Thoughts on USAF pilots survival gear?
>>65040569This would have been perfect if it was more of something like an AK74u, but no idea why a downed pilot would need a full length barrel when a carbine or SMG would probably suffice. If you're engaging 4+ targets coming to try and take you alive, I don't think 2 mags of 5.56 is gonna help you out too much.
>>65040724Not very good at reading are you?
>>65040724>12.5>full length
>>65040724>zigger literally can't read
>>65040724Retard
>>65040730>>65040733>>65040740My bad niggers. I thought it said 18.5.
>>65040724AK74u is heavier, less accurate, louder, and has pitiful muzzle energy at 100yds, the mags are bulkier and weigh more, how is that better?
>>65040569>let's tell the Iranians exactly what this guy is most likely carryingBrilliant
>>65040786Its not a secret and its literally just an AR.
>>65040755>18.5>Full length
>>65040786I feel like there would be bigger tells that someone was a downed US airman
>>65040569Ideal for enduring a three-day SMO
>>65040786youre right... the Iranians will surely break out their AR ultra drone magnet to fly over him, and pull his AR right out of his grasp! Blast... and the regime has 800,000 of these drones as well...
>>65040569wont help them when iranian chads finally find them
>>65040802this. full 20 or go home
>>65041159Too bad theyre hiding from American planes
>>65040786>Mohammed quick! Write down that infidel "Mrgunsandgear's" tweet! Quickly before the western djinn delete the post!>inshallah we now know the weak decadent western pilot may be armed with a...>rifle>and...>ammoTruly invaluable info
>>65040724>AK74u>a worse weapon in every metric Why did your mother miss with that coat hanger?
>>65040786>inshallah my brothers, the infidel has fallen for the sbr meme! surely we will succeed with out rusty enfields as long as we stay 200m away!
>>65040569A normal AR can be taken down by pushing two pins. Why does a pilot or aircraft crew member, who has experience cleaning/manipulating the AR, need a special mission specific takedown AR?
>>65040755Ok, and why do you think there are 2 mags even though you can see 4 and the caption says 4?Can't read and too stupid to count to 4.
>>65041219Hinging the barrel makes it more compact.
>>65041219Because some company was given a whole lot of money to design and make an AR that would fit in the jet's ejection seat without messing with any of the other complex systems while also 9o% of the way to being functional. They also don't know what shape the pilot will be in once they land, so making it even easier than "two pins" for the cost of a QD lever was a no brainer. Are you going to piss and moan about the cost of a 12.5" AR vs a 12.5" AR with QD that obly comes i to play once the million dollar jet goes down?
>>65041207>but commander! i can't read...
>size at a premium>still can't use a bullpup
>>6504080218.5 is circumcised full length.
>>65041239>some company was given a whole lot of money to design and make an AR that would fit in the jet's ejection seatMade in house by the air force armorers. Special parts were simply purchased from commercial sources.
>>65040724So; b8 or bots have already deciphered new captcha?
>>65041239>million dollar jetMudhens cost over $90,000,000.
>>65041255I am actually in shock the US govt made something in house instead of throwing money at DARPA and whoever has the AR contract to deliver the lightest QD lever known to mankind so that the engineers working on the ejection seat didn't have to commit ritual suicide when the chair was now .8 ounces over weight
>be downed pilot>probably need to evade enemy forces>forced to take a guy out>everyone within 100000000km can hear you fireWhy don't they give them some kind of integrally suppressed system?
>>65041290Youre not delta youre a pilot, if you have to shoot youre spotted.
>>65040569>no angled foregrip>no aimpoint acro>no fluted barrel>no forced reset triggernah, most folks have superior builds already
>>65040569>literal who twitter postI hate this fucking place
>>65041285They're just updating the carbines they've been using for the past 40 years. The airforce has a long history of modifying their own M4s.
>>65041302Anon the government doesnt need FRTs
>>65040786Next thing you know they'll be telling everybody that the Air Force has planes.
>>65041219So it can fit inside the ejection seat moron.
>>65040569>Thoughts on USAF pilots survival gear?Better off with a pistol, it's concealable, you won;t win a shootout solo against local forces, that's not what escape and evasion is about.
>>65041308fair enough
>>65041401>it's concealableYou know you're wearing a uniform right?
>>65041302>forced reset trigger>an actual, litteral airforce rifleBehold the brainpower of an ar15 owner.
>>65040755you will never be forgiven for this.
>>65041316they adopted the m16 first as well.
>>65041401>it's concealablebeing a white pilot wearing a flight suit in a foreign country typically isn't thoughhoweveritdobelikethatit
>>65041584welcome to /k/, it's a magical place.
>>65040786MAHMUD, WATCH OUT, HE HAS A GUN
>>65041396There's no other place to put a 1x.5 upper in that seat? Nah, let's waste millions reinventing the wheel
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>>65040569Give them a civilian hunting rifle to protect against bears if they land in the woods, this is just going to get them killed instead of captured
When the USAF recovers the pilot there better not be a gay-assed movie about it like the O'Grady one.
>>65040569>no suppressor>no thermal monocular >no NODWhats even the point?
>>6504056912.5? No FRT? No SOCOM ultra heavy barrel? No LAM? No LPVO stack? No can? Dead in the streets.
>>65040569Are they supposed to fight the whole iran army by themselves? I could understand a gun to survive in the wood, but in this case this just make them armed combatant as far the rule of war goes.
>>65042479Rules of war aren't real and they would always go to great lengths to capture a pilot alive as they are far more valuable than a grunt
>>65040786https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8QhMQ8CKM
>>65040755I may be a nigger, but at least I'm not brown.
>>65040569I would rather a gun that doesn't need to be assembled so I can just grab it and start running, SMG or PDW would be better.
>>65040802If it has a rifle length gas system it's a full length as far as I'm concerned.
>>65042655If you can't take a few minutes to get your survival gear out you are probably going to get captured no matter what.
>I know youve seen 100,000,000 AR clones in every shape and size, but if you look under your seat->You guessed it! Its another AR clone!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>65042664If you come down anywhere near a town everyone saw the parachute, grabbing a bag & gun and legging it is better than fucking around for 2 minutes.
>>65042674You are imagining a situation where hostiles are 90 seconds out when your chair hits the dirt but somehow you can still evade them on foot. I am telling you that is unlikely.
>>65042750Fair.
>>65040768It takes mags that the people coming to kill you are carrying.
>>65042901If you can get close enough to take their mags you can take their rifle too if you really need it, and it'll actually take their mags instead of just hoping you picked right.
Death to all mulattos.All those brown retarded American shitskins have no right to exist.
>>65040569If you ask me, the smartest thing to have would be a suppressor. When you're all alone out there, the one thing you cannot allow is to let the enemy get a fix on your location. Suppression may not be outright silencing, but it'll mess with auditory positioning and that's what's important.
>>65043335Conversely, you're a pilot and getting into a gunfight is probably the last thing you want to do. The purpose of the rifle is more to defend yourself from animals, where you'd want the sound to get them to fuck off even if you missed, while if you're trying to shoot and scoot on foot against someone organized enough that a couple of bullets hitting near them isn't going to make them sit in cover long enough for you to run away, you're already fucked and probably should just accept POW status.
>>65041241>You can't?! I bet THE JEWS are responsible for this
>>65043424>Never mind I'll do it myself!>For Allah's sake, I can't read either!>DAMN JEWS!!!!!!!
>>65040786Reddit-level post>>65041211It doesn't make sense to be given a gun that works on ammo the enemy doesn't use>>65041219They train with the modified one, retard>>65041401This.
>>65040569>No pack of Lucky Strikes 0/10
>>65040569Why not a bullpup?
>>65041242That's right, eurotrash
>no methanphetamine pillsSad
>>65043484armpit reloadslol.
>>65040569Why didn't they go for a folding rifle instead? It'd be way faster to deploy.
>>65043525Because it doesn't make a fucking difference and a folding rifle is mechanically more demanding to execute which means increased weight, cost, and complexity.
>>65042296>no suppressorWhy would you need one?>no thermal monocularWhy would you need one?>no NODpilots already have night vision gogglesThe rifle is only there in case the pilot fails at E&E. You're one dude being hunted down by platoons worth of men trying to find you. The rifle is purely for defense and follows the same logic for why the Army equipped rear echelon guys with M1 carbines instead of pistols during WWII: because pistols are hard. Rifles are easier.
>>65040569I think you shouldwatch me fuckya mudda.
>>65041241>Raise the literacy flag!
>>65043484The US military is allergic to them.
>>65043576I always assumed these were for hunting game rather than trying a last ditch stand against a platoon, which is certain death even against thirdies. If CSAR is close enough to make standing and fighting worthwhile, they're also close enough to give you far more effective covering fire than you could put down yourself.
>>65041296Suppressors don't make 5.56mm quiet. But they stop everyone from seeing your muzzle flash. It's very useful when firing from concealment.
>>65043683You can still see the muzzle flash at night from a suppressor anon.
>>65043805That depends on the suppressor and angle it's being viewed from.
>>65043683retard, as soon as there's any gunfire sounds half of iran will be combing every square inch of land within 50 square miles
>>65040569
>>65043961Why is that lego astronaut running away from roumelian greeks carrying riot guns and EKG meters from ghostbusters?
>>65040724Rangeban all non-US territories
>>65044041BECOME DEMORALIZED.
>>65040569How long do their beacons last??
>>65044144I was demoralized long before any of this, I just wish AI slop could be more accurate in its depictions of lego men in various situations
>>65043576Suppressor to cut down his signature in the event he does fire for whatever reason. Thermal to better detect and avoid enemies. Why does he need a rifle with 4 mags? We want to maximize their ability to survive and win right?
>>65042672under-rated post
>>65043673my sides
>>65041219>we can train this guy to fly a plane and deal with all sorts of emergency procedures he'll hopefully never have to do for real>training him to assemble his unicorn rifle is a bridge too far
Imagine being a downed pilot scrabling through the mountains of Iran, and the president's idiot son is making money by inducing morons to gamble on whether you live or die. Crazy dystopia levels.
>>65040569Why not just give them like 12 grenades?They can capture him as he bleeds out over a pile of iranian bodies
>>65043683There's these devices that have been standard on ARs since the first military acquisition, they are called bird cages or flash hiders
>>65044733If there has ever been a basic rule of US downed pilots it's that you don't kill them. Its literally been the playbook since we started falling from skies. You rough em up, you might even torture them (not recommended), but you keep them because it's the only real chip that can be used to negotiate with the bombers
Should be something like an MP7 with an aimpoint and a suppressor. Easier to use at close ranges which is the only time a pilot should be shooting.
>>65040569Fair overall. One thing that came to mind was "why not throw in a T1 micro on a QR mount in there while you're at it" but the utility would probably increase by 10% while it would cause an avalanche of bullshit like periodic zeroing and battery replacements so yeah, just keep it as it is.
>>65044936It's actually a decent use case for one of the small ACOGs. Or just a standard TA31.
Why hasn't the downed pilot been found yet? Surely they have satellite comms link to his/her location?
>>65040786Nigger he's got a flight suit on and they have a pretty good idea where he is, he could have dropped with a M45 quad mount and it wouldn't have made a difference.>>65044943I figured his long forgotten SERE kicked in and he's hiding. Iran would have gloated if they found him already, dead or alive.
>>65040786They can build ballistic missiles and develop nuclear weapons and you think they don't know pilots have guns? I'm sure the guy carrying an American military rifle (in a country under extreme Western sanctions) would have blended in perfectly fine if this one Twitter user didn't spill the beans.
>>65044951How long do pilots' supplies last?
>>65044961I legit have no idea about today's kit but cold war was supposed to last between 3 days and a week.
