia, are themselves under threat. They wont use them to defend imperial provinces like kursk nor vladivostoks when chinks come to collect their debts
