If you want to throw your soul away, work for ICE

>>65043354
>3 years in infantry (11B) stationed in a really rainy German town
>fluent in spanish and ayacucho quechua
how the fuck did that happen?

>>65043396
>work for ICE
No.

Also even if I wanted to, aren't they federal agents and require a degree?
>>65043416
>how the fuck did that happen?
I was 7th SFG. Deployments in South America. Dwell time is spent in language classes for the region alongside training.

I knew spanish before joining though because I'm a beaner.

>>65043354
Become a streamer.

>>65043441
makes sense
yea you are kind of fucked and stuck unless you figure out what you do want to do
you might be able to build on your language skills and regional experience by applying to US companies that are involved in the area and asking them what they are looking for.
but there's a lot of mormons doing the same

>>65043496
I've looked into that. Without any college degree, the best position I'd land in those companies is doing security work. There's Non-profits and Christian missionaries there too but they don't really pay.

My dad thinks I'm stupid for not utilizing free college but I have no idea what I want to devote 4 years of my life to that will end up my career. I literally have no idea.

It's like I don't know what to do when I'm not being told what to do.

>>65043469
I considered an OnlyFans or making a Chaturbate account but I'm not a girl so I don't know if I can live off it

What this anon said >>65043496

>>65043354
If you're looking to get away from home and make some decent cash then there are probably US companies looking for security pros in the areas where you know the language.
Start by compiling a list of those companies, taking note of those involved in critical industries. Get in touch with them and I'm sure one of them will have a position for you.

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>>65043354
One-and-done 11B. I eventually settled into lifeguarding of all things. It's just guard duty: stand around, don't fall asleep, and wait for a life-and-death situation to drop into your lap. I regularly describe it to patrons as "all the boring parts of the Army without the soul-crushing parts".

I don't know anything about the American military but being part of the special forces sounds cool. That doesn't open any doors for you? Just listen to your dad and go to college my guy.

>>65043354
I have no advice for you. But as someone who is interested in the US Special Forces and possibly joining, what advice can you give me? How did you join the special forces and old were you when you joined? How hard was it? Were you recruited into it? Also, I'm sorry if this is an insensitive questions, but have you ever experienced combat and taken a life? What is the process of joining or how do you get recruited?

>>65043541
>I eventually settled into lifeguarding of all things.
Like at a beach? What were the qualifications? Training? Also, most importantly, does it pay well?
>>65043545
>That doesn't open any doors for you?
Not as much as you'd think.
>Just listen to your dad and go to college my guy.
I don't know what to study and I don't want to settle on a meme business degree.
>>65043558
>as someone who is interested in the US Special Forces and possibly joining, what advice can you give me?
Just go for it famalam.
>How did you join the special forces and old were you when you joined?
I just applied at the near SORB (special op recruiting battalion) which was at the base across from the one I was stationed at in Germany. I was 20 years old when I took the SFAS, which is really young desu and I don't recommend it. I was 23 when I graduated from training. I was the youngest in my detachment, the second youngest being 26.
>How hard was it?
The SFAS is ridiculously hard and I'm amazed that I was selected, especially at my age. (all the people my age were 18X recruits and they all failed) If you manage not to wash out and get stationed at Bragg/Liberty, then it's not so hard, mostly intensive.
>Were you recruited into it?
No, I applied.
>Also, I'm sorry if this is an insensitive questions, but have you ever experienced combat and taken a life?
Yes, but it's not what you think and really the majority of time I spent on deployments in SF was doing stuff like training with local military/security in Peru and playing soccer with indigenous tribes in the Andes. Worked with the American DEA too. Little of it was "kicking doors down" type of shit, but some of it was.

>>65043354
Hey beanerbro
why not combine both of your shitty experiences and work as maintenance tech in the dairy/protein sector.
jk but very solid career for the next 30 years.
Fluent spanish also helps dealing with your operators which will be either Mexicans or Viet or whatever minority could be sourced locally.
Use the GI bill, it will help converting less lifetime into more money long term.
You could do an associate's degree in Supervisory Management or Manufacturing Operations if you want to deal with people or go for a tech degree.
Will get you a comfy lower-middle middle class lifestyle.

You could find a job in any climate and most of the time the plants are near a small towns with good road connection.
If you lock in on one plant, move close to it. Dont waste 2h a day commuting.

>>65043510
well you can't really go wrong with a law degree
I got at masters in law and I've worked in publishing and recently in construction retail
it's the most open ended degree you can get since everything involves the law somehow.
even if it's just to get an office job
granted I'm a yourapoor and I've no idea how it works over in the US
you did make my day by making me realize I make more an hour that some ex US SPG
not so youra-poor no I guess

>>65043605
>You could do an associate's degree in Supervisory Management or Manufacturing Operations
Thank you, anon. I will look into this.

>You could find a job in any climate and most of the time the plants are near a small towns with good road connection.
I live in a fairly large city right now, but if I found a plant in a nearby area, are there entry-level positions I could work as while pursuing the Supervisory or Management degree? Just so that once I have my degree I'm not basically someone with zero experience in the field.

>>65043510
should probably at least try some classes/attend some lectures in different departments and see if anything grabs you. see if any schools in the area have reputable programs like rad tech or something.

>even with all that my case worker can't get me a job that pays more than $16 an hour like shit man come on
Stop depending on your case worker, they are there to try get the absolutely least motivated and capable to get any kind of job. Civilian life is a tough transition to make for anyone who went straight into the military from high school. No longer do you have anyone setting your schedule for you and telling you where to go and what to do. It feels good being free but you need to use that freedom properly. If you don't want to go to college, learn a trade or something. Be a cop, a lot of cops are ex-military.

>>65043595
>Like at a beach?
Indoor facility, so it's year-round instead of seasonal.
>What were the qualifications? Training?
Week-long training program, bring ability to swim. My employer refunded the training costs because they hired me, but that's not a requirement.
>Also, most importantly, does it pay well?
Well enough for me, but I live in a high minimum wage state, so everything's fucky. Ask around your local pools, they'll be able to provide numbers.

>>65043622
You could do production supervisor. Normally they like to have somebody that knows the industry a bit, but if you are willing to take 3rd shift for some time, I'm sure you could make this fly without the experience.
Even just working as a line operator will bring easily 22 bucks/h
Which state? I'll be visiting a couple of plants in the next weeks but will mainly be Wisconsin due to Cheesecon.

>>65043595
Thank you for the information. I am 20 years old and am considering enlisting in the military with a goal to join Special Forces and I'm in good physical shape. Either Special Forces or Navy SEALs. You said you don't recommend applying while I'm young so what is the ideal age in your opinion to apply?

>>65043658
I live in Texas. These are diary/protein plants you're talking about?

>>65043679
>You said you don't recommend applying while I'm young so what is the ideal age in your opinion to apply?
I mean, there's not really an exact age but experience in the mainstream Army really helps. A lot of the guys that I took the SFAS with were in their mid to late 20s with some in their 30s, and some of them have already gone through Ranger School and served in of other SOF-qualified. And even those guys fail. There's this program called 18X that allows you to shoot for SFAS right out of BCT/AIT with a minimum age of 20, but a lot of those guys washout (some make it though)

Also, when you do make it and are finally assigned to a detachment, it's not like the regular Army. There's a lot more freedom and less oversight. But they don't expect to hold your hand. Like my first week in my ODA, they got pissed off at me for not knowing how to properly do a PMCS at a range on base and almost a week or two after that they got real pissed when they asked me to dispatch a HMMWV and I told them I've never done that and didn't know how. It took some time getting used to doing stuff on my own but I managed to pull my own weight after a bit.

Also, I can't speak for the SEALs, but their training/selection is actually physically harder [spoiler]and gayer[/spoiler]

>>65043730
I see. I appreciate the information. Also, last two questions. A special forces detachment is 12 operators, right? What was your position and role in the 12-man structure? Again appreciate all the answers.

Become a service advisor you can make anywhere from 60k to 200k with no degree depending on dealership and their specific pay plan. Just have to be good at talking to people and even if you suck you'll probably make 70k a year. Speaking Spanish helps too because some beaners will buy services if you whisper sweet nothings to them in Spanish. I have no college and I'm pulling 100k right now.

>>65043354
You sound a lot like me.

I'm going back. Civvie life just kinda blows.

>>65043396
Buddy he already signed that over to israel. Most he can throw away now is his time before hell

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>>65043759
>A special forces detachment is 12 operators, right?
There's technically 3 types of "detachments" and the one you're thinking of is an Operational Detachment Alpha (ODA) which is supposed to have 12 men, yes. In my 3-4 years with the 7th SFG though, I've never seen a fully staffed ODA. My ODA was 7-8 guys, and we even had Non-18 (guys who aren't special forces) support for our medic and communications.

Idk if it's just the 7th, but they're very undermanned.
>What was your position and role in the 12-man structure?
I was a weapons sergeant (18B) Basically starting out I'd maintain the fucking weapons. I'd work a lot with the Engineer Sergeant 18C out of everybody, and as my responsibilities grew we'd be in charge of training local forces in stuff like marksmanship, anti-armor weapons, IEDs, and just how to maintain their shit in a less than ideal environment.

After I took the SFSC and arguably was the best (maybe) marksman in the undermanned ODA, I started paring with the 18F as a sniper/spotter/recon detail.

>>65043691
Yup. Mainly dairy up there. Where you are are you could go to Hilmar or Southwest, but my company is not doing a ton of business in the south so I know neither of them very well.
I prefer dairy to meat/bacon but that s just me.
Just send in your resume. If you can show up on time and follow orders, you'll have an acceptable job on Tuesday.

>>65043812
You know any good companies near my area that you could recommend?

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keep your chin up, USA veterans

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>>65043818
Back to your pigsty ivan

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He overcame and so can you.

>>65043817
Give ZIP or general location. Texas is like 2x the size of Germany

Mention your background as an NCO and how that makes you a totally qualified manager lol

>>65043830
I live in San Antonio.

>>65043354
>elite ex-soldier
>works minimum wage stocking groceries
>lives with parents
>has no goals or direction

Guess those malnourished militants you killed weren't worth it.

>>65043833
Oaf farms dairy has a small plant there. Other than that Tyson foods but thats chicken iirc. Smithfield would be my best bet in that area

>>65043354
Do you have shitty relationships with your peers or something? Contracting is always an option

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Go to school, OP. You earned a free ride through college and you'd be a retard not to utilize it.
>inb4 i did it for muh country

Also, the fact that it took you asking /k/ to decide to look into meat plants shows that you hardly even looked into career paths yourself.

>>65043886
To counterbalance this anon: I did exactly that, taking advice from people like this who said I'd be stupid not to go to college, and regretted it. Now I'm stuck in a career path that pays decently but involves a bunch of boring desk work for the rest of my life. And I'm no longer a 22 year old with no responsibilities or people to provide for, so I can't just go back and try something different.

>>65043886
Its a waste of time. OP rejoin.

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>>65043833
How are those churros?

>>65043354
>>65043510
>>65043622
>>65043817
Dude I think you need to stop and ask yourself what you're doing and what you want your life to look like. Yeah the Army sucks, and I imagine with SF optempo it sucks a hell of a lot more than it ever did for me, but at the end of the day you have a cool-ass job, your entire family and social circle looks up to you, and a lot of your days are spent doing some really amazing shit. You get paid surprisingly well for someone with no education, with tons of benefits, and an amazing retirement plan.

That is the life you are leaving behind, and what does the path forward look like? You're a jobless deadbeat who's struggling to find an hourly wage better than I was making when I was 18, almost a decade ago. You're seriously considering obtaining an education to be a low-level supervisor at a meat packing plant. I find it hard to believe that a high-speed can just slide into an incredibly mundane job like that and be satisfied. The Army sucks but civilian life sucks in different ways that you may find much worse. It's hard to describe, but when you can be fired for little to no reason at any time, you have to put up with an entirely different degree of bullshit compared to dealing with a jackass superior in the military.

You say you don't want to go back to the military but you did explore PMCs and you never gave an actual reason for getting out - was it just an 8-year contract that finally expired, and now you're facing reality for the first time in a decade? Because the reality is that while you don't feel like going back and dealing with retarded bullshit at zero-dark-thirty, you also probably don't feel like waking up at 0600 to get ready for your shift at the local hot dog factory. And that's what's waiting for you, at this point.

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Whatever happened with the Cybertruck crash out guy?

>>65043515
Well you can always try to pull a MikeBurnfire on youtube and become a retired military grunt that talks shit about guns, the military, and life in general out in the real world as you play video games you like with your best friend talking shit commentary with you. Mike mostly plays fallout games so maybe you should try playing Call of Duty on youtube while saying whatever the hell you feel like when playing those games.

Maybe call up some of your battle buddy's from the service and see if they want to try the whole youtube gig as well? At least that way you wont be lonely talking to a camera all day by yourself.

Just be sincere and really play up your dejection and alienation from giving up so many of your years of your life for your country and how you now no longer know what to do with your life now that you are a free man. It may help you with your feelings if you talk to strangers online about your problems and hear all the smack talk they send your way.

It would not be much different than all the shit this site throws at you and everyone else all day. So you are already used to that.

Or you can just be an asshole military brat on youtube and make jokes and mockeries of everyone you hate in life while bragging how badass you were in the service and how you could kick the ass of everyone online with your awesome special forces skills.

You know like most other former army pundit's out there looking for a job in politics.

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>>65043918
He could probably work for a cartel and get close to the rush. If he doesn't feel comfortable, he can do some work on behalf of a local motorcycle club, get the brotherhood rush he wants and storm some houses occassionally.

>>65043929
Cartel will actually pay him more money than he's probably ever been paid in his life. Especially considering his military background and skills.

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>>65043933
Can buy all of the lifted trucks you want AND you don't have to bang fat chicks like your SF buds.

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>>65043918
>You say you don't want to go back to the military but you did explore PMCs and you never gave an actual reason for getting out
8 year contract ended and I missed the window for reenlistment because I was considering getting a degree and possibly going the officer route but probably not because COs seem to deal with a lot more bullshit. Also, I kinda lost faith in the higher chain of command.

Without going into explicit detail, USSOCOM is trash. They will issue last-minute commands as part of a larger operation that leave you little time for preparation and then will cover their own asses if you end up like those guys that got lit up in Niger in 2017. Thankfully, we didn't experience anything that tragic, but there were a couple anxiety-inducing actions we were asked to do. I really can't go into further detail because this may sound cliched but I literally signed non-disclosure agreements before taking part in select actions. (it's really nowhere near as "cool and mysterious" as it sounds)

>PMCs
I know some guys who are into that now but unless I don't have the right connections, the job offers aren't exactly ideal nor do they pay as much as I was expecting for an overseas posting. The highest paid one I saw was in Mali where someone I knew from the Army is working for a private security firm doing security detail on gold mines. He said that it was the highest paid position he could find and it's only high paying cause in his words "There's a bunch of ISIS over here,"

>>65043965
Are you referring to the Tonga Tonga ambush? Wikipedia says that those guys were self-deploying and carrying out missions on their own without their superiors approval.

>>65043977
>Wikipedia says that those guys were self-deploying and carrying out missions on their own without their superiors approval.
That was proven false. An investigative journalist actually got with the families of the guys who lost their lives in that incident and found out the truth. A Lt. Col. in USSOCOM faced criminal charges iirc. I'm not sure if anything came of it.

No Special forces detachment will ever "self-deploy," ODAs are the main on-ground force but they are the smallest and command and control come from ODBs and ODCs.

I'm not part of the Intelligence Community, but I kind of have an idea how intelligence can be really fluid and I understand the work that analysts and IC officers have to do, but when peoples lives are at stake, (americans and local allied forces) they really feel like they're just making decisions at a whim without considering the costs.

>>65043998
You signed up for it lol. You have no right to bitch. Go be cannon fodder for Israel.

OP college is the best option for you while you figure out the next arc of your life, use the GI Bill and housing payment to buy time, do a technical certification course at the community college or trade school if you don’t want to do traditional degree, frame this as something to do while you bridge to the next chapter, it gets harder to get education or certs the older you get, ICE/CBP is a good option, you don’t need a college degree, just use it as a foot in the door, friends brother washed out of the army and he was able to use CBP to get into gov, now works for army CID doing VIP protection and planning with great travel and fun details

I’m a navy vet, started off as enlisted and then later got selected for naval academy, then served five years as a surface warfare officer on destroyers and cruisers, was also selected for nuclear surface warfare officer training between my destroyer and cruiser tours but I “went sad” to drop out at prototype because I hated reactor plant operations, this was the best decision as I got to be an aegis fire control officer on an air defense cruiser for my last tour, I directed the ships and aircraft in the gulf for tactical air defense ops, worked on the carrier with the air wing and admiral staff etc… gives me tons of leverage in my resume, after getting out I got a masters in computer science with the gi bill and worked in various defense research centers before going into government as a GS, I just made it to GS15 last year and coasting right now, it’s pretty comfy with VA benefits, GS pay and nearly $500k in taxable investments, I’m 41 now and no kids or wife, not sure if I want one, I take care of my dad who lives with me but other than that can basically retire early if I want to

I did 13 years in the navy altogether but overall it was worth it because I had no direction, no mentorship, and single mom barely making it when I left HS to enlist

>>65043354
Reading through this thread, OP, I have to ask, are you avoidant on any sort of military/security contract work? You seem to be shooting for a straight 9 to 5 with the meat plant thing, but honestly you're barking up the wrong tree. Like it or not, your qualifications make you a very valuable potential employee in defense and security firms. All that's missing to make you an ideal hire for these companies is a bachelor's degree. Many universities offer degrees in things like Defense and Strategic studies, Security Studies, Political Science etc.

That's really where you should be looking into. Let your background be an asset because right now it's not serving you at all.

>>65043354
I think you’re probably looked after better than you think, you have some good government and charitable programs for veterans.
I’m ex-bong military and the government simply wants to forget you when you retire. Still waiting for my pension details to be sorted out.
Yeah, l’m bitter.

I was an HM that got out a few years ago and went to an ivy league.

A lot of SF/rangers, PJ's etc in the veteran cohort end up going to these and it's pretty chill.
Most of them are tired of the military and want nothing to do with it which was cool.

Go to college and fuck some 20 year olds while you expand your horizons.
Avoid contracting unless you absolutely loved the military and all that jazz.

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Become police. Many are ex-military. It's an easy gig to be honest once you get the ball going. Academy, field training and then you're given your keys and you can pretty do whatever you want unless you're doing calls for service. Extremely good benefits, meals free or 50% off. Be prepared to see the stupidity of people though, but you'll help people when it can be done. I've seen it all in 5 years.
>T. Cop for large city

>>65043354
Try somthing related to medical equipment (X-ray, MRI, not fucking scalpels lol), this might be interesting.

>>65043807
>SFSC
>special forces sniper course
Fucking cool. You're a sniper? Did you have to take the regular Sniper Course in the army before you were able to take the SF one?

>>65043354
>>65043965
I liked the near 1:1 recreation of Captain Miller's D-day experience this game had.

>>65043354
Get sleeves on both arms legs and your neck and larp as a former spook you’ll eventually get hired as private security

>>65044021
You went to Naval college and went the officer route, though. I'm a little less qualified because I was NCO my entire time plus officer candidate school in army requires college unless you're a WO. That's great though that you're making good money as a GS. How many years did it take for you to get your masters? Were you working while you were studying?
>>65044058
Bongs in the UKSF are very well trained. m8. I'm sorry that you're bitter. I wouldn't say I'm bitter with my situation, but I'm definitely wondering what to do and I'm not getting any younger.
>>65044071
>Go to college and fuck some 20 year olds while you expand your horizons.
That's a big plus for me, I'm old enough to be experienced for them but not old enough to be creepy yet
>Avoid contracting unless you absolutely loved the military and all that jazz.
Contracting seems to have all the benefits of military work but without the bs and more money. Unfortunately, I can't seem to really find good job offers. I was expecting a lot more, I've been told my multiple people that the PMC/PMS scene is not what it used to be.
>>65044081
I don't want to become a cop.
>>65044149
>Did you have to take the regular Sniper Course in the army before you were able to take the SF one?
I took the Army Sniper Course while I was still in standard infantry, but having passed it is not a requirement to take the SFSC, the only requirement for that being an 18 MOS.

>>65044190
PSC* lol i said PMS

Yeah OP nothing better than being SF and training up more browns that end up fighting against your own military. Just imagine a few more years of that, you'll have the rank of E8 and somehow more debt than you have now.

>>65043354 (OP) #
Have you looked into CBP

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The economy/job market is dogshit right now. I made more money as a highschooler intern working summers than the first civie job I got after getting out. I'm not allowed to do the civilian version of my job without going back to school for 2 years to get an A&P license which I'm not going to do because I fucking hate aircraft MX. There is zero way to make above $16 an hour without a degree or half a decade of apprenticeship. The average non-union tradesman in my state makes less than an amazon warehouse worker so that's off the table.

I currently live at home with my family and I use my GI bill housing and disability to help pay their bills. After working minimum wage civie jobs for a few months I decided to go back to school for an engineering degree because that's the only way I'll ever be financially independent. Like you my interests aren't applicable to any career path that would be reasonably successful but I know that I can hunker down and get butt fucked so I went with engineering. It's really embarrassing but my math level was so low that my university made me re-learn shit like fractions and negative numbers lol. There were a bunch of people in my remedial math class but the only people that made it through to the calc track were the veterans. Out of the original 30 people in tard math, the only people that have made it through calc 2 with me are another crewchief and a Marine rifleman.

I wouldn't touch any PMC stuff. I'd be afraid of ending up like those retards that got caught in the failed Venezuelan raid a few years ago. I was an AFSOC crewchief and a few months before getting out I got offers to help move stuff in Ukraine but it was sketchy

>>65044386
calculus is a filter, certain percentage of the population just can’t do it, they’re not dumb but some brains are incapable of the rate of change and cumulative summing attributes of derivatives and integrals, don’t even get started on limit theory etc… engineering will pay more for sure, my EE undergrad with a good GPA is an instant filter that I can do certain things, haven’t worked an actual engineering job in years but it’s definitely unlocked higher positions and wages, so stick with it
>>65044190
took me 2.5 years for my masters, I did two semesters full time then got a job and finished it while working, a full year of being a student at 31 was great, frat bros loved me and invited me to parties and I got to date a few undergrads, some of them were experienced sluts and others were so inexperienced it was like shooting fish in a barrel but I was nice to all of them

Aren't lifer enlisted just admin office monkeys as well? OP is going to be suicidal mid way through his next enlistment.

>>65044459
Yeah. My cousin was a green beret and he got out because they stuck him in the office

Hey OP. I used to be a civilian glowie, and in 2019 I was in Mexico. Our paramilitary officers worked with a couple guys from the 7th special forces group during that time. Like you, I signed a non-disclosure but I don't care anymore and it's not like the current presidential administration wouldn't highly approve what we were doing down there during Biden's term. Maybe we've met. Small world if so.