Thread discussing realistic concepts pertaining to the equipment, gear and weapon systems future infantry could be equipped with. I'll start:>Fuel cell or microturbine concept from objective force warrior to give 4-6 days of power to all of the soldiers systems>Full CBRN protection with climate control and health monitoring with fibers capable of absorbing and removing sweat away for long term wear>Nearly full body protection to lvl IIIa with additonal lvl IV plates worn as an option>Helmet with heads up display that integrate augmented reality that can map graphic control markers in realtime onto the battlespace >Microwave emitting shinguard concept from the 2000 soldier concept that can detect mines up to 5-10 meters in front of the soldier>Climate control doubles as active IR masking>Camo oversuit that doubles as 1st line gear>2nd line gear being an LBE for standard rifleman loadout>Cased telescoped 4-5mm high velocity ammunition with magazine capacities higher than 30 and overall fighting loads higher than 210rnds total without weighing more than typical 5.56 fighting loads>Designated drone/systems operator as an MOS>Weight goals being 50ish pounds total for 12hrs with lvl IV armor, 24hrs+ without lvl IV armorNow (You)
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I think youre going to see mass-issued leaf suits. I find people get too caught up in the comparison to ghillie suits, but they aren't trying to be ghillie suits; there's no pretence of it being tailored cultivated camo to vanish into the undergrowth; its just scrim for your whole body and that's frankly more important than a bag full of sweaty jute and grass.>Designated drone/systems operator as an MOSFor bigger systems sure, but I think its going to become a skill all MOS get, just something covered at AIT. A soldier not carrying a drone regardless of role is going to be like not carrying frags, why the fuck aren't you doing that?
>>65050404The current moment in regards to drone warfare is a weird time since there hasn't been any major anti-drone develop in terms of technology and doctrine change. I'm assuming in 5-10 years you'll start to see dedicated C-UAS units just like how you used to see dedicated air defense units from battalion all the way up to corps level. Which would make drones far less capable than how they are now. Still capable in the hypothetical, but no longer in the "strike whoever you want whenever you want" meta that currently exists now.
>>65050414I could believe in dedicated anti-drone teams in an infantry company, maybe as a component of weapons platoons. Like our current tripod-mounted lasers are almost man portable, so spreading that among 3-4 guys is plausible and they just set up their gear alongside the M2s and mk19s. I suppose the platonic ideal is the same capability given to every soldier like as a little lamp post coming out of his ruck that shoots down FPVs automatically, but the power requirements and weight would be sci-fi shit.
>>65050470I'm feeling drones tasked in a pure anti-drone role mixed with modern AAA assets in the form of autocannons with airbursting munitions and lasers acting like SPAAG's are probably the way forward. There could be limited portable C-UAS weapons for dismounted platoons and companies as well.
>>65050350>make yourself appear larger to intimidate the thermals
>>65050338retards are going to copy whatever the military is doingthe military is going to issue whatever is cheapesthistorically armor improvements were funded by rich people and levies were given a helmet and a spearwe dont have full body armor because the army doesnt care and civilians cope by saying they want to be lightweight.there are some weight restriction because you must carry supplies with you unlike medieval armies were cargo wagons carried all the supplies i think there will be a return to offload supplies to a vehicle and make the infantryman carry heavier weapons and armor.tactically we are seeing a return to decisive battle over continuous battle in order to mitigate back line harassment by drones which would compliment the previous point
>>65050669>80 lbs~40 lbs. I'm not even going to bother to read anything you just said because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
>>65050683my chainmail alone weights 30lb your retard larper
>>65050690you still don't know what you're talking about
>>65050669>we dont have full body armor because the army doesnt careSure we do, simply nobody wants to wear that shit. The IOTV suite came with full thigh and arm protection, nobody wore it because it sucks to wear. More recently, the ballistic shirt has been in wide issue for half a decade and nobody wears it because its like wearing a trash bag. You can issue your full modern knight armor, but at the end of the day people are only going to wear the parts they feel matter and ditch the rest, hence why both in GWOT and Ukraine you see far more groin panels and throat protectors than you do deltoid or thigh panels.
>>65050708cope and sneedhere is my mail hauberk with my dane axe
>>65050729>Sure we do, simply nobody wants to wear that shitrefer to the image of the femboy
>>65050733you don't know what you're talking about and the fact that you think this is a gotcha proves it. Dunning-Kruger effect in full force.
>>650507411/3rd of bodyweight has been the standard since the dawn of civilization.
>>65050791This is correct. You can run more for short durations but fatigue is a killer.
>>65050338>Fuel cell or microturbineprobably a more boring solid state battery>Full CBRN protection with climate control and health monitoring too complicated and won't be of use in most cases>Nearly full body protection to lvl IIIa with additonal lvl IV plates worn as an optionfine, maybe>Helmet with heads up display that integrate augmented realityrichest armies first, and will probably be used more for navigation than anything else>Microwave emitting shinguard concepttoo much and not useful enough in real life scenarios. Emissions nightmare. >Climate control doubles as active IR maskingmaybe but the effect won't be as dramatic as you think>future gunit will probably an AR18 derivative with quad stack 5x25ish very high aerodynamics round with a lightweight case>Designated drone/systems operator as an MOSyes
>>65050729Even historically most foot soldiers abandoned leg armor. They really need to do torso and thigh armor with thin light plates for limbs to stop fragmentation.
>>65050338Here you go bro
>>65050908This is true. Whenever you see late medieval/renaissance/early-modern infantry in plate armor, they aren't wearing leg plates. (And they're almost always in open helmets as closed helmets can make it hard to breathe while engaged in strenuous activity.) Faulds+tassets at most. Full harness was for cavalry.
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>>65050470Ever since the Ukraine war I've said that we should see platoon C-UAS weapons the same way we see MANPADs and ATGMs
>>65051312>>65051318while I agree with leg armor being the easiest to give upthere's also the element that in melee fighting most of the blows are directed to the upper body. because that's where the attack originates from and so where you have the longer reachgoing for a leg would mean getting closer and thus exposing yourselfif on the other hand you are in the press of things and don't have to room to think about spacing. there is a decent chance that you can't take a poke or swing at legs because there are other bodies and weapons in the waythen there's the marching and how wearing leg armor while doing so sucks and in general how weight on your legs makes you more tired.that's something that would come into play today or in the (near) future.that being said modern medicine makes taking a hit to the limbs the least shit places to get hit.provided you can put on a tourniquet in time and can get evacuated before you get shit like sepsis you will live.if you where to lose a limb you'd probably want to lose a leg because you won't lose a hand. so a prosthetic will do just fine in keeping you mobile in your day to day life.
>>65051309Actually a good idea. Recharging from solar panel equipped ev vehicle at designated infils.
>>65051312>born too late to go to war dripped the fuck out in sick outfits >born just in time to go to war in a variation of multicam that looks exactly like the variation of multicam the other guys are using
3D PRINTED HABBunkers and control stations built quickly and reinforced by steel beams.Concrete pumped in by expedient concrete pipe lines to vehicles that can print bunkers within a few days to create super logistics outposts and defence structures that make hasco bag outposts look like child's play and can take rocket strikes without being penetrated. Once one bit of ground is taken an emplacemet harder to penetrate than an air craft carrier pops up there creating a network of highly defendable cancer in an enemy country.
>>65052090It would be like starcraft kinda
>>65050338>Full face helmet with integrated ear pro and coms >.338 LM in bullpup configuration>Level IV platesThe End.>Y-youre retarded!No you.>.338 LM is uncontrollable!Only if you’re a little bitch. Maybe don’t be a little bitch. Faggot.>M-muh 5.56Little bitch meme round that can’t penetrate level 4, has a laughably short effective range, and has only lasted as long as it has because it’s been almost exclusively used against goat herders, rice farmers, and narcotards with AKs and pajamas and shilled exclusively by faggots.>M-muh capacity!If you don’t have to shoot the enemy 3-4 times to drop them you don’t need as many bullets faggot>M-muh over penetration!Sounds like a problem for whoever is standing behind the enemy. Life experience tells me that is usually other enemies and caring about collateral is for faggots.>M-muh loadout!Don’t need a 9 banger when you can just stick the muzzle through the breach and pop off a few to disable the enemy you dumb faggot.>M-muh weight!I refer you to the top where I told you to quit being a little bitch you dumb faggot.>M-muh length and CQB!In a bullpup design it’s shorter than an M16 you disingenuous faggot>N-nobody even uses Level IV!So? One day they will. Until then cover is concealment and one soldier is able to completely disable a motor convoy. Stop fighting yesterdays wars faggot.
>>65052178this poster has never had to carry a rifle farther than one hundred meters
>>65051312English knights prefer to fight on foot and they had full around plate protection (specifically rear thighs plates horsemen didn't have) and closed helmets.But important notice knights had no marching and camping craft strain. They rode horse to get around and camp craft was done by their henchmen, knights only fought. They extra logistic support to use full plate
>>65052190>M-muh weightAddressed it by telling you to QUIT BEING A LITTLE BITCH FAGGOT
>>65052178>>65052199Pete its 1pm on a Monday
>>65052199It doesn't matter how hard you yell about it, or if you put your soldiers on giga roids or whatever, for that matter. More weight equals more fatigue, simple as that, and you can take the case up with the laws of physics if you don't like it. It would be sick if every soldier carried a 20mm into combat and could shred enemies like paper, but they would also move at a crawl, struggle to get up or down slopes, and carry like two mags tops.
>>65052198> English knights prefer to fight on foot and they had full around plate protection (specifically rear thighs plates horsemen didn't have) and closed helmets.Yeah, but that was largely for tournaments. "Sports armor." Henry VIII's famous armor set was like this:> https://royalarmouries.org/objects-and-stories/stories/henry-viiis-foot-combat-armourThe average infantryman wasn't wearing much, if any, armor on his legs.
>>65050338Unironically treating the battlefield like a RTS where every soldier and vehicle are being tracked and ordered in real time.
>>65052397>by AIPathfinding like it's the 90s.
>>65052257Physics are fake and gay and I reject your satanic sissy homo caliber
>>65050338Hopefully with the development of sodium ion batteries they can make rugged batteries that could withstand the rigors of being a soldier in the field. All this coupled with a powered, exoskeleton system that serves more to handle weight and be an anchor point for systems the soldier will use and rely on rather than the fantasy notion of allowing a single dood to flip a car by himself.All this while being something that can be worn on or under regular uniforms and be modular to fit the mission/soldier's needs.
>>65050758>another no guns posting no guns or armor>>65050791where is your 70lb armor?
>>65053181batteries are a copeyou can put a leafblower on your back and it will give enough wattage to carry you up a mountain by itself.the holdback on armor is the sensing of movement
>>65053558you still don't know what you're talking about
>>65053574you still dont own guns
>>65053585I do, but this conversation isn't about guns, it's about you being a retard. and the fact that you have to fall back to gun ownership proves I'm winning.
>>65053594you cant post guns because you dont have guns
>>65053599it's funny that you show up now. and you haven't posted gun either.
>>65053607its almost 11pm on the east coasthere is my ar15 with super safetynow post your gunsoh wait, you cant, because you dont got any, hahahahahah
>>65053615>no date>no timestamp>over one year old picturenot yourshttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63084868/#q63087514
>>65053620what is going to be the next cope?
>>65050338Idk man but for some reason cool looking armor is better.>Knight in full plate is awesome>That groin guard from during the surge time is not awesomeIf they want future armor to work they should make sure the prototypes look cool.
>>65053633that you don't know what you're talking about
>>65050338Immediate Future:>anti-drone integration on the squad to platoon level (jammers, shotgunners)>drone integration too, funny enough (think smaller-than-backpack size)>thermals/NVGs and suppressors issued to 11B buttheads more regularly>implementation of "smart optics"Far Future (15+ Years)>maturation of smart optics>better batteries>electronics hardening (physical)>at least partial AI integration to imaging and sensors>dipping the proverbial toe into partial exo suits (limited use)>continued research into a new standard cartridge (probably hybrid case)and you'll still be expected to lug 100+ lbs. up a mountain for McWage money, lol. no refunds
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