As most of you probably already know, the US made simple single shot pistols and planned to drop them to the french resistance back in WW2.I was thinking, how much would a modern equivalent cost, as a means to arm the Iranian anti regime protesters?The main reason the protests failed was because the regime had guns and the people didn't, so what if instead of dropping bombs, the US dropped crates with thousands of these guns?
Explosives would be far more effective to drop to resistance groups than small arms.
>>65049536$350
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>>65049536>How cheap can an effective firearm be?A VERY basic and cheap 9mm full-auto-only TEC-9 clone, only meant to last a few hundred rounds at the very most, could probably be made for less than $50 a piece if they were manufactured at a massive scale.At this point we're talking extensive use of plastics, die-cast zinc alloys, and components such as barrels made out of non-heat treated cheese-grades steel that'll go smooth bore after a few hundred rounds.The problem with air-dropping millions of these things into the middle of a hot-zone is that a significant portion of these guns will still be around and operational if/when the US decides to send ground troops in to occupy the area.And the guns don't care if they're held by pro-Americans or anti-Americans, they'll fire either way.That was the reason the vast majority of FP-45s were never actually delivered, instead they were dumped in the sea, because the US Gov were worried about the long term consequences of handing all the locals free guns, then sending in ground troops and trying to boss around a bunch of armed locals.
>>65049536Brown question
>>65049536Technically the hipoint pistols are reliable to a fault, but theyre also blocky, blowback in regular pistol cartridges and fugly
>>65049569>non-heat treated cheese-grades steel that'll go smooth bore after a few hundred roundsA full auto tec9 doesn't need rifling in the first place. You won't be making occasional precision shots like you could with a Thompson.
It is estimated that it costs 75-125 dollars to manufacture a Glock. Their margins are insane
>>65049536It would be of dubious value because it's hard to say if the public would actually use them in an armed revolt against the current Iranian government. In any case taking your question at face value.>What if liberator, but in 2026?It exists. The Altor pistol probably costs less to make adjusted for inflation than the original Liberator thanks to polymer injection molding. It is also slightly faster to reload and on the whole just as incredibly shitty.We can do better though. An open bolt straight blowback magazine fed SMG would be a far better resistance weapon for not that much more money. STEN is the go-to (which actually were air dropped for resistance fighters in Europe) but a cheaper/modernized MAC-11/9 clone would probably be more efficient. They'd be able to pack more per drop and be more easily concealed by a fighter. A few suppressors in the mix would be a good idea as well.>>65049547You'd do both. There would be aid packages with weapons, explosives, ammunition, tools, basic comms equipment, instructions and food/medical supplies.>>65049569>>65050109There's precedent for this too, the Borz SMG during the Chechen wars in the 1990s and various expedient open bolt SMGs made in Bosnia/Croatia during the breakup of Yugoslavia around the same time. Most were factory produced and did have rifling because it was a big help, but some of the most crude examples made as one off examples in sheds skipped it. If all your shots are going to keyhole you are going to have to get much closer to your target.
>>65049557I would argue a savage axis with a scope in an appropriate caliber for the region would be better especially if some cheap suppressors came with them but probably a mix of weapons would be best like a cheapo semiauto rifle, some cheap bolt actions with cheap scopes, and some cheap handguns.
>>65050190The way that OSS actually supplied resistance cells in Europe during WW2 was basically exactly what those guys needed.Aside from some serious and useful, yet mostly very conventional small arms, (and the maybe dubious but potentially still viable Hail Mary shit like the .22 caliber pen guns), they were most importantly provided with explosives and a variety of useful fuses for them.You'd do something similar today, only the weapons would be even better.
>>65050225Actually the explosives part is a good point and something we might see today would probably be some flavor of cheap break action type of grenade launcher.
>>65050248...so the slamfire fireworks launcher some anon showed off a couple of months ago?
>>65050258that's hideous and I want to say no because of that but realistically if it can blow shit up reliably whether direct firing or indirectly then yeah why not?
>>65049536>As most of you probably already know, the US made simple single shot pistols and planned to drop them to the french resistance back in WW2.They weren't meant to be dropped to the French resistance, they were meant to be dropped to the French populous. They weren't made cheap to save costs but to be borderline useless, on purpose. As >>65050143 said, the French resistance got Sten guns as well as other actual guns delivered, not trash single shots. The problem with dropping hundreds of thousands of guns to randos is that 95% will be confiscated and thus go on to serve the German Army (they would love to outsource their SMG production to the Allies) but since these are unrifled single shot junk, the Germans would have zero use for them, even the .45 ACP cartridge is useless to them. If they do anything with them, it would be to recycle them for metal and powder. The point of the operation is that even after attempting and failing to confiscate them all, now any French citizen could have a point blank fuck you in their pocket that they missed. It creates an atmosphere of fear among the occupiers and makes the populous more bold in resisting.As for how this would work in Iran. Well if you have contacts with actual resistance groups, you send them M4's and explosives, the US is not hurting for cash or rifles, cost saving here is retarded. If you want to pull a mass paradrop of junk guns, 3D printed is the way to go but truthfully, at this point the Iranian people probably hate us far more than their Government and as >>65049569 pointed out, anything we send on mass to randos will come back to bite us if we occupy them.
>>65050317I mean, yeah it looks dodgy as fuck, but it seems to work.
>>65050382For a given definition of "work", of course.
>>65050382>>65050396fascinating. sadly I'd be too scared to put even a chalk round through that let alone an explosive round with some actual weight behind it
>>65050258Ugly soab
>>65049536Someone already considered this question.If these were mass manufactured in similar volume and production facilities same as, lets say, washing machines, they could very well be sold at $40 a piece if not for all the regulations and import duties.Even less if you replace some of the sheet metal parts with injection molded plastic.
