>>65044801
is tank why need roof? american tanks must be very fragile to be under roof

>>65044801
not true, i actually saw it here today
boards.4chan.org/k/thread/65044801

>>65044801

Deploying the T-14 Armata onto the current drone-saturated Ukrainian battlefield would not offer significant improvements that would offset the higher cost of the tank.

It makes more sense to keep them in reserve for either 1) a potential clash with NATO forces or 2) AFU lines collapse and large-scale maneuver becomes possible again

>>65045426
>It makes more sense to keep them in reserve for either 1) a potential clash with NATO forces or 2) AFU lines collapse and large-scale maneuver becomes possible again
they're not real tanks, they're parade floats. they'll never do anything.

>>65045440
>they're not real tanks, they're parade floats. they'll never do anything.
I remember when western officials claimed the same thing about Iranian drones and called them phony mockups in the 2012-2014 era.

And then the first day of the conflict an Iranian drone flew directly into and detonated the largest radome at NSA Bahrain.

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>>65045454
>so when will the t-14 make its glorious combat debut? perhaps it will happen in a couple of weeks?

>>65045426
if russia can't beat ukraine wouldn't they get raped by NATO?

may as well deploy their "reserves" while they can

>>65045480
>HAHAHAH you are winning without utilizing your latest weapons, that means you actually suck!
small consolation for the Ukrainians

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>>65045497
>russia
>winning
pick one turdie

>>65045491
>if russia can't beat ukraine wouldn't they get raped by NATO?
Russia is handily winning the conflict though, it's not even close. Ukraine is going to lose the entire province of Donbass this year and possibly Kharkov and Sumy too. If the Dnieper isnt crossed and Kherson retaken (and then Odessa) in 2026 it will assuredly happen in 2027.

A conflict with NATO would play out differently and would likely remain much more fluid in terms of maneuver, which is exactly where the T-14 upgraded capabilities would come in handy. These upgraded capabilities would just be wasted if you are using them to escort BMPs to the assault location and back like most tanks are currently being used. It's extremely rare for opposing tanks to encounter each other in the current stage of the conflict.

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>>65045509
>Ukraine is going to lose the entire province of Donbass this year and possibly Kharkov and Sumy too.
you fags have been saying that for years now, it's not gonna happen. you meat-bots have zero self awareness

>>65045426
>would not offer significant improvements that would offset the higher cost of the tank.
They wouldn't offer any improvement because they don't fucking work. You don't think the Russians would send out functional tanks to get cubed? They've already dragged a dozen one-off prototypes out of museums to send to the front. The reason the T-14s are rotting in a field is because they're so shitty and broken that mobiks would rather walk than get in one.

>>65045491
They just have to outlast the trump administration and get democrats elected

>>65045426
All pretense of guarding against a NATO incursion was dashed when the western border patrols were all sent to be cubed with no replacements in sight.

>>65045532
>you fags have been saying that for years now, it's not gonna happen. you meat-bots have zero self awareness
I have never said that before but there is objective evidence supporting all those conclusions, Russia has never been a better or more stronger military position in the Donbass, and the AFU has never been weaker or more undermanned than it is right now.

>Sumy
They have entered in multiple areas and established observation points and staging grounds for further moves

>Kharkov
They have already returned to their maximum extent of advances they reached in 2024-2045 and are about to enter the big forest the extends right up to the edge of Kharkov. Volchansk has completely fallen months ago and the entire NE corner of Kharkov around Volchansk is poised to fall right into Russia's lap.

>Donbass
Kostantynovka is half-captured already, the Russians are advancing on Slavyansk quickly from the eastern direction of Siversk, Lyman is in a fire-bag and will fall soon.

Around Pokrovsk the Russians are already pushing towards Dobropilia and will capture it in 2-3 months at most. They have half-captured Biletske which is in the middle between Russian lines and Dobropilia.

Once Dobropilia is captured the Russians can just move north and cut the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration off from supply from behind and it will be the largest encirclement of troops since WW2. Russian officials have all but announced this is their plan, even if they flat-out admitted that was their plan Ukraine is incapable of stopping it at this point anyway.

And this is not even to get into the Russian advance towards Orekhov and then Zaporzhizhia, or how the big AFU 'counteroffensive' their last month has failed to stop the Russians from advancing on Orekhov.

>>65045554
>The reason the T-14s are rotting in a field
Tanks don't rot, they aren't fruit or vegetables. You can park on in an open field for months and its fine as long you have assigned people conducting periodic maintenance.

A picture of a T-14 sitting in a snowy yard tells us absolutely nothing.

>>65045577
>as long you have assigned people conducting periodic maintenance.
Lol, lmao even

>>65045562
This, all of the guarding against NATO rhetoric is just bullshit that they don't actually believe. If they did then Russia wouldn't have stripped the Kurils and Murmansk of their garrisons

>>65045585
>Lol, lmao even
Do you really think a country of 146 million people is incapable of finding, training and retaining technicians who can perform maintenance on a tank when that same country has extensive experience both in heavy industry and in producing much more technologically-difficult and manufacturing-intensive military gear like 5th fighter jets, nuclear submarines, nuclear icebreakers, hypersonic missiles etc?

>>65045571
Just 2 more years!

>>65045595
>If they did then Russia wouldn't have stripped the Kurils and Murmansk of their garrisons
They simultaneously created a new army district centered in St. Petersburg though which would be focusing on operations in that area though.

>the Kurils
Obviously neither Japan nor NATO is going to try sneak-attacking Russia on some tiny far-eastern Islands. And if Japan tried anything Russia's precision long-range capabilities far outstrip Japan's.

>>65045599
If they worked, no one would bother maintaining them because they would be sent to the front and destroyed. They're sitting in a field because they're so fucking worthless that they're not even worth soaking up a landmine or drone-dropped RPG. Of course no one is going to be assigned to maintain them, they have a backlog of T-62s to fix up and ship to the front.

Lel, do we really have a real
>it is not the real Russian army
zigger here?

>>65045610
>If they worked, no one would bother maintaining them because they would be sent to the front and destroyed.
This is just blindly assuming that they wouldn't be kept in reserve for a clash with NATO or to use when the AFU's lines collapses and large-scale maneuver becomes possible and even easy.

Blind assumptions are not credible arguments.

>>65045624
Russia is currently curb-stomping Ukraine without using its T-14s, which frankly makes Ukraine (and its NATO backers) look worse than if Russia was doing so while using its T-14s

>>65045624
it sure seems that way

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>>65045628
>Russia is currently curb-stomping Ukraine
fucking lol, that must be why they're sending cunts on escooters to their deaths

>>65045628
>Russia is currently curb-stomping Ukraine without using its T-14s,
is this what the third-world actually believes?

>>65045637
>fucking lol, that must be why they're sending cunts on escooters to their deaths
In areas of widespread drone saturation, large armored columns are ineffective for advancing, the only effective advance way to advance is either

1) small groups of individual men or groups of 2-3 slowly infiltrate into/around the objective over days/weeks and then attack all at once

2) Rapid insertion using dispersed troops on motorcycles, buggies, etc

Even the motorcycle tactics have been admitted to sometimes be effective by the Ukrainians themselves which is why the Ukrainians now have specialized motorcycle squads.

An e-scooter is just a less effective motorcycle really, it's faster than walked but not as fast as a motorcycle. Russian use of e-scooters has been very rare, and its not even clear in the few videos taken of troops using scooters that they were going on attack instead of just resupply or troop rotation.

>>65045599
>Do you really think a country of 146 million people is incapable of finding, training and retaining technicians who can perform maintenance
Yeah.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a34976195/russias-nuclear-submarine-graveyard/

>>65045509
Did you miss that russians gains have stopped and actually reversed?

>>65045657
>is this what the third-world actually believes?
"Curb-stomp" may be a slight exaggeration, but any serious analyst following this war cannot dispute that Russia is clearly winning heavily. They are making steady progress towards their objectives, and every year the AFU gets smaller and weaker and less capable of attacking or holding group.

The last strategic offensive Ukraine launched was almost 2 years ago in 2024, and they were already on the back-foot then and the Kursk incursion was intended (but failed) to stop the Russian advances from Avdiivka towards Pokrovsk.

Since then the Ukrainians have only been able to conduct small local counter-offensives, no strategic offensives. And even these small counter-offensives require them to weaken the entire frontline by pulling elite troops from elsewhere, since regular AFU units are mostly all demoralized pressganged conscripts that were abducted in mobile vans and only the elite units are now capable of attacking.

Ukraine's electricity and energy situation has never been worse. Russia's electricity and energy are fine.

>>65045407
>Laughs in countless Soviet tech turret tosses.

>>65045509
I cannot even tell what is b8 anymore. Turdies truly are that fucking stupid.

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>>65045675
>Did you miss that russians gains have stopped and actually reversed?
Did you miss that the Ukrainian gains were only in 1 small area of the entire frontline around Andriivka and the Russians have already recaptured Ternuvate (or more likely never left it)?

Or did you miss the fact that the Russians continued to advanced westwards towards Orekov in that exact same area as the counter-offensive while it was ongoing, and that roughly half the distance from Hulaypole to Orekov has already been reached by the Russians.

Does this picture look like a success for the AFU to you?

>>65045554
The real reason is no one is trained to use it and they can't make any because the optical setup was made in France.

Remember the "parade ready" unit they had didn't even know how the tanks emergency brake worked. They likely don't even have trainers trained for it.

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>>65045693
>Turdies truly are that fucking stupid.
And yet here I was in January 2026 predicting that Iran would close the straight of Hormuz when attacked, that it would fuck with the world economy and that the US would be unable to stop it.

And /k/ mocked my post.

4 months later I was proven right and we are currently being treated to semi-weekly tantrums on X by Trump who is enraged that 1) the US military cannot force open Hormuz & 2) No other country will do it for him.

Maybe you should listen to "turdies" more and you might actually learn something.

>>65045717
Sure you did. The whole fucking world knew about Hormuz, that was literally what had held every former president back. Its a fucking textbook example of outsized geopolitical leverage.

>>65045627
Anon, a dozen T-14s wouldn't change a war with NATO any more than they would change a war with Ukraine. Not only is Russia sending out the very best tanks in their arsenal, the T-80BVM, T-90M and T-72B3M Obr.2023, they're also sending out advanced one-off prototypes like the T-80UM2. The reason we're not seeing the T-14 in use is not because they're somehow more irreplaceable than these vehicles, it's because it's not useful.

>>65045721
I think Trump knew for a long time then finally got enough dementia to forget

>>65045721
>Sure you did. The whole fucking world knew about Hormuz
Yea, but the majority of /k/ was under the delusion that the USA possessed the ability to force it open.

>>65045704
This isn't it either, they have the crews that operated them for the formal evaluation.
>But Russia wouldn't waste that kind of expertise on the front lines!
Like they wouldn't waste their gold medalist tank biathlon crew on the front lines, right? They give no shits about expertise, they need meat.

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For Russia, it's actually better to NOT store your lostech under roofs long term

>>65045571
And it only took them longer than it took to push from Stalingrad to Berlin!

>>65045697
>1266x855
Are you actually posting from a crusty old tablet?

>>65045755
No, im using a laptop that has 4k resolution, that's just what happens when you screengrab someones google map and copy and paste it into microsoft paint

>>65045599
>Do you really think Russia is incapable of maintaining tanks?
Yes my dear hordesman, we do

>>65045697
>Does this picture look like a success for the AFU to you?
This picture of area I hear for years that it should be already under red

>>65045748
>And it only took them longer than it took to push from Stalingrad to Berlin!
Yes, modern 21st century warfare has fundamentally changed since WW2, this is not news to anyone.

The advent of widespread ISR capabilities, omnipresent drone coverage, remote mining capabilities etc means that a smaller and mismatched force can greatly slow down the advance of a larger and better equipped force in the right circumstances, such as if the smaller force has secure supply lines and there is no area for the large force to maneuver around the smaller one. This takes a large toll on the smaller force, and the AFU has suffered horrendous casualties.

>>65045769
>This picture of area I hear for years that it should be already under red
According to what standard? According to standards based on wars that occurred before omnipresent drone coverage? Applying that standard to a war that is fundamentally different is nonsensical.

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>>65045426
>Deploying the T-14 Armata onto the current drone-saturated Ukrainian battlefield would not offer significant improvements that would offset the higher cost of the tank.
>It makes more sense to keep them in reserve for

04.04.2026
Tanks — 11835 (+2)
Armored fighting vehicle — 24344 (+4)
Artillery systems — 39378 (+85)
MLRS — 1716 (+3)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1338
Planes — 435
Helicopters — 350
UAV — 217016 (+2387)
Cruise missiles — 4517 (+26)
Ships (boats) — 33
Submarines — 2
Cars and cisterns — 87149 (+199)
Special equipment — 4109
Military personnel — aprx. 1302370 people (+1110)

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>>65045426
>1) a potential clash with NATO forces or 2) AFU lines collapse and large-scale maneuver becomes possible again

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>>65045509
>Russia is handily winning the conflict though
04.04.2026
Tanks — 11835 (+2)
Armored fighting vehicle — 24344 (+4)
Artillery systems — 39378 (+85)
MLRS — 1716 (+3)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1338
Planes — 435
Helicopters — 350
UAV — 217016 (+2387)
Cruise missiles — 4517 (+26)
Ships (boats) — 33
Submarines — 2
Cars and cisterns — 87149 (+199)
Special equipment — 4109
Military personnel — aprx. 1302370 people (+1110)

>>65045789
Nobody takes Ukraine's numbers seriously, they are a complete joke, especially after Kiev has been caught lying an innumerable amount of times about 90% shootdown rates on the same night videos of a bunch of drones and missiles slamming into targets in Ukraine are posted.

Jesus, if i could harvest vatnik cope for fuel, i could drive around for free for the next three years by harvesting this thread alone.

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>>65045509
>Ukraine is going to lose the entire province of Donbass this year and possibly Kharkov and Sumy too. If the Dnieper isnt crossed and Kherson retaken (and then Odessa) in 2026 it will assuredly happen in 2027.

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>>65045804
>Nobody takes Ukraine's numbers seriously, they are a complete jok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZY3A2Lb6EM

I wish less Ukrainians would die. They do not deserve to die, on braixnem.

>>65045804
so are you an acuual russian or just a thirdie simping tor them?

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>>65045697
>Did you miss that the Ukrainian gains were only in 1 small area of the entire frontline around Andriivka

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>>65045509
>Russia is handily winning the conflict though

>>65045836

>The extinction of the T-90M
Russia has gone from a fleet of around 70 or 80 T-90Ms in 2022 to having a fleet of around 600-800 T-90Ms today. Just last year alone they produced over 100.

>>65045852
Gay hasbara retard spamming shitty reaction gifs to try (and fail) to make the thread reach the image limit

>>65045862
I like how the t-14 looks though and this is a self reply

>>65045843
>so are you an acuual russian or just a thirdie simping tor them?
Neither, I'm an American who wishes to see American soverginity restored over our own government, and the Zionist and other foreign agents kicked out of our country and the halls of power.

Hostility to Russia is driven by bunch of Jewish Neocons seething over the Czar and pogroms (which mostly happened in Ukraine by Ukrainian peasants and not in Russian anyways ironically)

The US has no strong reason to be hostile to Russia or vice-versa and we have more to gain from cooperating.

Coping and seething over military realities doesn't help the AFU in their losing struggle against Russia, it merely harms US readiness by projecting a false image of our adversaries (like for example, the false idea that Iran was out of missiles from the 12 day war and not capable of fighting back)

>>65045869
>I'm an American
post hands gun and outlet

>>65045869
Shockingly true: a lot of Russian hate is guided by jew saltiness over the Pale of Settlement and pogroms.. though that isn't to say that the Russians don't have issues with their society... but I didn't expect to see a take like this on K.

Thoughts on the T-14? I like that it can be outfitted with a toilet.

>>65045571
Did you learn that in a dream? Was it on Hindustan Times?

>>65045869
>'m an American who wishes to see ... *looks up lastest lines for useful idiots and the quotes them in verbatim*
yeah
>The US has no strong reason to be hostile to Russia or vice-versa and we have more to gain from cooperating.
okay, this has to be bait

>>65045855
>Just last year alone they produced over 100.
And all 100 of them have been destroyed.

>>65045911
He is right though: besides Putin being a nazi bigot America shares a lot in common with Russia.

Both are economic zones built on excess, ruled by oligarchs.

But I wish someone would post T-14 photos. Maybe I will use them in arma

>65045571
Nice to know what they are reporting to czar monke.

>>65045923
>they are both le the same bad
i need to make a bingo with these

>>65045941
Yes, both nations which are controlled by oligarchs are bad - Russia is slightly less so since their oligarchs aren't (openly at least) pedophiles unlike Americas.

That said, hopefully Russia decreases American (American specifically, not Western) power and ends up having a revolt or social change to fix their own issues.

>>65045958
no, you need to stop replying to me and to use other posts as an excuse and vehicle to post your pre-scripted drivel
feels like talking to a 3B llm that's been quanted too hard

>>65045773
And what about Russian casualties?

>>65045958
So you expect a civil war in America will have a POSITIVE outcome? As opposed to just inviting more death and destruction around the world?

>>65045609
Russias precision long range capabilities dont even outstrip Ukraine much less Japan

>>65045671
Ukraine seems to be pushing the russians back using armoured vehicles and assault units just fine so it looks to me like a skill issue.
They've been forced over the oskil and out of kupyansk in the north, and in the south the Ukrainians have seized the equivalent of a years worth of Russian gains in a month.

>>65045741
The trump cultists were under that delusion, anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knew better because we saw what Ukraine did to Russia in the black sea

>>65045967
I'll put it in terms you can understand: suck my dick so I can blow your head open after, faggot. Your lack of articulation isn't my lack of a point.

If there is one good thing the russians have done it is their rape culture: only the raped (you) is gay.

>>65046050
I didn't say anything about a civil war but America certainly deserves one considering how many civil wars they have caused elsewhere, also, it would only affect America.

>>65045804
You can get 1.2 million killed or permanently crippled russians using the russian MODs own numbers
>recruit 30k troops a year for 4 years
>everyone who joins is in for the duration
>army stays the same size
A grim picture, painted entirely with official russian government figures

Disappointed, it's not even indiana vatnik again, it's just some terminally butthurt pussian

>>65046041
>And what about Russian casualties?
Much less than Ukraine’s, and demographically not an issue. Much less than other full scale wars against industrial nation-states Russia has fought in the past.

The AFU is at this point 700,000 KIA at a bare minimum and that is *extremely* conservative, a more realistic estimate would be 850,000-1,300,000 KIA with another million as wounded casualties who dont return to fighting.

The Telegraph and other outlets in 2025 said Ukraine has at least 40,000 amputees while the non-profit aid foundation Direct Relief has said as many as from 50,000 to 100,000 amputees.

The normal average ratio of amputee is traditionally estimated to be roughly 1 amputee per every 10 to 20 men KIA.

If we use the 20 KIA calculation then:

40,000 x 20 = 800,000
100,000 x 20 = 2,000,000

So, numbers like 1,000,000 million AFU KIA are actually not at all fantastical or unrealistic when you account for there being 40,000-100,000 Ukrainian amputees already.

I would estimate Russian losses to be around 250,000-400,000 KIA with roughly a million wounded.

Remember, Mediazona has only identified about 206,000 Russian KIA as of right now.

It’s a tragedy for both sides and their families of course, but 500,000 is nothing for a country of ~140 million, whereas Ukraines demographics are in a crisis and it’s unclear how many of the tens of millions of Ukrainians who left will ever return. Russia actually gains much more in population from the 4 oblasts (and likely more to come…) than it loses in KIA. Ukraine is taking heavy KIA while also losing its civilian population by the tens of millions due to a combination of Russian annexation and refugees fleeing elsewhere in Europe.

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>>65044801
Where is this?

>>65046053
>Russias precision long range capabilities dont even outstrip Ukraine much less Japan
ok retard

Ukraine doesnt have any capabilities of its own except for vaporware like Flamingo, it only receives foreign gear that Russias AD has already adapted to shooting down.

The Russian Iskander missile has a range of 400-500km while reaching speeds of Mach 6-7 in the terminal phase, this alone is already more advanced than anything currently deployed by the entirety of NATO + Japan; nothing they possess has the same combination of range and speed or exceeds it. And the Zircon is more advanced than the Iskander and has a range of 800–1,000km and reaches Mach 8-9. And the Oreshnik is even more advanced than the Zircon.

Russia is the #1 Missile power on Earth currently.

Iran currently has more advanced missiles deployed right now than the entirety of NATO LMAO, it’s not the 1990’s anymore.

>>65046165
>Iran currently has more advanced missiles deployed right now than the entirety of NATO LMAO, it’s not the 1990’s anymore.
Now this is quality bait.

>>65045509
The Russians might BEGIN a potential 1 year long siege of Kostyantynivka some time this year. Let alone even touching Kramatorsk or Sloviansk

>>65046066
>Ukraine seems to be pushing the russians back using armoured vehicles and assault units just fine so it looks to me like a skill issue.
No, that was a brief localized counter-offensive in the Zaporizhia area that took some small villages and empty fields south of Andriivka, but the whole point of that offensive was to erase the Russian gains over the Haichur River (including Ternuvate) and stop the Russians advancing west to Orekhok.

This failed on both counts because the Russians continued to advance west towards Orekhov from Hulaypole while also retaining their positions west of the Haichur river including in Ternuvate.

>and in the south the Ukrainians have seized the equivalent of a years worth of Russian
The Russians only took like a month or 2 to storm through that area last year when they were quickly advancing on Hulaypole before swiftly capturing it and storming over the Haichur river, and they can take back those areas south of Andrivvka back pretty easily, they are already surrounded by Russians on 3 sides.

>They've been forced over the oskil and out of kupyansk in the north
False, Russin troops have repeatedly been geolocated in the northern outskirt areas of Kupyansk west of the Oskil river in recent weeks, and the AFU pocket on the eastern side of the Oskil has been massively reduced in size. At most the Russians were ejected from the center of Kupyansk, they are back in Kupyask now if they ever even left.

>>65046071
that's nice sweety, but it doesn't make your shill attempts and useful idiot lines go away

>>65046203
You are ruled by pedophiles and won't do shit about it. The truth is you are probably one too, running cover.

Hang em, hang em, hang em high!

>>65046177
>Now this is quality bait.
It’s not bait: it’s an objective fact and you are delusional if you think otherwise.

Iran has been documented striking Israel in recent weeks with Medium Range Ballistic Missiles that possesses the following characteristics:

1) Exhibiting a dispersed group of munitions in a moving coordinated group which are either cluster warheads or penetration aids

2) Engaging in evasive maneuvers during terminal phase

The entirety of NATO does not have any working MRBM deployed that possesses either of the above characteristics.

Therefore, it’s an objective fact to state “Iran currently has more advanced missiles deployed than the entirety of NATO”, and we have objective video of this.

Hey morons, stop giving this vatnigger free (you)s, by this point not even russians believe their own propaganda but he still has to pay for his now heavily restricted internet and vodka, you are replying to a bot who can't even post evidence and just contradicts whatever you reply.

>65046209
For fuck's sake he is even using AI to answer you.

>>65046208
oh he mad now
sry russia and its tanks especially the over-shilled armata are so shit
dont get a stroke or you know what? get a stroke but make a flip while you are at it

>>65046223
How many ruble you just gave this asshole? At least remove the ">" when talking to him.

>>65046223
I am interested in the T-14 because it is new and hasn't really seen use.

But also you suck baby penises because you are an epsteinian american

>>65046188
>The Russians might BEGIN a potential 1 year long siege of Kostyantynivka some time this year.
LOL

you are like 6-8 months behind current events my guy

This is the current situation in Kostantinyvka, or is actually a conservative estimate. The red patch you see in the middle is where Russian troops have already been geolocated in the center of Kostantinyvka on the western side of the river, but its not colored as full Russian control because its thought to be a contested area still.

The Russians have entirely cut off AFU supply into part of the city on the western side of the river, all the bridges are gone. The city will be fully captured by September by the latest, more likely by July or early August.

>>65046228
Suck my bbc

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>>65046234
forgot picture

>65046230
>I am interested in the T-14
is that why you keep talking about why russia and america share so many things and should be friends?
>>65046228
good call
i'm currently watching him or equally retarded vatnik glue sniffers do the same spiel in three more threads he is pulling here
dunno if its the start of the month and they still can pay their shills or the iran thing made their inflated ego get even more inflated

>>65046284
Not even that guy. I was criticizing both. I hope you kill yourself since you are probably a child rapist.

>65046307
Multi/pol/ar trons get zero (you)s, vatnigger annihilation will continue until morale improves.

>65046307
no that is not true
but i did start the cuba crisis on a hell bender
the details are lost to me though
and i was ordered to turn the armata into a piece of shit of a tank
but it was already that so i just said i did and took the money

do you hear the lam... armatas, clarice? screaming at full force while they move over a flat area of grass...

>>65045426
>keep in reserve
Without working engines?

>>65045609
>a new army district
An army district without troops?

>>65046165
>vapourware liek Flamingo
Wow, Russia must be truly shit to keep losing so much stuff to "vapourware".

>muh shitskander
You forgot to mention it's barely able to hit civilian residential areas, and gets regularily merked by old western air defenses. Meanwhile, even ukrainian "vapourware" is flying through the vaunted russian air defneses as if they don't exist.

>the Oreshnik
Oh, you mean the actual useless vapoourware piece of shit that couldn't even properly hit a factory?

>Russia is the #1 Missile power on Earth currently.
#1 at missing and failing to defend itself against ukrainian "vapourware" missiles, that is.

>>65046209
>1) Exhibiting a dispersed group of munitions in a moving coordinated group which are either cluster warheads or penetration aids
>2) Engaging in evasive maneuvers during terminal phase
So Iran is where NATO was 50 years ago, fielding weapons with characterstics matching ones NATO has decommissioned to to obsolescence and replaced with superior weapons decades ago. Gotcha.

Therefoire, it is anmm objectiv efact to state "Russia and Iran are currently technologically hopelessly outmatched by NATO in aöll regards, and lying and cloöping are their onmly avaiable recourses", and you are the objective proof of this.

>>65045491
nato's only relevant country is currently losing to iran, and the others pussied out. zero chance of nato going to war with russia and winning

>>65046234
>The red patch you see is where the Russians sacrificed some cannon meat for a meaningless flag-showing exercise or just outright lied about things as they always do, all while they remain stuck outside the city and unable to properly besiege it
FTFY.

>The Russians have entirely cut off AFU supply into part of the city
May we see it?

>The city will be fully captured by September by the earliest
FTFY. September 2027, that is. More likely at current rate of Russia losing ground, never.

>>65046331
>iskander is a failure because... umm... it just is okay?
get a new script from your hander ASAP. the iskander is a proven system with a long list of successes, and also one that was never reliably interceptable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_Iskander
meanwhile if you look at what the FP-5 flamingo managed, 3/4 of it is either getting shot down or failing to destroy its target
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-5_Flamingo

>>65046130

If you wanna start using historic trends to estimate causalities, there should be a 3:1 ratio for Russian to Ukrainian losses. Mediazona figures are an absolute lowest count, not an overall estimate.

>>65046130
>At least five times higher than Ukraines, and demographically catastrophic.
FTFY.

>The AFU is at this point 700,000 KIA at a bare minimum
That means Russia is at this point 3,500,000 KIA at a bar eminimum, given proven and undeniable casualty rates. An utterly catastrophic figure given the already poor demographic pre-war situation.

>
The Telegraph and other outlets in 2025 said Ukraine has at least 40,000 amputees while the non-profit aid foundation Direct Relief has said as many as from 50,000 to 100,000 amputees.

Okay, so Ukraines casualties derived from these numbers are less than 1/5th of the mninimum number of confirmed russian casualties.

>The normal average ratio of amputee is traditionally estimated to be roughly 1 amputee per every 10 to 20 men KIA.
By who, Russia and its sub-third world tier CASEVAC and military healthcare systems?

>So, numbers like 1,000,000 million AFU KIA are actually not at all fantastical or unrealistic
Which at known casualty rates would mean numbers like 5,000,000 million RuAF KIA are actually not at all fantastic or unrealistic. Probably more, given the utter inferiority of Russias CASEVAC and medical support.

>I would estimate Russian losses to be around 250,000-400,000 KIA with roughly a million wounded.
From which we then would have to derive Ukrainian losses to be around 50,000-80,000 KIA with roughly 200,000 WIA.

Remember, Mediazona at the most conservative estiomate undercounts Russian KIA by more than a factor of 10. More likely would be a factor of 20-30.

Even 1.5 millionm (and we're closer to 3 now) million is a catastrophe that will take generations to recover from for a country with Russias demographics. Whereas Ukraines demographics are looking not ideal, but quite capable of continuing this war till long after Russias total collapse. Russia has gained functionally nothing from the scraps it managed to take, having already sent all useful manpower from there to die

>>65045869
Cool story, Indiana vatnigger.

>>65045571
Except, you know, all obkjective evidence shows that Russia has never been in a weaker or more desperate military position in this war, barring the inital massive rout in 2022. Meanwhile, the AFU has preserved its manpower strength in the field and improved in all other regards, leavimng it stronger than it has bee n at any other point in this war. As visible by the virtually total lack of further russian advances over the last 8 weeks, and the increasingly bolder ukrainian advances that by this point have already erased near half a years worth of russian sacrifices in less than one third that time.

>>65045689
Any seriosu analyst following this war cannot dispute that Russia is clearly losing, and increasingly catastrophically so. They are making no significant progress towards their objectives, and every year then AFU has grown larger and stronger and more capable of both holding the line and pushing it back in counterattacks. It has reached the point that RUSSIA is now losing ground overall.

The last offensive Ukraine launched began earlier this year, and within less than 10 weeks has already erased nearly 6 mponbths worth of preceeding russian advances. And it is showing no sign of stopping.

Russia, meanwhile, has since then been unable to conduct anything remotely resembling a succesful attack, and those they attempted in the menatime have all met with either little to no gains or been catastrophically annihilated, steadily weakening the russian frontlines and speeding up AFU advances. The bhighly-motivated volunteer regulars of the AFU are pushing along multiple axes of the frontlines now, and the press-ganged canjnonm meat of the Kremlin has shown incapable of stopping them.

Russias infrastructure, economy and electricity situations have never been worse. Their energy sector is facing the propsect of total collapse due to sanctions, the steady destruction of the shadow fleet and the disastrous loss of oil export infrastructure over the last few weeks.

Russia is losing the war. It is losingit so badly that it is becoming more and more likely that there will no longer be a Russia by the end of it. Seethe more about it, vatnigger. Your time to die in a ditch in eastern Ukraine for the tzar will come all the same.

>>65045426
Well yes, deploying a tank that has no working engine and no spare parts supply would indeed be silly. This has nothing to do with drones, though.

>>65045509
careful, this board bans people who talk the truth of this war

>>65046427
>Any seriosu analyst following this war cannot dispute that Russia is clearly losing, and increasingly catastrophically so. They are making no significant progress towards their objectives
meanwhile Ukraine is making negative progress
>and every year then AFU has grown larger and stronger and more capable of both holding the line and pushing it back in counterattacks
amd Russia hasn't? if you've kept up with war developments, you'd know that Russia has gained a lot of experience and improved a lot of technology (e.g. drones, glide bombs and missiles)

>>65046490
Anon, Russia's advance is so much slower than a snail that the snail has already reached Poland, applied for asylum, gotten an apartment and started a small business. If that strikes you as a sustainable pace then I don't really know what to tell you.
There is no world in which Russia is going to accomplish any of its actual goals here through force of arms. If we assume current rates of advance it would be decades before they reclaim territory that they had people in on day one of the full scale invasion.
Ukraine's goal is to remain independent and ideally reclaim its pre-2022 or pre-2014 borders. Russia's is to turn Ukraine into a puppet.
Please explain to me how you see the former ceasing and the latter taking place based on the current state of play.

>>65046513
>If we assume current rates of advance
Something no serious analyst would ever do, and which would get you fired from a job as a professional analyst and reprimanded by your CO in the military if you tried to hand in a finalized major report which was premised on that assumption.

In an attrition war, when the tipping point is reached the territorial gains of the winning side typically cease to be linear and they start to expand grow exponentially.

The AFU is losing manpower, and especially trained manpower capable of attacking, at a faster rate then the AFU can replenish them, the converse is not true for Russia. This sets up a build-in tipping point in favor of the Russians that its only a matter of time to reach.

>>65046604
*the converse IS true for Russia (their recruitment more than compensates for losses)

>>65046604
I hoped it was obvious I wasn't saying that the current state of play will continue indefinitely.
What I'm asking is what you think that tipping point actually looks like. Right now, Ukraine is inflicting considerably disproportionate casualties on Russia, who seem to be reaching the limits of their capacity to regenerate them. I'm not saying it's impossible for Ukraine to break first but I want more than that.
Tell me where you think this goes from here. I'm curious.

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>>65045923
>economic zones built on excess
>Russia
You have to be retarded and know literally nothing about russia
>ruled by oligarchs
If tomorrow you carried out the most 100% honest and truthful elections in russia, all the same people would be in power "its le government, the people are innocent" is the most bogus bullshit this world has ever witnessed

>>65046307
>accusing people of being child rapists
>sucks off russians
Pick one anon, those are fundamentally contradictory points

>>65046364
You are comparing a long range missile to an oversized drone

>>65046608
>What I'm asking is what you think that tipping point actually looks like. Right now, Ukraine is inflicting considerably disproportionate casualties on Russia
I personally find that doubtful in light of Russia dropping around 200-250 KABS on a daily basis in order to completely destroy any building or fortification or treeline that it wants anywhere alone the frontline in order to eliminate a particularly troublesome spot, or to prepare the ground for a particular advance, while Ukraine does not have a similar ability to inflict massive destruction in targeted areas anywhere at little to no risk (outside of very rare instances of the planes being ambushed with Patriots etc).

>who seem to be reaching the limits of their capacity to regenerate them.
In what way? They still have multiple 10s of millions of men of the proper age who underwent mandatory military training who have not yet participated.

We're going for a zigger metodichka bingo with this one.

>>65045789
>Artillery systems — 39378 (+85)
Damn, what caused this spike?

>>65046608
>Tell me where you think this goes from here. I'm curious.
The geography of Ukraine means that every Oblast that is East of the Dnieper river has a multiplying effect and makes it easier to capture every other Oblast. Russia's two main fronts are the central Donbass one and the advance towards Zaporizhia City, which the Russians clearly intend to capture as soon as they are able to, and it won't be difficult as it sits on the eastern side of the Dnieper and can be surrounded from 3 sides without crossing the Dnieper.

Russia is going to keep pushing these 2 fronts 2026-2027, and possibly expand its incursions into Sumy and Kharkov this Summer as way to stretch AFU reserves and immobilize them. If the AFU cannot defend the north adequately, Russia will take advantage of this and take as much as it can, but if the AFU can fight fierce enough they make keep it solely as an operation to stretch the AFU while focusing on the 2 main fronts.

The way they've expanded control of much of the Sumy border looks like preparations for something.

When Zaporizhia and Donbass Oblasts have both fallen (maybe somewhere in 2027 at the earliest or 2029 at the latest) except for the part of Zaporizhia west of the river, Russia will likely then make an attempt to cross the Dnieper in force around Kherson and nearby villages that is simultaneous with a big push in north somewhere, if they already control Zaporizhia and are pushing towards Dniepropetrovsk City from the south then it wont be especially hard to cross the river especially if they are doing so over a 80-100 kilometer span of it. Then from Kherson to Nikolaev and Odessa and then it's really over. The AFU could try to still defend Kiev or the west of the country but there would be no point and I dont the AFU would be able to put up significant resistance then anyway.

>>65045717
>detonate America's economy
$3 is still in the mid-state and even lower in other area. Iran got fucked and have no one to bail them out, not even chink or puccia. Doomposting is not going to work

>>65046694
>Damn, what caused this spike?
The latest delivery from Colombia to the Presidential Office was fish scale

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>>65044801
I think they spent all the money, none left for roof!
Its actually kind of hard to figure out how much was spent on development, only article I ever saw was-
https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/02/14/russias-t-14-armata-tank-may-feature-a-fatal-flaw.aspx
>To date, Russia has invested 15 billion rubles ($239 million) in developing the Armata tank, and budgeted 39 billion ($622 million) more

Which was quite a long time ago (11yr) so who knows what went on since, but the price ended up somewhere around $8-9mil USD for each tank, which isn't much for a 55t shitbox that couldn't even get its X-type engine working for any length of time and the rest was kvetching about sanctions fucking them in the mouth and ass at the same time
Regardless, even the Russian MOD wouldn't buy it, then they were going to buy 2400 of them by 2020 and then it was last seen screaming like an unpaid whore around a racetrack somewhere and wasn't really seen again except on parade days.

>>65046702
>Iran got fucked and have no one to bail them out,
They now have control of Hormuz and have a toll booth system to enter/leave and the USA can't do jack shit about it.

In normal transmit times, such a toll booth could produce up to $100 billion annually in perpetuity, which is more than twice their annual federal budget.

Meanwhile, the US used up 70-80% of its JASSMS already and is losing more planes both in the air and on the tarmac to Iran as every week goes by. The US is not going to keep this up indefinitely (mid-terms and possible impeachment coming up!), when its over Iran's government, its missile factories, its reactors and its Hormuz tollbooth will all be intact.

>>65045454
Are you confusing the saheed with the qaher-313?

>>65046714
>have a toll booth system to enter/leave
Iran shell every ship that pass the strait, even fucking chink, French and other Europe ships and the only nation that can go is Pakistan. Not to mention, they are getting their ass fucked and their primary goal is now to survive and that "$100 billion annually" you pulled out of nowhere (probably from a zigger source because 70-80% of JASSMS came from nowhere) will probably being pocketed by other so they can escape
>possible impeachment coming up!!!!
Zigger retard thinks that another impeachment will teach Trump, you tried in 2016, 2020 and even 2024 but you failed so hard now it's now being forgotten, even with the Epstein file because Trump are vindicated by the FBI to be innocent.

>>65046737
>even fucking chink, French and other Europe ships and the only nation that can go is Pakistan
You have not been paying attention, the Iranians have allowed a French owned ship to pay to transit after France blocked the UNSC resolution against Iran. Chinese owned and Indian owned ships have paid Iran to transit as well.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/04/03/french-ship-crosses-strait-of-hormuz-in-first-western-european-transit-during-iran-war

> because 70-80% of JASSMS came from nowhere
Try Bloomberg Nigger, and no I wont post it for you because its paywalled but you can see everyone and their mom citing the exact quotes all over X. Grok is already quoting from the Bloomberg reports


>More than 1,000 JASSM-ER missiles were expended in the first four weeks of the conflict alone.
>Some sources describe the total as "more than a thousand" or even "thousands" of JASSM missiles used so far (including both the baseline JASSM and JASSM-ER), often launched from B-52, B-1B bombers, and strike fighters.
>Pre-war inventory of JASSM-ER: Approximately 2,300 missiles.
>After heavy use and redeployment of nearly the entire stockpile to the Iran theater (including pulling from Pacific and U.S. reserves): Only about 425 JASSM-ER remain available globally for other contingencies. Roughly 75 additional missiles are considered unserviceable (due to damage or technical issues).
>This means the U.S. has committed or used roughly 80%+ of its JASSM-ER stockpile for the Iran campaign, leaving very limited reserves worldwide. The shorter-range baseline JASSM has also seen significant use, with about two-thirds of overall JASSM-family stockpiles allocated to Iran.
>Note: These figures come from anonymous U.S. officials and defense reporting (e.g., Bloomberg) as of early April 2026. The Pentagon does not publicly disclose precise munition expenditure counts. Production is ramping up, but replenishing these expensive (~$1.5 million each) precision missiles takes time.

>>65046737
>Zigger retard thinks that another impeachment will teach Trump
Have you even paid attention to the polls on Iran?

>>65046758
>"b-but the polls!!!"
Poll doesn't determine a president will get impeach or not lmao, it's the Congress. Get your fucking fact straight, brownoid

>>65046755
>faggot is now lying because his source of lying got exposed
Nigger, Bloomberg even stated that
>After the moves, only about 425 JASSM-ER out of a prewar inventory of 2,300 will remain available for the rest of the globe. That would be roughly enough for 17 B-1B bombers on a single mission. Another 75 or so are “unserviceable” because of damage or technical faults.
What this mean is that the America if they are going ham enough, this WILL be what's left but they did not say that America can re-manufacture this. Keep that in mind that the same Bloomberg said that U.S was running out of artillery shell in 2023 so you can go shove it in your ass with that source. They know nothing about war production

>>65046766
>Poll doesn't determine a president will get impeach or not lmao, it's the Congress.
and..... what's happening in the mid-terms in relation to Congress? and..... what are the polls indicative of?

Another GOP senator besides Rand Paul also abandoned ship yesterday on any more funding without a formal war declaration, which will never happen.

Trump cannot even continue for more than another few months at most without explicit congressional appropriation of the funds to do so, that's why they already asked Congress for more money.

>>65046788
>but they did not say that America can re-manufacture this
Hilarious cope response to me being proven right but that won't work because China already cut off Tungsten exports, the rebuilding is thus not happening anytime within the next 4-5 years. With work on alternative sources of Tungsten maybe in 8-10 years.

>>65046797
Stockpiles exist outside of China. Besides, how much tungsten is used in a cruise missile? An ounce or two at most?

>>65046793
>what are the polls indicative of
Nothing, Trump will sit his ass in the White House and the Congress will let him do what the fuck he wants with Iran (like how Obama did).

>>65046797
>China already cut off Tungsten exports
nigger keeps pulling his news source out of facebook reels. They did not because that would be shooting themselves in the foot. Even then America have their own tungsten mine and a cruise missile requires little tungsten

>>65046809
>Besides, how much tungsten is used in a cruise missile? An ounce or two at most?
Rebuilding just one JASSM takes a few hundred kilograms of tungsten alloy. Rebuilding the entire lost stockpile just from the Iran conflict requires hundreds of metric tons—a scale that directly collides with China’s export cutoff. Global non-Chinese tungsten supply is tiny by comparison, and new U.S./allied mines and processing plants won’t reach full scale for years. This is why the Pentagon is treating tungsten as a top-tier chokepoint and is aggressively friend-shoring, recycling, and stockpiling.
These figures focus on warhead tungsten only (the main driver). Actual production also needs tungsten for manufacturing tools and minor parts, but the warhead alloy dominates the requirement. Replenishment timelines are already stretched by the China cutoff, which is exactly why JASSM output is being throttled right now.

- Grok

>>65046828
>using Grok as a source now
Kill yourself, thirdie

>>65046820
>They did not because that would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes because tungsten exports is a huge percent of their GDP

>nigger keeps pulling his news source out of facebook reels
All the rare earth and critical mineral bans on military-related exports to hostile foreign countries reported by MSM earlier in the year remains in effect, and they require certification for non-military use.

>>65046834
cope

>>65046811
>and the Congress will let him do what the fuck he wants with Iran (like how Obama did).
The difference is that a war costs money and Trump requires Congress's explicit authorization to obtain that money. With no money, he lacks any legal, executive or constitutional authority to just order the war to continue even in the absence of both funds and congressional authorization.

>>65046838
"I use AI so it must be heckin true!!!"
Thirdie need to get their internet confiscated for the sake of their own good.

>>65046848
None of that is wrong though.

>>65046843
The Congress already allowed him to strike. They will do anything to make him not to interfere the domestic situation

>>65046634
>literally
And you are a reddit faggot who didn't actually refute anything I typed, but nice job.

>>65046640
Who do the Epstein files implicate, and who is covering them up?

>>65046857
>none of that is wrong
So whatever A.I say is now accurate despite all other official sources say that it just use tungsten but in a undisclosed amount?

>>65046698
Serious question, primarily directed at the peeps glancing at this thread, do thirdies actually believe this?

>>65046828
>Rebuilding just one JASSM takes a few hundred kilograms of tungsten alloy.
And what percentage of that alloy is tungsten?

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>>65046870
Magical thinking is a particularly popular thing with thirdies, they literally drag their balls through mud and broken glass knowing Steiner's Attack will be anytime soon

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>>65046698
>2029 AD of the 3 day operation

>>65046364
If the Shitkander is so good, why are ziggers whining about the CEP increasing to 1km?

>>65045509
Best bait I've seen in years

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I can see that the quality of the conversation hasn't much improved here. Almost no actual discussion about the future of the main battle tank because yukies have to pukie about the war.

The T-14 is not the right tool for the job in Ukraine, the only people who seem to be arguing that it is are the people who just want to laugh at Russians dying on FPV footage and pretend that's contributing to the war effort somehow.

Meanwhile the Chinese Type 100 took most of the innovations of the T-14, added a few extra, and actually put it into production because it's expects to be fighting in mountainous and urban terrain, potentially after a space war, where silent watch and silent creep are going to be very valuable things.

And then there's the M1E3, which seems to be on the same path. 3 man crew in the hull with an unmanned turret, diesel-electric power train, hydro-neumatic suspension. And by the time the M1E3 turns into the M1A3, the T-14 will be more than two decades old. The Russians will be thinking about a T-30-something T-40-something right now, they've actually slowed down a lot in terms of tank development but they're also learning the most from the war in Ukraine.

>Hurr durr T-14
If you even think this sentiment belong in analysis of the future of ground warfare then firstly you don't belong in the room when adults are having the conversation about it, and secondly the fact that you insist on being in the room while the conversation is being had means whatever side you're on is going to lose.

We're seeing that in southern lebanon right now, with Merk IVs and namurs basically rolling deathtraps for the crews because the Israliens are still derping about "cope cages". And it looks like we're about to see even worse on the south coast of Iran because the woefully unprepared for drone warfare USMC is actually going to attempt a contested beach landing in 2026.

Like seriously, just shut up and let the autists talk.

>>65045426
If it gets mogged by drones, it will also get mogged by Javelins

>>65047107
Sweetheart the range of a Javelin is like 4kms and needs line of sight.
The range of a Optical Fibre FPV drone is 30kms with the operator dug into a hole that you can't see standing in it.

The Javelin was designed for a war that didn't happen because the satellites got too damn good. We've got Ai analysis of every inch of the front line figuring out which buildings are occupied and by what, and that's happening in real time. You put a Javelin team in a building, they delete the building.

>>65045491
Depends. Russia's failures in Ukraine are predominantly due to poor leadership. Despite the constant bungles Gerasimov remains in charge because his strategy of trading men and materiel for miniscule territorial gains is politically convenient for Putin - he gets the Donbass "quickly" and his loyal dog Gerasimov does whatever Putin wants.
If there was a singular massive, catastrophic failure on the frontlines that threatened an imminent Russian loss then we might see leadership shakeups that actually improve the Russian army's performance.
But right now Russia is being boiled like a frog.

>>65047162
I don't even see how you can get to this conclusion. The losses are roughly par, but Russia can replace their losses, Ukraine can't.
It's a war of attrition, Ukraine mathematically cannot win a war of attrition against Russia, it's not a matter of if Ukraine taps out first, it's a matter of when.

And the fact that Ukraine keeps throwing troops into offensives proves that they will not be out-stupided by Russia.

>>65047185
annon if the ukies where being attrited at the same rate as the russians they wouldn't even have the man power left to carry out those counter attacks

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>>65046870
>Do [the same people who willingly send out their "brothers in arms" to clear minefields with their boots via infiltration """tactics"""] believe in [retarded idea]
Hmm.

Reminder that Soviet postwar doctrine emphasized and prioritized strategic mechanized movement to the utmost importance, and these niggers couldn't wage a maneuver war against a country that they shared a massive land border with, while also having the Soviet stockpile of tens of thousands of tanks, and tens of thousands of IFVs, APCs, and armored tractors.

If you ever find yourself thinking, "Can someone really be this retarded?" — the answer is yes. It is always yes.

>>65047194
They basically don't. Whenever the Russians see Ukraine attacking anywhere, they attack everywhere else because they know that the Ukrainians won't be able to reinforce those zones.

Russia went from being able to probe one section of the front in 2024, to being able to launch 2 or 3 in 2025, to now just attacking accross the entire front line. The Ukrainians have got a handful of effective units, everything else is just conscripts with no business being on a front line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoiP5Rfpmpw

The issue is the fucking satellites. You cannot move on a modern battlefield until you have destroyed or rendered inoperable everything that is going to fuck up your day if you do. You need to take out all the arty, all the drone crews, all the everything, before you even think about maneuver.

That's slowing Russia down, A LOT, but it's not winning the war, it's just losing slower.

>>65047222
so it all boils down to "don't trust your lying eyes, it's all part of Z-plan"
it's Easter so I'll refrain from kicking retards today, if you keep the tread up I'll come mock you tomorrow

>>65047254
>hurr durr hurr durr
The biggest weakness the Ukrainian side has had this entire is you and others like you. You see on the Russian side the milbloggers and stuff were IMMEDIATELY AND OVERWHELMINGLY critical of leadership. They actually made it illegal, but Ivan gives no fucks. If you want actual criticism of Russian tactics and strategy, go talk to Russians.

Meanwhile in the west if we point out the fundamental problems with the way the war is being run from our side, with a concious and mindful commitment to the facts as they are, not as we'd like them to be, we get absolutely fucking swarmed by
>durr durr durr retard two more weeks trust z plan why don't you go suck putins dick Ivan hurrrrrrrrrrrr
Do you not see how much damage that YOU PERSONALLY have done to your team by not allowing intelligent conversation to happen or for lessons to be actually learned.

The fact that we cannot criticize our own team when they fuck it up means they're just going to keep fucking it up.

UKRAINE IS GOING TO LOSE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SHUT YOUR DUMB FUCKING MOUTH

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>>65045426
If Ukraine would wreck them then so would NATO so seemingly this tank is just fucking useless.

>>65047270
Anon, Ukraine is not going to lose because of posts on a mongolian basket weaving forum no matter how positive or negative.

>>65047278
They've already lost because autistic milnerd spaces weren't allowed to do their thing in 2023 when NATO countries needed to massively expand production of 155mm artillery shells.
It's not like I was the only one who saw that, but because the ONLY ACCEPTABLE NARRATIVE AROUND YOU FUCKING RETARDS was herp derping about Russian scoring millions of 152mm shells from North Korea, it wasn't until mid 2024 that anyone in any NATO country even noticed that not a single new shell factory had been built two and half years into a war of attrition.

YOU DID THAT YOU DUMB CUNT.

If you had have just let autism speak everyone would have known there was a problem EARLY.

You, now, aren't losing the war in Ukraine, that's lost already, you're losing the war in Iran because we've made the exact same fucking mistake with missile stockpiles because YOU REFUSE
TO LET ANYONE
LEARN A FUCKING LESSON
YOU
DUMB
SHIT

Just shut up and go away.

This thread is supposed to be about the future of MBTs and we don't even get close to that fucking subject because you insist that only says the official fucking retarded propaganda.

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM ON OUR SIDE.

>>65047270
Mass is about to start so I'll keep this short
no one is preventing you from talking about anything here. if you are so sensitive that being called a retard makes you sperg out then I very much doubt you have anything meaningful to contribute.
I'm mocking you because you are going with trust Z-plan, but it's not Z-plan 1.0 or even 2.0 it's Z-plan 4.0.
if the 3 plans before have failed to win this war for russia why should we believe without any evidence that this is the plan that will win it for them?
that's why you are retarded, you don't understand how you need to build an argument.
but for some reason mister can't understand the logic of needing to back claims with evidence is the super duperest military annalist and calling him mean words is why Ukraine and the west will lose and russia is going to take Brussels I'm super duper serious you guys don't call me the r-word.

anyway He is risen, Christ is king

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>>65047304

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>>65045509
>Russia is handily winning the conflict though, it's not even close. Ukraine is going to lose the entire province of Donbass this year and possibly Kharkov and Sumy too

>>65047304
Literally contributed meanfull, got outshouted by you who can't even understand what I'm fucking saying.

WAR OF ATTRITION COMES DOWN TO MATH
THE MATH SAYS UKRAINE LOSES
THATS FUCKING IT

Accept it, or don't, Ukraine still fucking loses and you pretending that's not the case is not helpful, it's just getting in the way of me having a conversation with other autists about the future procurement needs of ground forces.

A conversation they are absolutely having on the Russian because they actually value intelligence and logic in Russia.

Now fuck off so I can talk about tanks.
>>65047058

>>65047325
>WAR OF ATTRITION COMES DOWN TO MATH
>THE MATH SAYS UKRAINE LOSES
>THATS FUCKING IT
So, uhh... why hasn't Ukraine lost then?

>>65047328
ASKED AND ANSWERED HERE >>65047222

Did you even know what the word "satellite" means? Because you clearly don't have the first fucking clue the role US Space force is playing in the Ukraine war.

>>65047325
if it's all down to math you can show us the numbers and do the math, right here, right now
put up or shut up

>>65047331
>Do lots of work for me so I can ignore it
Fuck off you retarded loser.

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>>65047333
so you can't and where lying the whole time, duly noted

>>65047333
You spent all this time spergging out but you don't want to make even a basic case, beyond gesturing at satellites?
Pretty disappointing for the war-deciding autism apparently being suppressed by people disagreeing with you.

I haven't seen this kind of completely genuine, unironic pro-Russian posting for quite some time. Seems the Armata is still a touchy subject for them.

>>65047325
>Ukraine still fucking loses
It's more accurate to say that both parties lose
Russian casualties and money wasted on the war exceed what is sustainable and the bombed-out fields of Ukraine are going to be unusable for decades

>>65047340
>>65047337
I MADE THE CASE HERE >>65047222
A POST YOU ARE STILL REFUSING TO ADDRESS.

Instead you troll the very easy to troll autist. So instead of a very interesting AND FUCKING VITAL discussion that needs to happen about what the US intends to do about Russian and Chinese space forces supporting Iran, we get an entire thread full of me all-capsing at you because you won't fuck off.

Autism is 0.17% of the population. And a fucking tiny fraction of that population counts geostrategy and military affairs as a special interest. You've infested literally every space we have to do our thing. And because we can't do our thing the things we figure out don't bleed out to the normies who in turn do not apply political pressure to their respective governments to be proactive on fixing issues before they turn into problems.

Instead we sit here in ignorance while you pretend you're not doing anything wrong.

And again, this is not happening in our enemies camps. This is a you thing because you learned all the wrong lessons from the 2016 memewar, igoring the fact that it was people like me who fucking won it.

I can't save this war, but go away and let me do my thing and maybe we don't lose the next five before someone kicks your teeth in for being a smart cunt.

>>65047345
Doesn't matter. Russia achieves it's objectives, Ukraine doesn't.
You may as well be trying to argue Britain lost WW1.

>>65047359
>Russia achieves it's objectives
the same objectives by which USSR won the winter war?
Russians want to capture all of ukraine, then baltics, and go as far as they can possibly do, because its quite literlaly the only purpose they have in life

>>65047356
brother I'm just as autistic as you are
I just understand that a clickbait channel does not an argument make
if it's super duper military analysis, it's not being posted on youtube with click bait
your ideas are worth shit without proper backing, you haven't won shit and frankly you aren't worth shit

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I've been told for 4 years straight that a Russian victory is just around the corner, and we're still here

Why should I believe it now

>>65047382
Because muh maps and arrows and Youtube links

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Guys, calm down a bit, i think the kremlin spambot is close to the breaking point.

>>65047359
>Britain lost WW1
Russia is not that far from WW1 UK-tier casualties with much worse demographics than wartime Britain, they're not really comparable

>>65047382
It will totally happen now because uuuhhhhhh... LOOK, IRAN WAR!!! XAXA THIS MAKES RYSSA STRONK AGAIN!

>>65047363
Annex Donbass
Restore water to crimea
Keep Ukraine out of EU/NATO
End azov neo-nazi movement.

That's what they wanted at the start, that's what they still want now, and they're going to get at least that.

The questions are:
1. do they also get Kharkiv and Odessa.
2. How much does it cost them

Because sooner Zalensky and his idiot brigade run out of bodies to throw at the line. And to be honest I'm pretty sure we're there and the offensive in Zhaporizia is a desperate last gasp (though I've said that before).

WW1 was fought for 4 years and won in 100 days. That's how wars of attrition end.

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>muh natzees

>>65047370
It's not clickbait channel and I don't believe you on the autism.
History Legends is autistic, I'm autistic, you're just a retard.

>>65047389
That's not even close to true.
The "reported Russian casualties" are not even sensible at this point. It's a random number.
Watch the history legends video. He does a proper deep dive to get a decent estimate.

The losses are close enough to 1:1 that the distinction doesn't matter, Russia has a larger population of desperate young men who are willing to risk their lives for more money than they could possible earn working whatever jobs might be available in their home towns.

>>65047391
>>65047382
>>65047386
>See the way we're going to win is by refusing at every stage to even consider the possibility that Russians might have functional brains.

>>65047387
>Everyone who points out flaws in western military doctrine is Russian
And that's why nobody does. And that's why our flaws are so easy to exploit by our enemies.

>>65047403
Well whether they were there or not before hand, they're definitely not there now.
Russian W.

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I admit, i haven't had this much fun with a shill for a long time. Easily the most pathetic yet amusing one since a year or so.

>>65045509
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8

>>65047417
At last, the mask slips

>>65047419
See >>65047415
While you're having fun, the USMC is planning an opposed beach landing in the Strait of Hormuz with Russian and Chinese spy satellites providing realtime targetting data to Russian trained Iranian drone operators.

That's not going to go very well.
And I'm pretty sure it's like me an a few dozen other civilians who have figured that out, and we can't tell anyone because you're "having fun".

4 fucking years into this fucking war and you are still posting the same dumb fucking memes.

>>65047412
>Claims to be a real numbers guy military autist
>Argument is just a Youtube video he saw
I'm not buying it.

>>65047425
>facts and logic are russian
Okay retard.

>>65047436
Yeah because you didn't watch the video.
It's like a 20 minute video essay, the work is already done, but you want me to compress it into 2,000 characters so you can meme about it.

No.

I'm correct about everything. You guys being retarded doesn't change that. It's just stops people from hearing the truth.
And then they go and make decisions based on lies.
And those decisions turn out poorly because they didn't have all the facts.
And then we all suffer.
And at no point do you take responsibility for that because you don't realize you ARE responsible for that.

>>65047435
>4 fucking years into this fucking war and you are still posting the same dumb fucking memes.
And you're still 'two more weeks' posting without a hint of irony.

>>65047445
>same old meme from 4 years ago
In two more weeks it might actually be funny.
I doubt it, but I'm certain you're going to try anyway.

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>>65047435
>me an a few dozen other civilians who have figured that out
We have an enlightenend one among us. Let us bow, fellow anons.

>>65047443
>nah man just watch the video yourself, I'm FAR too intelligent for this shit
Play in traffic

>>65047452
Okay man, in two weeks when glorious poccnr has taken Europe and defeated the evil anglosaxon nazis, I'll livestream my suicide and make a thread about it here.

>>65047455
Or you could just fuck off to sharty and shart about trump 2028 or whatever dumb fucking shit sharties shart about.

Like legitimately why are you here?
You don't want to discuss tanks. You don't want to actually discuss the war or weapons or anything. You're just here to make sure nobody else does.

What do you even get out of that?
Legitimate question, because if it's something dumb like "forty lulz" then you should really just fucking kill yourself.

Speaking of casualties, does anyone have that screencap of estimated zigger KIA via payouts. It's kinda old but I lost mine and I'd like to keep it for posterity's sake

>>65047469
>4 year old meme again
Just keep posting it, I'm sure everyone is super-impressed that you're still telling the exact same joke on repeat for 4 years.

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>>65047437
>facts
>logic

>>65047473
This video does.
It's also got the estimate Ukrainian KIAs from non-retarded sources which is why you won't watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoiP5Rfpmpw

>>65047481
P1: If there was a neo-nazi presence in Ukraine it was in Mariupol
P2: Russians occupy Mariupol and have arrested all suspected neo-nazis
C: There is not currently a neo-nazi presence in Ukraine

I know the American education system stops short of syllogisms, but there's a good example of one for you.

>>65047483
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoiP5Rfpmp
oh no you didn't nigger, where fuck you think you are?

>>65047490
Any proof of those so called claims?

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>>65047483
"non-retarded sources"

>>65047494
So what you're doing there anonette is called questioning a premise.
Which means you've accepted that the logic of the syllogism is sound.

Which premise are you questioning?

>>65047495
Most of those videos are pretty good.
He's pro-ukraine and pro-nato y'know.
He's just like me and would prefer the uncomfortable truth rather than the comforting lie.

Did you know that German civilians weren't told that Germany was retreating in the east until the Red Army crossed the vistula in early 1945?
4 months later the rape of Berlin began.

>65047412
>even consider the possibility that Russians might have functional brains
Well, my brown friend, your thread-long shill melty have already proven that there's nothing to even consider. No (You)s until we see a pic of Hand, Gun and Outlet attached to your post btw. Surely, a self-proclaimed red bluddy amerikanets would have no trouble doing that?

SLAVA UKRAINI

05.04.2026
Tanks — 11839 (+4)
Armored fighting vehicle — 24350 (+6)
Artillery systems — 39439 (+61)
MLRS — 1719 (+3)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1338
Planes — 435
Helicopters — 350
UAV — 219443 (+2427)
Cruise missiles — 4517
Ships (boats) — 33
Submarines — 2
Cars and cisterns — 87355 (+206)
Special equipment — 4112 (+3)
Military personnel — aprx. 1303550 people (+1180)

Happy Easter to all men of good will and may the Lord God keep safe the good Ukranian men and women defending their nation and give Ukraine it's deserved total victory and a lasting peace.

>>65045426
Obvious but incredibly funny bait

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>>65047514
So... No proofs then?

>>65047435
>That's not going to go very well.
Yeah for the Iranians
It's still a bit retarded on the US' part because they would have benefitted more from a proper ground invasion

>>65047514
Sure but it's 1917 anon but 1945

>>65047521
>see the way I approach war is to just assume my enemy is going to stand still while I hoon around in my multi-million dollar jet powered fighting vehicle listening to heavy metal at full volument and do a jump so I can shoot them in midair
I hate that we're on the same team. I really do.

>>65047526
Proofs of what nona? You have to tell me what premise you're questioning.

>>65047533
>I actually and unironically think this is a good idea
Oh wow. Yeah we deserve to lose.

>>65047534
It's 2026 nona.

>>65047396
>Annex Donbass
>Restore water to crimea
>Keep Ukraine out of EU/NATO
>End azov neo-nazi movement.
Out of all of that only the Donbass remained as a topic russians are allowed to discuss without being jailed for discreditation of their army, your metodichka is outdated by like 3 years

>>65047536
Proof of literally any of this >>65047490
Try and keep up

>>65047522
Sorry, you actually believe that Russia has 1.3 million KIA?
Wow. The media can just tell you anything can't they.

>>65047546
>The media
>The media that has at every point exclusively talked about how ukraine is gonna loose any day now

>>65047543
>discuss without being jailed for discreditation of their army,
Yeah except that law doesn't get enforced because Ivan gives no fucks.

And yeah, the wargoals haven't changed. Why would they?

>>65047545
Which part specifically?
Which claim do you doubt?
Do you think Mariupol is still in Ukrainian control?
Or that the russians didn't arrest suspected neo-nazis in the territories they occupy?

>>65047553
Oh wow I must have missed that.
I don't watch MSM, they only time they ever tell the truth is by accident, last I heard they were banging on about Russia's "human wave tactics" because they had footage of a 5 man assault team moving accross open ground.

>>65047555
>And yeah, the wargoals haven't changed. Why would they?
Because theres no such thing as a "goal" to russians, the goal, is whatever they got when this shitshow ends.

And again, russians have given up on all the bullshit besides the dumbass, they do not give a shit anymore, because they know they cant achive it, and therefore it was never a part of the plan

>>65047514
>Did you know that German civilians weren't told that Germany was retreating in the east until the Red Army crossed the vistula in early 1945?
>4 months later the rape of Berlin began.
It took more than a year from the start of the Baltic campaign to Berlin, that's 1,500 km. The distance between Donetsk and Kyiv is one third that and we are in year 5. I think the Russians will have moved another kilometre in the next 4 months

>>65047555
I know this is difficult for you, but there are a few necessary conditions required, try to think, I've even helped you anon, you can Google what a necessary condition is, I urge you to do so before you embarrass yourself further

>>65047562
Thankyou for telling me what the Russians believe person who has never met a single russian and doesn't even believe they're capable of thinking.
I definitely won't just go ask them.

>return to thread 12 hours later
>he's still going
I hope your handler pays you per character count, zister.

>>65047561
>Russia's "human wave tactics"
Can somone in the thread bring up all the links to the soviet troglodites lying in piles? not saving shit like that on my hard drive

>>65047572
I can only assume he's attempting to bury the topic, to get it off the catalog because it's so very damaging to puccia for this topic to be visible

>>65047564
The red army crossed the vistula in January 1945
Up until that point the german newspapers, all of which were controlled by the nazi party, had only spoken of German victories on the eastern front.
Berlin fell on the 8th of may 1945.

>>65047569
I don't even know what part of the post you're replying to nona. Maybe take your estrogen and go to bed?

>>65047580
>I give up, logic is too hard
Yeah we know

>>65047577
I'm literally the only one who's posted on topic in the last 4 hours >>65047058

>>65047571
Хyйлo eбливoe, вce pocиянцы - coвки, вce coвки - пaтoлoгичecкиe лжeцы и вopы, в дoбaвoк к тoмy чтo y них нa вceх oдин мoзг, и тoт бaльзoмиpoвaный.
Этo oтнoшeниe к ним aвтoмaтичecки пpихoдит кo вceм нe pocиянцaм кoтopыe yмeют гoвopить пo pyccки, вoзмoжнocть пoнимaть poccиян - пepвoпpичинa любoй "pycoфoбии"

>>65047580
Yeah but see, that's even more damning for the Russians now
They have taken 4 years to take one tenth of the territory at best

>>65047585
I'm sure all your other posts are super on topic, perhaps I should look at this thread before I make such an assumption though...

>>65045855
>Russia has gone from
Around 13629 tanks to less than 4000, mostly scrap and T62s they don't have manufacturing plants for renovating, not just that but Russia managed to 'borrow" some tanks and tank barrels from it's fiends like Belarus, India and Iran (and probably a few others) and loose them as well. The Russia T80 reserve is gone, MLRS reserve is gone, heavy mortar reserve is gone.

Russia will never again be as powerful as it was militarily in 2022. It has lost the war it started in Ukraine and transformed into a bankrupt neo stalinist shithole. UKraine is joining the EU an will be rebuilt while Russians stare with their face pressed up against the shop window of civilisation seething and reporting each other for the gulag with a belt of minefields and closed borders forever seperating them from civilisation in an an endless cycle of economic collapse and dicatorships by poisioners until they vanish up the anus of history with a wet farting noise..

>>65047585
Because what is there to discuss? Barely anything is known about the tank that wasnt talked about, theres no footage or any new info

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>>65047574
Unfortunately I only have some older UUURRAA-ACK pics

>>65047591
I don't speak runes.

>>65047592
>I don't know how wars of attrition work.
I'll tell you how they don't work. They don't work when one side get's super embarassed because some internet troll made the same joke for 4 years straight.

>>65047593
I'd just be happy if I actually got to talk about tanks with other tank autists. But unfortunaly you shitstains have chased them all away.

>>65047599
There are all of these point I made to discuss >>65047058

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>>65047600
I'm so very surprised to see this image posted itt, who could have predicted this

>>65047601
>Oh i bet you dont know anything about russian
>Actually im native and have to work with those abortion victims
>Not reading all that
Wonderful

>>65047601
>the same joke for 4 years straight
You're REALLY hung up on this for some reason

>>65047591
fair

>>65047600
>FOR PUTIN'S FIFTH MANSION!
>ZA RODINUUUU-ACK!

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>>65047514
>muh Berlin 45
Ah yes, the only success you guys made in the last 100 years. (with ample supply from the burgers, mind you).
I'm going to be nice and will NOT dig up the Crimean war, Afghanistan or Japanese torpedo boats at the dogger bank today. Or the great traffic jam at Kiew.

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>>65047615
Coz it's been 4 fucking years and you haven't got ANY new material.
Your whole thing was trying to win the war with memes, which is stupid enough, but you haven't even got good memes.

Seriously, haven't you shamed your ancestors enough? Just sui.

>>65047624
That was hardly the point retard.
And it's not like America has a lot of Ws since 1945 either.

>>65047601
>one side get's super embarassed
You should be since the advance in Donetsk has been less than 100 km in 4 years with an estimated 300k dead
If this keeps up by Kyiv Russian dead will number more than a million

>>65047601
I don't quite know that I can believe that statement, given your manic and hyperbolic shitposting all over the thread, that's called a contradiction, but if that's a bit too high brow for you, then perhaps I should put things in a format you claim to understand
P1: I possess a deep desire to just talk about tanks
P2: I have posted a great many times about things that aren't tanks
C: I don't actually possess a deep desire to discuss tanks at all

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>>65047628
sui urself
most recent stuff is just not kino enough to save

>>65047632
>not acknowledging Korea as victory for the west
Slanty chinkoid babyman exposed.

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>>65047641
Again, I am shocked, shocked I tell you, to see this kind of image posted itt

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>>65047574
Here's a fun, recent one, if you want actual 'mounds' of dead ziggers I can dig a few slightly older ones up

>>65047608
>he T-14 is not the right tool for the job in Ukraine
Why wouldnt it be, what makes it so fundamentally worse than the soviet stuff there specifically.
It is supposed to be better fit to protect the crew, thats the whole point of the unmanned turret

>>65047635
Cool, but it doesn't.
If the Russians even gave a fuck about you, and I assure you they do not, the best you'd be doing is goading them into proving you wrong.
Which is the exact opposite of what we actually want, which is for them to give up and surrender.

And so you don't change the math at all, a population of 40 million, about 25 million of whom are actually loyal to the state, mostly urban people, versus 175 million people who are more than happy to fight for their country assuming the pay is good enough, and it is.

Ukraine needs to achieve a K/D ratio of 7:1. They are actually achieving a K/D ratio of about 1:1.

Ukraine loses.

>>65047628
>haven't got ANY new material.
Its not like russians seem to be interested in making any new material, all they did was backpedal on their initial statements, which makes them only more funny

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>>65047574
This one's fairly recent

Ukraine won.

It really is that simple. Russians and their fanboys seething at Ukraine for not winning faster and disarming Russia to ensure lasting peace will always be very funny. The historical cycle in Russia now means coups, civil wats and gulags. There will be no ikea in the gulags, just male rape and cannabalism, as is tradition.

What Ukraine is being funded with by the EU is four times larger than Russias entire soverign wealth fund.

>>65047655
>assure you they do not
Again, you are eitehr an Indian, or UK or smth, because thats not how russians work
>for them to give up and surrender.
For 80 years they have been rised on the promise, that all their shitty lifes are worth it, because one day there will be a war where they will get to kill and loot as much as they want, being butthurt over some idiots online isnt gonna affect that one bit

>>65047655
Ukraine has already won, you are watching endgame.


05.04.2026
Tanks — 11839 (+4)
Armored fighting vehicle — 24350 (+6)
Artillery systems — 39439 (+61)
MLRS — 1719 (+3)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1338
Planes — 435
Helicopters — 350
UAV — 219443 (+2427)
Cruise missiles — 4517
Ships (boats) — 33
Submarines — 2
Cars and cisterns — 87355 (+206)
Special equipment — 4112 (+3)
Military personnel — aprx. 1303550 people (+1180)

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>>65047659
This one almost has smell-o-vision

>>65045799
Are horses, camels and golfcarts included in the Cars and cisterns?

>>65047668
>submarines: 2
Wait, what the fuck? I thought it was just one

>>65047646
>coping this hard
ngmi

>>65047650
To big, too expensive, to hard to produce.
It's a war of attrition on open ground, technological superiority in tank on tank engagements, which the T-14 definitely has over the yuke T-64, and probably over most of the nato tanks too, just doesn't achieve anything except to subtract from T-90 refurbishments.

It's the same reason the Americans chucked the sepv4 really. It was good on paper, and in theory if the war had have gone how everyone thought it was going to go in 2014 it would have been a really good tank. It will a great vehicle when they add it to War Thunder.

But IRL the design brief just does not make sense for the Russians in their current strategic context any more.

Like I said the T-30-something will be an interesting tank. That's the interesting question, because we know they've written off the T-14, and we also know they're going to need to replenish their tank stockpiles in the coming decades, so what are they actually thinking?

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>>65047649
Let me help you with that anon with some more zigger piles

>>65047675
There was another one like a couple years back i think

>>65047670
Nope. Although golf carts and lada mad max carts, maybe

After all why not send men to die in chinese golf buggies and keep your malfunctioning failed graft and corruption armata wunderwaffen to try an invasion of the EU for having ikea because the kremlin does does not feel it has lost hard enough yet.

>>65047655
And then what?
>boy it's a good thing we took Ukraine, now evil HATO can't launch missiles at Mosc-
Uh hello Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania are all NATO countries

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>>65047677
>which the T-14 definitely has over the yuke T-64
There has been absolutely nothing to indicate this at any point in time beyond the delusional fantasies of russian state media. The T-14 has been a nonfunctional pile of shit since the day the first prototype was made, and remained a nonfunctional pile of shit by the time it was canned.
>>65047679
More dead zigger storage

>>65047656
Who cares. It doesn't make your memes any less stale.

>>65047667
Is that post actually Ai generated?
Because it's fucking retarded.

Putins entire electoral platform since 2000 is
>The Americans are coming the Americans are coming, vote for me or the Americans will get you
America's behaviour over the war in Ukraine proved him absolutely 1000% right in the minds of Russians.

>>65047668
Uhuh.
I hope those clearly fictional numbers will keep you warm when the next city falls.

>>65047677
>To big, too expensive, to hard to produce
Its not really a question about the tank tho, its about russians not being able to afford it

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>>65047679
It honestly surprises me that more Russians aren't signing up for this level of excitement

>>65047682
NATO is not at war with Russia moron.
Ukraine is not a member of NATO.

>>65047689
You know like literally every piece of military hardware ever made has kinda sucked at the start right?
The M1 abrams didn't even have a stabilizer to begin with.

>>65047677
>T-90 refurbishments.
You mean parts kits made ftom rusty T72 Urals that are 50 years old with welded turrets and chinese night vision? Those mighty T90s?

It's great Russia is still the clown car of nations even when loosing a generational war against a much smaller neighbour, keep it up Russia, compulsive lying has got you this far, see if it can take you over the line to 1991 style collapse again. Bo EU food aid this time either.

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>>65047682
Got to meet some Estonian military officers in Washington DC last year. The level of hatred they had for the zigerian scourge was truly impressive. I aspire to that standard now.
>>65047689
moar

>>65047697
>M1 abrams
M1 was intended to be a cheap shitbox, just with a massive capability for improvements

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>>65047691
>those clearly fictional numbers
Post T80 reserve satellite photos
Post MLRS reserve satellite photos

>>65047697
>NATO is not at war with Russia moron.
>Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
You're contradicting the official story though
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/25/russia-nato-eu-ukraine-war-00581261

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>>65047701
Look at them fancy fellas with trucks n shit, bet they don't see many of them anymore

>>65047691
>Putins entire electoral platform since 2000 is
>The Americans are coming the Americans are coming, vote for me or the Americans will get you
Putin didnt invent that lmao.
Putin himself is the most stereotypical russian you can meet, atleast in his public image, and we talka bout the russians who, as i said, want an execuse to kill and loot as much as they want

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>>65047697
>NATO is not at war with Russia moron.
>Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
That's not what the russians keep saying, whether it's random jackoffs online, or their state-run media, or their actual leaders in the state duma

>>65047693
Not really, it's the same math at any budget.
If you can get 10 t-90U refurbs for the price of 1 t-14 then the t-14 has to be 10x as good as a t-90U refurb in the war you're actually fighting.
It's not.
Decision made.

It doesn't make the T-14 a bad tank, it certainly doesn't make it an uninteresting tank, it just makes it the wrong tank for Russia right now.

And the same math applies to the Abrams btw, which is why the US has stopped sending them. When all you need the tank to do is fire HE-frag into tree lines a few ks away, the abrams is a REALLY expensive way to do that. What is getting sent is everyone's old stock of Leo 1s because that's something they're really good at and they're cheap.

>>65047712
>Lavrov says
It only could be a more comical statement if it was done by Pyeskov

>>65047712
>>65047712
>You're contradicting the official story though
You get gulaged for that in Russia.

A leading German artist has accused Russia of “making a fool of itself” after a Moscow court sentenced him – in absentia – to eight and a half years in prison for satirical carnival floats making fun of president Vladimir Putin and his war on Ukraine.

For years Jacques Tilly’s outsized artworks have been eyecatchers at Rhineland pre-Lenten carnival parades. Tilly’s work has taken on an edge in recent years, with one year’s float showing Putin bathing in a bath of Ukrainian blood. Another work showed Putin and Russian orthodox Patriarch Kirill sharing an intimate moment.

On Thursday judge Konstantin Otshirov found Tilly guilty of offending religious feelings and spreading false information about the Russian armed forces.

As well as a prison sentence, the court ordered Tilly to pay a fine equivalent to about €2,000. He has also been banned from working in Russia for four years.

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>>65047717
This screenshot is old, but we do still get some fpv mega-multi-kills on transport trucks from time to time. Have seen a lot of semis with repurposed freight trailers too.

>>65047727
>Tilly guilty of offending religious feelings and spreading false information about the Russian armed forces.
Now that kids, is art
You get someone so fucking ass-blasted that they're seething this much is a genuine emotional response

>>65047712
>https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/25/russia-nato-eu-ukraine-war-00581261

"Russian foreign minister says Moscow is in a ‘real war’ with NATO, Europe"

Ah Lavrov, a major clown in the circus tent that is the kremlin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMIkWmlrXSw

>>65047700
Yep. They do they job. It's not a complicated job.

>>65047707
Yeah I know. And initially it hit the design brief perfectly.

>>65047712
>>65047722
>politico.com
The only time the US media tells the truth is by accident.
I'm telling the facts.

>>65047718
Who cares who invented it? What has that got to do with the price of fish in china?
That's what his strategy is, and it worked. The Russian people support him all the way because he was right, the Americans really were coming.

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>>65047733
Early in the war they did move them around with semi's and earth moving trailers which wasn't a bad solution when there's hundreds of them. Thick walls on the sides are pretty good... course, being open topped. Not so great!

>>65047740
>the Americans really were coming.
In a form of whom exactly?
Ukrainin president russians celebrated, and whos entire policy before the war was "Guys, we need to decrease our military spending to not threten russia"?

The truth of the matter is, Russians saw "their guys" in Ukraine and Zelensky, thats the main reason why they even decided to attack at all, thats the only times when russians are proactive like that