This was made to the best ability of the sources I had access to but I'm including all kinds of Aircraft>shot-down>damaged>hit with missiles on the ground
>>65050180How many did the Persians have to begin with?
>>65050181Which kind, Civilian or Military?or Total?
>>65050180Can you list each of the 19 fixed wing aircraft?
>>65050187SureAgain this includes damaged and I didnt want the chart to be too messy>8 KC-135s (6 Damaged) >4 F-15s (3 lost to Friendly fire)>2 E-3 (1 Damaged)>2 A-10s (both shot down)>2 C-130s>1 F-35 (damaged)
>>65050181380 ish aircraft between both Air forces
>>65050198Both? Does the IRGC have their own?
>>65050206Yes. The IRGC is a whole parallel military that gets more funding than the normal military.
>>65050180Drones absolutely should not count for any factionImagine flexing that you shot down a fucking drone
>>65050206IRCG has around 20-50 aircraft on their own yes
>>65050209Why not? they're large sized aircraft that have to fly over enemy territory
>>65050210>>65050208So it's a more complete Waffen SS.
>>65050212Basically they're the real military? If that makes any senseThey get access to the Air defense missile systems, the mobile ones, and the missiles whereas the regular army really exists to kinda be a target
>>65050209Drones count stop
>>65050193>8 KC-135s (6 Damaged)5 got droned and two crashed into each other, what was the last one?
>>65050198You're telling me we only bounced ~15% of their Air Force?So where are they? An air fleet in being?
>>65050278BunkersJust deep underground Bunkers
>>65050275An Iranian missile and drone attack on Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia left multiple US aircraft destroyed or damaged, including at least one Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker,[101] one Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS destroyed[102] and one damaged.[103] At least 29 US servicemen were wounded during a week of attacks.[104]
>>65050180Are you including damage as losses? THat's the only way I can make this make sense. If so, you should relabel.
>>65050310Yeah but thats a separate chart being worked on
>>65050180>>65050209Sneeds should count, too. How many have been shot down?
>>65050211Because they are generally expected to be attritable. They are often used for missions where there is little to no outlook of recoverability.
>>65050180Problem with that graph is that we don't actually know Iranian losses whereas US losses are widely published. We only really know about naval losses.
>>65050180>17 Reaper lossesWhat's your source? Last I saw was US saying more than a dozen and turdie "news sites" have been periodically upping the number with no evidence for it.
>>65050212It's the SS if it was given total priority over the Heer and had more men and equipment to boot. Complete retardation if you're a traditional nation-state with concerns about expansion-defense, common sense if you're a third world shithole more concerned with coups than traditional warfare.
>>65050180I think it'd also be interesting if you showed what amount is shotdown vs lost on the ground. Maybe shading or hatchmarks?
>>65050368It's pretty much complete speculation. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just averaging the highest western source and the least delusional iranian source and calling it a day, since it's practically impossible to get an accurate read here unless the US military releases an itemized report.
>>65050368I don't think that's just Reaper, I think he's including LUCAS and other shit.
>>65050400lucas is not included
>>65050394Bit of A and B,Its just counting up Iranian videos, mixed in with official reports I mean theres 25 videos but still
>>65050368Most of my sources come from counting USA, Iranian, and Israeli videos
>>65050421So what is? Because I agree, 17 Reapers sounds too high.
>>6505044425 Reapers were lost over Yemen its not really unreasonable? If you are concerned I will point out there are a lot of Hermes and Wing Loongs being shot down as well That would be the most likely reason for any of these numbers being confusing
>>65050437Post them
>>65050437I do hope you're applying some discretion given the iranians' love of AI and ARMA
>>65050453>25 Reapers were lost over YemenOver the course of two and a half years.
>>65050454https://aviation-safety.net/asndb/type/Q9/2first 12 are here I can find the other 5 in a min
>>65050461Of course, Iranians are claiming 150 MALE drones shot down lol
>>65050464Yeah but you get what I mean?more MALE drones are being flown over a more intensive Air defense network in a shorter period of timeIts not crazy
>>65050282They should probably come out and prevent us from bombing the shit out of Iran.
>>65050474Yeah and isn't half the point of these things to absorb AA fire that would otherwise be targeting manned aircraft? Not to mention they're all 10-20 years old, so I doubt loss mitigation is a critical factor in mission planning at this point
>>65050492yes and no?its basically to replace a dead pilot but the Airforce isn't happy to lose an Airframe
>>65050474There is no air defense network, it's the same manpads that were shooting them down in Yemen.
>>65050499there IS an air defense network still operational However a lot of the Air defense is Mobile SAM trucks
>>65050198>>65050278>Fleet in beingIt should be emphasized that most of these are a legacy of Shah-era or Gulf-war Iraqi internees, functionally useless due to both obsolescence and lack of spare parts + funds.
>>65050209MALE drones cost as much as legacy 4th gen airframes, they count.
>>65050571Yeah the most recent airframes are around 10 Yaks and I think 2 MIl helicopters?
>>65050578Some iranian drones are cheap but yeah youre right
>>65050578Reaper costs $30m, F-16V costs $100m.
>>65050907F-16V is not legacy, that's a new build 4.5Europoor F-16s can be had for under $12m and Block 50s are valued at roughly ~$32m for FMS
>>65050454>>65050465Still waitingTell me you didn't just blindly take the word of the turds
>>65051102Reaper costs 16m, not 30. And its funny how you want to compare the price for a new one versus the price for a used F16.
>>65050907>>65051121Yes, I specified legacy 4th gen airframes. Still the same late-cold-war buildup as used by the majority of global air forces. I'm not the one trying to move goalposts here.
>>65050278The ones that can fly probably fled abroad
>>65051134I'm not the person you were talking to. I just think its fucked you want to compare apples to oranges while claiming an equivalency between recon drones and manned aircraft.Also, still waiting on >>650511135 hours must surely qualify as "a min"
>>65050180>19 fixed-wing>the past two days have been all about the spam of one singular aircraftAs usual, just like when Hamas claims "200 Merkavas destroyed" but only produces two 144p videos shot at 500m, the thirdies love to lie. Two more weeks until Israel gives up, we promise :)
>>65051162Because it's not apples to oranges, a large recon drone has the same nominal airframe value (typically 30m+/-15 for the anons who fail to understand I was not seeking to compare specific models and capability) as the fighter jets in common use.
