How deep does the chicom military cope go? This is bullshit, right? Doesn't the US have a bunch of tungsten here in Alaska?
>>65045356production != reserves
>>65045356Canada and Australia have everything China has and then some. The problem is with refining it. The Chinese were giving this stuff away, now they need it to stuff their gold ingots.
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>>65045356Drama.
>>65045356>a replacementDepleted Uranium
>>65045362>only problem is actually producing itYOU DONT SAY
oh my God freak the fuck out gook mczook says the American century of humiliation has arrived
>>65045375Not actually a viable replacement in all the various industrial uses. Direct use in munitions or armor plate is a very small minority of overall tungsten demand.
See the problem is that the west has all sorts of "anti-gouging" laws that prevent a natural free market fix to this sorta thing
>>65045396>e-engage with me
>>65045402And now with this humiliating loss in Iran and the death of America's fascist party a few months away, we will see the rise of a kinder, gentler, more naturally equitable multipolar world.
>>65045356Reserves does not mean economical extraction or production. Look at aluminum: giga tariffed and companies still go foreign because American suppliers are a just that much of an expensive, miserable pain to deal with compared to Jing Jing.
>look! the biggest producers of SUPER CRITICAL STUFF are chinks and pozzians! maybe you should bend over for them now, hmmmm???No, blow your brains out, bug.
>>65045413where do you intend to buy your rare metals from on that list
>>65045356Do we even use tungsten for anything besides small arms AP ammo and FMS tank shells for countries afraid of uranium? My understanding was that we use DU for basically everything other countries use tungsten for
>>65045395>Not actually a viable replacement in all the various industrial usesIt is, actually. Uranium carbide has very similar properties to tungsten carbide.
>>65045495Mostly for alloying into tool steels. They use a small percentage of tungsten, but there is a LOT of steel that gets used.
NGSW program in shambles
>>65045527That program was shambled when they decided it needed a suppressor and a short barrel instead of building a full length nigger blaster 9000
>>65045380>Now we will be forced to not rely on ChinaHow is this bad?
>>650454092/8
>>65045409>fascist partybaits used to be believable
>>65045772As Japan has discovered, you can't actually not rely on China.
>>65045550>Let's make this quick, Penty Pete is gonna make us go back to the M1 Garand soon
>>65046621seething chink fingers typed this
>>65046688Back in the real world, Japan is cannibalizing old washing machines for chips
>>65045362Be a real shame if the POTUS pissed off all allies.
>>65045772Theres a reason 0 production happens in euroland or AmericaAnd nothing will ever change since people WANT it to be this way
>>65046699Why would that have anything to do with China when they barely make any chips?
>>65045362Basically this. We have plenty of material, it's just cheaper to import from China.
>>65045772You know how you spent the last fifty years dismantling your industrial base, and more importantly, neglecting to build the human capital and expertise that make industry possible?
>>65045356For whatever reason thirdies think they are the only ones with REMs.
>>65045772It's more expensive.
>>65046845They basically are. We have the deposits, but not the mines. Nobody wants to invest in the infrastructure to actually extract the damn things because it takes like 10 years and doesn't make the line go up next quarter. And permitting a mine in the US is a total bitch. The government can fuck you over, private citizens can fuck you over, your own corporation fucks you over half the time when it decides to put the money somewhere else.>t. exploration geologist
>>65046901Project near me apparently has reserves that rival China.Mixed with gold, copper, silver, and everything from the platinum group. All in a nice sedimentary basin bigger than most eastern states.With the new REM extraction technology coming on line China might be sidelined.
>>65046913You have to refine them after you sieve the spicy dirt you just dug out of the ground. This is something the US is decades behind the state of the art at best, or capability that has to be developed from scratch at worst.
>>65046920The refining is the new tech. Apparently it can be done different with something like a 1000x cost savings. Supposed to be better for enviro as well.Once the Chinese talked about price increases we just looked for a better way to do things.
>>65046831that stops ore from being in the ground, how?the chinks got their edge in metals because they have few environmental laws so they could puke sludge out of their mines and pollution out of their smokestacks while we had to follow rules.if their toxic shit is off the table then we can expand our operations and actually produce on a level playing field.>>65046901right. and who buys off those politicians and funds those nimby activist groups who make doing shit here so expensive?
>>65046699>it was real in my mind
>>65045362Yea Canada has the worlds largest tungsten deposit (the Mactung), and of very high grade. It has pretty much everything though.Uranium:>Saskatchewan has both the first and second largest uranium mines on earth, and the worlds largest high grade despositTungsten:>Mentioned above, north west territories has worlds largest depositAluminum:>Saskatchewan alone has 30% of the worlds known Alumina deposits Helium:>10% of worlds know helium is in SaskacthewanPotash:>Saskatchewan has 45% of the entire worlds known depositsLithium: >Only 1.2 million tonnes of easy to get lithium, but 85 million tonnes in lithium brine. (Currently australia is #1 reserve at 7 million tonnes)fresh water:>20% of the worlds total fresh water is in CanadaAll rare earth elements:>Ontario and Saskacthewan have insane reserves of all 17 of them. Saskatchewan in particular is kind of like a cheat mode when it comes to near as makes no difference unlimited resources (Lets combine the mineral resources of 50 other countries, plus 25 billion barrels of oil and put it all in one province with 1.2 million people). It's just weirdly unbalanced, and untapped for the most part.Really the only thing holding back Canadas supply is environmental laws, which China doesn't care about so China floods the market at lower cost minerals while their rivers are filled with blind fish.
>>65045396>gue'laWhat are you a water caste or something, you dumb fuck? It's gweilo you idiot. When you're trolling pretending to be a chink at least have the decency to get the lingo right, although frankly being taunted by someone who plays tau in 40k is arguably worse in my eyes.
>>65045356That piece of tungsten looks like an ass.
>>65047054it's all for the greater good
>>65046901Can the US government not fund and set up it's own infrastructure? Like how most combloc governemnts did with their small arms manufacturing during the cold war?
>>65047190too many regulations
>>65047190>Can the US government not fund and set up it's own infrastructure?Given that it isn't doing so - apparently it can't
>>65045396the angry rage is the rebuttal
>>65045361Chinkshills aren't intelligent enough to comprehend western nations letting commies sell their reserves of strategic resources for cheap, while still having their (western) own reserves ready if they're ever needed. For tungsten in particular this is true to such an extent that I'm not sure we'll even see a temporary disruption in tungsten munitions production.
>>65047558dumb copethe current plan is to kickstart a second rare earth industry with minimum guaranteed prices so chinks can't sink it in... india and vietnamnot a word about local production. not a word about having the ability to spin it up on demand, locally (it's a bit more involved than just digging it out of the ground)real life isn't factorio where you just plop down a bunch of buildings in a month and get what you need. shit takes years.
>>65046901Nigger my (western) state has an entire program where old mines of all sizes are surveyed by the state government, reassessed for deposits/reserves, and then sold to interested parties (or, more commonly, laying untapped because they're not particularly valuable and are in the middle of nowhere). You can actually just buy an old mine from the state government if you're a random guy with a jackhammer, a truck, and an excavator. No idea what kind of permiting or paperwork is required here, but I learned a bit about it because I met a guy who did exactly that with two of his friends.Point is, in states with lots of past and present mining activity, we tend to know a hell of a lot about mines that are easy for any interested party to buy and tap.
>>65047575>not a word about local production.No shit because finite strategic resources shouldn't be tapped unless absolutely necessary, dumbass>real life isn't factorio where you just plop down a bunch of buildings in a month and get what you need. shit takes years.You can, in fact, invest a large amount of resources to quickly move men, materials, and temporary modular buildings and heavy tents to any given location to perform any given task. It's not going to happen overnight but if we needed to tap a rare earth element ASAP, we could have production online within weeks, given unlimited budget. And any scenario requiring an emergency tapping of limited nonrenewable rare resources is basically automatically going to be an unlimited budget scenario.>inb4 muh pricesNot relevant to discussions of national defense and war.>imb4 muh efficiencyNot relevant to discussions of national defense and war.>inb4 muh existing infrastructureActually already exists in a number of places; I don't know where you got this idea that we would have to start from scratch. Western nations (particularly the US, Canada, and especially Australia) have tons of proven reserves, many of which were mined until the chinese decided to screw over their future generations to make a quick buck.>inb4 muh refining and processingSame shit applies: with enough money, it can happen, though this would almost certainly be the actual chokepoint in such a scenario. Depends on the particular elements in question I guess
>>65046710Aussies are pissed that the foreign gas companies have been getting their LNG for basically free and wanna start taxing it.I assume that will apply to their mineral exports as well.Hard times ahead comrade.
>>65047880the submarine saga just keeps on givingcaveat emptor
>>65045550Don't forget concentrating the optic and electronics that the rifle and round rely on into a single failure point
>>65047029Is there some sort of centrifugal Earth rotation bullshit going that all the valuable resources are pushed up north?Does it mean there is a lot of valuable resources down South around Antarctica?
>>65047908no, the vast majority of landmass is in the northern emisphere, simple as.
>>65045361> ReservesHave you ever heard of Just-In-Time manufacturing?
>>65045356Wild. Buying literally all of the tungsten was one of the tricks the poms pulled on the krauts. Bottle necked a lot of their production, or forced them to use worse designs.
>>65045356proven reserves is nothing anon between this step and production even if you fast track literally every approval you still need 5 years to say the least for the factory and the mine
>be US >have massive mineral/fossil fuel deposits>don't use them>get thirdies to sell you theirs instead for literal paper you print>thirdies think they wonlol
>>65047190It can. The reason why it did not is because it wasn't economically viable due to the fact that China has cheap labor and practically zero environmental regulations that would undercut anything operating in a fair market.
>>65047029Sounds like Canada should be invaded and annexed right away, then.
>>65045356Only cunts with tungsten deposits/reserves can post in this thread.
>>65046901If we finished if the "native americans" they won't be able to hold us hostage anymore.T.mining engineer
>>65047029America just unearthed one of the or the largest lithium mine in the world, and is working on getting it up and running. 20-40 million metric tons of it. America has the sole supply of the world's ultra pure silica, China pretends to have something similar, but can only refine it to the point where ours comes out of the ground, at 10-40x the price. the problem was environmental. All of the "save the world" NIMBYists were fine with using Chinese minerals and some of them had influence with lawmakers, especially recently.
>>65047996this, they think we let China win, China was strip mining their own back yard to give us minerals at cost because they thought it hurt our industry.
>>65047944> Have you ever heard of Just-In-Time manufacturing?Yeah, its why Ukraine is losing to Russia
>>65045396>t.
>>65045515It isn't, actually. "Very similar" doesn't cut it in msot applications, even where true.
>>65048313Okay, I'll bite. In what properties does uranium carbide not measure up to tungsten carbide?
>>65046913>With the new REM extraction technology coming on line China might be sidelined.Now watch the chinks steal it and implement it first. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest by this point.
>>65048124Sounds like it's a good thing that Canada is allied to multiple nuclear powers and under their umbrella, then. Retard.
>>65048320>gets his amateur hour take called out>"muh proofs">asks for a whole-ass scientific dissertationWell, at least you tried instead of immediately coping, seething and projecting. 5/10.
>>65048328They won't do shit. If Trump decided to take Canada tomorrow there isn't diddle fuck all that anyone could do about it.
>>65048333I'm not asking for proofs or a dissertation. I'm asking for baseless claims of ways in which two materials differ.
>>65046953Yeah, China speedran the industrial revolution. No shit sherlock.
>>65048112No, it's corruption and rent seeking. America is just the most corrupt country in the world when it comes to any physical infrastructure. Read how much it costs Italy to bore a hole through a mountain, and compare that to NYC or Chicago transit costs to do way less. "Environmental regulations", which are more stringent in Europe, are just a cope to paper over corruption.
>>65047908>Is there some sort of centrifugal Earth rotation bullshit going that all the valuable resources are pushed up north?The ancient inland sea is what brought all the oil and gas to the dakotas and Saskatchewan (and all the dinosaur bones).America has similar resources to canada but they are all 10 miles underground. In canada the glacier withdrawl from previous ice ages scraped away miles of rock and tore shit up while churning everything up, like a super erosion event, so rich mineral deposits are found as shallow as just 50 feet underground. Ancient glaciers covered canada, unlike the US, which makes it a mining utopia.
>>65048112> cheap labor and practically zero environmental regulations that would undercut anything Solvable if there's a will.>subsidize local production>outsource to some african shithole instead of china>targeted import taxes based on the differential regulatory environment>diversify imports>move the polluting industries to some worthless desert region and locally relax regulations. something something special economic zone
>>65048696Because of glacier damage, a large percentage of Canada doesnt even have topsoil, so mineral exploration is sometimes as easy as "look down while walking".
