For literally fucking YEARS I've been saying, soldiers should be issued a 5 meter collapsible steel poles to ward off drones. These poles would have a fishing net on the end, and be able to catch the drone and obscure its vision. Certainly not an effective weapon, but a weapon-of-last-resort that could save lives.I thought of the idea when I saw an APC with 20 men sitting on it get ambushed by an anti-personnel drone. I thought, if every man sitting on that APC had a long pole with a net on the end, that drone couldn't have even come close.Additionally, what makes drones so strong is that they can see everything from above. But these poles and nets, could be deployed like "tents". With thousands of soldiers, you effectively establish massive fields of tents where people can hide and the drones cannot see them. This creates a very uncertain battlefield for the drones and greatly improves survival odds. These tents could be used as decoys too, in the case of a pursuit.In the case of thermal vision, the poles could even have batteries in the rod, which click, and run a current and thermally obscures the drone's vision. And after literally years of making this rather-obvious suggestion, some soldiers on the battlefield are finally taking my advice. Webm related. Except their version is super shitty and ramshackle. The generals and the leaders are still totally out to lunch.
>>65050220You didn’t say shit
>>65050228https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/498308627/#498321886
>>65050220>hold on, drone >let me extend my 5 meter pole
>>65050253It's better than the soldiers committing suicide the moment they hear the drone, right?Men used to be given bayonets, just so they'd have some hope despite probably being dead when they ran out of bullets.
>>65050245that's one year
You're going to see the reemergence of AAA for C-UAS. Trying to give the infantry weapons to deal with them is like having your only air defense against red air being a couple dudes per platoon with a manpad. >Drones used to detect hostile drones that can also send data for kamikaze drones and cheap rockets to attack>battalion level autocannon and laser platforms maneuvering with line companies>AFV's having autocannons specifically made to counter drones with IR and or short range radar mounted on the vehicles>Deployable rocket pods that can launch rockets with data sent from friendly spotter drones to destroy enemy drones for dismounted troopsThe drone threat isn't going away, but the goal is to remove the transparent battlespace and have an effective means to thwart drones enough to bring back massing of troops for attacking. Something western militaries are not going to do until they lose thousands of soldiers to drones themselves because that is typically what it takes to force change.
can't speak for the people who hear that shit every day but i'd say you might have around 5 seconds of reaction time to a drone
>>65050297Just need an app that will detect the sound of the rotors and alert everyone.
>>65050220>muh drones Destroy the enemies ability to launch them in large numbers. Anything else is cope. >emit and die
What's the kill/wound radius of the explosive that drone would be carrying?
>single enemy drone approaching from an easy angleI'm actually worried for US troops deploying anywhere, there's no real plan to counter UAS coming from the top, just soak the casualties and hope for the best.https://files.catbox.moe/vy2is7.webm>>65050321>emit and diefiber optic drones, repeaters, underground bunkers
>>65050323This has been brought up numerous times. I said, it's a bit of a jousting match, like a bull chasing a cape. You can catch the drone in the net, then push it away and dive to the ground. You're not perfectly safe but you at least have a chance. The drones would have to become heavier and carry a lot more explosives, and therefore have shorter ranges. They would be constantly frustrated in their efforts. Like take those overhead-bombing drones. If the men were all covered in tents. the drone doesn't have clear sight of the men. It might try to bomb a tent, realize there's nobody there, and try another tent. Even if it bombed a tent, it wouldn't have kill-confirm. It would have to swoop in close to figure out if it actually killed someone. It makes the drone's life way more difficult. More wasted time, wasted ammunition, more vulnerability.
>>65050341>fiber optic drones, repeaters, underground bunkersYes, I suppose these units can just operate without any communication and with total autonomy. Imbecile.
>>65050321Nearly all of the Russian drones being used right now are fiber optic specifically because of the heavy EW use in Ukraine.
>>65050346What is a radio telephone for 500 Alex.
>>65050341>there's no real plan to counter UAS coming from the top,Drones are only a problem if you have a lethality problem. If your enemy is operating in such a way that they have the ability to launch drones at will, and to a degree that you're sustaining significant casualties, you've got more serious problems than drones.
>>65050351>radio telephoneEMIT AND DIE
Drones have changed the face of modern wafare, the current TTPs written in the Field Manuals simply do not work, this has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.https://files.catbox.moe/0x7lrz.mp4
>>65050354>Observer spots enemies while sitting in a bush and calls it in over a field phone>Drone teams launch fiber optic drones to the area >Attacked forces have zero emissions or other means to identify where the enemy is while being attacked>a lethality problemNo.
>>65050357>because some drunken slavs are having a knife fight in the gutter
>>65050367That was a NATO unit going up against a Ukrainian team.
>>65050356Brother, it's a wire. There is no emission. Even if you did emit you can still shoot and scoot, use repeaters, and at this point you could probably just post something on twitter and that would work. Do you really think the Russians and Ukrainians have just been stupid this whole time and never thought about trying anything else? This is why drones are so lethal. They're cheap, they're hard to defend against, and they're hard to detect. To the point where the main means of detecting drones is when they're flying above you and dive bombing you.
>reenacting the meme without a hint of irony
>>65050363>>65050375Its becoming increasingly obvious that you dont understand how military organizations work. You're also fixating on the launch of the drone as though thats the only way to find the team. >>65050357>not pictured: CAS raping OPFOR into the dirt before they can launch a single drone
Take this quote and replace batle in the air with drones, if you don't win the drone battle, you are fucked.
>>65050376Give one example of a military that has created an effective means of countering drones.
>>65050386You seen whats happening to Iran right now?
>>65050384>A guy sitting in an LP/OP position is evidence of not knowing how military organizations workGo to bed. You have school in the morning.
>>65050389I see Iran continuing to lock down the strait, continuing to shoot down aircraft and continuing to strike military bases whilst being attacked by the most powerful military force on the planet. What's your point?
>>65050392>guys just spawn in LP's Is this an autism thing? Like, this whole inability to think beyond the narrow confines of the hypo?
>>65050398Okay, now I know you're just being stupid and retarded.
>>65050397>navy dead>airforce dead >senior leadership dead >US just built an airport 200km outside of Iran's most sensitive military city >thousands of drones launched >less than 20 KIA for the US Ukraine/Russia has broken your mind.
>>65050403So they dont just materialize there. They have to get there. They have to get orders to get there. They are part of a unit. That unit needs supplies. It needs to move around. It needs to co-ordinate. Emit. Emit. Emit. Emit. High-priority target emits, you kill it. If you cant kill high-priority targets, you have a lethality problem.
>>65050412>messengers, field phones and repeaters apparently don't exist anymoreIncredible.
>>65050412That kind of lethality you are claiming does not exist, otherwise, Iran wouldn't launching the exact same amounts of missiles and drones since day 4.
>>65050417>ha! I will merely revert to 1930's technology! Cool. My OODA loop now operates faster than yours. Now I'm winning. Have fun rolling cable.
>>65050422>Iran wouldn't launching the exact same amounts of missiles and drones since day 4.The enemies ability to fight back will never be zero. But you can degrade it to the point where it doesn't fucking matter.
>>65050386
>>65050405>navy deadThe main threat has always been drones and fast attack boats, never their handful of large surface ships.>airforce deaddrones and missiles>senior leadership deadThe Iranians have compartmentalized their entire civilian and military organization for exactly this kind of war which has allowed it to survive to the present day. You might as well be gloating about Venezuela despite Maduro's regime still being in full control of the country and nothing changing. Propaganda's a bitch, ain't it?>US just built and airport The US just built a runway because every single country doesn't want to host US military forces combined with current bases being surrounded by Shia militias that can launch drones with impunity at said bases. >thousands of drones launchedyeah.>less than 20 KIAThe US hasn't launched any major offensive and have already taken 20 KIA just from being attacked in what are supposed to be safe areas, combined with the fact that the US is going to run out of interceptor missiles within 1 month and have lost highly expensive, advanced airframes to Iranian ghetto missiles should point more to how bad things are going over anything else.
>>65050439Oh look, an unironic Iran-enjoyer.
>>65050434Cool, now look at how many they're launching in total at all of their targets and not just the U.A.E.
>>65050439>nooo it doesnt count that you have totally degraded their conventional forces and are operating at will. If you did a ground invasion it would be totally different! Nope. It would be the same. Harassing fire from drones and that would be about it. You cant launch drone swarms if your unit is fucking dead.
>>65050446That's the reply? I tell you how retarded your pure propaganda bs is and your reply is "you must be an Iran enjoyer?" Do you unironically get your news from Trump's twitter posts?
>>65050452All graphs are the same. Massively degraded.
>>65050220Ok, so that's one drone, what about the other three on your ass? One is dive bombing you with the information of the first one you downed, the other one of high above giving telemetry and the last one is buzzing in behind you.
>>65050460>your pure propaganda Total projection.
>>65050456>the conversation is unironically this stupidI don't even care anymore.
>>65050473>nooo muh hekkin fantasy wont play out thats stupid
>>65050220Why cant the pilot just fly high above then drop down
>>65050478it's against the rules of war
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>>65050466How do the drones get past 6 people holding rods with nets? seems pretty difficult.
i'm curious as to how the war would hold up with an entire chinese economy's worth of nets just surrounding everything like a spider's lair
