>shits all over staccato to the point of capitalizing the 2011 marketSo how did Kimber pulled this off, by getting rid of the old CEO?
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>>65041798>shits all over staccato to the point of capitalizing the 2011 marketStaccato is still considered the best production (not custom or semi-custom) 2011 (some people would mention BUL Armory, but I'm not planning on buying one of (((THEIR))) new production guns anytime soon). It's great that Kimber is competing, but no one has shit on anyone; just be happy we're getting more variety and competition.>>65041801Thank God for sage, am I right?
>>65041801>Poor hands typed this
>>65041798>bushing vs bull barrel>unramped vs para/clark vs wilson/nowlinsWhich and why? I still dont know the different between paraclark and wilsonnowlins
>1911incredibly based>9mmoutstandingly bluepilledseriously, why are people willing to accept the perfection of the 1911, but just shit all over it with an inferior Euroid chambering?
>>65041881
>>65041907Because someone told them everything else is obsolete and they want to fit in
>>65041901Any 2011 unramped is a jam fest
>>65041907The 1911 is a holy weapon. Communists, homosexuals, and Jews cannot use one without suffering spiritual damage.
>>65041931What if im using a straightwalled cartridge and not 9mmemeter?
>>65041901If you’re buying Cheely, unramped is for gunsmiths only to cut a para or Wilson ramp to their exact dimensions of a barrel. If you’re buying a JEM frame, just buy a ramped version, a ramped .45 ACP 2011 seems to work reliably unlike a 1911. Wilson/Nowlins vs Para. It doesn’t matter, you just need to buy the right barrel. I think mechanically a Para with the Listner modification is the best (I think most if not all have them now) from what I read but the Wilson/Nowlins is easier to cut into the frame and is also good enough that it does matter.
>>65041941Same shit, there is a reason 1911s are known for being jam machines that force you to drop always the first round.
>>65042002The system works fine unramped with .45, 10mm and 38 super, all of which have approximately the same cartridge OAL (1.26-1.275). They really don't jam during feeding IMO, more like they suffer from completely asinine ejection patterns depending on your extractor profile and tension, ejection port geometry and ejector length/profile. Way too many variables. Never had a genuine problem with feeding in 15 years of fucking with 1911s
>>65042061I had ass metal followers from turkroach magazines that would get stuck after 200 rounds.
>>65041901>bushing vs bull barrelBull will yield better mechanical accuracy results.Bushing can come close to bull, and with a very good smith fitting extremely tightly can yield results close enough to be realistically indistinguishable, but no matter what it's an issue of tolerance stacking.IE with a bull barrel, you've got barrel-to-slide fit.With a bushing barrel, you've got barrel-to-bushing, plus bushing-to-slide fit.Each will have a minimum thousandth of an inch or two between them.
>>65041798Mogged by the gen 3 glock 19 desu
The idea of a "premium 1911" is just so weird to me. It's like Harley Davidson making a "how do you do fellow kids" motorcycle which is the same old shit but the model is called the "Six-Seven" in a desperate bid to get new customers before the old ones die off.If you want to buy a 1911, and most people should, get an actual 1911. You know, a clunky heavy finicky antique that looks awesome and makes you feel like a real WW2 soldier for a moment. Because that's what they're for.
>>65041798Best 2011 is picrel and I'm tired of pretending it's not
>>65042295>strikerbabbynusoifagslopKYS
>>65042302>he doesn't know what the browning HP was supposed to be
>>65042159>With a bushing barrel, you've got barrel-to-bushing, plus bushing-to-slide fit.Bushing to slide fit is irrelevant except in extreme cases where the bushing lug is too narrow, easily resolved by just buying a new bushing. You can replace bushings infinitely, you cannot reweld and refinish your slide/barrel more than a few times before the who thing is trash>Each will have a minimum thousandth of an inch or two between them.So does a glock barrel to slide, and a glock barrrel lug to locking block. Not relevant. Bull barrels have literally zero practical benefit and companies do it solely because the maching for the bushing cavity is expensive and bull barrels look cool. Anyone who tells you its for accuracy is bullshitting. Ditto with full length guide rods. No known benefit except you can take the slide off and the shit stays together
>>65042302Id rather have a full metal 2.0 than a overpriced 2011.
>>65042267
>>65042322Bull barrels are nice if you can control the slide ID and barrel OD inhouse plus the hood, makes them easier to fit. Normally a bull barrel is harder to fit than a bushing if the barrel OD has to be fit before you can fit the hood.
>>65042302>Same price as the """budget""" turkshit 2011s>Steel frame instead of polymer>Better trigger>No need to tune springs or any other autistic bullshit>Normal sized grip>Uses commonly available magazinesHmm I wonder why people prefer SF striker fired guns?
>>65042267I would never pay for a premium 1911 personally. It's too much fun to modify them myself. I've poured probably 100 hours into handfitting parts and slowly filing and polishing stuff on this build. Yeah it looks like shit but I built it with all the parts I like and it works great.I'm not gonna pretend like the 1911 is relevant but man it's fun to mess with. It's insane how accurate and enjoyable you can make browning's humble military pistol design
>>65042348Because they're poor and easily pleased
>I just bought a 5k match grade 2011so you can shoot competitively right????so you can......
>>65042452They're like $1500, I know that makes no difference to you since you'll never have that much in your bank account at any point in your life, but to a grown adult that's not that much money.
>>65042465im so rich i have a 3011cope.
>>65042348>Hmm I wonder why people prefer SF striker fired guns?Because they're fucking poor.
>>65042465I would rather purchase vintage 1940s Ithaca, Remington Rand, Union Switch & Signal, Colt 1911A1s
>>65042527Oh wow, those will go great with your fedora
Convince me that these 2011s are a good design and not just an extremely successful marketing trick. I watched 1911s fall out of favor, and for a bit I believed in the lie that it was just because of weight and mag capacity, but I eventually accepted that they can't keep up in reliability and DA/SA or "glock action" striker-fired is superior to cocked and locked carry. But suddenly the 1911 is a super reliable cutting-edge duty pistol, SAO with a manual safety is an elite choice, just because it holds 17 rounds of 9mm now? Everyone from 1938-2010 was so wrong about DA/SA that nearly the whole industry abandons it, but suddenly a 1911 with more boolit is the new cool thing? Anyone who buys a 2011 is a cunt.
>>65042527They hated Jesus for telling the truth
>>65042550Go shoot one idiot and you'll know. How is someone going to convince you with words? And if they do, you're a weak consumer whore.
>>650425501911/2011 straight track trigger is the best, it travels straight back without any hinge. 1911/2011 triggers are really short travel, light weight, they considered the best. The 1911/2011 (5 inch/government) has a very long slide stroke and the mechanics of a hammer fired gun where recoil and hammer springs working in junction to slow down the slide, they recoil very well if not the best in class. The 2011 has dominated competitive shooting since the 90s, before that it was other double stack 1911s. The 2011 had reliability issues since the same frame was designed to shoot .45, 38 super, 40/10mm, 9mm, using the same size magazine. The short 9mm rounds in the oversized magazine had issues. That has been rectified. The 2011 as a duty pistol is a successful marketing thing. STI, who invented the pattern rebranded to Staccato and tried to sell the guns to police. At this time advancements in machining and design (particularly the 9mm magazines) had made the guns reliable. The guns passed agency tests, cops shoot them better than other guns, people even sell that the manual safety makes NDs harder compared to other duty pistols. It seems you have made up your mind. >Everyone from 1938-2010 was so wrong about DA/SA that nearly the whole industry abandons itThey had reasons to abandon it. DA/SA is harder to shoot, it’s harder to train the lowest common denominators to use them. I remember a podcast where the former head of law enforcement sales for Beretta could not sell DA/SAs to cops in the 2000s since they could not get the bottom % of the classes qualify with them.
>>65041798I like that quite a bit. Just can't justify getting one because my old paraordnance 14-45 lda would get jelly. Glad Kimber got their shit together, tho.
>>65041816Oldfag here. I've got a few paraordnance 45s in the safe and an 14-45 lda in my belt holster. I've never been outshot by a staccato shooter once, on paper, splashing gongs, or in practicals. I'll admit they look nice, but they have never been all that, in my opinion. I'm just glad Kimber got their shit together.
>>65042684>outshotwhy does every retard use this term.
>>65042435>>65042525>U R LE POOR LOW CASTE BASTARD BITCH BLOODY!!11!1average 2011 fan
>>65042762I don't even like 2011s. I just think you're stupid, and poor. Most importantly I think you're poor because you're stupid.
>>65042684>>65042638based para chad
>>65042725I'm sorry. Are you new to firearms, or just stupid?
>>65042638>paraordnance 14-45 ldathis is how 1911 doublestacks should look.
>>65042684>>65042899Larp
>>65042899Neither. Whenever I see some dumbfuck saying retarded shit, he always say "Hyup, they don't outshoot me!" An utterly meaningless statement spoken by tards.But no, I'm sure you went over and measured the other guy's groups or timed their drills, or whatever other nonsense you mean by outshoot.
>>65042929When you know, you know+1
>>65042936Okay, champ. Nobody came at you, but you decided to be an asshole for no reason anyway. Do everyone a solid and go masturbate somewhere else.
>>65042932STFU kid
>>65042957Nobody asked you to roll up with your pride flag but you're still here anyway
>>65041798EH, not really hard to do. The turkshit 2011 I bought that takes glawk mags runs fine.
>>65042994>pride flag reference with no promptingThere it is. An angry closet queer with nothing but hate from being raised by an abusing low-rent single mom and surrounded by women all the time. Go play minecraft, pussy. Nobody here is interested in anything you have to say until you're off the stupid attitude.
>>65043014It's in response to you being a gigantic faggot. It's bad enough you're shilling a dogshit boomer gun that doesn't work, the fact you have to loudly make cocksucking noises while you're at it is insufferable.>>65042971god damn here I thought you were larping as a dinosaur but you are a genuine certified prehistoric GRIDS survivor
>>65042534>fedora= OP = (You) = 2011slop
>>65043054Seek psychiatric help immediately1-800-950-NAMI (6264) will get you connected to a professional who can help.
>>65043063the number is actually 1-800-NAMBLA
>>65043063>homosexual supports "professional help" yeah no thanks you gigantic retard, I'd rather get molested by a priest than some faggot preaching pseudoscience like psychology
>>65043071>gay flag and literally the worst people on EarthI implore you, please don't rely on your speed dial.. Seek IMMEDIATE MENTAL HEALTH HELP
>>65043072Wait a minute. Take a breath. There's no crap going on here. I'm just a guy whose been around the block. You seem like you may want to talk.
>>65043100yes, we're talking right now. I'm calling a fudgepacker
>>65043101>>65043100>>65043090t.rannyKYS strikerslop faggots
>>65043101Why are you so mad? I mean, everyone is pissed off for something.
jfc this thread turned gay
>>65043108Recreational purposes
>>65041798In my mind i feel like a 2011 plastic frame held to the rails and shit by like 2 screws or whatever is an absolute shit fragile design that will break very fast, but apparently metrosexuals use them in competitions with thousands of rounds a week or something so thats not the case
>>65043110Okay. You wanna try again?
>>65043115Not really, I'm good. You wanna try not sucking every cock you see?
>>65043114kek
>>65043118FFS, that's really not getting under my skin, kid. I have a whole life over here.
>>65043125Bro I have no interest in penetrating you to get under your skin
>>65043126Okay. Well, I tried. You are definitely a giant piece of shit. Good night, you cock-obsessed weirdo.
>>65043133thanks, good night gay faggot
>>65043136Is that the double-negative, or the happy pile of sticks? It's difficult to say, given your weird fetish with homosexuality. It's okay if you want to come out of the closet, queen! Nobody gives a shit that you like cocks unless you make that the only thing you want to talk about. Like you've been doing in this thread.
>>65043147What's the matter, can't sleep because you're still thinking about me, gay homofaggot?
>>65043149I am thinking about you, As a paramedic, it's ten thousand percent obvious you're a miserable wreck. You're lashing out at strangers on the internet like an asshole for a reason.
>>65043160Please don't think about my asshole.
>>65043149>>65043147Its ok to be gay, unless youre straight in which case being gay is the worst thing you can be. But youre both gay so its ok
>>65043162Just remember, midwit, when you end up in jail for doing some retarded shit, somebody reached out to you with zero benefit and you decided to be a prick about it. Don't blame what happens to you on anyone else. YOU did are responsible for it. Only you.
>>65043172>YOU did are responsibleSo butthurt from gay sex you can't even think right.>waaah I'm being cyberbullied so hard I can't even reply to the right post
You're all sick people.I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.I put a curse upon you all.Fuck yamudda
>>65041798The 2011 meme is a market ripe for disruption once the mass producers get ramped up. And we will look back on retards paying $5k for one of these and laugh
>>65042295Yep. It had to be said.
>>65042356>Yeah it looks like shitLooks fine to me. If you like it, even better.
>>65042527Post.
>>65041798Idk but yeah
>>65042684What discipline?
I like my Staccato P and shoot it better than my P226 and Glock
>>65042327Do you have a picture of a Japanese woman with all your guns? Youre not married are you?
>>65044258He's out of his /containment/ thread, just like OP and the other fags itt
>>65042327I wish I was that girl
>>6504190745 is a dogshit chambering. >>65041933This, Jesus was actually an anarcho capitalist. His views on poverty actually inspired the system of chattel slavery used in the US before the Civil War.
>>65041907I reject the antichrist and his satanometricsexual cuckery. Caliber is the way of Christ. Millimeters are the measurement of the bedazzled Germanoid BDSM bussy queens.
>>65044305Uh oh, noguns having a meltie about people on a weapons board owning weapons.
>>65041798>aluminum framed instead of steel>weird ass optics cut/plate system instead of a normal one>5" instead of 4.5"Weird design choices all around that wouldn't have costed them anything to get right. Guess they didn't want to cannibalize their more expensive 2011 market
>>65042684>I've never been outshot by a staccato shooter onceGuy you responded to here; that can simply be attributed to you being a better shooter than the other guy. That doesn't mean Staccatos are bad or that Kimber mogged them in any way. We are truly blessed to have so many options.
>>650449312k11 is steel, the low end model Warrior DS is only aluminum in 9mm. The .45, 10mm, .38 Super double stacks are steel frame.
>>65044931Tell me you're a retarded poorfag in one post.They offer 5" and 4.25", non comp models and comp models too, carbon fiber + Kevlar grips or aluminium grips plus the frame can be aluminium or steel, you pick your flavor.Retard.
>>65041798Related, should I buy a stealth arms platypus? Ive spent over 9000 hours on their customizer, wondering if I should pull the trigger (heh)
>>65045283Do you really just want a gun you can say pus to?
>>65045419No i want a good pistol
>>65045478you mean pustol
>>65042550Staccatos are still inferior duty guns to duty strikers. They don't do anything better than duty strikers, except that they are easier for noobs to shoot real good, and they introduce a lot of bad things like manual safety fuckups, they start shitting the bed after about 1000 rounds, you honestly can't tell what's wrong with it when something breaks unlike a striker, and if you're an actual daily user getting grass and garbage in your gun wrestling with junkies in the bushes of the trailer park you can't spare the time to deal with that shit. You can't stop in the middle of the workday to clean your gun, it's just not responsible. And they cost 4 times a Glock. So it's a Gucci gun for poseurs.They're great to shoot though, and that's no shit. Despite what boomers who worship the .45 1911 as the American Totem Animal will tell you, 9mm 1911s were always sweet shooters....when they worked. But that's why boomers have to post about how great .45 ACP 1911s are, because it's Big Medicine and deep down they feel if they praise the 1911 enough it won't fail them like their marriage did.
>>65045283I hear their customer service is superb. The fucking CEO allegedly flew out in his private plane to personally fix some dudes Platypus. Even as a stunt, that's pretty based. Anyway, I genuinely think the 1911 is an evergreen platform, especially in 45. >Literally created alongside the platform it was meant for.>The ACP truly stands for Anti Colored Person, due to being designed to kill drugged up berserk pinoys with machetes. >+P and Super loadings haul some serious ass, and can do some extreme damage. >Standard 230 grain ball suppresses like a dream. Fudds do get a lot wrong, but 45 AARP ain't one of them.
>>65041798hello catpug
>>65041801Indeed. 1911 threads always remind me that gun guys are one of the most bitter, obnoxious, and unlikeable demographics in America. A whole community of Walter Sobchaks. Source: 80% of posts in this thread.>>65042356This guy gets it. 1911s are awesome to work on. Very attractive, well done. I always cringe at the sights on repros so I appreciate that you made an effort to improve them without going too modern.
>>65044680>I'm a Triggered dilating tranny and anyone not posting in /containment/ is """nogunz"""
>>65042236The sad and boring fact is that Glock solved the handgun question. The only reason to own anything else is>I just think they're neat.I own 11 pistols and none of them are Glocks.
>>65045897>solvednot DA/SA or I shot myself
>>65042356>Yeah it looks like shitIDK if you are trollproffing this post or fishing for compliments, but that is what I would call a nearly perfect 1911 build. I would prefer everything to be blued and I don't like the esthetics of the beaver tail and skeletonnized hammer, but I absolutely understand why you would want them.I especially like the paint on the front sight. I use white, but red/orange is probably better. I have a Colt 1911 Classic and I want a Tisas Stakeout really badly. You really don't need to go much further than the A1 to get a great gun.
>>65045959It looks worse in person, just cold blue everywhere (thumb safety, ejector, frame tangs, rear sight). I wish I would have bought a carbon steel beavertail but I got the stainless one for a crazy price.I used Mr.Hobby and tamiya paints, white tamiya undercoat, mr.hobby fluorescent red topcoat. They sell orange too and I bought it but the red is more visible. >>65045882Those are KC customs meusoc sights. Pretty nice sight picture with tiny light bars. .122" rear .138" front width. I failed big time at staking the tenon on and it's wiggling around. I would not recommend doing a tenon sight unless you're gonna buy two at the same time and accept that the first one is going to wiggle loose. Also use green loctite 620, not red. Red does not fill small gaps, which is what you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGtXoWEkEU&t=>>65044173>>65044173>>65041798
>>65042550DA/SA will always be the safest carry, but the whole reason people moved away from it is because of training two different trigger pullsSAO+manual safety is almost as safe as DA/SA with a better, consistent triggerand SF is better for the people who need a gun but are too lazy to ever become competent with one
>>65046057>trigger pullsThe final atrocity of glock-ism>too lazywhat anon # 65045897 was alluding to with 'solved the handgun question'the Toyota Camry of pistols
>>65042550Depends on how you see the platform IMO, 2011s are sweet shooters and carry on whatever was learned in the pistol competition market, I think the best move they did was to make the mags work after god knows how many fuckups it took to get it right. As for the marketing thing, it's kind of true, as I think staccato making something duty ready out the gate is pretty fucking hard, that being said My P hasn't let me down and haven't run into issues, likes to run wet so it needs lubed more than my VP9 or PDP, I think DA/SA guns became abandonware because low denominators can't just run them, and if say 10% of the force (whatever that may be) can't hit the broad side of a barn with them, but you can get those 10% to do it with a glock (or other striker pistol) then you have a real easy choice.
>>650452419mm version doesn't come in steel. 2011 refers to only 9mm doublestack 1911s
>>65046252God you're fucking retarded.
>>65046232>DA/SA guns became abandonware because low denominators can't just run themThis. DA demands a consistent trigger pull and few are willing to put in the work. So does any pistol, but DA more so. Flipside of this is that people love 2011s because the trigger instantly makes them better. I can tell you are a Stoegerite.
>>65046057>DA/SA will always be the safest carryAnd here we have the double action hipster in his native habitat talking shit on obscure forums.>because of training two different trigger pullsThe answer is to train the same trigger pull every time. Yet even DA/SA hipsters can't comprehend this simple concept. >SAO+manual safety is almost as safeWrong because the same retards you decry can't operate a manual safety with a short light trigger without shooting themselves on the draw.>SF is better for the people who need a gun but are too lazy to ever become competent with oneLol. Strikers are dominant because they are simple, easy, and reliable. Hipsters like you think that means they suck when they are just practically superior for the vast majority of people. Anyone who can shoot a DA/SA well can shoot a striker just as well.
Gosh this AR15 is really great but the anatomically designed thumb safety is just frankly unsafe. What if I fail to come off safe after presenting the rifle? What if I take it off safe before I'm on target? I think the AR15 would be better with a DASA trigger and a manual decocker insteadDASA is fucking shit dude. It's a bad system that is unpleasant to use that came out for the brief period where cops and soldiers were turning in their revolvers and ancient single stack autoloaders for higher capacity 9mm pistols and their leadership figured for liability reasons it's better to make the pistols as onions and safe as possible. That's it. The beretta 92 and P226 would be infinitely better if they were SAO with thumb safeties
>>65046560They offer both the 92 as a SAO, the 92XI and you can pick up a legion 22X with a SAO option...
>>65046252>2011 refers to only 9mm doublestack 1911sHow many times did your parents drop you in the head when you were a baby?
>>65041798>how did Kimber pulled this offA functionally 100 year old design has no business being more than a Beretta 92.
>>65042267>The idea of a "premium 1911" is just so weird to me.Used to be you had hand fitted custom job 1911s. 2011s piggy backed off that as a production series, and competition shooting.
>>65042632>people even sell that the manual safety makes NDs harder compared to other duty pistols.Statistically, in events where perpetrators somehow cop the piece off a cop, ignorance of the manual of arms vs. striker fired saved a significant number of bamboozeled and fucked officers from dirt naps.
I guess the modular frame is half of the point of a 2011 but does anyone make one that's a single piece of metal like a 1911? not like a para though.
