>be USSR>start a bioweapons program>start pumping out barrels of anthrax on an island in the aral sea>the sea dries up>the state collapses>leave those barrels rotting in the open until the Americans go in and sterilise the entire place by spraying the entire area down with bleach>nobody tries to step foot there again Why is Russia so incompetent when it comes to dangerous substances and making sure they don't leak? This shit happened at Mayak, it happened at Aralsk, and by the latest news it seems to be happening again.
>>65043462Out of sight out of mind was the slogan of the state. With everything. Even people.
>>65043462>Why is Russia so incompetent when it comes to dangerous substances and making sure they don't leak?they dont give a fuck. Same thing with radioactive substances. Its a homosexual death cult that its owner, the czar, can use like cattle
>>65043462>by the latest news it seems to be happening again.what latest news ?
>>65043462I'm sure Russian cultural norms played a part in it, but plenty of nasty shit would go down if the US went through similar circumstances. Shit Lyme disease almost certainly breached containment from the bioweapons facility off the coast of New York (lol) during eminently stable peacetime
>>65043578>Lyme disease almost certainly breached containmentAre you actually retarded or saying this as a joke? Lyme disease has been around for like five thousand years and we have exact pathogenic descriptions matching lyme disease from hundreds of years ago, AND preserved ticks and mice with the bacteria in their bodies from the 1800s. You have to be baiting or something with this.
>>65043662>Lyme disease has been around for like five thousand yearsSo has anthrax, so I guess that's not a bioweapon either.
>>65043529AFAIK Russian state is destroying thousands of cattle in Siberia and not paying farmers compensation. They're not publicly saying why though, so it could be anything from foot and mouth to bovine tuberculosis to an accidental release of Turbo Moo AIDS they developed in a lab.Given Russia, whatever it is is probably circulating freely in their meat supply.
>>65043665Nigger if something escaped containment it must first BE contained, if the continent crawls with lyme for thousands of years before anything happens it doesn't breach containment.That's entirely setting aside that you're claiming it to be a bioweapon with nothing to support you and an undoubtedly nebulous definition to begin with.
>>65043667Their biowarfare program hasn't been active for decades. And this isn't a case where they're denying it but still doing it. It's extremely resource-intensive and their WMD propaganda is better served by the nuclear program.>>65043578You are so fucking retarded it's not even funny
>>65043667Afaik that's just a meat market monopolisation on behalf of Miratorg.
>>65043578Lyme disease no, CWD was introduced into the wild from research on BSE at some university.
>>65043670Don't forget that a tickborne spirochete that is susceptible to basic bitch 1st gen cephalosporins and doxycycline is about as far from a bioengineered superweapon as a systemic bacterial infection can be
>>65043676Their screeching about "HATO Polish biolabs with black mosquitos raping the civilians" is the only proof you need that their bioweapon program is active (and failing)
>>65043687No you mongoloid retard. They lost essentially their entire institutional virology and microbiology knowledge to the West in the 90s. They have invested in no new facilities and have no signs of government-sponsored pathogen research.The russians throwing a hundred darts at the wall to see which ones stick does not constitute a projection of guilt. The stupid biolab thing was just one of many nonsensical excuses from the Firehose of Falsehood.
>>65043667>>65043681The Chinese have also started culling cattle on the border, so something's definitely spreading. Whether or not it's a lab leak or just an unlucky vaccine resistant strain remains to be seen.https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-tightens-border-controls-culls-cattle-amid-foot-and-mouth-outbreak-2026-04-03/
>>65043462They did the same thing with their aging nuclear submarine fleet.Great piece by popular mechanics:https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a34976195/russias-nuclear-submarine-graveyard/>it's actually readable>checks date>oh, from 5 years ago
>>65043462>Be USSR>ruin nuclear energy for the human race Funny how Fukushima and Three Mile Island had a combined death toll of fucking ONE. Meanwhile these retards were popping off Kyshtym and Chernobyl like it was going out of style
>>65043578>>65043665You're fucking dumb.
>>65044166It just keeps happening
>>65044382jesus christ
>>65044130>In October of 1995, 12 decommissioned Soviet subs awaited disposal in Murmansk, each with fuel cells, reactors, and nuclear waste still aboard. When the cash-strapped Russian military didn’t pay the base’s electric bills for months, the local power company shut off power to the base, leaving the line of submarines at risk of meltdown. Military staffers had to persuade plant workers to restore power by threatening them at gunpoint. lmao
>>65044382>Sodium Reactor Experiment in a submarine without realisingHoly shit, QRD?
>>65043662>what is wildtype vs engineered>swiss spirochaete biomarkers just show up in NA because ???>>65043670It's insane to be such a proud newfag you've never heard of plum island or willy burgdorfer. Google it you fag I'm not spoonfeeding you>>65043676>no argument Imagine getting emotional over this like a baby and being unable to articulate anything lol>>65043684The deathbed confession from the guy who discovered it, evolutionary genomics, and obvious temporal circumstances say otherwise. I have no opinion on the prion. >>65043686>susceptible to basic bitch 1st gen cephalosporins and doxycyclineWay to out yourself as knowing nothing about this topic. B. Burgdorferi is notoriously treatment resistant once established, as the pathogens sequester away in nerve tissues and spinal fluid. Behavior it was selected for in a lab. All bacterial bioweapons are susceptible to antibiotics btw you actual genuine moron. It appears I'm getting flak for implying the US would ever handle bioweapons improperly (lol) in what is apparently yet another Russian hate thread instead of a bioweapons discussion, but it is well known both US and Soviet bioweapons programs preferred to work with pathogens that required intermediate organisms as they were easier to control and cull than other more volatile and unpredictable formats. Lyme was envisioned basically as a fatigue bomb you could drop on rear lines and ennervate whole formations to reduce their capabilities, a much more realistic and controllable goal than what the Soviets were doing with tularemia at the same time, which is why it was one of the longest running (known) programs at plum island. Obviously this is all very discrete by nature but the program predates the treaty and yet is almost certainly still being worked on in the name of biodefense. But uh, fuck the Russian animals back behind the urals
>SAR! SAR! YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO JOKE ABOUT THE RUSSIA! >WHAT ABTOU THE USA! USA TOPIC NOW! USA BAD! USA FAULT!>I WILL DEBATE EVERYTHING YOU SAY! YOU INSULTED RUSSIA, YOU MUST SUFFER NOW!Every fucking time.
>>65043462>Why is Russia so incompetent when it comes to dangerous substances and making sure they don't leak?You have to bear in mind that they industrialized at a breakneck pace from literal serfdom.Most people in the USSR viewed technology and (heavy) industry as something akin to a miracle that pulled them out of the life of trying to get enough firewood and calories stockpiled for winter into the life of merely grumbling about there not being enough meat at the store or having to get on a waiting list for a car, all over the course of 1-2 generations.This has resulted in an incredibly callous approach to any danger that could stem from it, and in most Soviets seeing anyone trying to warn them against the flipside of industrialization and the effects of pollution (which they previously had essentially zero experience with) as a luddite and reactionary at best, and an enemy agent trying to set back their progress at worst.They exported this attitude to all of its satellites, as well."The smoke stacks keep fuming, the Sun squints its eyes.""Go ahead, squint - if they didn't fume, we'd be worse off!"
>>65044885They also put a lot of effort into putting the worst shit in Kazakhstan, far away from Muscovite eyes.
>>65044824I dont care about russia. The title of this thread is >bioweaponsWould you like to make an on topic post?
>>65044959>SAR PLEASE IGNORE HOW I TRIED TO FLIP THIS TO US FROM RUSSIA! YOU WILL NOTICE NOTHING!>ALSO I ONLY TALK ON TOPIC! TOPIC IS US BAD! IT SAYS SO IN OP!Just get a new script, it's fucking pathetic, you neutroller clown.
>>65044382>Andreev bay>We had to remove the skin on heels and partly on our hands with razors until they bled, since these areas resisted decontamination.Jesus, say what you will about their incompetence but the regular workers were nails.
>>65044959yeah sure, buddy. it's kinda telling how often someone makes a mild joke on or critizes russia and then a bit later you get some dishonest odd poster that has to reply to everyone with the most disingenious shit to shut it down ala >>65044516totally normal behavior, doesnt happen with any other nation to that degree but keep talking buddy nobody buys that shit anymorewell maybe retards or newfags
>>65043676>Their biowarfare program hasn't been active for decades.On the contrary it saw a major modernization program and expansion in 2022 and has been reported in russian press.
>>65044437I think he's mentioning the incident on K-27. Basically some coolant tubes inside the reactor got plugged thus causing reduced energy output (down to 7%). The captain, afraid of possible reprimand if he backs out of military exercise, demands more power so reactor crew pulled the control rods out causing the reactor to eventually meltdown inside thanks to plugged coolant lines.https://whatisnuclear.com/safety-minutes/soviet-sub-k-27-core-melt.html
>>65045016>>65045045I merely commented on how I wasn't expecting a thread about bioweapons to just be shitposting about muh ebul puccia and you two morons are convinced its a shill operation. My posts are entirely about biological warfare and you are just looking to seethe over your faggot bully state. Kill yourselves if you won't post about the thread topic
>>65045490First I've heard of this. Care to share a link?
>>65045581There's this one from december 2024 that I had saved:https://lansinginstitute.org/2024/12/31/the-shadow-of-biowarfare-investigating-russias-pathogen-development/I have a few books about Biopreparat but the book "Stalins Secret Weapon" gives good history and explains how Russia today is still heavily invested in BW and how it is supported covertly.
>>65043715>something's definitely spreading>amid-foot-and-mouth-outbreakIt's almost as if China's reason is mentioned directly in the URL you posted.>>65043667>AFAIK Russian state is destroying thousands of cattle in Siberia and not paying farmers compensation. They're not publicly saying why though, so it could be anything from foot and mouth to bovine tuberculosis to an accidental release of Turbo Moo AIDS they developed in a lab.Yeah, nah, apparently some oligarch who runs a ranching empire is tired of having to compete in the market with small farmers so he's slaughtering all their cows to jack up the price of beef. But> Turbo Moo AIDSis topkek.
>>65045027Russians are insanely resilient and stubborn. It's foolish to underestimate them like many in the West do.Half their history is getting shit done when everyone else says it's too dangerous or difficult to do so
>>65045579there are the things you say and then there are the things you do, these arent the same thingsbonus: everyone knew you had to reply to that one post, shills like you can't let it slide when someone mocks you or what you stand for, which makes your kind so fucking predictable. the post wasn't even replying to anyone for gods sake
>>65045800You're a colossal faggot war tourist. We can't talk about fucking anything on this board anymore without you "people" pissing and shitting yourselves. Kys.
>>65043462What blew up this time?
>>65045834your empty accusations are just that, but i do wonder how much of it is projectionsbut here we are, someone made a joke about russia and now we have the typical token idiot enter the thread and reply to everyone for fucking hours in some strange retalitory mannerwhy are russians and their contrarian pets always so fragile? i can't name a single other nation that has this happen so reliably
>>65045016you've got nothing and you're shitting up the thread. shut the fuck up and fuck off.
>>65045800Its good you are a noguns euroid, because you are clearly suffering from unmedicated schizophrenia and would have them taken from you in any case. Get off my board
>he's still mad>he's still seethingWhy are they always like that?
>>65045683Thank you, it's funny the only time bioweapons get any media coverage at all its usually merely a passing reference in discussions about AI safety. It's one of the harder military subjects to find worthwhile reading on
>>65043578>Lyme disease almost certainly breached containmentIt then proceeded to time travel and infect some rando 5,000 years ago in Europe. Quite the bioweapon!https://www.livescience.com/18704-oldest-case-lyme-disease-spotted-iceman-mummy.html
>>65043462>Why is Russia so incompetentSocialism.
>aral sea>located in kazakhstan and uzbekistan>mostly dried up after the USSR collapsed>russia is to blame somehowwhy is /k/ope obsessed with russia? OP isn't even about weapons btw
>>65046178even doe the USSR was far more successful than either imperial russia or the russian federation>>65045016kys obsessed schizo
>>65046167It's the russian mindset that seeps through their propaganda and manipulation into the brains of of their useful idiots. They are unironically turning them psychotic and schizo, and its by design.
>>65046182Are you seriously trying to play that it ISN'T the Soviet Union's fault for making the Aral sea disappear?
>>65046173>shared ancestral group>what are strainsOne would hope after covid people would in general have a better if vague understanding of pathogen evolution. In fact 6000 years is such an insane amount of evolutionary history for a bacterium genomic comparison like theyre identical is ridiculous, broad cladistics using the genetic backbone is what is being done. The salient feature (lipoprotein) is genetically volatile and it's at least plausible that the 1975 outbreak had something to do with the tickborne pathogen department at plum, who were in the middle of cutting edge bioresearch on the exact pathogen when it happened. Besides, preexistence isnt some kind of inb4 on bioweapons (historically the opposite is true), they've found anthrax in ancient Egyptian tombs after all.
>>65046214Samefag
>>65045706>China's reasonTook them long enough to admit that covid was not just a common flu, so I would not expect them to immediately admit that there could be some bigger problem going with the four legged cattle either.
>>65046191Well, sure, socialist governments always do well for a while after they knock over another country, loot it, and enslave the populace. That worked for both the national socialists and the international (communist) socialists, right up until they stopped being able to conquer new territories. In the latter case, between conquering basically all of eastern Europe (and ruling it during the subsequent peace), and some helpful sales and gifts of food and technology from the West, they were able to stay afloat an extra forty years before the corruption and mismanagement endemic to centralized economies caught up to them.
>>65043462The US allowed lyme disease and ticks to escape containment and spread over 1/3 the country.
>>65046299This but the USSR and AIDS instead of Lyme Disease
Does anyone seriously believe that every major power doesn't have their own clandestine bioweapons research regardless of whatever treaties they are party to?
>>65046238the aral sea was drained to irrigate cotton farms in the uzbek ssr (now uzbekistan). it is still being drained by uzbekistan. russia and the russian ssr had nothing to do with it
>>65046328So it was Uzbekis who had total control over USSR?
>>65043462>Why is Russia so incompetent when it comes to dangerous substances and making sure they don't leak?It's part of Communist nature to ignore an environmental or engineering problem in hopes that it magically solves itself.
>>65046405>environmental or engineeringOr social one for that matter.>magically solves itselfIt seems to do, generally in a form of USA bailing out their failing state for whatever fucked up reason.
>>65046299>lymeIt was never in containment in the first place. Lyme Disease is thousands of years old.
>>65043665Jesus fucking Christ, you retard. Get the fuck away from this thread. You need to have a minimum IQ of 90 points to participate in this discussion. Go chase cars or bark at your neighbors or something like that.
>>65046305Most don't in fact.
>>65044382It just dawned on me: WWIII is essentially gonna happen when the Russians accidentally nuke themselves due to incompetence and retaliate thinking the US launched a preemptive strike.
>>65046353the uzbek ssr did it. the race of those invovled is a different topic, but i checked and the leaders of the uzbek ssr seem to be uzbekis for the most part, especially in the layer years when the aral sea was drained. as a funny aside, they had a zelensky in charge in 1929https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leaders_of_Uzbekistan
>>65046414Nta why dont you explain why he's wrong
>>65046474Sure. But like modern day russia, nothing goes through without direct approval of Moscow.
>>65046416What are you basing that off of? There isn't exactly polling on this subject
>>65046493uzbekistan continued to do it after independence so the uzbeks were in on it at best and the responsible party at worst
